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/out foreverIn post 37, xofelf wrote:Yeaaaah, I dropped 300 points. I might be less happy with that than before. I guess I have to come out of retirement to fix this. Ugh.green shirt thursdays-
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is this true? I thought elo basically took everything into affect equallyIn post 46, BROseidon wrote:It heavily biases towards recent performance.green shirt thursdays-
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Yeah I think "as long as I get to FTC I will be happy!" or "as long as I make jury I will be happy!" are pretty toxic views on the game tbh and that has a lot to do with elo
perhaps if there was a way to scale elo to match the Survivor payouts?
Winner: $1,000,000
Runner-up, $100,000
$85,000
$70,000
$55,000
$45,000
$35,000
$27,500
$20,000
$15,000
$10,000
$7,500
$5,500
$4,500
$3,500
$2,500
that's what i found on a quick googling... so like, do that, but scale it based on # of players and keep track of "winnings" instead of elo?green shirt thursdays-
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i mean i think it's cumulative
and i think that gives people a reason to go for the "big win" to boost their rankings
perhaps we could curtail it to more recent games and exclude older ones in order to eliminate the games from before anon survivor became like a "legit" thing
or yeah average winnings could work too
no reason we couldn't keep both statistics handy.
i think both avg winnings and cumulative winnings gives people more reason to play for a win than elo which gives a minor difference between winning and coming in 3rdgreen shirt thursdays-
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yeah this only works for 16 player games thoughIn post 88, zoraster wrote:FWIW proportionally the awards are:
1 67.29%
2 6.73%
3 5.72%
4 4.71%
5 3.70%
6 3.03%
7 2.36%
8 1.85%
9 1.35%
10 1.01%
11 0.67%
12 0.50%
13 0.37%
14 0.30%
15 0.24%
16 0.17%
so it's more like: the top three payouts are locked in
then you have a certain % of the pool for jury and a certain % of the pool for prejurygreen shirt thursdays-
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idk like the whole thing is that "getting to FTC" should only be like half your game
the other half should come from WINNING a FTC
so like yes, the F3 should be rewarded higher for getting there than the next closest rankings
but the winner should smother the other two
i like survivor's proportions and im bad at math but if we could take the poker method but just apply it to non-FTC participants and keep the FTC pool the same as it is i think that'd be the bestgreen shirt thursdays-
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In post 100, zoraster wrote:I think that a 10:1 ratio of first to second is totally inappropriate for a rolling determination of supposed skill. Like if you just want a fun "I wonder what our winnings would be if we used survivor" then sure. Keep it the same or very, very similar. But as a replacement or alternative measure to the elo system I think it'll be sorely lacking.
yeah thisIn post 101, hiplop wrote:in survivor often second place is a bad player
second place (or third place) is often someone who was bad at the game and therefore got dragged there by someone else for the free wingreen shirt thursdays-
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in this $$$ system, top 5 of all time is:
snakes
betch
reck
cc
jal
in the elo system, top 5 of all time is:
snakes
SiW
STD
BPC
Reck
i kind of feel like the first system is maybe more indicative of survivor history than the latter system?
and given the closeness of most of the $ amounts, one win is enough to catapult someone into the upper echelon, which is what i think is importantgreen shirt thursdays-
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meh money does something win % doesnt because like
ive won 3 times
ive played 12
3/12 aka 25% winrate doesnt look great
esp compared to bella winning 2/5
or jess winning 1/2
but when you consider that out of my 9 losses, 4/9 involved making merge it looks better?
i dunno i think $$$ amount is probably more indicative of someone's historical impact at least. like, even in the scenario where someone played 5 games, if they're placing in the bottom every time, that's gonna be overshadowed by one person making jury one time, right?green shirt thursdays-
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i sorta disagreeThen list by total number of wins. Your merges and other finishes OTHER than your wins are largely irrelevant to your total $ won.
i dunno i think there's a system in which we say, okay
making FTC, there's x % of total value tied up in that
making jury, there's x % of total value tied up in that
then not making jury has a smaller value than either of the othersLast edited by xRECKONERx on Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.green shirt thursdays-
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can we skip past the part where people act like not giving a fuck is cool bc idk seems fruitlessIn post 143, Xalxe wrote:y'all take this shit so serious, man
It's a game, just have fun, find some idols, get your allies voted out, go home mid-jury, like the cool kids do!green shirt thursdays-
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In post 154, hiplop wrote:reck if it helps i think you suck assIn post 152, xRECKONERx wrote:stop it i can only get so erect!green shirt thursdays-
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nah see the difference is that the big gap between winning and 2nd/3rd/whatever place via the money system is big enough that it makes the difference between 7th and 9th or 11th not that big of a deal, value-wise
with elo it means the person who wins just get 1 more match win over the person who comes in 2ndgreen shirt thursdays-
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