Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

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vote: implosion

found scum on page 1 gets my chubby chubbin'

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whoa

what

no one's ever used the line of lynchability before!!!!

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unvote
vote: nosferatu

grey wagon is boring as fuck

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i don't know "pieg" but i know a "pieguyn" and he's using my calling card to RVS me

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nice post restriction pine

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@nexus

, you missed my vote in the VC (assuming there's no shenanigans).

Desperado remains an excellent vote.

pieg is town. Persivul is town. Wheme looks somewhat town, but not as town as I thought he likely would if he was town so we'll see. massive is likely town. Fire's decently likely town, his early tone felt off but i like his reads.

do you have any reasons for any of these or?

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"his early tone felt off but i like his reads" is hardly a reason

looks more like a fencesit to me

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especially when tone should supersede read quality on page 7

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that is not an explicit stance wtf

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let's check the tape

"firebringer is

decently

likely

town...his early tone felt off

(scummy?)

but i like his reads

(so this makes him more likely to be town?)

"

in what universe is this an explicit stance???

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not strong, but you certainly haven't said anything stronger about him

probably because i don't have any strong feelings about him

and i don't understand why you do either, when your only reason to think he's town is he has good reads

"decently likely town" with reasons to town and scumread him leaves no room for confusion or doubt???

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again, it was not a strong stance, but it's not fencesitting. Fencesitting would be saying "I think he's town because X and i think he's scum because Y but on the whole I'm not sure" for an extended period of time.

this is literally what you said! you said his tone was off (reason to think he's scum) but you like his reads (which is apparently a reason to think he's town, tho i disagree with that)

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Are you criticizing my read for being weak in confidence? because it's page 8 and not all of my reads are golden yet.

actually i'm criticizing you for having that many townreads this early for no/bullshit reasons

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cuz that's what scum do

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vote: implosion

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and you couldn't do that when i asked for reasons the first time because...?

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I also tend to get lots of townreads early in general; I can point you to meta if you like.

nah, meta wouldn't change the fact that you gave out townreads like candy on page 7 and then undercut them right away by noting that it was page 7 and your reads aren't golden

think i'll just see you hang instead

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I could. I just chose not to.

pieg is town for a couple things; there's the entrance to the game/proper analysis of the RVS, for one. I assume their first post wasn't sarcastic, and was an actual early weak reads list, which seems to have been somewhat lost on you, and it was more or less what I'd have said at that point in the game. Their tone since then also feels generally unforced.
Persivul's grey vote is somewhat town (which is also part of why i'm townreading fb, the timing of his persivul townread and the fact that he's the first person to have taken that stance is good). His banter with grey over it cemented it more. He doesn't come off of that exchange as caring how he's perceived.
Wheme i'm townreading mostly off of gut on 73 and 77 which feel somewhat more like his towngame that i'm familiar with from like 2 marathon games than his scumgame. massive is also mostly a gutread/his play feeling vaguely reminiscent of what I remember of his towngame from a few years ago.

you think a full reads list in post 14 was real?

when i've already said that he was using my calling card to RVS me?

right...

@ grey what do you make of implosion townreading persivul for the same thing you're uneasy about him for?

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As for desperado scum, he's decently town in this exchange (I'm not sure if I see him straight attacking me as scum here before seeing anyone else take a stance). His early game still looks bad. His RVS and second post are both really awkward and he calls the grey wagon boring to acknowledge it but explicitly doesn't take any stance on it. He generally did a lot of mentioning things that were happening without commenting either way in a way that felt like he was trying to look like he was doing things.

Curious what others think.

"awkward" is the dumbest scumtell of all time

mainly because it's completely subjective and asking you what was awkward about those two posts won't accomplish anything

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finally, wheme's early game doesn't strike me as town at all, but i only have one completed game with him. what was his style like in those marathon games?

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@ grey what do you make of implosion townreading persivul for the same thing you're uneasy about him for?

NAI, considering he has no experience playing with Persivul.

what does experience with persivul have to do with you thinking he's scummy for putting you to l-2 without announcement and implosion townreading him for the vote?

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so...why are you talking to me about that and not to implosion who is basing his wheme townread on his marathon meta???

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and if you can't understand why i would want implosion to tell me how he perceives wheme's meta then please just butt the fuck out of it

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Wheme i'm townreading mostly off of gut on 73 and 77 which feel somewhat more like his towngame that i'm familiar with from like 2 marathon games than his scumgame.

??????????????

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he literally says he has a gut townread on wheme because it feels like his marathon town game

what the fuck are you even on about grey

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IMPLOSION doesn't think they're irrelevant or he wouldn't have fucking said what he said

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so now i'm asking IMPLOSION to go into more detail about why wheme's marathon town meta is relevant to this game

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without casting a lot of shade over it.

are you fucking kidding me

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finally, wheme's early game doesn't strike me as town at all, but i only have one completed game with him. what was his style like in those marathon games?

holy fuck there's so much shade i can barely see

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i don't even know what we're talking about anymore grey

it doesn't matter if you care or not. implosion cared enough to use it as a reason to townread wheme and i care enough to ask him about it.

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Anger?

More like confusion/exasperation.

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these are included

what

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Implosion, the line of lynchability is derived from me. I'm the only person I've ever seen use it. I've said this...Twice now.

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i don't understand 90% of the words pieg types

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Looking back over desperado again it feels like he's using his scumread on me as an excuse to not comment on anything not related to me. He hasn't' given any other reads other than a not-particularly-town implied read on wheme. I can see twoface's comment on the wagon being meh as potentially true (at least, pine and alz are decent scum candidates given that there's a good amount of the town to townread right now) but i don't see motivation for desperado-town to vanity vote me with comments like "i'll just see you hang" and then just keep that vote on me and not comment on anyone else when no one joins him. He's effectively posting a lot but doing nothing with his vote and taking almost no meaningful stances.

"he's using his scumread on me to not comment on anything else except persivul, wheme, pieg, and grey"

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granted implosion also failed to answer the question about wheme that started my back and forth with grey so maybe he just isn't reading

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who doesn't like firebringer?

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Desperado prob town

why?

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it's almost like...my reads are still developing

O_O

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i realize that might be difficult for someone who had 6 town reads on page 7 to understand but that's the way it is

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are you ever going to talk about your experience with wheme or has that ship sailed?

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I don't

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Vote: PranaDevil

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@ implosion I did indeed miss that post, thanks.

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is this an alternative fact kind of thing or what

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pine definitely doesn't suck lmao

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i'll rephrase: pine definitely doesn't think he sucks so the notion that he'd be faking a post restriction because he'd be afraid to post substance as scum isn't remotely close to whats happening

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Seems horrible, but there's a big BUT: I agree with all of those positions in 409. Implosion and pieg aren't controversial, but pine is to some extent.

weren't you just arguing with firebringer about not pushing easy lynches?

all three of those positions were easy as fuck, PARTICULARLY pine. which is why i voted him for it

in what way was saying he'd vote pine because of the pr controversial?

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prana wasn't easy when i voted him

he'd just done the scummy thing that i voted him for

prana catching up and ~magically~ being willing to vote implosion (leading wagon), pieg (weird playstyle, multiple suspicions) and pine (faking? a pr, multiple suspicions) is what i mean by easy lynches.

simply being scummy doesn't make a lynch easy, maybe that's what you aren't getting?

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also, accompanying those reads with nothing more than "bad vibes" is what made prana's version particularly scummy

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also also

i really think wheme should die

unvote
vote: wheme

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@ nos and implosion: i'm voting wheme because he rolled scum and has no idea what to do

grey vs twoface was...odd. i don't agree that twoface looked town during it and he sure as hell didn't look town after ali replaced in

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wheme who is scum

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game is stagnating

neither of the lead wagons is interesting

twoface vs grey is officially dead so their crossvotes are whatever

if you're reading wheme as town hit me up

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I read your ISO and you've been mentioning wheme most of the day, but never giving much substance.

that doesn't sound like a townread at all

do you think he's town?

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It wasn't intended as a town read. Thought you'd be willing to work with people with null reads or no reads on him as well.

So, instead of making a better scum case on him, you want someone to make a town case on him that you can pick apart?

My case is simple and I already stated it. Wheme got a scum PM and doesn't know what to do, which has resulted in his dumpster fire of an ISO.

If someone is townreading him I want to know why.

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I don't like giving progressio. I like keeping my thoughts to myself if I can

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your thought process in our newbie was so transparently town that i had no choice but to townread you

now you're claiming you "don't like giving progression"??

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what does that even mean????

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"the town" being dong and rabauz, two prs who could not have cared less about the game

if i thought you were lynchable i would have kept you lynchable, but you weren't

and no, it doesn't set your meta in stone. but a claim like "i don't like giving progression" isn't healthy or town, at all

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what made you decide to break out of that mid game?

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Okay, why do you scum read wheme? All of you have said prior to wheme adressing this, to wheme is asking him who he thinks is scum? So what's there in his ISO that made you scum read him?

literally nothing

his ISO contains no reads and he's now claiming its because he doesnt like to give progression because he's afraid of being wrong so he just keeps his thoughts to himself

this isn't consistent with my (admittedly small sample size) experience with him, even during the period he's trying to draw an equivalency to

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TwoFace calling my replace out a scumclaim is 100% town confbias to me. It's so silly I don't think scum!TF would entertain the idea. So I'm not going to waste my time reading the interaction.

or it's scum latching on to something NAI to have an excuse to a) not do anything else and b) not pretend to read you after you replace in

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1) i can do whatever i want

2) not really

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for one, you were open about not having reads and being afraid of how that would look to everyone else

even then, you actually had thoughts and were scumhunting. we're 34 pages in and you're still in the conversational mode from page 5 there. looks like scum trying to replicate what they think their town game is but overcompensating.

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So your read off me is meta

nope

it's off your complete lack of scumhunting in this game + what little i know of your town game

Were in day 1 still. Day 2 is when I actiallly started scum hunting is it not?

no, you started giving thoughts and reads immediately after stating you didn't have any reads and were afraid of being wrong

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Thing is that if his ISO were really a dumpster fire, you'd be able to make more than a simple case. It seems like you're saying that he's a hard null to you. I get voting a hard null for pressure. But, by asking if anyone town reads him and if so why, you seem to be moving the burden of proof so that null becomes scummy.

shit pers you're right, when i said multiple teams that i think wheme is SCUM who doesn't know what to do and is trying and failing to replicate what he thinks his town meta is i really meant he's just null

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OK, my "to you" wording was bad, so I'll restate: while you take the position that wheme is scum, the reasoning you give is more consistent with a null read.

lol ok bro

so do you have an opinion on the wagon or what?

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huh???

that's not an opinion

why did you unvote pieg

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@ gin: why was prana's opening town but darklyn's is scum?

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VOTE: Aliz by far my first choice today, all his posts are cautious and non-committal

pieg, Alisae, Firebringer and TheRealGin-N-Tonic are all obvtown

Leaning town for Desperado and Nosferatu

Never played with Persivul or Pine before and their play didn't really stick out to me... null

I'm going back and forth on Wheme being scum or town with no motivation

scumleaning massive, his 729 post is just awful and shady

like this post is clearly doing things and trying to move the game forward in a pro-town manner

you didn't engage any of his reads beyond the one on yourself

and are now acting like this post doesn't exist

what's up with that?

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unvote
vote: alz

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Please contribute more, your doing less then me.

I won't be able to post for the next 4 hours, at work

Alright let me read the game

VOTE: Aliz by far my first choice today, all his posts are cautious and non-committal

pieg, Alisae, Firebringer and TheRealGin-N-Tonic are all obvtown

Leaning town for Desperado and Nosferatu

Never played with Persivul or Pine before and their play didn't really stick out to me... null

I'm going back and forth on Wheme being scum or town with no motivation

scumleaning massive, his 729 post is just awful and shady

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vote: wheme

persivul/wheme/pine team makes a lot of sense tbh

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Didn't persivul hard pressure pine?
I should relook at how people interacted with pine.

Not voting till I get my feet back in it.

not really how i interpreted it

if anything it felt like he was pushing back on pieg for having a townread on him because his position was that pine's fake restriction was making him unreadable

in this scenario, scumpers attacks townpieg for townreading pine as like a reverse chainsaw

this made more sense before i started typing

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my main takeaway from d1 is that darklyn was a scumdriven counter to scumwheme. i expect another scum on the dark wagon.

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Nice shot Alisae. Sometimes the correct play is also the easy one...just sayin'...

i see stuff like this from scum all the time

regardless of whether you think you can get a read off pine's actual posts due to them not containing words, you are still able to see who he interacts with and how

saying that you can't get a read off pine's posting is just lazy

Or saying you

can

get a read from it is just BS.

Do you believe the post restriction?

this is the crux of pers' pine read.

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I kind of doubt both wheme and persivul are scum Rn.
I pushed both considerably and I am still here.

there are a variety of things wrong with this and i'm sure you're aware of most of them so can we just skip the part where i explain them?

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Yeah no, if I had 2 scum in my scum pool I think I would be a prime target.
I think possibly two scum had me pocketed day one.
Pine was one not sure on other.

the world doesn't revolve around you bro

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and i found that pine post very weird at the time because he claimed to be sheeping fire when wheme was clearly my wagon

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also fire i just iso'ed you and you spent half the time with wheme as towntown and the other half with him as scum

and persivul's scumconfidence is pretty high so i don't think he'd give a fuck about your scumread on him

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Wheme star is town.
Persivul might be scum but I am calling wheme town.
Rereading interactions I think all dead people tells me that wheme is a mislynch waiting to happen.
Now I need him to explain himself betterz

no i need you to explain all of this

particularly the 3rd line

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pine sheeped "You" on wheme and then jumped off at the first opportunity to the garbage mislynch we ended d1 with

what about that says "not scumbuddies"

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and "every" dead player is two fucking people bro

what the fuck

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one of which was a vig

so you're basically saying because ali said wheme is town and scum killed her wheme can't be scum?

that is...bad.

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particularly when wheme on a hypothetical pers/pine/wheme team might as well not have a voice lmao

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i don't see anything that precludes it no

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How about we push for persivul lynch, if he flips scum we revisit wheme tomorrow?
I know this sounds like lining up lynches but hey I can only work with persivul right now.

because i'd feel better about persscum if wheme flips scum first

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i'm inclined to look in {alz, nos, momo} today.

Desperado has been inching further town for a long time. Most of persivul's interactions towards pine I can see either way but i think his initial vote is likely not scum->scum; given that pine was scum faking a post restriction (i assume? since he flipped goon) it seems not prudent as scum to bring up what nexus said in the signup thread that would likely never have been mentioned by anyone else and which basically implied that the restriction was faked. Especially if he's never played with pine before, unless he literally just saw it as pine being dead weight to bus but that seems relatively unlikely.

It will take a lot to sway me on firebringer or gin town. Pieg i could see but not really interested in pursuing atm. Wheme is probably weaker of a townread than those three but i think i've made my opinion on him clear.

if i'm wrong about pers/wheme then momomassive fits as the 2nd scum on dark and alz and nos would make sense

still liking nos for town tho so momo/alz would be my call there

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Why am I up top lol

850

but pine didn't follow through, placed the onus on firebringer for that vote, and dropped it for the darklyn lynch lickety split

"pine doesn't bus" only works for people that pine actually votes to completion

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ya i read what you said right before my post

it has no relevance to wheme being scum

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this is the part where you explain how pine sheeping fire (the person who didnt start the wheme wagon) on a wheme vote and then dropping it two posts later to mislynch dark means wheme can't be scum

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@ gin it's not bussing if he doesn't fucking die

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do you have any reason to believe that wheme is town beyond pine voting him once?

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no my read is mainly based on a complete lack of scumhunting in your iso this game

it is enhanced by what i've seen you be capable of as town

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+ you being a counterwagon to a scumdriven mislynch

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a scum driven wagon doesn't require all of the scum to be on it

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White knighting him while your buddies drive the wagon fits just fine

why is momomassive scum?

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I had massive as null, the games I've played with Momo makes me want to vote him.

that's what i thought

do you have any game relevant thoughts/reads?

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couldn't even respond to pieg before you did

le sighhhh

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Maybe because I pushed scum D1 while fire defended said scum, and he doesn't want me around as a reminder of that.

no you didnt

you attacked pieg for townreading pine because your argument was that pine's restriction rendered him unreadable

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because it's not a real reason and you didn't see it through to completion?

"seems like" =/= "is"

and i was operating under the assumption that pine was faking it to begin with

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no, hundreds of posts later you had downgraded it to "no one can get a read off of pine because of the restriction"

and there's definitely potential town motivation to faking a post restriction. unless you'd also argue there's no town motivation to fake hammers, information gambits, or any other example of where people can lie regardless of alignment to gather reactions and build reads

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are you suggesting that pine did something as scum that he'd never do as town?

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never having seen town do something before doesn't indicate an absence of potential town motivation

you also didn't answer the question. does pine make of a habit of doing things as scum that he wouldn't do as town?

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"nice post restriction" isnt acceptance, it's acknowledgement

555 clearly shows i thought it was fake. the question mark exists because it wasn't mod confirmed

@ gin: i'm not the one who brought up the question of motivation so you can take that to pers. he said there's no town motivation to faking a post restriction and i don't agree.

i'm not even asking if you know, i'm asking you

what you think

. do you

think

pine would do something as scum he wouldn't do as town?

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hey mom

why is wheme scum?

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who are these people? why do you propose they felt the need to defend him?

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you said the post restriction is bullshit

that didn't make pine scum

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you're now saying there's no possible town motivation to faking a post restriction, but you're wrong

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it's pretty important imo

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i mean if you're saying that we compare ppl's stances to how obvious it was yes

but we're colored by conf!bias knowing that pine is scum

more that pers is overselling his d1 read there

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I'm too lazy to make a case Rn, I kind of rather you leave your vote on me than try to explain why I think pers is scum.

I don't even honestly feel as confident he is Rn given his latest batch of posts
Kind of rather lynch momo.

you serious

he didn't even go read the game you posted first beyond the start date or he would have realized that none of the people you said were faking post restrictions were even in that game

and somehow jumped straight to "you've been keeping that 9 year old game in your pocket all game for just this scenario!"

and this makes him townier in your eyes??

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And I kind of think him doing that is townie

what is town about that

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fire he's trying to get you lynched

he picked the battle before all this started...

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i agree with fire fwiw, pers pushing this the way he is makes no sense from scum imo

ok

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nancy I've explained how to dissect his associatives >_>

the closest you've come to doing this is suggesting that pine wouldn't even vote a buddy d1 because he doesn't bus, no matter how weak the vote

what does that have to do with implosion voting pine?

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I miss blitz games. Standard length days are usually a flurry of activity to start for a few calendar days, then a week of blah, then a rush at the end.

you haven't done a damn thing all day but erroneously pretend you had pine pegged d1

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you literally haven't even voted today

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unvote
vote: persivul

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So what?

You just saw me play a scum game in which the IC had me firmly as town, the babysitter protected me 3 nights in a row, and I won in lylo in just a few hours. You know that, as scum, I have no problem acting town. Yet, in this game, you claim to scum read me for newbie level stuff.

so what is that you just complained about how the game state is stale when you've done nothing to change it

i really don't feel like prosecuting everything you just said about witch trials so i'll just say...i don't care. you've done scummy things in his game and whether you think they're newbie level stuff or not is irrelevant.

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So are you scum, or tunneling town? Open-minded town would care about very clear and recent meta, so you're not in that category.

you didn't provide any meta you just said you were good at looking town in one game where you were scum

i'm seeing many of the same things i saw from your play in witch trials

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and you jumping straight to "i had no trouble looking town in THAT game remember???" rather than explaining why you're town in THIS game is pretty scummy

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and you jumping straight to "i had no trouble looking town in THAT game remember???" rather than explaining why you're town in THIS game is pretty scummy

Why is that? I'm good at scum. You saw my last game. In the game prior to that I was called a shiny golden god of scummery in the postgame. Why isn't that relevant, when people are scum reading me for newbie level stuff?

you are arguing that you aren't scum in this game because you're good at scum and you wouldn't do scummy things

i really don't think i need to explain why this argument is specious

and you jumping straight to "i had no trouble looking town in THAT game remember???" rather than explaining why you're town in THIS game is pretty scummy

Further, you're misrepping. I have given reason that I'm town in this game - mainly that I was pushing flipped scum. Yet, in your mind, I was bussing - but not bussing hard enough to actually get him killed - then I got lucky that the vig took him out.

no, you were distancing from pine and then you got UNLUCKY when the vig took him out

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and as pieg said, if you were town who truly thought they had a smoking gun on pine-scum, why did you holster it and later say that his post restriction rendered him unreadable and attack people for thinking otherwise?

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regardless of whether you think you can get a read off pine's actual posts due to them not containing words, you are still able to see who he interacts with and how

saying that you can't get a read off pine's posting is just lazy

Or saying you

can

get a read from it is just BS.

Do you believe the post restriction?

"holster it and later say that his post restriction rendered him unreadable and attack people for thinking otherwise" is quite a stretch.

......

no it isn't? thats literally what you did word for word

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i agree on nos but am referring to wheme being more or less cleared due to pine hard pushing him

What????

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what difference does it make? if he's scum his lone partner can't do shit either way so the inability to get a wagon going is primarily town driven

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The thing that sucks this game is that I can't identify with someone I synergize really well with.

i'm right here baby

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i keep coming back to pers/wheme

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cool

feel like playing the game at any point?

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unvote
vote: wheme

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Desp why you tunneling me so hard

your alignment hasn't changed?

what a dumb question

if you want me to stop scumreading you then fucking to something townie

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pedit: STOP. There's too much shit happening. We're lynching momo or fire, so unless you're a fucking IC day cop, stop going for this wheme shit

lmao you don't get to dictate anything nos

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i want you to scumhunt and be town

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brb lighting myself on fire

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i don't have a read on momo

massive's replace out was strange in a fake/scummy kind of way especially when you combine it with his "ya i'm a d1/d2 faffer oops now i replaced out because people were talking about sucking dicks"

momo not doing anything is consistent with how i expect most people to react to replacing in to a scumslot

BUT maybe massive really was disgusted by it even if i dont understand why and lynching him today doesnt do anyone any good

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"unless you're an IC daycop with a guilty get off wheme" implies you have an unbreakable townread on wheme

i looked for an explanation in your ISO but to be frank i have no fucking idea what your read on him is. he was town because scum wouldn't ask to be in a town bloc but then you cased him pretty heavily d2 and then he wsa town again "because of some discussion earlier in the day"???

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@ nos after your unvote and move to momo and my vote on wheme its momo 5 wheme 3 so...you're wrong?

[Desperado]

Not getting Desperados logic

can you be more specific

[Desperado]

other than the people on the wagon, who has expressed desire to lynch wheme after gin's posts on why he's an unlikely pine partner.

i couldn't give two shits about gin's posts about why wheme is unlikely to be pine's partner because his argument is bad

[Desperado]

SR me for not scum hunting but you don't have a read on Momo

you're actually here doing things that don't include scumhunting

momo isn't playing the game

[Desperado]

Actually kellyanne conway here
answer the question

the answer to the question is i don't care. if they aren't willing to lynch wheme because gin says pine would never even vote a partner d1 when he was already doing something out of step with his scum game that isn't my problem.

[Desperado]

if you're seriously assigning that much credence to pine's play then you're going to be hopelessly lost all game

in no way does him voting me or wheme d1 make us conftown

[Desperado]

totally setting aside the fact that it isn't bussing without a body and there are several reasons to believe it could have been on a buddy

does him adopting a bullshit meme post restriction not signal to you that maybe this wasn't a normal pinescum game?

[Desperado]

Are you town?

yup

[Desperado]

pieg wagon is a nonstarter for me

[Desperado]

both?

[Desperado]

906

[Desperado]

what dont you like about them?

[Desperado]

That this is the only interaction between them that I see.

how is 906 not an interaction?

[Desperado]

stating a clear read on another slot is interaction

[Desperado]

lol

ok

[Desperado]

Thank god it's fucking over, now I can spill it.

viewtopic.php?p=8974153#p8974153

Read it and weep Desperado.

PINE AS SCUM,

DID NOT BUS HIS TEAMMATE

WHO HAD A WAGON ON HIM AT L-1

WHO WAS ROLEBLOCKED AND THE NIGHT WAS A NO KILL.

PINE.

DOES NOT.

FUCKING.

BUS.

EVER.

it

isnt

bussing

without

a body

[Desperado]

you are equating a vote that pine put the blame on someone else for and rescinded two posts later to bussing and I don't fucking get it bro

[Desperado]

are you just pretending rogue one didn't happen????

[Desperado]

voted Titus day one and cross bussed mastin

[Desperado]

no I'm not gonna hold up

your argument is that pine never votes buddies as scum

Its wrong

[Desperado]

TWO POSTS LATER YOU SAY.

Well lets look at the context.

two posts later was from 850 to all the way to 937.

The Dark wagon built up and Pine joined that one as well. He saw the mislynch a mile away.

P-Edit: THERE'S SO MUCH DIFFERENCE THERE HOLD UP.

in what way does this weaken my argument? he attached his Wheme vote to firebringer and then hopped off at the first opportunity

[Desperado]

either way momo is L1 and Wheme isn't voting him because???

[Desperado]

pieg has requested replacement. Searching now.

Wtf?????

[Desperado]

you're right you didn't vote Mastina

still not seeing anything that precludes Wheme from being pines partner

[Desperado]

meta by nature demands that you subvert it or it becomes a trust tell

[Desperado]

the votes are already there for momo anyway

[Desperado]

if pine literally never ever voted a scum buddy it could eventually become problematic

yiu hand waved it because it was RVS scum theater but I have seen him cite a buddy as scum

your argument is weak and as far as I can tell you are conftowning the two of us based solely on his votes on us and it's bad

[Desperado]

I hate it but RC is right when you don't shut the fuck up people will just do it to shut yourself up.

huh??

And if I was going to vote Momo I would have done it awhile ago. I don't feel confident in him flipping scum at all.

[Desperado]

I said 60-70% and it's a D2 clear.

I don't build reads like that so maybe that's where our wires are getting crossed

[Desperado]

I need to sleep now

[Desperado]

I am Ben and Jerry's Phish good a vt

how about that VCA?

[Desperado]

However, momo has been at L-1 for quite a while and wagons have been trying to form like pieg, nos, and wheme.

So, we've had the production of counter wagons and someone that is easily lynchable, isn't getting lynched when they're the main wagon.

in order for this theory to bear fruit the same person would have to be building all of those other wagons

otherwise its just nonsense

[Desperado]

Yeah he did as a joke.

I'm just waiting for Desp to Bitch at me

meh

are you willing to listen to me on wheme or persivul yet?

[Desperado]

Why doesn't somebody fill me in on what I need to know. You're all sitting around apparently waiting for something to happen.

the game really isn't that long

any version of events you get will be inherently biased and there's some stuff that is really best if you don't have an opinion about it already

so...if you could just read the game you replaced in to and give us your thoughts on the events that have transpired i think that'd be best for everyone

[Desperado]

vote: persivul

[Desperado]

are you reading or nah?

[Desperado]

ya

that's kinda how the game works

[Desperado]

i tried persivul yesterday too

it didnt happen

so i switched to you, which had more support

what difference does any of this make

[Desperado]

no pers i know exactly what his read on pine was an it's as I've described

[Desperado]

i just isoed myself and ctrlf'd pieg and I said twice that pieg townread pine. where did you get the opposite impression?

[Desperado]

i just isoed myself and ctrlf'd pieg and I said twice that pieg townread pine. where did you get the opposite impression?

I'll take your word for it. Do you think it's reasonable that pieg had pine as her highest town read based on a few memes and a most likely fake post restriction? It looks like bullshit to me.

i don't think pieg ever seriously had pine as top town

[Desperado]

i wonder how long scum will leave me alive while im scumreading them

i guess about as long as town keeps mislynching

[Desperado]

Does anything about Nos scream town?

does anything about anybody?

darklyn lynch was garbage. momo lynch wasnt much better. but you keep going back to the same well. idgi

[Desperado]

the better question is, does nos look like he has a scumdriven agenda?

him not townreading implosion is a pretty good counterargument to that idea

[Desperado]

ALSO HEY DESP! IT'S LIKE I TOLD YOU PINE SHEEPED FIREBRINGER TO BE THE TOWN FALL GUY AND FIRE WAS TOWN. I LOVE MY THEORY AND IT'S PROVEN 1/3 CORRECT WITH FLIPS

?

firebringer was always town that pine was pinning his wheme vote too

thats been what ive been saying the whole time?

[Desperado]

I mean, if he like attacked me then maybe. But saying he neither townreads nor scumreads me is not a hard stance to take as scum.

it's a pointless one tho

he isn't keeping you lynchable but not giving you a read either way

what scum agenda is nullreading you when you're town or everyone else serving?

[Desperado]

Do you agree with my assessment that there were more scum on the Dark lynch? If so, I believe we should focus our efforts here because we already know the alignments of everyone on that wagon except for three people. I'm including myself (my slot) in this pool. For clarity, it's {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Edosurist}.

VOTE: Persivul

ya definitely, i've been pushing a persivul/wheme team since the beginning of d2

[Desperado]

You didn't actually make an assessment, you just said there were more scum on Dark without reason, and used that as an excuse to vote someone who's scum reading you. Consider what actually happened. The Dark wagon replaced this one:
Whemestar (5) - Desperado, pieg, Firebringer, Nosferatu, Pine

If scum is in {Persivul, TheRealGin-N-Tonic}, why didn't either of us jump on an L-2 wagon? It was late in phase, so deadline was an easy excuse.

Shouldn't an assessment of the dark lynch lead to the conclusion that wheme is scum, and dark was the CW?

hahahahaha

"darklyn was town and a counterwagon to Wheme, why on earth wouldn't I or Gin have voted Wheme instead???"

[Desperado]

yes pers, wheme being scum is exactly the correct assessment thank you

[Desperado]

vote: wheme

[Desperado]

if gin is town there's no question scum bussed

[Desperado]

I'm claiming RB who, targeted Edo. No, I'm not going to put up with that, Gin. 0 Reason I'd kill edo over you or someone who isn't ML bait.

where is your flavor and other actions

[Desperado]

ya mass claim works

aj should claim his flavor and all his actions and then popcorn it

[Desperado]

im doritos cool original, vt

[Desperado]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: aj the epic

full town roleblocker doesn't make any sense at all.

[Desperado]

aj has the only unlimited role and there's nothing for it to interact with

[Desperado]

One shot vig
JOAT
Odd night cop
7 VTs

Vs

Roleblocker
1 shot strongman
Goon

[Desperado]

finally, "I thought I was a JK" is pretty batshit, Nexus isn't the kind of mod who gives ambiguous roles

[Desperado]

hmmmmmm

everything you said is right but i don't buy the scumteam having been two goons and a 1-shot strongman, and i don't believe a scum power role would claim vt in this situation

and as imp has been cleared by nos, that means it's either nos or aj

nos didn't claim flavor btw, not a huge fan of that

"odd night" with "x-shots" on the vig and strongman suggest nos' role is atypical as well

so what looks better:

1-shot vig
roleblocker
rolecop/track/doc joat
7 vt

vs

1-shot strongman
full rolecop? self watcher? ive seen both in nexus games
goon

[Desperado]

or

1-shot vig
odd night cop
rolecop/track/doc joat
7 vt

vs

1-shot strongman
roleblocker
goon

[Desperado]

it's a mass claim dude

him not including flavor and you claiming all of your stuff piecemeal are both red flags to me

[Desperado]

Desp you been tunneling me all game so hurry up

your play the last twelve hours or so has been garbage bro

[Desperado]

pretend like you care about solving the game, at least

[Desperado]

lol

can we lynch in the power roles please