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do you have any reasons for any of these or?In post 162, implosion wrote:@nexus, you missed my vote in the VC (assuming there's no shenanigans).
Desperado remains an excellent vote.
pieg is town. Persivul is town. Wheme looks somewhat town, but not as town as I thought he likely would if he was town so we'll see. massive is likely town. Fire's decently likely town, his early tone felt off but i like his reads.-
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probably because i don't have any strong feelings about himIn post 176, implosion wrote:not strong, but you certainly haven't said anything stronger about him
and i don't understand why you do either, when your only reason to think he's town is he has good reads
"decently likely town" with reasons to town and scumread him leaves no room for confusion or doubt???-
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this is literally what you said! you said his tone was off (reason to think he's scum) but you like his reads (which is apparently a reason to think he's town, tho i disagree with that)In post 178, implosion wrote:again, it was not a strong stance, but it's not fencesitting. Fencesitting would be saying "I think he's town because X and i think he's scum because Y but on the whole I'm not sure" for an extended period of time.-
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actually i'm criticizing you for having that many townreads this early for no/bullshit reasonsIn post 178, implosion wrote:Are you criticizing my read for being weak in confidence? because it's page 8 and not all of my reads are golden yet.-
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nah, meta wouldn't change the fact that you gave out townreads like candy on page 7 and then undercut them right away by noting that it was page 7 and your reads aren't goldenIn post 185, implosion wrote:I also tend to get lots of townreads early in general; I can point you to meta if you like.
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you think a full reads list in post 14 was real?In post 188, implosion wrote:I could. I just chose not to.
pieg is town for a couple things; there's the entrance to the game/proper analysis of the RVS, for one. I assume their first post wasn't sarcastic, and was an actual early weak reads list, which seems to have been somewhat lost on you, and it was more or less what I'd have said at that point in the game. Their tone since then also feels generally unforced.
Persivul's grey vote is somewhat town (which is also part of why i'm townreading fb, the timing of his persivul townread and the fact that he's the first person to have taken that stance is good). His banter with grey over it cemented it more. He doesn't come off of that exchange as caring how he's perceived.
Wheme i'm townreading mostly off of gut on 73 and 77 which feel somewhat more like his towngame that i'm familiar with from like 2 marathon games than his scumgame. massive is also mostly a gutread/his play feeling vaguely reminiscent of what I remember of his towngame from a few years ago.
when i've already said that he was using my calling card to RVS me?
right...
@ grey what do you make of implosion townreading persivul for the same thing you're uneasy about him for?-
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"awkward" is the dumbest scumtell of all timeIn post 190, implosion wrote:As for desperado scum, he's decently town in this exchange (I'm not sure if I see him straight attacking me as scum here before seeing anyone else take a stance). His early game still looks bad. His RVS and second post are both really awkward and he calls the grey wagon boring to acknowledge it but explicitly doesn't take any stance on it. He generally did a lot of mentioning things that were happening without commenting either way in a way that felt like he was trying to look like he was doing things.
Curious what others think.
mainly because it's completely subjective and asking you what was awkward about those two posts won't accomplish anything-
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what does experience with persivul have to do with you thinking he's scummy for putting you to l-2 without announcement and implosion townreading him for the vote?In post 197, -Grey- wrote:
NAI, considering he has no experience playing with Persivul.In post 195, Desperado wrote:@ grey what do you make of implosion townreading persivul for the same thing you're uneasy about him for?-
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??????????????In post 188, implosion wrote:Wheme i'm townreading mostly off of gut on 73 and 77 which feel somewhat more like his towngame that i'm familiar with from like 2 marathon games than his scumgame.-
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are you fucking kidding meIn post 207, -Grey- wrote:without casting a lot of shade over it.-
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holy fuck there's so much shade i can barely seeIn post 198, Desperado wrote:finally, wheme's early game doesn't strike me as town at all, but i only have one completed game with him. what was his style like in those marathon games?
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whatIn post 218, pieg wrote:these are included-
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"he's using his scumread on me to not comment on anything else except persivul, wheme, pieg, and grey"In post 321, implosion wrote:Looking back over desperado again it feels like he's using his scumread on me as an excuse to not comment on anything not related to me. He hasn't' given any other reads other than a not-particularly-town implied read on wheme. I can see twoface's comment on the wagon being meh as potentially true (at least, pine and alz are decent scum candidates given that there's a good amount of the town to townread right now) but i don't see motivation for desperado-town to vanity vote me with comments like "i'll just see you hang" and then just keep that vote on me and not comment on anyone else when no one joins him. He's effectively posting a lot but doing nothing with his vote and taking almost no meaningful stances.
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why?In post 393, WhemeStar wrote:Desperado prob town-
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weren't you just arguing with firebringer about not pushing easy lynches?In post 545, Persivul wrote:Seems horrible, but there's a big BUT: I agree with all of those positions in 409. Implosion and pieg aren't controversial, but pine is to some extent.
all three of those positions were easy as fuck, PARTICULARLY pine. which is why i voted him for it
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prana wasn't easy when i voted him
he'd just done the scummy thing that i voted him for
prana catching up and ~magically~ being willing to vote implosion (leading wagon), pieg (weird playstyle, multiple suspicions) and pine (faking? a pr, multiple suspicions) is what i mean by easy lynches.
simply being scummy doesn't make a lynch easy, maybe that's what you aren't getting?-
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that doesn't sound like a townread at allIn post 742, Persivul wrote:I read your ISO and you've been mentioning wheme most of the day, but never giving much substance.
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My case is simple and I already stated it. Wheme got a scum PM and doesn't know what to do, which has resulted in his dumpster fire of an ISO.In post 749, Persivul wrote:It wasn't intended as a town read. Thought you'd be willing to work with people with null reads or no reads on him as well.
So, instead of making a better scum case on him, you want someone to make a town case on him that you can pick apart?
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In post 772, WhemeStar wrote:I don't like giving progressio. I like keeping my thoughts to myself if I can-
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literally nothingIn post 816, Alz wrote:Okay, why do you scum read wheme? All of you have said prior to wheme adressing this, to wheme is asking him who he thinks is scum? So what's there in his ISO that made you scum read him?
his ISO contains no reads and he's now claiming its because he doesnt like to give progression because he's afraid of being wrong so he just keeps his thoughts to himself
this isn't consistent with my (admittedly small sample size) experience with him, even during the period he's trying to draw an equivalency to