Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

[TwoFace]

Vote count 2.03

mozamis - FireScreamer, momo, WhemeStar, Barleycorn (L-2)

momo - gerryoat, DogWatch (L-4)
FireScreamer - mozamis (L-5)


Not Voting:mozamis, Selynee, Eddie Cane, BoonSkiies, & Keyser Soze


With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-03-16 18:13:03)


Mod note - Eddie Cane is v/la until March 25th, however if he goes 3 days without game related content I will look for a replacement

[WhemeStar]

norska didn't answer one of my questions, though by way of replacing.

wheme 990 is weird. i asked about it and wheme didn't answer. 1035 is pretty blatantly not interacting with dog's inquiry. 1011 might imply foreknowledge though that's admittedly weak. i scumread him

It was a bad question I didn't feel like answering.

[mozamis]

this is probably the turning point in the game.
if town, can you know, POST - we have a chance.
But if keyser, barley, dogwatch (essentially the main players assuming fire is scum) just let the weaker players take me down, then town are probaly fucked.

[Barleycorn]

why was it a bad question?

pedit: i don't think fire is scum but his play today is weakening my tr of him

[mozamis]

in some ways, thats unfair. if the weaker town players could post more then...yeah...lucky i didnt wirte the gettysburg address really lol

[mozamis]

guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - thoughts on Wheme?

This is with 0 meta on him, but he looks like he's lynchbaity as a player. Obviously that implies I have a soft scumread on him, which I do, but it looks more playstyle-y than alignment indicative. I'll quote stuff now.

[Eddie Cane]

Wheme came in way too eager to hammer but again I feel that's behavior that comes to playstyle, it's just not the kind of thing I think scum would actually do. I can't really hound him for voting frank because there was no scenario I wanted frank alive, if he was town he was always going to be low hanging fruit and a question mark and you don't want that late game. it's different from momo because frank is on a more... comprehensible level. I don't even think momo is awful, but you can pretty much tell it's not some massive scum facade so he's pretty much just nai in posting and needs to be sorted through actions.

Overall though wheme has little content and barley pointed out the obvious stuff, especially 1035. I put him 60:40 scum. ignoring the specific content there's just not much to go off. other than dog/momo/moz/now barley I don't think he's even acknowledged the rest of the player list exists which pings me.

[Eddie Cane]

guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

what lol

[Eddie Cane]

Reads most town at top, descending to most scum.
Town:


The More You Ignore Moz, The Closer He Gets.
Barley
keyser
Dog

Neutral:
Aaron
Gerry
Traanscend
Shadow

Pos scum:
Frank
Eddie
Scum:
Fire.

helo you've ignored 3 or 4 times so I'll ask directly: why do you scum read me? we've heard about fire plenty and frank flipped. you're not explaining your read on me and if im pos scum that should be your goal. especially since one of your other positions scum is dead so your only rmscumreads were fire and myself. throwing out names and not giving reasoning when asked doesn't help.

[Keyser Söze]

@mozamis
Please can you post some links to your completed games where you were scum.

this is my only game as scum since i retunred to mafia before xmas.

Thanks, I think I'll need to do some meta-digging on you.

Yeah. I don't necessarily like the wagon. It's fill with the entirety of yesterDay's wagon on Frank minus Keyser, who I am town reading.

Which slots are you 'uncomfortable' with from the D1 lynch wagon?

[Keyser Söze]

im voting moz out of laziness i think. but i do have to say that nobody is really doing work to sort anyone but moz/momo. except boon? and keyser i think

In terms of pro-active sorting Whemestar (Aro replacement) has the worst ISO:

Replaces in; focuses on Frank (misslynch) - when you replace in you generally want to get the FEEL of every player. He did not do this.
D2, narrow focus only on Moz (Moz is in the null zone for me at the moment, so I can understand people pressuring her) but Wheme's ONLY focus has been Moz.



I don't know if Boon has saved the Shadow slot just yet. He's making stances but we haven't seen the DETAIL behind them.

[Keyser Söze]

Note:
Fire has been hard pushing Moz since D1 so I have ruled out scum vs scum theatrics.
I can't see the scum motivation in them making D2 about their two slots.
Either both town or one scum.

[WhemeStar]

why was it a bad question?

pedit: i don't think fire is scum but his play today is weakening my tr of him

That post had 0 meaning behind it which means the question was meaningless also.

[Keyser Söze]

Overall though wheme has little content and barley pointed out the obvious stuff, especially 1035. I put him 60:40 scum. ignoring the specific content there's just not much to go off. other than dog/momo/moz/now barley I don't think he's even acknowledged the rest of the player list exists which pings me.

This.
The only weak-town points I can give him is via WIFOM for his nonchalant hammer of Frank (he sets himself up for attention at night/D2).

[FireScreamer]

fire is explicitly not doing so which is annoying if he's town

If you want my opinion on anything else feel free to ask directly for it. I'm less evasive of questions when they are not coming from the person I am trying to send directly to hell.

Note:
Fire has been hard pushing Moz since D1 so I have ruled out scum vs scum theatrics.
I can't see the scum motivation in them making D2 about their two slots.
Either both town or one scum.

So lynch Moz and i'll even throw in a FREE innocent child for you*.


*While stocks last

[WhemeStar]

Fire seems more town then Moz. Much rather lynch Moz over him

[Keyser Söze]

I would have liked selynee to not dodge the question before a hammer but whatever.

fos selynee for dodging me asking for a frank stance

@Eddie Cane - were you happy with Selynee's explanation?

No, I never did. Already said why. Transcend hammered, so I didn't include him in my list.

No, I didn't. Would have said so if I had reasons to townread him, but my point that he didn't explained his reads stayed. I did have in mind his 540, but couldn't decide if he was confident because he was town, or decided to play confident after being called out for a vote without explanation that pit someone close to being lynched.

Don't really think I've dodged the question though. Repeating the same ideas twice don't really make them any more insightful.

i.e

are you still FOS'ing her?

[Keyser Söze]

So lynch Moz and i'll even throw in a FREE innocent child for you*.

For me right now, your tunnel is so hard you're 'prob town' whatever Moz flips

RE: Moz, this game I see flowing-stream of consciousness thoughts littering her ISO (note #1003 - #1007): I usually lean town on this free-playstyle. I'm trying to find out if this is evident in her completed scum/town games.

[Keyser Söze]

Sorry, HIS.

[momo]

Yes I am for sure one of Moz and fire is scum.

This day is going to be cracking who it is. I think fire has more towncred with me but it could go either way. Want to see there 1v1 play out.

[FireScreamer]

Lol ok let's lynch Momo.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Momo

[momo]

Nice one bro!!!

[FireScreamer]

Yes I am for sure one of Moz and fire is scum.

This day is going to be cracking who it is. I think fire has more towncred with me but it could go either way. Want to see there 1v1 play out.

Creating a false dichotomy like this is abysmal. FoS Wheme for it as well but with Momo it has added survivalist implications which he has shown a tendency for already. Why do you think that me vs Moz has to be town vs scum?

[momo]

Well it could be town vs town but I doubt it.

A gut feeling tells me this is the case.

With all the tunneling it can't be town vs town.

One of you is scum and it is up to the rest of us to figure out who.