Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

[TwoFace]

Vote count 1.15

momo - Firescreamer, gerryoat, DogWatch (L-4)
FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, Transcend, momo (L-4)

Dogwatch - Shadow_step, Selynee (L-5)
Keyser Soze - Aronagrundy (L-6)
Firescreamer - mozamis (L-6)
Shadow_Step - Keyser Soze (L-6)


Not Voting: FrankJaeger, Barleycorn

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-03-06 16:51:40)

Mod Note - Barleycorn is v/la until 3/5/2017

[FireScreamer]

Frank has been super lurky and has tried to justify it. Up until this point I'd read that as anti town play but not scummy play. However it has now gone beyond that point. It was pointed out to him why it isn't a good idea for town to do that and he insists on continuing it. He could easily be waiting until a couple days before the deadline to shake a wagon off him and get through day 1 without being able to be reasonably analyzed on much of day 1 later.

I'd shamelessly support a Frank lynch as an alternative to myself or if we really can't do better. I think in general though we'd be more lucky than good if he actually flips red and if he flips green it gives us so little information.

[Transcend]

Thoughts in green.

Vote count 1.15

momo - Firescreamer, gerryoat, DogWatch (L-4)

Terrible. Momo's tone here shits of town. DogWatch is probably naive to this as the rest of her game has been town as fuck, but FireScreamer and gerryoat being cemented here looks really shitty.

FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, Transcend, momo (L-4)

There is so much resistance to this wagon that should have 0 resistance given this slot's play should he be town.

Dogwatch - Shadow_step, Selynee (L-5)

Typical 2 idiots voting this slot which are votes so bad that even scum won't sheep. But I'm starting to doubt Shadow!Town

Keyser Soze - Aronagrundy (L-6)

Is this really the best vote? I'm starting to doubt Town!You even though you were one of my best tr's to begin the game.

Firescreamer - mozamis (L-6)

Possibly gonna jump here in a bit. This is a fine vote.

Shadow_Step - Keyser Soze (L-6)

You really think this is the best vote right now Keyser?

Not Voting: FrankJaeger, Barleycorn

Frank hasn't voted all game??? Maybe he has. There's been no progression from him all game. Barleycorn is still obvious town even though we disagree about many things.

[FireScreamer]

I am not really feeling the pressure on fire. Will not have him lynched unless people give me good reasons.

Can you explain for me what changed between this post and the post below please Momo?

I am willing to vote Frank/Fire

I might vote dog as well. We need to hurry though.

This is the scumteam I am with right now.

ANd why would you lynch VT's.

ALL I am going to say is investigate me. I will come out as a VT.

I'll give this a slight town read but not very heavy of one. Momo gets more credit for this than someone like Keyser would though.


I would not support a Momo lynch over at the very least Frank so I guess its time to

UNVOTE:

[FireScreamer]

Transcend if you start making more posts like that one I'm going to have to start townreading you.

[FireScreamer]

Gerry is a worse Frank. While Frank for whatever reason is just trying to check out of day 1 entirely, Gerry is reading and engaging just as much as he needs to to defend himself. While frank is unfocused on everything, Gerry is very focused on how he is being read. Now town of course has an interest in that sort of thing as well. But if you are paying attention you might as well eventually make a few reads yourself.

I'd support a Gerry lynch over a Frank lynch but with nobody on him just now and a wagon approaching I understand this may be a fight for day 2 when Gerry and all of the lurkers are going to have to put up or be strung up.

[Transcend]

gross

this is not against my scum play in the slightest bit, and in fact i'm more likely to make a post like that as scum, but i felt like being nice today.

[FireScreamer]

gross

this is not against my scum play in the slightest bit, and in fact i'm more likely to make a post like that as scum, but i felt like being nice today.

That's fine. Just feed me things like reasoning when you are in a good mood and I feel a lot better being in a game with you. Not asking for you not to conceal reasoning if you feel its important. But right now people are being apathetic and you opening up more at that time to try and actually get something done is something I'm happy to see. Timing of the post as important as the post itself.

[Transcend]

aite so what are you gonna do with your vote then

[Eddie Cane]

aite so what are you gonna do with your vote then

@fire come lynch scum with us and vote frank

[Transcend]

fyi i only fos frank for resistance

[FireScreamer]

Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it. If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him. Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: fire

(Insert reasoning here)

UNVOTE: fire

Prob day off 2mar
Real quick tho-
Thinking aro is scum now. His recent posts are anti town

atleast

Nothings changed with moz

Trans is null wtf with the votes tho

Keyser is prob town, and i don't get why he's being antagonized

Dog looking town.

Other players i need to go over.

Also there is way to much arguing about semantics.

VOTE: aro

UNVOTE:
VOTE: moz

Moz or aro idc

UNVOTE:
Until i can read the last few pages

frank has voted a lot btw!

[FireScreamer]

aite so what are you gonna do with your vote then

At the end of my stuff today and not before. The vote should be my conclusion and conclusions come at the end. Plus half of the reason i'm doing this is try to get a handle on the game. Theres a very real chance I change my mind halfway through these reads and voting and then revoting weakens my position on both people.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it.

If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him.

Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.

How did I try to put pressure on you?

[FireScreamer]

Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it.

If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him.

Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.

How did I try to put pressure on you?

"My argument is actually Fire's so vote him if you disagree with it"

1. At the point where you are voting based off of it my argument IS your argument.
2. It's not a super big thing but "Vote for one of my strongest townreads" is probably not a line you should normally go for.

[FireScreamer]

Quotes are paraphrased for effect obviously which is why they are not in quote tags. Not trying to misrepresent.

[Transcend]

eddie cane reminds me of someone

[Keyser Söze]

Shadow_step hasn't even blinked since I voted him - could be avoiding the thread. If town-Shadow disagrees with my position on him, I'd at least expect him to retaliate.

gerryoat has been quiet since his quick-wagon was dismantled. He said he wants to give momo the "rope", but it's only a soft push. Still in null-zone.

FrankJaeger needs some fire up his ass Suspicion: scum hiding behind a playstyle.

VOTE: FrankJaeger

[Eddie Cane]

Fos Eddie as well. Shadow is a shit counterwagon to Fire.

It is indeed a counterwagon to dog. you should probably

vote me over fire

though as I did take his argument.

1 small hole in that argument.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie cane reminds me of someone

dont say if you do know who I am please

[Keyser Söze]

FTR, I like players who have been scum-read/voted but

continue to post

.

[FireScreamer]

Fos Eddie as well. Shadow is a shit counterwagon to Fire.

It is indeed a counterwagon to dog. you should probably

vote me over fire

though as I did take his argument.

1 small hole in that argument.

Oh I totally can't read. Sorry man.

[FireScreamer]

oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.

VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

While I totally get a townlean on me turning into a scumlean today (I just FOSed Eddie for NOT doing exactly that) this is a bit different. This isn't changing a read. This is misrepresenting your read's progression entirely. It's a slip. Either

1. She didn't townread me when she said she did. - Scummy!
2. The second post is willfully misrepresenting the progression of her read - Scummy!
3. She forgot she townread me earlier. Her reads don't have a progression because they are artificial - Super super scummy!

While i'd compromise on a Frank/Gerry lynch this is where my vote goes just now. This is dissonance in a way I can't find town reasoning for.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mozamis

[Transcend]

eddie cane reminds me of someone

dont say if you do know who I am please

i'm probably wrong

but i won't say anything of course