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[Transcend]

Fire and gerry are scum fucks tho

But i guess only i see that

[TwoFace]

Vote count 1.14

momo - Firescreamer, gerryoat, DogWatch (L-4)
FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, Transcend, momo (L-4)

Dogwatch - Shadow_step, Selynee (L-5)
Keyser Soze - Aronagrundy (L-6)
Firescreamer - mozamis (L-6)
Shadow_Step - Keyser Soze (L-6)


Not Voting: FrankJaeger, Barleycorn

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-03-06 16:51:40)

Mod Note - Barleycorn is v/la until 3/5/2017

[Barleycorn]

we can talk about it in a bit

[Eddie Cane]

0 chance I'm voting fire today. his ideas have meshed super well with mine itg and that's as good a town tell as there is.

[Eddie Cane]

well tbh mostly just talking shadow step stuff and stuff like 558. I like fire as town rn and think we should lynch elsewhere.

[Eddie Cane]

I actually don't really understand why fire!scum is something ppl keep saying

@mozamis @transcend why is fire scum

[momo]

Who here is willing to vote Frank...he is my number one choice to be lynched.

[Transcend]

MOMO AND FRANK ARE BOTH LYNCHBAIT (at least for this game)

Frank would be a super easy mislynch for scum

Momo would be a super easy mislynch for scum

Three obvtown are voting Frank, yet not a soul else has jumped on.

Two obvtown voted momo, that wagon attracted scumfuck heaven.

It's not that hard morons.

Frank is a phenomenal lynch.

Fire/Gerry yields at least one scum.

[gerryoat]

transcend what made me go from your tr to your hard sr in like 5 pages.

[Transcend]

u being scummy

also you were only a townlean

[gerryoat]

how was i scummy

[DogWatch]

Transcend, how is frank both lynchbait and a phenomenal lynch?

[TwoFace]

Frank has been prodded

[Keyser Söze]

Selynee ISO

Selynee equates that the fact Dogwatch 'keeps relaying on what others said or agree to vote with them' is scum-indicative. That

playstyle

is null -

sheepy

can be scum or town. Why can't town-Dogwatch talk about her under-developed reads with her t/reads and freely move her vote?

A way to participate in a lynch without having to take the blame for it. For example, in 452- she says she townreads mozamis. In 458, asks you what is wrong with a post mozamis made. Then votes her based on the fact that she trusts you. Now, if mozamis flips town, who is going to be blamed the most for the lynch. Probably not Dogwatch.

I can't see why Selynee thinks Dogwatch doesn't have just as much accountability as Barley would. A vote is a vote - every vote on that hypothetical miss-lynch will be analysed and grilled. Thus, I am not seeing the Dogwatch-sheeping-everyone-to-escape-accountability scum narrative.

Frank gave reads without explaining any of them.

Agree with this observation.

Player list

DogWatch TOWN
mozamis TOWN
Selynee (NorskaBlue) VI

1) Why do you think Dogwatch is town.
2) Is your read on mozamis only in relation with momo being scum or is it an independent read.
3) Do I get an award?

This is interesting- why Eddie?

I like Selynee soft-challenging the reads of other players, but just simply asking "why" isn't getting to the heart of someone's read. WHAT is Selynee's position on all the players? Is Selynee willing to push HER reads for everyone to listen to.
Right now I'm thinking: she's just asking generic soft scum-hunting questions.

I believe Selynee reads confidence as town indicative. Why not confident scum?

The way I see, he is either town or a very confident mafia.

Ok... so null then?

Observations

- She demonstrated more open-mindness on momo's confident-fueled play (weighing up town vs scum) than her view on Dogwatch's sheepy play (only thinking sheep-like play was scum-indicative).
- I do not know if simply asking WHY a certain player is reading a player scum/town is actively sorting/challenging someone's read.

I think Selynee has been keeping her head down to low (8 posts?!).
Time to shout.
I don't trust you.

[Eddie Cane]

selynee subbed recently do 8 posts isn't even thar low IM/O

[Keyser Söze]

OK, I take back the "8 posts?!".
I still feel like she's not got her teeth into the game yet.

[Keyser Söze]

FrankJaeger re-read:

VOTE: fire

(Insert reasoning here)

"(Insert reasoning here)" FrankJaeger sets the theme for the rest of today

Re-posts Transcend's FOS on Eddie. Doesn't add additional reason.

Not sure if arona is town or scum yet

Where are you with aronagrundy now?

Quotes aronagrundy's posts and calls them scummy.

Moza maybe scum.

Why?
Is FrankJaeger another one of those players with an unreadable playstyle?

Posts a thin summary of reads.
Easy work. I don't know if this is town-FrankJaeger or scum-FrankJaeger.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: moz

Moz or aro idc

If you want to direct the wagons you need to add your thoughts.

UNVOTE:
Until i can read the last few pages

You'll need to show me the development of your scum read on aronagrundy.
From "anti-town" scum, to "UNVOTE".

FrankJaeger is purposefully making it hard for us to read him.

Another player who needs to be more open.

3 days til deadline.

[FireScreamer]

Transcend, how is frank both lynchbait and a phenomenal lynch?

The logic is that lynchbait that your scumreads arn't going anywhere near could in fact just be a bad scum player. I personally hate to play the assosiation guessing game day 1 but I can see where Transcend is coming from.

Going to do rereads on people here and there throughout the day. Deadline is coming up so I need to find a place for my vote that I don't hate. Gonna wake up and stuff first. Starting working on this game in a couple hours from this post.

[momo]

If Frank does not start playing like a regular person with reasons and starts contributing to town, he should be our D1 lynch.

I mean....he is scum anyway.

[Selynee]

1)"Sheepy" is not scum-indicative as I've pretty much did the same in my game. It was that and the fact that she kept that she agrees with somebody else before voting that made me think she was trying to take the responsibility off herself.

2) This is a nice theory. But if this hypothetical miss lynch goes, how are you going to "sort out" someone who might say "X and Y were my town reads, I didn't have a townread on Z so I've voted with them". Or are you mostly going to interrogate the ones who provided reasons and tried to get that person lynched?

3) I wasn't actually soft-challenging mozamis's read on Eddie. It was actual curiosity, as the way I see it, Eddie is one of the most involved and logical players (along with Barley)- I've actually wanted to see his reasons for not trusting him. As for Transcend, I've wanted to see the reasons for his reads and understand his logic- granted, I've failed.

4) Yes, a character flaw. To be blunt, I've read momo's play more like town than very confident mafia firstly because we are D1 and because momo wasn't himself in the best position (as in being mostly town-read) when he made the offer to be investigated, neither do I read him (till this moment) as having some ability to convince everyone he must be town.

5) "Time to shout"- very unlikely to happen. Tried for 12 years, doubt I'll succeed now because of a mafia game.

[DogWatch]

Transcend, how is frank both lynchbait and a phenomenal lynch?

The logic is that lynchbait that your scumreads arn't going anywhere near could in fact just be a bad scum player. I personally hate to play the assosiation guessing game day 1 but I can see where Transcend is coming from.

Maybe I just have a slightly definition of lynchbait then. To me, lynchbait is a player that scum is actively trying to scapegoat or frame. What you're saying sounds more like lynchbait is just someone who's simply playing badly enough to earn votes from all alignments.

[Transcend]

can we lynch fire or frank already

[Transcend]

fire claimed scum on page 1, if i were dayvig i would've promptly killed him.

[DogWatch]

1)"Sheepy" is not scum-indicative as I've pretty much did the same in my game. It was that and the fact that she kept that she agrees with somebody else before voting that made me think she was trying to take the responsibility off herself.

I get what you're saying, but if I don't have a purely original reason for voting someone, would you rather me just post a naked vote? Personally I don't like when people do that. I'd rather someone just admit they agree with someone else's assessment and that's where they feel their vote should go. Plus I'm a social player and I like to acknowledge a good point when I see it.

[FireScreamer]

So my interactions with Arona and Shadow_Step should let you know how I feel about them. I've been townreading Barley and Keyser. Players like Trancend rub me the wrong way but its not actually alignment indicative and I don't have much to say on him.

So let's talk about Frank, Momo, Gerryoat, Eddie and Mozamis.