Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[MeMe]

Got it.

~waves to everyone happily~

[MeMe]

vote: Dani Banani

(because it's

fun

)

[MeMe]

MeMe? Got it?

Hey.

~agrees with everything

else

mith said~

[MeMe]

Yes. No - wait. ~sobs~

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Seriously (so no one gets confused), I ignored everything before "alright" and was agreeing with your "jester comes out -- but no faking" thing. We all know where

that

gets us.

[MeMe]

^ to mith.

[MeMe]

If tyhess gets too powerful, the mafia will just try to shoot him as they know that tyhess is against them.

unvote: Dani Banani
vote: Iammars

[MeMe]

Anniversary weekend -- I'll be out of town 'til Monday.

[MeMe]

unvote: Iammars
vote: Dani Banani

Still fun.

[MeMe]

Any word from Dark Ermac?

[MeMe]

Dark Ermac's two posts are

extremely

questionable. He claims connection issues for yesterday -- but what about the other seven silent days? And the "damnit" following quickly -- as though he didn't know with his first post that he'd been replaced but figured it out just a minute later. Weirdness.

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I'm also getting curious about Fletcher since I'm almost positive I saw him reading the site yesterday afternoon and was fully expecting to see a resulting post. So...did my eyes deceive me, Fletch? If not, why no post?

[MeMe]

Furthermore, its not unlikely that this crew from Thespival actually has a motive for lying. But then, of course you probably havent considered the possibility that the whole thing is a setup designed to out and eliminate the Jester.

I'm part of the "crew from Thespival" -- and the only way we could all have a motive for lying would be if we were a 9+ person group tasked with lying in this game, and anyone who believes that is "not unlikely" is either paranoid or purposely spewing crap.

Same goes for your "setup" suggestion -- but, even if you truly believed it was designed by the majority of the players as a trap, why attempt to debunk it? Why not just allow it to play out and see if he/she falls for it? And, to be clear, I think it's correct jester play to come forward, but I don't get why anyone who might

truly

believe otherwise wouldn't also consider it anti-town to give the jester strategy tips.

[MeMe]

Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...

Care to come up with a legitimate reason why? Keeping in mind that 1) I was at Thespival and 2) I had no idea mith was going to kill the trap minutes after I posted?

[MeMe]

I'd still like a list of who here WASNT at Thespival.

These players were there:

al_kohaulec
Dani Banani
Fletcher
Mastermind of Sin
MeMe
mith
petroleumjelly
PookyTheMagicalBear
Talitha

[MeMe]

Not completely sure, but the only other scummers NOT on my list who were there (as far as memory and the group pic serves) are:

Ameliaslay
Atticus
Dirge
kristocker
mlaker
spork76
Thesp

The only one of those players I'm not 100% certain isn't using an alt in this game is Ameliaslay -- and I can't see her bothering.

[MeMe]

just checking in... sorry i haven't posted recently, but my weekend got crazy quick... short story, i'm recently working 2 jobs... still trying to figure out time for myself... i'll do a re-read Tues. or Wed... Thurs. at the latest...

My vote rocks. So hard.

[MeMe]

hasdgfas -- does saying the A-word help

you

or the town?

[MeMe]

hasdgfas: I just checked through and it seems that the players who've said that word in their posts (not in quote boxes) are Captain Bandwagon, curiouskarmadog, Iammars, and petroleumjelly.

I'd like to know if just

saying

it is enough or if it has to be in a certain format. If formatting is necessary, we should do a test of just a few people -- if just saying it is enough, four have already done so and I'd rather wait to make sure they don't start acting weird(er) before joining in the praise meeting.

[MeMe]

My response is: I think your vote on QuickBen is understandable. I think QuickBen's frustration with you resulting in suspicion is understandable. I think that the reason this gambit has "distracted the town" is that those who understood it have had to spend time trying to get those who didn't to be quiet and give it time to work.

I think you need to stop making this entire game about you and vote Dani Banani.

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Also -- anyone else wanna chime in on whether/how we should comply with hasdgfas's wish for us to repeat nemA?

[MeMe]

has -- what happens if you post more than two words?

[MeMe]

vote: Sarcastro

Oh shoot. Now BM thinks I'm dumb.

[MeMe]

Oh and Battle Mage, as someone once said on this site ...

why not let the votee take care of himself?

Hey! That was me!

al_ko -- your "play hasn't seemed as strong..." comment is not supported by the facts of my recent participation in any game. I don't lurk, but neither do I feel the need to be "miss prolific." If something needs to be said & it hasn't been said yet, I'll say it.

[MeMe]

You win the "cool role" lottery.

QuickBen -- what's been keeping you away today?

[MeMe]

Dear MeMe,

Please stop voting for me.

Yours sincerely,
Sarc.

Dear Sarc,

OK.

unvote: Sarcastro

xoxo,
MeMe

P.S.

vote: QuickBen

[MeMe]

It's bolded and everything.

[MeMe]

Though I'm not interested in switching my vote from Quickben (who's truly lurking -- posting elsewhere while saying he'll get to us "asap" 5 days ago), Holy's starting to look rather questionable to me. Her last few posts kind of confused me so I did a pull of all her posts -- they're kind of a study in blend.

[MeMe]

Pooky -- House only needed

three

volunteers when he played this game (second paragraph).

i'm curious about your findings on Holy, Meme. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now I'm going back and really dissecting her game history, similiar to what pj suggested I do with quickben. It's not as interesting per say, but i'm still interested to see if your thoughts parallel mine.

I'm curious if you

have

any thoughts or if you're just hoping to echo mine...in which case you'd be screwed because I already announced my findings on Holy: "they're kind of a study in blend."

[MeMe]

At about 1:40 p.m. yesterday, my time.

[MeMe]

LMAO again as I realize that MeMe has never once failed to vote me on day one of any game in which we both played.

How hard did you laugh when you realized it's day

two

?

I see no problem with MeMe having a fanboy.

Feel free to start a club.

And Talitha -- I only

look

as though I'm voting away from bandwagons because the ones I've started have gotten so few joiners.

I'll risk an Amen.

[MeMe]

About the others, MeMe is simply lurking (very annoyingly), Holy is kinda looking newb town, BM is looking town as well, and I gotta go now because Mum's being REALLY INSISTENT so I'll finish this post in about 3 hours. Sorry! and Bye!

I'm here, reading, and posting regularly. That doesn't fall into any definition of lurking

I've

ever heard. Of course, your definition of "3 hours" is different than mine as well...

[MeMe]

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

L-3

[MeMe]

L-4. Whatever.

[MeMe]

Less than 4 days to deadline -- if it's not going to be farside, we need to choose someone else pronto.

How about....oh...Quickben?

unvote: farside
vote: Quickben

[MeMe]

I'm a little afraid he's the jester -- to come in, accuse me of "lurking," and then disappear? Makes me nervous because it seems like he's just begging to be lynched.

[MeMe]

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

[MeMe]

Well I didn't care for MeMe's comment. She just votes without reason. Do I sit there and just take a vote without commenting on the lack of reasoning? It's a piss pour vote and without reason. She's been too quiet and it irks me that some people are getting away with doing that.

Walkthrough of my vote for you:

First, I voted you because I thought the Pooky-provided reason was decent. Then I

unvoted

you post-claim and suggested QuickBen as a possible counter-wagon. When questioned why I chose QuickBen over JDGA, I responded...

I'm a little afraid he's the jester -- to come in, accuse me of "lurking," and then disappear? Makes me nervous because it seems like he's just begging to be lynched.

Then, when I switched back to you, I reiterated the reason...

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

...

because he might be the jester and I'm pretty sure YOU'RE not

. Get it?

See, lynching the possible jester = not an acceptable risk. So, it's not about you or JDGA being scummier, it's about the fact that I don't think lynching you can result in losing the possibility of town finishing in first place. Seeing as I'm "too quiet," you've really got no excuse for completely missing my twice-stated reason for voting you -- as you pointed out, it's not as though I've been hiding behind a wall of words and you couldn't simply FIND what I've said.

Looking back through your posts, I find your reaction to my vote as rather unfair. I'm not the only one voting for you, and I've given a very clear reason. Why, for example, haven't you gotten all pissy about Talitha's vote on you? Bonus for the fact that she's posted even less often than I?

Note: I am NOT saying I necessarily consider Talitha suspicious at the moment -- I am pointing out that farside's irritation, if honest, should also be pointed at Talitha, who fits her stated criteria at least as well, possibly better, than I.

In short, you've just made a bit happier with my vote.

[MeMe]

I think that might actually be one of the doctor cards. Can anyone who's seen them in real life remember for sure?

unvote: farside22
vote: QuickBen

[MeMe]

Oh. Dur.

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

[MeMe]

Plurality

-- just more than anyone else has. Am I the only one who missed that completely?

And seeing as I was unaware that mith had named any of the card images on the site and I've been here for way longer than four months, I'll take my vote off.

unvote: farside22
vote: QuickBen

[MeMe]

The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me too

I haven't "flirted" with voting her, I actually

have

voted her. I unvoted her because:

1) I remembered the cards from MeMeMeet/Thespival and thought that, since she hadn't attended, she must have been PMed the actual card...only to revote her when Sarc pointed out that her claim could've easily come from mith's thread on cards.
2) unvoted her again when her non-fussy "didn't see the thread" explanation rang true to me since I

also

hadn't seen it (refer to #1).

I do find your explanation of how you were able to view the doc card to be pretty interesting and I get that scum would've been motivated to make sure they knew what a card looked like before false claiming (and even if I doubt that farside on her own would've done it, I realize that farside in a scum group may have been

handed

the information by a scumbuddy). I do think the fact that farside didn't initially claim her card but seemed rather put out that no one asked her about it sounds more "ace in the hole" than forthright. I will be online much between now and deadline & will keep my ears open (not an offer to follow Pooky blindly, but I can definitely change my vote before deadline).

but that could possibly be paranoia on my part.

Could be paranoia, or could be that you want to keep my name out there as a possible lynchee later. The three times you've mentioned me have been extremely "may/may not be scummy." Can't see much point in those kinds of statements -- if you don't have a feel one way or another on a player, why mention it?

[MeMe]

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

is this a bit of change of stance from your previous post?

Nope. The two wagons two which I referred here were JDGA and farside22 -- and I've stated I don't want to be voting a possible jester, which I think JDGA could be. What's your confusion?

[MeMe]

grr -- should be "two wagons TO which..."

[MeMe]

Well, that's not what you said...

[MeMe]

unvote: Ameliaslay
vote: Monkey

[MeMe]

Right with you, pj.

vote: farside22

[MeMe]

I don't think anyone's forgotten that, ckd -- see 1) Sarc's post where he pointed out that mith had already said elsewhere on the site what the pic on the doctor card was and 2) Talitha's demonstration of how easy it was to find Thesp's doc card link.

[MeMe]

unvote: farside22

If I've counted correctly, that leaves her with five votes. Since we have four players yet to check in today, I think the elbow-room is prudent.

[MeMe]

Question: Meme, can't remember the page ref. but earlier in the game in the discussion of alts you mentioned you thought I was the least likely to use one, any particular reason for that judgement?

My post was a response to this one...

@MeMe- are you sure some of those on the 'NOT' list are not alts of people who were there?

And here it is, in its entirety...

Not completely sure, but the only other scummers NOT on my list who were there (as far as memory and the group pic serves) are:

Ameliaslay
Atticus
Dirge
kristocker
mlaker
spork76
Thesp

The only one of those players I'm not 100% certain isn't using an alt in this game is Ameliaslay -- and I can't see her bothering.

So, I was considering a very small pool of players of whom you were the only one I didn't know for certain wasn't playing the game (Atticus and Dirge live in my house...mlaker and spork76 are family friends...Thesp's the mod...kristocker's too busy). As I said, I couldn't see you bothering to hide behind an alt, especially in a game in which your presence AS Ameliaslay would be desired.

[MeMe]

I am free to point out that I noticed that he was cleared by the dead cop.

Where?

[MeMe]

There's no way that means "I investigated Pooky and found him to be innocent." Check the very

next

post al_ko submits...

Why wouldn't I be town?

Because you enjoy slaughtering your sheep.

And an earlier one (still Day 2) that questions Iammars' clearing of Pooky.

I fail to see how that makes Pooky protown. MoS can back me when I say we played a (I think it was C9) mafia game where he, though town, formed an elaborate plan that did not help the town. In all honesty though, I was scum that game and because of the information I derived from day, Pooky's plan would have been best for the town in that situation . Town still won nonetheless.

Why twice publicly question the alignment of a player he knows to be town?

But your attempt at baiting me was

super

-cute!

[MeMe]

I believe that everyone except for tyhess has posted since Pooky asked for those targeting Tally to reveal. That means at least one of the people he's claiming to have seen has been online since then...and either that player has decided not to say so or Pooky's making this up.

Is there another possibility I'm missing? If not, it's time for Pooky to name names.

[MeMe]

vote: farside22

[MeMe]

3. Ross Williams

...
Connecting the dots: "i'm curious about your findings on

Holy

,

Meme

. I had kinda been overlooking her, and now" Two players (Holy and MeMe) also named on farside's short and recent scumlist.

You do understand that RW was asking about my findings on Holy -- not someone's findings on Holy and me both, right? Because that makes your "two players

also

named on farside's scumlist" point oddly made since I'm

not

on RW's scumlist here.

3. MeMe

...
MeMe seems to think that there was a possibility that Farside22 may be the Jester.

Back this up, please.

[MeMe]

Follow your own link, then look two posts up at the post to which I was responding.

[MeMe]

Great. Top of the page lends itself to even

more

misinterpretation. Just to make sure it's clear:

3. MeMe

...
MeMe seems to think that there was a possibility that Farside22 may be the Jester.

Back this up, please.

Of course. http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 948#930948

Follow the link you provided, look two posts up, and you'll see that I was responding to RW asking me why I prefer voting farside to JDGA (you).

[MeMe]

First -- there's no way that you could've possibly thought I meant farside. I said that the person in question had come in, accused me of lurking, and disappeared. I also reiterated a couple of other times (here and here) that I didn't want JDGA lynched because his joker likelihood seemed high to me. Your obvious intelligence coupled with your habit of misinterpretation is doing nothing to make me think you don't hold the jester card.

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As for dismissing your "case"? That's not a case -- it's just a bunch of words. Watch this, I can do it too:

Beep! Beep!

List maker -- something anti-town roles do all the time to look helpful. Lists obviously aren't honest or she'd vote those she names as her tops suspects.

Accuses broadly -- eventually one of her accusations might stick...but seems unconcerned who that actually might be. So, possibly just trying to piss enough people off so that she'll actually be lynched herself, making her jester possibility high.

Gets facts clearly stated in the thread altogether wrong or applies too much meaning to them (as in the case with al_ko "clearing" Pooky).

Demands specific content from others while stalling when asked to do the same. If the tasks are easy enough for her to think someone else should be able to do them, why are they so hard for her?

Chases the spotlight...which is another reason to think she holds an "important" role that doesn't need to protect itself (i.e. jester).

alko (cop) suggested that wolfcrier/Beep! Beep! be killed overnight for fear of being the jester.

Talitha (townie) thought that wolfcrier should be pressured because something was "definitely up" and later renewed vote on Beep! Beep! where it stayed until the end of Day 2.

Monkey (doctor) had his vote on JDGA/Beep! Beep! at the end of Day 2.

And, wow. That's actually quite a bit better than just a "collection of words."

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I will go ahead and blow down your word collection because I'm awesome like that.

Wishy-washy

Borderline slanderous. I've voted who I thought needed to be voted & unvoted when I thought that's what should be done. Most of my reasons (beyond early random) were stated in the thread and I've been consistent in my suspicions, documenting mind-changes when they occured.

lurkerish

I'm reading/contributing and somehow managing to do so without verbiage. How cool is that?

Keeps being mentioned by farside22

And

you

keep being mentioned by people you claim to believe are scum -- can't accuse me for this "point" without accusing yourself for the same. So, this is looking like binder to beef up your paragraph on me.

Deadline voted Monkey no explanation given

Context is key here. My vote switch was to keep you (the competing wagon) from being lynched. Can you remember the reason I didn't want JDGA/you lynched? See, the reason

was

given, just

earlier

. And, just a little observation: how can you claim a vote switch that saved your role from being lynched as part of a case against me? Logic dictates that only a jester or scum would consider it against town interests to be saved...

Talitha wrote: "So my vote is staying on farside - my gut just says she is scum. The way MeMe is flirting with voting her, but really doesn't want to be voting her, is suspicious to me too, but that could possibly be paranoia on my part. " Maybe that's why Talitha had to die.

I'll, once again, direct your attention to the fact that Talitha ended Day 2 with a vote on

you

.

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Now, to the thread at large

: I'm thinking it's probably to the point that it's worthwhile to consider a couple of jester possibilities and direct night kills in their direction. If, say, the majority name me as most likely to be jester, we tell scum to kill me overnight and resolve to lynch me if I'm not dead in the morning...basically, we can control the mafia kill in this way (I know that scum might not "obey," but they also don't want the jester LYNCHED, so they

should

obey). I've been thinking about what Talitha said about scum trying to look jesterish to keep the noose away and this should discourage that behavior or at least take away our fear of lynching them as, if they're not dead, they're

scum

, as doc obviously won't protect the town's nightkill choice.

Please poke holes in this plan if I'm missing something obvious.

[MeMe]

Oh! Roleblocker. But if the plan works otherwise, blocker just shouldn't block?

[MeMe]

Vote: MeMe

OK....

If you're saying there's a problem with my plan, please point it out because I'm starting to fall in love with it.

[MeMe]

hehe. I

hope

you are not hanging on a small detail that was unclear to dismiss the entirety of my case.

You still have a LOT to answer for -- saying my case is "so far off the mark" and then only addressing the farside portion is pretty funny -- especially since you did so

incorrectly

.

Demands specific content from others while stalling when asked to do the same. If the tasks are easy enough for her to think someone else should be able to do them, why are they so hard for her?

...where did I say that you gave her a deadline? Nowhere -- but you know perfectly well that you DID pressure her.

Please give three more. There are reasons why I asked for seven.

If you had 3 more to pick from the 10 players that didn't make your list, who would they be? It's not that hard.

I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.

Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.

look forward to reading yours as well

I've made my list of suspects plenty clear and abundantly detailed.

I don't mind doing it again.

But farside goes first. 'Cuz I asked first.

I reiterate. I have asked for 7 for a good reason.

AFTER farside.

Not a minute before.

Like I said. There is a reason.

And are you kidding with this??

The take home message is that MeMe is giving the scum (a group I believe she might belong to) an "excuse" for the nightkill she might be planning as scum, i.e., by painting me as the Jester. Painted as the Jester, no one would look back at my posts after my death, and wonder if the scum feared I might have hit too many bullseyes, and had to kill me. *Maybe*

The only way no one's going to look back at the posts of a player "painted as the jester" who gets killed overnight is if they ARE the jester or scum.

The reason lynches are a town tool is because the decision-making is public and by majority. What I'm attempting to do is make the night work the

same way

-- if we direct the scum kill and it turns out to be a bad one, we have the opportunity to look at who was on the "jester kill wagon" and react appropriately,

just like we can for a lynch

. At the moment, the town & scum have a shared goal: make sure the jester doesn't get lynched, which makes the plan viable.

I'd appreciate anyone clearly explaining to me why this plan won't work. And, no, saying "she must be scum for suggesting it!" isn't the same thing as disproving its value.

[MeMe]

So, you have no problem with the plan? Just with the fact that it's being proposed by me at this time?

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Beep! Beep! this isn't aggression, but it's interesting you feel attacked. I corrected a demonstrable inaccuracy in your post against me. You then suggested I was dismissing your case, so I showed you how easy it is to fill space with words and

call

it a case...only after I did so, I realized that there's actually quite a bit to be said about you (and mine were

actual

points -- not just adjectives masquerading as points). I then went ahead blew all your other "points" against me down so that you'd be unable to pretend I was avoiding doing so.

Now -- you're strawmanning, for a second time, the deadline farside didn't get from you. It's not a point I made, but it seems to be the only one you want to address. Keep at it and people might start to think you're unable to defend against all the points that I actually

did

make against you.

[MeMe]

So, you prefer that the mafia decide its own kill rather than the town deciding together who it should be? This is getting

extremely

interesting.

[MeMe]

Bah @ top of the page posts -- here's the one to which I was responding, for reference sake.

So, you have no problem with the plan? Just with the fact that it's being proposed by me at this time?

It is a HUGE problem though. Besides, I'm sure the scum and the vig are on the lookout for Jester behavior, and don't need to be directed. I don't think it's useful, and as you point out, "roleblocker."

Concerning the case you've made against me, I'll leave it to the other players to decide whether or not it's worthwhile. I trust their judgment.

Let the others weigh in on the value of its content, your timing and choice of target, your change in behavior when one player begins to cast doubt on your townieness, and your sudden urge to coordinate night choices.

Also, another quick note because it made me laugh...according to your vote, you're pretending to believe I'm

already

coordinating the mafia kill, so you calling it a "sudden urge" doesn't even make sense.

It's an idea, pure and simple -- and one that I believe can work. Disparaging me doesn't disparage

it

. Is there anyone other than me who thinks it's got a decent shot of working? Can it possibly hurt us to

try

it?

[MeMe]

Oh good -- I see MoS is in the forum.

MoS

, Could you please tell me what's broken about the plan if that's the rationale you have for voting me?

[MeMe]

I don't understand that. Possible that it will work, but not probable?

[MeMe]

A possibility seems kind of worth it to me, but I'm willing to be talked out of it if there's some way that it could be exploited -- but I haven't yet heard what's wrong with it.

It's possible I'm contracting tunnel-vision, but since we currently have a common goal with the mafia (kill jester overnight), why not force their hand? If they don't do it, they run the risk of us lynching that person (possible jester, according to majority) and losing the game, so it seems likely to me if scum don't kill him/her, the person has a better-than-average chance of BEING scum.

Amen.

[MeMe]

Again, accusing me isn't the same thing as showing a flaw in the plan. What about it won't

work

??

--I realized that, if this plan goes into action, the blocker can't block or it'd taint the results (if the MAJORITY-APPROVED target doesn't die, it could be because the blocker prevented it from happening, duh)
--And we're depending on the scum wanting to win as much as town does, that's all.

Right now, I can't see any pro-town role having a problem with trying this. Jester won't like it. Scum won't like if one of their own has been

playing

jester. Can someone troubleshoot it rather than simply saying that only scum would suggest this?

pj or Pooky maybe?

[MeMe]

I'm asking two players I know both 1) play to win and 2) are intelligent enough to actually parse an idea and give feedback. Anyone else wanting to gain the high opinion I afford these two, regardless of their alignment, is welcome to respond as well -- I'm even willing to consider

you

, if you wanna give it a shot, B!B!

Note: explain concept of "to self" to B!B! after the game.

[MeMe]

MeMe: You're plan would be better except for the fact that we don't know who the Jester is. The scum's not going to listen to a town consensus. That'd just be the town directing the mafia kill. I have a strong feeling we have a vig though, and that'd be a good person to try to direct.

It's

because

we don't know who the jester is that I'm proposing the plan in the first place. Everyone except the jester would be giving honest opinions during a daytime discussion about who they think is likely jester -- mafia would be involved in this discussion and, therefore, should be willing to kill the resulting nominee.

I don't

think

this is naive; mafia want jester killed at night too.

[MeMe]

Ross -- that is exactly what I'm saying.

Amelia -- that's almost the opposite of what I'm trying to do. Obviously every lynch is a "risk" that we'll hit the jester. My plan is an attempt to make it

less

of one. If we all agree someone looks scummy/nutty, isn't that someone less likely to be town?

I smell opportunism in the "plan bad = MeMe scum" votes, possibly even an attempt to save farside (for tomorrow? because she's a partner?). It's hard to imagine that anyone could actually believe that trying to bring all factions together to find the jester is a BAD thing. I'm actually surprised that's no one's tried to fix what they think is broken in it -- even a counter of "well, I don't think the plan works, but it would be worthwhile to make sure everyone posts

jester: thisPlayer

so nightkillers have a majority view." Why throw everything out?

That said, if it's only RW and myself who will publicly admit to seeing value in it, I may as well drop it (though I'd still

love

to hear from those who've either avoided commenting on it/not been in the thread for the last 36 hours or so). I wonder if more people would be willing to try it if they weren't scared of being accused for daring to agree!

[MeMe]

Well, that's a better explanation of why the plan might not work than any other submitted, MoS...but I'm not sure why you believe the mafia possess better jester-discovery powers than the rest of us.

[MeMe]

Oh.

I was trying to come up with some funny little thing about "the day BM beats MeMe is logic is a sad day indeed..." but I'm just so embarrassed.

[MeMe]

*in logic

[MeMe]

So sorry -- but deadlines at work are killing me and the sudden "spotlight" exposed to me how little extra time I actually have for this.

mathcam has agreed to take over my role, if that's OK with you. If not, I'll stay in and keep looking for my own replacement so you don't have to do so. If/when you give the go-ahead, I'll forward my role PM to him.

Thesp has just signed off on this, so this'll be my last post. It was fun, but just too much for me right now.

Thanks, mathcam!

[MeMe]

Maybe it's just vanity -- but I didn't feel in any way "obvious" at the point I left the game. The attacks on me were noisy but manageable -- and, in truth, my ill-conceived suggestion was TRULY one I thought was awesome from a pro-town standpoint, so much so that MoS's unexplained vote on me made me worried that he'd be damned for it! How's THAT for hubris? I simply didn't see the "mafia know more" angle until it was stated (yes, I can be vain and idiotic at the same time. Respect, yo). I knew there was some work to be done, but I had no worries that I'd be

able

to do it...I simply didn't have the time to post several times a day and it was obvious that my team would be best served if I got someone in here who could put in more time. I mean, it's possible I would've been lynched (no way to be 100% sure one way or the other), but if it was a true fear, I'd not have dished the job off to someone else because I'm not that kind of player -- and it made me gnash my teeth to be accused of "running away" once I'd been replaced.

Anyway, I'm

extremely

grateful to mathcam for agreeing to come into the game in my place. If he'd said no, I would have just kept playing myself in limited capacity as I can't think of a single person (who wasn't already playing) I'd have trusted to take over. I knew the situation needed finesse and knew that Cam could and would provide it because doing a good job is important to him -- plus, he's amazing.

Thesp -- great game. I enjoyed playing while I was in and reading until the end.

Holy, you were awesome.

mathcam, you were awesomer.

[MeMe]

The plan was hatched overnight...just the kills turned out differently than were projected. Basically, a win was in reach, but no one thought it WOULD be the night before.

(Reading the night chats was excruciating fun once I was out)