Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[Battle Mage]

/conform

Always knew you would eventually.

/CONFIRM!

[Battle Mage]

Will post on Thursday. Maths exam tomoz. Wish me Luck!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Blah blah random votes blah.

Random votes are the devil. (We've got to kill the devil...)

Alright, first things first. The Jester should come out so we don't lynch him or her today. That's in everyone's best interests, right? Except the Mafia's. Jester, if you get lynched today, you lose. So you should come out now so that doesn't happen.

Hopefully the Mafia won't pretend to be the Jester, that would totally screw up this plan.

Mafia, did you follow all that? Don't pretend to be the Jester. MeMe? Got it?

Pooky, what do you think of the random voting so far?

I like this plan. I AM TEH JESTER!

[Battle Mage]

Im still reading. Page 4 and GS is making alot of sense. I think i see what Mith is trying to do, but I cant fault GS's logic.

And no Al Ko, i'm not ACTUALLY claiming Jester as in the role. rofl.

Hint= Look at my title.

BM

[Battle Mage]

PJ and Mith arent making total sense to me on the Jester issue. I mean surely, the Jester is better off claiming on Day

2

when they dont risk being lynched on Day 1. And it means they only have to survive 1 night, and according to the Pooky theory, they win, right?

[Battle Mage]

Ok, my suspicions so far:

Suspects:
Dani Banani-scummy interaction with the GS wagon. And other weird bits pointed out by others. Top suspect for scum so far.
PetroleumJelly- Same reasons as Mith, with the addition of the suspicious use of an FOS when a vote is perhaps more appropriate. Post 182 smells terrible.
IamMars- Slip up with potential hidden knowledge?
Al Ko- Clearly trying hard not to upset anyone. Scummy reason behind avoiding confrontation?
MoS – Acting about as scummy as is possible. Kind of hard to see him as scum though, due to obviousness of scummy play.
Mith- Poor logic earlier on. I would like confirmation that he was trying to trap the Jester before I let him off the hook. Prime suspect for Jester-hood atm.
Captain Bandwagon- Not especially scummy, but VERY annoying. Just wanted that to be noted. Lol

Vote: Dani Banani

BM

[Battle Mage]

(Hey I can finally get on) after reading this whole thing Mith seems very scummy but I am reluctent to vote..

Why does Mith seem very scummy?
Why are you reluctant to vote?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Im still reading. Page 4 and GS is making alot of sense. I think i see what Mith is trying to do, but I cant fault GS's logic.

And no Al Ko, i'm not ACTUALLY claiming Jester as in the role. rofl.

Hint= Look at my title.

BM

So are you claiming not Jester?

I'm not the Jester, although in honesty, even if i was, i wouldnt claim at this point. lol

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?

The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM = Badplay Mage

Don't you see it? You bloody idiot. The jester has the best chance of winning if he claims now. Why risk getting lynched or NK'd?

Also, please answer post #238 by RW.

Please continue being a retard. It suits you. I read Pooky's logic and frankly, it can be improved upon. If the Jester claims on Day 2, he not only saves himself from future NK's, but also avoids the Day 1 pitfall lynch. He only has to avoid 1 NK, and hes home free.

My analysis of you is looking pretty good right about now.

Ill respond to other posts tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?

The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.

BM

You gotta be kidding me.

FOS: BATTLE MAGE

Whats the case on him then, Poirot?
FoS's are lame. Dont be a pussy. Make it a vote.

BM

[Battle Mage]

umm upon further inspection, ive already responded to post 238. Please purchase some glasses kthxbai.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage i noticed Greasy Spot is missing from your suspect list. I'm curious as to why you find him innocent?

The wagon on him was a ridiculous facade for some wierd ploy to off the Jester. There is absolutely no reason to suspect him atm, hence he is not on the list.

BM

You gotta be kidding me.

FOS: BATTLE MAGE

Whats the case on him then, Poirot?
FoS's are lame. Dont be a pussy. Make it a vote.

BM

Nice attempts to draw me into a flame war, but that's not the point of this game. Why the FOS? Because I'm already voting GS. I'm voting him for the following reasons:

Pooky's rock solid case in #62 shouldn't leave any question about the jester claiming D1. Despite that, GS continued to stir up the pot. The strategy is both pro-jester and pro-town, so only scum would be unhappy with it. PJ cleared things up even more in #92, but GS pretends not to understand to confuse things even more. It isn't until #98 that he even admits that he could be wrong. In #106, he made a very sarcastic post that pinged my scumdar like an asteroid.

And you say there's no case against him? Something's fishy here. Are you trying to dig your own grave?

Nice attempt to suck upto Pooky. But in actuality his case was far from completely 'rock solid', which i have already addressed, had you been reading. Im not even sure you have read Pooky's case in its entirety, as i seem to recall him also highlighting how the Jester claiming was very pro-scum too. If i'd been here, i'd have probably behaved the exact same way as GS. Ill go back and read post 106, to see whether that alone constitutes suspicion, but if you think you have enough for a well educated vote, you are sorely mistaken.

[Battle Mage]

BM, you have to at least admit that it's extremely plausible to hold a case against Greasy spot, regardless of whether or not your personally believe it or not. Denying any kind of plausibility when it's blatantly there for all who can read just makes you look scummy.

Speaking of GS, am I just silly or is he keeping a low profile now? he doesn't do much to help his case. Nobody likes a formerly scummy lurker.

Well yes i recognise that lots of people seem to think there is a case on him. I just think they are wrong. lol
The main reason behind his wagon was his attitude to the Jester issue, something which i can totally relate to. Thats not to say he isnt scum, but atm, there is absolutely no reason why i would vote for him.

@Captain Bandwagon- LAWL. You think just because someone doesnt agree with you, they are clearly a rulebreaking alt user? Im offended. and

Mith

can confirm awareness of any and all multiple accounts i am in possession of, as can moderators of all my games in which it is an issue. Let me guess. Are you the alt of Jdodge? or Quagmire?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why would the town choose to lynch the Jester on day one BM?

Because the town doesnt want the Jester to win, and for the reasons highlighted extensively by you, if the Jester claims, he will almost certainly not be NKed, and thus, will very likely win, which does not benefit the town.

@IamMars- Dont know who Disciple Slayer is either. Probably for the best. lol

@GS-your erratic voting really isnt helping anyone.

@MeMe- :good posting:

BM

[Battle Mage]

FYI: I've been assured that Battle Mage and Greasy Spot post from different IPs. Carry on.

Muahahaha! The plan is falling into place. Quick my proxied pal, lets run up Dani-scum!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm amused that Battle Mage is defending Greasy Spot by saying Pooky's case is illogical while Greasy Spot now agrees with the case that the Jester should claim today. BM is acting like he and GS are kindred spirits in thought process, when their own opinions seem to differ.

Pooky made a case? I thought we were talking about Pooky's discussion on the theory behind the Jester role...
My thoughts are, if enough people bully someone with enough force for enough time, eventually they give in. One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong. But there comes a time when you doubt yourself, especially in a game of this nature, im amazed to find myself disagreeing with so many legends of the game.
As for GS's views, i think post 269 will suffice as an explanation.

BM

[Battle Mage]

How does the Jester win if the town knows who he is?

eh? After Day 1, there is little the town can do to stop him (excluding a potential Vig).

As for your subsequent validation, i'm still confused. You seem to be picking holes in YOUR OWN ARGUMENT. If the claimed Jester has to make the town lose in order to win, then why do we want him alive and claimed? Equally, why the hell would we want him around in the first place? The rules state that if the Jester meets his win condition, he wins and the rest of us fight for second place. Now, im not as experienced as alot of people here, but i did participate in JESTER MAFIA, and in that game i was scum, and the Jester met his win condition, meaning even by beating the town in awesome fashion, we only got 2nd place. Im not going to argue over the mentalities of players here, but speaking personally, id rather eliminate 1 anti-town force today if possible, and if the Jester claims, i'm going to want to run him up. I doubt im the only one, and from the Jesters perspective, i can see why he would wait till tomorrow to claim.

BM

*dont ask me why im even bothering arguing this in defence of the Jester. I just HATE lies stated as fact.

[Battle Mage]

Once again, the Jester claiming helps the Jester AND the Jester claiming helps the Town. There is no contradiction here, because there is a third side: the Jester claiming hurts the Mafia. Having someone we know to be not-Mafia helps us in our Mafia hunting, obviously.

The Jester needs to claim

ASAP

, because with every post that passes, there is more and more chance that the scum will realize that the Jester is unsure or a moron, and will jump in with a fake claim. A fake claim from the Mafia would absolutely devestate the plan.

Battle Mage, you haven't actually said whether or not you are the Jester - only that you weren't claiming to be. So, as with GS, I will ask you directly: Are you the Jester?

In other news, there are still 8 players not voting at all, and I would guess that at least a couple of the other votes are random (too lazy to check). We are now five realtime days into Day 1, and I once against strongly suggest that

everyone make a non-random vote by the time we hit the one rt week mark

. I will be looking closely at anyone who posts before then but doesn't vote.

This is not in conjunction with Pooky's views, which is interesting. I'm pretty sure i've already answered that question Mith.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Pooky you forget one thing. Lynching the Jester Day 1 and lynching him at endgame are different in that by lynching him on Day 1, we dont end up coming absolute last.

BM

[Battle Mage]

then it wouldn't hurt you to do it again instead of being snide and making yourself look even more obnoxious, not to mention scummy

And to think, i was trying so hard to be polite, and avoid getting into a flame war.
Fyi, theres a difference between being snide and not wanting to repeat yourself over and over again, especially if something is rather complicated to explain.

Anyway, you can bandy about personal insults all you like, but if you call someone scummy on this site, its generally accepted that you should give some reasoning. As long as you have more of a case than 'he argued with Mith' 'he doesnt see the logic behind the jester claiming' and 'i dont like him', im sure everyone will be very happy to hear it.

BM

@Pooky- i didnt want to get into an argument like this... -.-
Simply put, id rather finish 2nd than 3rd.

BM

[Battle Mage]

there is no 2nd. Loss is a Loss.

I'm not wasting a lynch just to make sure one person loses, you're the only one in this game that feels this way about it BM.

I wouldnt count on that, but even if it is the case, im going to stick by my personal targets for the game. You do what you like, but i'd strongly reccommend reading the rules either way lol.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Pooky made a case?

I'm surprised you've been around this long and you still don't know a case when you see one.

Im surprised you feel able to make such criticisms, when you have no experience yourself.

One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong.

And when your instincts are wrong? You can't play this game on instincts alone. You have to base your judgments and decisions on logic.

True, but thats generally the way i play. It means im not always right, but often that i pick up on things that the majority of people don't, which can be incredibly useful. I personally find players who give in to peer pressure in games such as this when the players disagreeing with them are unconfirmed, less than brilliant.

Actually I've decided that it's dumb to do back and forth with you because we're moving closer to the deadline and we need the Jester to understand that my case is ironclad.

The only way the Jester wins is by making the Town Lose in the endgame if he has been revealed.

Basically the Jester effectively moves the town one day closer to the endgame if he claims and survives till then.

However LYNCHING the jester does EXACTLY the same thing as not lynching him. By lynching him, we are ALSO moving the game one day closer to the endgame, which is the same thing we do if we leave him alive.

EXCEPT WHEN WE LEAVE HIM ALIVE, WE HAVE A CHANCE OF LYNCHING MAFIA, WHEREAS IF WE LYNCH HIM WE HAVE NO CHANCE OF LYNCHING MAFIA.

So yea, I'd guess keeping him alive is the town's best play.

In

bold

is the heart of the argument. We don't want to waste time lynching non-scum.

Anti town is anti town.

*dont ask me why im even bothering arguing this in defence of the Jester. I just HATE lies stated as fact.

I wonder how you play as scum, then. Do you go out announcing to everyone "Hey, guess what? I hate lies, so I'm scum"?

BM, why don't you just give us a clear, non-ambiguous reply to mith in #276? You're emitting a plethora of scum-confusion tactics from your miserable, obnoxious self. Do you like being unpopular? Does it make you feel better to have a bad reputation on MS as being one of the most unfun players to play with?

When you have completed your first newbie game on the site, i suggest you have a read of some of my games as scum then. Miserable and obnoxious? you old flatterer!
Im still not convinced by claims that you're the alt of an experienced player. But you clearly have some reason for disliking me, outside this game, seeing as i've actually been making an effort here. A bit of advice kid, if you ask someone a favour, being polite is a MUST. Dont expect anyone to take you seriously if all you do is make nonsenical comments and unwarranted insults.

Pooky's post #280 should leave

no doubt

for the jester to claim. At this point, an unclaimed jester is a

bad

jester.

If that is the case, the Jester will see your obvious logic and claim. Im not seeing it though. Sucking upto Pooky won't win you any favours with me either.

And to think, i was trying so hard to be polite, and avoid getting into a flame war.

Lies. I know what's going on in the minds of attention-seeking players like you. You act as a detriment to the town in every game you play, regardless of your role. It's a playstyle that's hard to read, but it's also a playstyle that isn't enjoyable to participate with. Do you like having fun at the expense of other people? If yes, what does that make you? Why bother pulling a Slayer's Gambit? It's not a good way of catching scum and it only serves to confuse the town even further.

Wow, do i know you? ROFL.
And

I'm

being attention seeking? Lol.
Anyways seeing as im trying to put extra effort into this game, down to the fact Thesp let me play in such a legend field, i'm not going to respond to your baiting. If you want to discuss any personal issues outside of the game, i'm a good listener, and hopefully i'll get you straightened out. If you have genuine concerns about my play, please do show me where i've acted as a detriment to the town here. Oh and btw, pointing out the failures in the reasoning of the majority doesnt count.

Conclusion: I know what the B in BM stands for. Bad play. Unless he's deliberately being anti-town, in which case we should lynch him as soon as possible.

Actually no. If you'd read my name, the B stands for Battle and the M is for Mage. Thats why some people call me Battle Mage.
And as a general rule, in acronyms, 1 letter tends not to represent 2 distinct words.
As far as your reasoning goes, i'm intrigued to hear why you would think being 'DELIBERATELY ANTI-TOWN' would be lynchworthy in a game where several people, yourself included, are paranoid about a Jester?

@the jester: if you're worried about getting lynched D1 after your claim, there's no chance of that happening. We're not horrible players who only seek to make one person lose. I'm sure the town would rather have a higher chance of finishing second place instead of a much lower chance of winning it outright.

I'm gonna call Appeal to Emotion here.

Here's how your not claiming hurts the town:

1. It gives scum the opportunity to claim jester, which is incredibly detrimental to us.

In case you hadnt realised, its probably wise to point out that this point is total bollocks. Scum can claim Jester at any time. Its not as if we are going to take the first Jester claim at face value. lol

3. A late jester claim, as elaborated on by Pooky and mith, can be devastating for the town in the end-game.

Actually, they also pointed out how a Jester claim full stop can be detrimental to the town.

If you just claim now, all those problems will go away, and we can turn our attention to catching scum instead of wasting our time on figuring out who the jester is.

Or we could just try and catch scum anyway. I think thats what most of us are currently trying to do, but this discussion is immensely distracting.
And a personal note here: If you are town, and want me to catch scum, intentionally setting out to f*** up my scumdar by making this into a personal issue, is extremely short-sighted, and yup, you guessed it- detrimental to the welfare of the town.

BM

*oh and for those who clearly havent been reading, ill say it a 3rd time. I'm not the Jester. 0.o

[Battle Mage]

You know the really sad part is that we're spending an inordinate amount of time on the Jester when we really need to be looking for scum. Currently, GS and BM are my favorites for lynch today just from the distraction they've caused from our true purpose- finding and lynching scum.

Inconsistency much?
You criticise GS and myself for distracting the town from hunting scum, when the point we've been making is that we should stop wasting time with the Jester, and GET ON WITH HUNTING SCUM.
Suspecting the two most controversial players seems like a very easy option.

Unvote, Vote: QuickBen

@GS- im not following post 306. How would lynching you allow the Jester to win?

CKD is making an astounding amount of sense... :O

BM

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP

@BM: Elaborate on #277. Explain to us how you think mith's and Pooky's views differ.

If you'd read Pooky's comments, you'd see that he explained how the Jester claiming helped the scum. Mith on the other hand, was keen to promote how the Jester claiming hurt them.

BM

[Battle Mage]

GAH! Was going to post last night and got sidetracked and lost my post.

In summary:
I'm not the Jester, but I do agree with the Jester needing to come out as soon as possible.

Don't think Greasy Spot is very scummy, because, like Dani Banani, I thought the same things at Thespival.

I like the idea of the Cult of the Couch not using his power until later in the game when we can have a more strong idea as to what effects it will have.

I don't think Iammars slip was very scummy either.

I would agree but the 1 doubt that keeps coming into my mind is that if I say I'm going to recruit a scum, then the scum NK's me. Now you know who a scum wold be, but theres also huge WIFOM there......I'd like to hear more opinions

There is no avoiding this since everything is public anyways. Or am I missing the point?

@ALL If you lynch me the Jester will win and the Town will be well on its way to losing.

?

In response to Battle Mage's view of the jester situation: You state that you are playing in a legendary field of players, but you seem to have no respect for their experience or thoughts. This is shown through your blatant denial of the whole plan. This is doubly shocking when EVERYONE from Thespival playing in this game agrees with the plan. Do you think we are all idiots? Do you think we are all lying? Are we all mafia? I'm going to have to guess no. As I said before I understand the confusion on this topic, but to not back off after so much opposition is questionable at the very least.

Vote: Battle Mage

Try metagaming. Thats just how i play. Hell ive even said it twice in this game alone. I dont get pushed around by people. Furthermore, its not unlikely that this crew from Thespival actually has a motive for lying. But then, of course you probably havent considered the possibility that the whole thing is a setup designed to out and eliminate the Jester. Either way, apparently im not the only one who feels this way, as the Jester STILL HAS NOT CLAIMED, and Mith is still my prime suspect for that role.

Out of interest, why do you find GS's criticisms of the logic of those at Thespival to be reasonable, and mine to be inherently scummy, despite admitting that YOU also shared those views when you were at Thespival?

BM

[Battle Mage]

this little post stuck out to me, BM has already answered the question...why would it make him more scummy if he doesnt answer it again? Seems like you just wanted a reason to say something and look town here. please explain.

All right, I'll explain, even though it's not really too complex. You don't think it looks scummy to dance around a question evasively? Well, I do. is that enough explanation?

And I would think of something very clever to acronymize BM into, but a wise old guru once told me don't feed the trolls.

And thirdly, all this second-place or third place crap is ridiculous. I feel like we're a bunch of three year olds arguing over a four-square game. Come on people. And finally, can we lease get more detailed arguments than just "A" is "A" or "X" or "X". really, people, Bullcrap is Bullcrap. rant over.

Lol, i didnt realise the BM-haters society had formed and now had its own thread on MS.
Dont you kids have anything better to do? Play mafia maybe?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:

SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)

BM

[Battle Mage]

Everyone be sure to read this post.

What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.

Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.

This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspect

and also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched

.

What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.

Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.

Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.

But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know that

best play for the Jester is to claim Day 2

, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.

Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.

Sorry. I guess i wasnt told about this trap. -.-
If i see people, especially well respected people such as yourselves making crazy logic its natural impulse to say so.
Anyway, before you revealed this, i'd have liked to see explanations from those newer players who hopped on the Jester pushing BW. Im almost positive that not everyone was aware of the trap, and highly suspicious of those who went along with it. Post 324 doesnt exactly fill me with confidence concerning MeMe either...
Oh and despite me kinda fucking up a plan, i'd still like to say:

SCREW YOU CAPTAIN BANDWAGON! (this kind of also applies to anyone who legitimately said i was talking crap)

BM

Exactly my point. I can't believe you didn't see it, hence my frustration.

Who are you an alt of? Were you at Thespival?

BM

[Battle Mage]

[written before I read mith's post]

Out of interest, why do you find GS's criticisms of the logic of those at Thespival to be reasonable, and mine to be inherently scummy, despite admitting that YOU also shared those views when you were at Thespival?

You will not lay-off, especially in light of the fact that you state that this is a very experienced group. You'd think you would have done so to some degree. GS is a prime example of this. Thinking more on this I'm not sure how well-founded my vote is, because it seems odd for a mafia to put himself out so much... however you just may do that as scum. As you have pointed out, I have not meta-gamed your play.[/written before]

Unvote: Battle Mage

I don't see the point to killing the trap? Would it really have been so detrimental to keep it going?

Well it wouldve confused the heck outta me, and probably lead to a mislynch because some people thought Mith and co. were being serious.

I'd still like a list of who here WASNT at Thespival.

Thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

wow simulposts.

@MeMe- are you sure some of those on the 'NOT' list are not alts of people who were there?

BM

[Battle Mage]

overreaction much?

FoS: GS

I hope you are kidding.

[Battle Mage]

@MoS-i didnt know it was a trap, and genuinely thought that perhaps some of the more experienced players on the site had their wires crossed. In any case, seeing as its pretty likely that one of the players at Thespival is the Jester, it wouldnt have made any difference.

Quickben and Dani Banani are both acceptable lynches today. Not quite sure i have the stomach to lynch Mith atm. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

When did I become an acceptable lynch BM?

See the post in which i voted for you originally. If you need further clarification, come back and ask again.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, do you want the Jester to claim?

Yes, but all things considered, i'm quite happy to wait until tomorrow for him to do so.

I'm going to read back in the next day or 2 and look for scummy reactions to the Jester discussion.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Would you prefer the Jester to claim today or tommorrow BM?

I dont think it really matters. Obviously id prefer a claim today, but only on the premise that we actually lynch the Jester. As it is apparent that those at Thespival have other ideas, i dont see much difference.

Are these questions going anywhere?

BM

[Battle Mage]

If you prefer a jester claim today, why did you argue against having the jester claim?

I've already explained this. 0.o
I saw a load of experienced players claiming something as logical which didnt make sense. Gut reaction, i make a song and dance about it.
Thats all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

My thoughts are, if enough people bully someone with enough force for enough time, eventually they give in. One of the main characteristics (good or bad) about me is that i tend to stick to my instincts even in the face of every other player saying im wrong. But there comes a time when you doubt yourself, especially in a game of this nature, im amazed to find myself disagreeing with so many legends of the game.

I guess your instincts sure failed you here.

Erm, did you even read that before quoting it?
My instincts were spot on. Unfortunately i wasnt aware of the bigger picture.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM- I bet you're the guy yelling out how the magician is doing his tricks at a kid's birthday party, huh?

Actually, i'm a bit old to be frequenting kid's birthday parties. When you hit puberty it becomes a bit wierd, ya know? rofl.
If i did go to childrens birthday parties, and there was a magician, i expect i'd be the guy scolding the smartass kid who bullshits about how the trick was done. Maybe the smartass kid was part of some clever plan (or gambit) involving lying to the majority, but i guess thats the way it goes.

If a foolproof way to find scum is presented, the scum either have to fight the idea (and give themselves away) or go along with the idea (and *risk* giving themselves away if it works). Honestly, the way you're pushing for "if the Jester claims today we should lynch him" today makes me want to vote you.

This is rather insulting. That as scum, i would be so controversial so early on and basically invite attention onto myself.
Anyway, i dont see how your analogy makes any sense. This Jester discussion is about as far from 'a foolproof way to find scum' as it gets...

Either A- you're the Jester and are trying to hide today by acting totally anti-jester and we may as well take your advice about not taking 2nd place

Oh dearie me.

RED ALERT RED ALERT, SCUM SLIP UP DETECTED!

You are attacking me for trying to get the Jester lynched today, and yet AT THE SAME TIME YOU WANT TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING. Oh dear mate. Inconsistent as hell. You expect me to read the rest of your comments?

B- you're going to continue to be a distraction by fighting tooth and nail against everything that you didn't come up with or agree 100% on. The only thing worse for the town than the scum is a townie who is so distracting we can't find the scum.

Guess what kiddo? It wasnt me who came up with the fricking gambit idea that has distracted the town since the start of the game! Try paying attention pl0x and dont get blindsided by OMGUS.

So I'll tell ya what, pick a few people. Build a couple of cases. I'll give ya all weekend to do so. You're active on the site enough it shouldn't be a problem. I'm giving you the opportunity to go on the offensive before I decide whether or not to vote you.

P.S. 10 to 1 odds say I'm one of the people you build a case against.

So active im neglecting about 4 of my games atm? lol
GG Mr Metagaming.
As far as i can see, ive been on the offensive all game. I did a player analysis on page 10(?) ffs!
you're giving 10-1 odds on me making a case against you? Shit, i want some of that. This tip is based on the fact that ive already declared you as my top suspect and am currently voting for you. Ive half a mind to put this entire post of yours down to cleverly disguised OMGUS, but i dont think i want to let you off that easy.

I'll tell you what i'd like to see. Who are YOU suspicious of (excluding me)?
Go on, give me a reason to withdraw the following.

Confirm Vote: Quickben

I'd like

MeMe

,

CKD

and

Mith

to respond to this post asap please. Anyone else who wants to, also can.

Thanks
BM

[Battle Mage]

He's attacking you for telling the Jester that we are going to lynch him if he claims before the Jester claims.

Whether he thinks that that is the correct play is consistent with the fact that he thinks you are scummy for choosing to tell the Jester that you want to lynch him and that you believe the best play for the Jester is to lynch him.

Apparently, this is not the case. Quickben seems to think i am either annoying town or Jester. In the case of the latter, he wishes to try and lynch me today. Please tell me how that is any way logical, when compared with the fact that it is the sole reason he wants me dead in the first place!

His views with regard my position on the Jester also seem to be at polar opposites to yours. Fair do's for trying though.

Anyway thanks MeMe and CKD for your responses. I feel alot better now with my vote, and general play. Mith, this game would benefit from your presence.

And on a completely unrelated note:

I

HATE

POST RESTRICTION BREADCRUMBS!!!!

BM

[Battle Mage]

*Doesnt see what Al Ko is getting at*

[Battle Mage]

erm, you just did post more than 2 words. also, are abbreviations allowed?
i.e. QFT, OMFG, WTF

BM

[Battle Mage]

Actually no, I'm saying that if you're town you should have just shut up and paid attention to who, if anyone, fell for the trap. Its flaw was semi obvious to anyone who was paying attention and the point was that if its flaw didn't affect you, why bother saying anything? I'm not the Jester. Do I give two mouse turds if mith and pooky want to try and convince him/her to come forward? Nope. Did I see the logical issue with the request? Yup. Is it my job as a townie to direct a neutral role in how to play it? Nope. If we have a SK are you going to start giving *them* directions on how not to be found? If I wanted to lynch you, I would have voted you. I actually didn't remember that my vote was on MOS. I'll remove that at the end of the post. (thanks CKD) You managed to misrepresent my entire post BM, which really set off the scumdar, but could be chalked up to crappy reading comprehension skills.

Despite the fact that i appreciate you conceding some blame for this argument, you have still failed to meet my request, which was to name 1 suspect you have which isnt based solely on OMGUS.
I mean, at least try and look like you're scumhunting.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Alot of AtoE in that post, not to mention repetition.

FoS: GreasySpot

Not likely to become a vote with Quickben still alive, but still, BM is watching.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Townie points to the Pookster. lol

[Battle Mage]

I'm still not convinced by hasdgfas's claim. It doesn't fit the Thespival-theme (we didn't have any such roles, nor is there a Jack-of-all-trades card in my deck), nor does it fit what I know of Thesp's style.

That said, I'm not sure why he would've started with the [word] thing if it was

completely

fabricated.

I'm going to do some research on this. For now, I remain more convinced that Greasy Spot is scum, so my vote will remain there.

I'm glad Mith posted this. I thought i was going crazy. I'm disinclined to believe Hasdgfas's claim, primarily because the role he is claiming makes such little sense, and furthermore it is VERY hard to confirm the role, let alone affiliation!

I mean, he spent so much time breadcrumbing, and then for barely any reason atall, completely broke his restriction, without any fear of the consequences. No offence but such a role would be SO dumb. Mith's validation of the fact that JoaT doesnt feature in the deck from which roles were given out, seems to back up my thoughts.

HoS: Hasdgfas

[Battle Mage]

Alot of AtoE in that post,

@ BM: So what? You can't play any game and distance yourself from emotions.


@ mith: The only way my last sentence would rub you the wrong way was if you were scum and did not want to see any votes removed from me. How can you even bring up my reaction to your crap trap of trying to find the Jester. I saw shit flying in the forum and I called it. You got busted.Deal with it.

about has: I can't believe you guys are listening to a cow that can only speak 2 words in each post. Talk about gullable. You guys don't give a shit about what I say but your gonna listen to a 2 worded cow with 'random powers' that might just be the Jester.

@ tyhess: When was I fucking dragging out my claim of not being Jester. I didn't believe the crap trap story that was being thrown out there. If I was the Jester why would claim if I didn't believe the story. Your comment is utter stupidity.


Oh yeah, I almost forgot,

I AM THE JESTER!!

vote: hasdgfas

True, but in Mafia logic tends to take presidence over simple emotion.

BM

[Battle Mage]

not entirely sure how seriously to take a Jester claimer who in the same post seems to push the view that Hasdgfas is the Jester. lol
Not a bad lynch for today by any means, but i'd rather we discussed a bit more first.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I claimed earlier in the game that I was not the Jester or Mafia. I didn't claim Jester until post #459. That was only out of exasperation.

If you guys think I'm scum vote me out. I will not post any further content this day unless close to a prod.

I dont see why we WOULDN'T vote you out. I mean, worst case scenario you are Jester and rid ourselves of an anti-town force.
lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

*damage control* What a lame first day... *damage control*

This is by far the scummiest post of the day so far:

he made a lot of contradictions on day one, and he was quoted as saying mith was extremely scummy when mith is, obviously not. same reasons as everyone else.

Certainly enough to earn my vote.

Vote: RossWilliam

Anyone voting for Sarc is dumb. An FoS i can just about tolerate, because there is no doubt that his play is scummy. Of course, the fact that he is quite obviously the Jester is enough to keep him alive today at least.

Although in fairness, i also totally disagree with AlKo's comments about Sarc, in that, clearly if Sarc is just 'following Pooky' that is as good as voting blindly, unless you are insinuating that he has confirmation of Pooky's innocence/superior intelligence.

Anyway, i'm still fine with a Ross wagon atm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

vote: Sarcastro

Oh shoot. Now BM thinks I'm dumb.

Look on the bright side. At least i dont think you're scum. :p

[Battle Mage]

and plus, the only words Pooky has said all day other than his vote for me and fis first "good morning" post are "choo choo."

Sarc, where in those two words do you find enough facts to sign your vote on with? Is it the first choo? the second choo? enlighten me please. BM, alko, do you really find him not sketchy at all? Is blatant oppurtunism not a scumtell?

Dont be immature. Its obvious that Sarc is acting scummy, but has it never crossed your mind that he could just be the JESTER? lol
The hammer yesterday pretty much clinched it for me. Of course he is scummy, but that doesnt mean i want to lynch the Jester just yet. :p
It is worrying that you are taking him so seriously...

BM

[Battle Mage]

No....His exact words were

I've almost finished reading, so until then I'm just going to agree with Pooky.

If he agreed with Pooky, he would just say, I agree with Pooky. But he puts in his disclaimer about how he hasn't read everything yet. and he did put the hammer on GS last game after only just replacing into the game. I want to hear everybody's thoughts on that.

And I said mith was obviously not scummy because mith's card says Mason on it. I meant he was obviously not scummy now, i had no real opinion of him yesterday except he was a smart player.

and lastly, I am the farthest thing from frantic. It's virtually impossible to be frantic on a forum, and by saying that, you are misrepresenting me. so let's go easy on that.

My statement about mith is because your post is attacking (at the moment I can't think of who you were attacking) a player for saying mith is scummy, and your reasoning is that mith is obviously not scummy. The only reason you know this is because mith is dead and you know his role. I can elaborate on this if you want, but this makes the logic of casting suspicion for that reasoning faulty.

AlKo is spot on here. Mith was as sketchy as hell. Saying that anyone attacking him is suspicious, AFTER HE HAS BEEN NK'D is basically arguing the WIFOM of Night actions.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think I have every right to take Sarc seriously when he is fifth vote on my bandwagon. I think even though I messed up, five votes is too much for what I did. and neither Sarc or Pooky have given me reasons that I can defend myself against. It's only logical that i'm frusterated.

you messed up?
please elaborate.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think RossWilliam is making some rookie mistakes, but I think they are

protown

rookie mistakes. At least he's being honest with his thoughts, even when they don't make sense.

I think Holy brings up a good point about Monkey. His post voting Greasy Spot seemed like an overjustification to me. It's like he was trying to pile on as many reasons for voting as he could think of that applied, even remotely, to Greasy Spot.

Vote: Monkey

This gives me bad vibes. I'd hate to lynch another immensely scummy player, who turns out to just be a new townie who cracked under pressure.

@Post 539- *cough*Jester*cough*

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Sarcastro

cause leaving a vote on someone when you're not even finished reading just seems to open a window for you to say later, Oh I didn't know that so and so was that close to a lynch.

To defend myself with my reasonings to vote greasy spot, I don't believe that's something out of the norm for myself to do. I like to make sure it's known why I'm voting for someone, and I'd still be getting pointed at today more then likely if I only used one reason I'm sure.

Monkey, who do you think is most likely to be the Jester at this point?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Monkey, are you an alt?
if so, do you have a meta on Sarc?
Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games. I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games. I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.

As expected as that (untrue) insult is, I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the rest of your statement. Thanks, BM.

I wish I were the Jester, but no, I'm not. You'd know if I were the Jester, though, because I would have won already.

Which reminds me. Is the Jester going to claim today?

BM

[Battle Mage]

1.

Monkey, are you an alt?

2.

if so, do you have a meta on Sarc?

3.

Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games.

4.

I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.

BM

1.

Yes

An alt of who?

3.

What does being a good player have to do with my opinion on sarcastro's actions? I don't care if it was mith, I'd act much the same.

I'll give you a hint. If Sarcastro is a good player, and he is scum, do you really think he will intentionally act as scummy as possible, UNLESS he is trying to come across as the Jester?

4.

That's your opinion which you're entitled to, however it's not fact and I don't have to follow with your reasoning. We're all here trying to present a case, aren't we?

So you think he is just a really shite mafioso who wants to get lynched???
Dont give me that bull. If you think he is scum, at least come up with a credible motive for his play, instead of defensively disagreeing with everything i have said, as if its merely my opinion, and not basic fact.

I dont understand what you mean by that quote from MeMe. Please feel free to explain.

BM

[Battle Mage]

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

Wait, so your two top suspects are:

1. Battle Mage
Reasoning: No real reasoning, but at some point he gave me a scummy vibe.
2. MeMe
Reasoning: She hasnt nailed scum yet, or been posting prolifically.

This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.

HoS: AlKo

Im happy with a Ross or AlKo lynch atm. And probably others i cant remember.

BM

[Battle Mage]

he asked some questions a few pages back, but i think they were directed to Pooky...

Odd.

BM

[Battle Mage]

bah, i always say Pooky when i mean PJ. lol

[Battle Mage]

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

Wait, so your two top suspects are:

1. Battle Mage
Reasoning: No real reasoning, but at some point he gave me a scummy vibe.
2. MeMe
Reasoning: She hasnt nailed scum yet, or been posting prolifically.

I never said I have no reason to suspect you BM

, you have acted scummy. I have merely stated that in my

notes

I have no reasons listed. I do have you marked though as a player I can read over more closely, analyze your play, and there are scummy actions from you throughout the game to be called upon. I just haven't noted them while I was taking notes, my notes are pretty much bone right now, hardly even any skin.

I'm not buying this ATALL. You claim you have a reason to suspect me (see green), and yet you also claim to have NO reasons listed in your notes, and to have not actually got any reason to suspect me atm, aside from the fact that you wrote down a while back 'reread BM'. Im not sure how i can argue with a case as watertight as that. I guess the only thing i can say is, how about rather than lurking in plain sight, and pretending to scumhunt, you actually PBPA me, and give your suspicion some substance.

Yes, that is a challenge, and until you answer it, you'll forgive me if i dont take you too seriously.

MeMe is only a slight suspicion, nothing to act upon. I'm not suspecting anybody for not nailing scum, and you stating that is misrepresenting me.

Oh dear, im terribly sorry. How about you try giving some reasons in the first place, rather than forcing me to try and fill in the blanks? Better make that a PBPA of MeMe too. I mean, its nothing to act upon, but id like to be sure you arent BSing us about that 'suspicion' too.

Your attacks on me in these latest few posts are one example of your scumminess. CKD and Jelly have both asked much more valid questions and applied reasonable pressure, whereas you simple change what I say, misrepresent me, and try to downcast me into a favorable lynch.

Oh, so you're accusing me of OMGUS. Because im such a shit player that i get totally paranoid at the possibility of someone having slight suspicion of me, that i go uber-offensive on them? lol
I appreciate you trying to suck up to CKD and PJ, but sadly you aren't meeting my expectations, and i'll be interested to hear their thoughts too.

This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.

HoS: AlKo

Im happy with a Ross or AlKo lynch atm. And probably others i cant remember.

BM

According to my notes, those are my two suspects. Like I've been saying, my notes are very poor right now, and I admit my play has been under par for close to a year now.[/quote]
I wouldnt go that far. Its only this game where you seem to be slipping, and i just dont get it...
But, if you recognise that you arent on top of your game, i seriously reccommend a short break, and then a relook at the game.

Your last comment makes you sound very lynch-happy to take anybody down. Tell me, do you want me lynched for any other reason than I have you as a suspect?

Lol, lynch happy? maybe a little.
But, im just enjoying the fact that im totally WITH this game. I have plenty of suspects, who i think id be more than happy to see hang.
With regard to your question, i have to admit, i was expecting you to wait a little longer before playing the OMGUS card. AlKo, i'll say this only once:

I'm voting for you, not because you suspect me, but because you claim to suspect MeMe and myself, and simultaneously admit that you have NOTHING to back this up.

What do you think of Ross's explanation for his actions? His answer's to PJ's questions?

I cant recall PJ's questions. Ive been more focussed on his responses to mine and others (PJ is clearly a law unto himself ). But, i dont rate his explanation very highly atall.
If you want me to look throught PJ's posts specifically, please ask.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.

when did that start to happen?

last couple of games you've made shitloads of sense. Having said that, you could have been scum in them, in which case ill be less happy with you. Atm though, you're in my good-scumhunter books.

BM

[Battle Mage]

my problem with Ross is his play is SO obvious as scum, he has to be a newbie or the jester...

wolf, your thoughts on the jester?

I'm rooting for newbie scum.
I'm satisfied with Wolfcrier. Oddly enough, i'm not entirely surprised about Tyhess being the Jester. It means now that we cannot allow him to recruit too many people, otherwise he will be able to lynch himself, and win the game, amirite?

BM

[Battle Mage]

up nvm disregard that question!

i wish i could remember who is an alt and who isnt. This guy COULD be a Jester. Ross on the other hand, isnt.

BM

[Battle Mage]

tyhess claimed.

yeh, but that doesnt mean it is necessarily true.

[Battle Mage]

you believe...?

Im not quite sure why he claimed. Its not likely he was going to be NKed in the immediate future, and he might have been lynched. I can certainly see it as a role, but we cant be absolutely CERTAIN.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Scum? lawl.

[Battle Mage]

I'll give you a hint. If Sarcastro is a good player, and he is scum, do you really think he will intentionally act as scummy as possible, UNLESS he is trying to come across as the Jester?

Are you positive that he's TRYING to act as scummy as possible, and not just slipping. Good players make mistakes too.

Hammering a townie with no reasoning Day 1?
Making silly comments and ridiculous votes Day 2?
I dont think anyone sane would be able to call those 'slips'...

I dont understand what you mean by that quote from MeMe. Please feel free to explain.

Actually Meme is the one who said it in the past, so feel free to ask Meme what she meant by it. On a serious note though, it just means that you are constantly answering for him, and I wouldn't mind hearing his logic behing what you call basic fact instead of hearing from you when you're not the person I'm "attacking".

The words 'tough shit' spring to mind. If you attack based on bad logic, i'll call you on it, and request an explanation. I dont quite know how you think i am answering for Sarc-he isnt exactly going to come forward and claim Jester now, is he?
I dont understand your stubbornness on this. We both agree that his play has been scummy, yet you have neglected to put this into context.

I mean we're not in day 1 anymore randomly voting people.

Ehh, I really thought that we voted the scum on day 1 .

Yeah, so did I, the random voting was referred to the beginning of day 1 though btw.

Now in light of Tyhess's claim, and no counter as of yet .. I'm sticking with my vote for now.

No counter? Tyhess claimed Jester. Jester wants to get lynched. I dont think he actually gives a damn whether we catch scum or not. lol

Oh and while im at it, ive had another thought. Maybe Tyhess claimed Jester inexpicably in order to make us think 'why the heck has he done that' and vote for him, when he actually is the Jester. Just some WIFOM i thought of.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should be shot on principle.

qft.

[Battle Mage]

Mod

, wolfcrier voted RossWilliam in Post 580.

I find it curious that RossWilliam has attained a bandwagon, but

not

wolfcrier. It seems like comments on wolfcrier slip off like acid on a duck (random Far Side reference) in terms of how well the town seems to react to it, but any note on RossWilliam equates to somebody voting for him. Is there any particular reason for this?

For those of you voting RossWilliam, please explain to me why you are voting for him – and then explain to me why you are voting RossWilliam over wolfcrier.

Ross William is exceptionally scummy, and yet not in such a way as he could be Jester. Wolfcrier is an obvious candidate for Jester. Pretty simple really.

BM

[Battle Mage]

and jester claim now please, we can't lynch you.

Why would you think he would claim?

Amen!

Amen!

Sarc claimed he agrees with Pooky for now. Not that just that is a good reason, but it's definitely not claiming for no reason at all.

They're basically the same thing. The implication in Sarc's quote was that he was just following Pooky blindly until he caught up with the game, which is basically just picking a player at random.

vote: Sarcastro

Oh shoot. Now BM thinks I'm dumb.

LOL.

Just checking in to see who didn't survive the night.

Boo.

Minor tell here.

MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

Everyone's aloud to have a bad game every once in a while.

I'm not sure, but I think Ross first made my list for being scummy when I noticed him jumping on top of the attacks towards GS and Iammers.

Grr...

Anyone in favor of forgoing lynches and just NKing people until the jester claims?

I'd be in favor of it if a vigilante claims.

Anyone in favor of forgoing lynches and just NKing people until the jester claims?

Are you serious? That'd be cool.

Nanookthewolf

Holy crap...

Now in light of Tyhess's claim, and no counter as of yet .. I'm sticking with my vote for now.

Why would someone counterclaim?

Interesting post. Some responses are good, some are weak. But the most noticeable trend is that you are analysing perhaps the most obscure set of posts in the game. Id say you could be far more productive than this if you put your mind to it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You should be shot on principle.

And if it was up to me you would be shot on priniciple in every game becasue no matter matter you act anti town.

Anti-town is probably the wrong term. you mean 'like an arrogant twat'. But in fairness, it is you who is in the wrong here. It helps the town alot to know that only Scum or the actual Jester are going to claim Jester. If you are town, and claim Jester, it really fecks up a foolproof scumhunting strategy, and your logic was so poor to boot.

[Battle Mage]

i agree with CKD to an extent. Talitha seems to just be posting the obvious. Anyone who has played Jester Mafia can tell you that ffs.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I would have just said that I lied and that the other dude was the true jester....it's basically the same kind of thing all of the other players were trying to do day one....

you think the Jester would COUNTERCLAIM?
are you retardedly dumb?

*excuse my anger, im tired and grouchy*

BM

[Battle Mage]

1) I actually did think there was a chance of a counter claim, and 2) I was looking for something more along the lines of what wolfcrier did....and what he did do leads me to think he's the jester...

I dont understand your logic behind thinking the Jester might counterclaim.
Please explain your thought processes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wrong about...?

so what the hell does that mean for this game?

This is, as BM points out, pretty obvious if you think about it or if you have played with a jester before. Especially if you have played as a scumbag in a jester game which I have. I assumed that most people here probably hadn't and something I read made me want to mention what I did.

*joins the club of 'Scum in Jester Mafia Game'*

Meantime,

Unvote, Vote: Talitha

seems like a worthwhile pursuit atm, until we get some decent contribution. I can well see scum trying to lurk through this game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Interesting post. Some responses are good, some are weak. But the most noticeable trend is that you are analysing perhaps the most obscure set of posts in the game. Id say you could be far more productive than this if you put your mind to it.

I tend to go after whatever I see. And why are obscure posts bad?

They arent necessarily. Its when i see someone just analysing obscure posts, and avoiding the mainstream discussion that i get a tad suspicious.

BM

[Battle Mage]

1) I actually did think there was a chance of a counter claim, and 2) I was looking for something more along the lines of what wolfcrier did....and what he did do leads me to think he's the jester...

I dont understand your logic behind thinking the Jester might counterclaim.
Please explain your thought processes.

BM

Are you asking about why the real jester might counter claim, or what would happen if he did?

the former.

[Battle Mage]

Let's move on, let's just pretend there isn't a jester in the game and lynch some scumbags.

I was going to suggest this myself.

mFoS: PJ

In other news, i have no clue what Pooky is aiming to achieve. And much as i'd like to be involved in such a strangely exciting team, i dont really want to be the scatty retarded one. I do that enough in my other games...

More pressure on Talitha is an absolute MUST.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok

its obvious that whoever this jester is, he/she is a terrible awful player who does not realize that with 2 nightkills happening during the night and only one lynch occuring each day, his/her odds of winning are way better by claiming than not claiming.

that said, let's not beat a dead horse any further.

The Jester is an awful awful player, I'm going to just accept that.

Let's move on, let's just pretend there isn't a jester in the game and lynch some scumbags.

Now I need some complete dupes to follow me around in order to help me get my diagnosis right.

Hapless Dupe Number One will have to disagree with everything I say

Hapless Dupe Number Two will have to agree with everything I say and try to prove that I'm right.

Hapless Dupe Number Three has to act outraged all the time at everything I say.

Hapless Dupe Number Four has to be the complete klutz and have no idea what is going on.

Hapless Dupe Number Five will try to save my immortal soul.

So I just need 5 brave volunteers.

Who is up for it?

This post increases my belief that Pooky is town. He's still under MeMe though.

Whenever Pooky starts to make plans, he becomes more and more protown.

I fail to see how that makes Pooky protown. MoS can back me when I say we played a (I think it was C9) mafia game where he, though town, formed an elaborate plan that did not help the town. In all honesty though, I was scum that game and because of the information I derived from day, Pooky's plan would have been best for the town in that situation . Town still won nonetheless.

The ONLY time i ever saw Pooky make an elaborate plan in a game we shared, i was his scumbuddy, and it got us a Draw with another scum group if i recall (what a marathon Day eh?).

I dont think much of IamMars' meta...

BM

[Battle Mage]

you know what? i was confused about Pooky's team. But now I'm just curious, and curiousity killed the cat. I'll be the clueless one, number four. Holy would be too insulted be it.

figures...

The more i read IamMars's posts, the more i think he would be a worthy policy lynch, simply on grounds of incredibly obvious buddying up to experienced players.

HoS: IamMars

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow, right, I think I'm all caught up. Sorry about that, I know I've been a pain in the ass.

Not sure where to start now. No-one jumped out at me as a number one suspect, but I do have a few suspicions. These are people I'll be looking at more closely if I get a chance to go back over some people's posts. I guess I'll just start naming them, giving an idea why I'm suspicious and see what happens.

Iammars - Like someone else said, he's not really putting himself out there and trying to find scum. Playing very safe since the suspicious early post where he didn't consider the possibility that the COTC could be mafia.

Alko - Just a weird feeling like he doubts himself when he posts or something. Can't quite put my finger on it.

RossWilliam - I was initially very suspicious of this guy but found myself believing his sincerity in his responses to PJ's questions.

Captain Bandwagon - I have him as possible scum OR Jester - will need to look over his posts to remind myself why.

MOS - I always find MOS scummy. And one of these days I'll be right about it!

MeMe - If memory serves me right, she's always been voting away from the current bandwagon, and doesn't even acknowledge the bandwagons or try and pressure those players already under pressure. It's unusual. I think something is up with MeMe but not sure exactly what.

Wolfcrier - Definitely something up, IMO. I would like to carefully pressure this one for a claim....

vote: Wolfcrier

I appreciate the feedback Talitha. I'd appreciate it even more if you could maybe elaborate on your reasoning behind your vote on Wolfcrier, and perhaps most importantly, why you are so sure he isnt the Jester.

In the meantime,

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

The more i read IamMars's posts, the more i think he would be a worthy policy lynch, simply on grounds of incredibly obvious buddying up to experienced players.

HoS: IamMars

BM

I just squirted pop out my nose, LMAO

Am I the only one who read that as Iammars being called a newbie?

Wow, i'm impressed. I'm sure Pooky can give you a medal for that.
Ftr, i wasnt calling IamMars a newbie (for obv reasons). If you read what i said, you'd see that i was actually saying that he was pinging my scumdar like hell, with his buddying up to other, and perhaps MORE experienced and reputable players.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The more i read IamMars's posts, the more i think he would be a worthy policy lynch, simply on grounds of incredibly obvious buddying up to experienced players.

HoS: IamMars

Your point?
I see no problem with MeMe having a fanboy.

I do. Its called 'buddying up'. If you want to be a fan of MeMe, by all means make a celebratory post in General Discussion. This is a mafia game, and we're trying to hunt scum. You butt-kissing MeMe is bad for two reasons if you are town:

1. It means you could be blindsided by MeMe-scum
2. It makes you look as sketchy as f**k.

BM

[Battle Mage]

This is when you guys go

"wow that's genius"

and then vote Captain Bandwagon and lynch him.

I wish i had a dayvig now. Not because i think you're scum, but you are so annoyingly distracting!
And i'm ashamed to admit, i think you might have a point about Wolfcrier and CB. I think a CB lynch is safer, with the Jester threat in mind.
Nonetheless, i'd like to hereby express my suspicion of AlKo.

Note to self: Lynch AlKo

@IamMars-stop being pedantic. Just set up a forum dedicated to MeMe, or alternatively, join one of the numerous ones currently in existence.

BM

[Battle Mage]

see V/LA thread

[Battle Mage]

not sure what to make of the claim. I dont see the reasoning behind the BW in the first place, but the claim itself is weak. I think of the current BW's, a

Vote: AlKo

is in order.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

is this a bit of change of stance from your previous post?

[Battle Mage]

Al Ko is obviously the play today.

[Battle Mage]

my confusion was ur general votehoppyness...

[Battle Mage]

w/e. you arent as fishy as PJ atm anyway, so rest easy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

PJ just gives me uneasy vibes. AlKo is obvscum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i agree with farside about Sarc, but really this argument is pointless. its not like it affects who we are gonna lynch today, so jump on the AlKo wagon already. -.-

[Battle Mage]

I just had a thought. I've been perfectly content waiting on the JDGA wagon for him to come back and post, but than I realized, what if he is indeed the joker? He sees he's well on the way to lynch, and conveniantly dissapears, let us think he's chicken or something, and lynch him. voila, he wins. this just made me really nervous, but I don't know if i'm willing to unvote yet. I don't know yet who a plausible replacement would be.

the joker?

ROFLMAO

[Battle Mage]

please wagon AlKo already.

[Battle Mage]

Currently up to page 28, I am.. and this just popped out at me.

Whenever Pooky starts to make plans, he becomes more and more protown.

I'd be disinclined to think that myself, only because of a particular game at Thespival where he began leading the town to his own scum win. So I'm not sure that's an indication either way.

Indeed.

[Battle Mage]

Monkey, he hardly contributes or does anything

That, is scummy to me >.>

Then why dont you f*ing vote?

Unvote, Vote: Monkey

The lesser of 3 evils. Al Ko needs to be vigged.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Monkey, he hardly contributes or does anything

That, is scummy to me >.>

Then why dont you f*ing vote?

Lol! Don't I!? Dun that.

wait i think i misread ur post. do u think AlKo is scummy or Monkey?

BM

[Battle Mage]

shit this is not going well...
Id like to hear from Farside before i join the wagon.
meantime,

FoS: Farside

Cant believe AlKo and Talitha were town, and that Sarc wasnt Jester tbh.
This game is very strange...

BM

[Battle Mage]

damnit i want to vote Farside SO much, but he seems so earnest...

and he has a good point about Monkey.
But it makes so much game-sense to lynch him, especially as it will give us a strong indication of Beep Beeps alignment.

BM

[Battle Mage]

just a thought, has Farside claimed who he targetted last night yet?

BM

[Battle Mage]

not yet. I think she should straight away.

that alone is suspicious. A real doc would usually have their previous night action in mind immediately as the game reopens for day.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ooi, Pooky, do you think it is worthwhile for the town to lose 2 power roles at this stage of the game when things are already looking grim, in exchange for 1 scumbag?

BM

[Battle Mage]

ooi, Pooky, do you think it is worthwhile for the town to lose 2 power roles at this stage of the game when things are already looking grim, in exchange for 1 scumbag?

It's important that we get rid of some scum today, so that we can have scum alignments confirmed, and we have some material to look back upon to find more scum.

With whomever Pooky points to, and farside, we might have two scum hits very soon.

Pooky's decision to out himself is correct. With 3 nightkills per night, he shouldn't wait to die with his information, which is a very likely scenario. Since Pooky himself came out, I am free to point out that I noticed that he was cleared by the dead cop. Pooky is a dead teddy bear walking.

*sigh* there was a reason i asked Pooky the question and not you. In future, please do not answer on his behalf. -.-

And no, i dont think Pooky is anywhere near confirmed protown, despite your desire to interpret Al Ko in that way.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Seriously I get reamed no matter who I protect. CB protected someone he thought was a target and people attack me for that. I protect someone who may not be as high profile as others and I get attacked. Is there really any one person I'm not going to be reamed at for protecting without all this brew ha, ha?
I'm still waiting on people to see if they claim they targeted tabitha as Pooky stated. Pooky you said there were 3 people?

this smells a bit fishy. I dont recall you claiming who CB protected but thats by the by. The way you explain this, it reads to me as:

I claimed that CB protected someone who was likely to get targetted, and got under pressure for it.
Then i decided IN ORDER TO STOP MYSELF GETTING LYNCHED, i'd claim a less common target, despite all reason saying i should do otherwise. -.-

Plus im certain you arent a Jester.

Vote: Farside

I still want to hear from Pooky asap, but i dont think anything he says is going to change who we need to lynch today. In fact, his timing sucks.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, thats what i dont get. Why the hell would you do something so outrageous? I mean, as town you dont just trust what people tell you, especially if it defies all logic.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@The idiot protown player who targetted Talitha, stop being stupid and claim.

@BM why does my timing suck? should I wait until I get blown away at night before I claim results?

Your timing sucks because our lynch is obvious. We have 1 scumbag under wraps. Youve outted yourself as a fairly strong power role, and seem to just be prolonging the day. You havent bothered to initiate a checklist of players who havent posted yet, so you have little idea of when is a suitable time to reveal your info with no-one coming forward. You seriously ought to be revealing the name of anyone who has currently posted and who you spotted, as they are almost certainly going to fit the role of scum according to your criteria. I'm seeing this as having a strong chance of being a scum gambit with the intention of outting protown power roles, and potentially getting multiple mislynches, with the additional result of saving Farside for a while longer. Even implying that a protown player targetting Talitha is an idiot is insanely scummy. The only protown roles who would target Talitha with the motive of thinking she is scum are RB and Vig as far as i can see, and WHO COULD BLAME THEM?
She was hardly as town as pie. -.-

Claim your results, and prove me wrong.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote: Farside22

.

Please provide reasoning for your unvote.

I wholeheartedly endorse this product, service or statement.

[Battle Mage]

thats of course only suspicious should you actually be a Doc. lol
and besides, ive hardly been out to quicklynch you today. I didnt bandwagon immediately, i looked at all the information. You can criticise me all you want, but fact is, theres about 6 other players here who were far more keen to quicklynch you earlier. Now i think we've found scum, i'm happy to join them. Its not a quicklynch cutting off discussion. Its a scumlynch which we dont want to get distracted from.

BM

[Battle Mage]

thats of course only suspicious should you actually be a Doc. lol
and besides, ive hardly been out to quicklynch you today. I didnt bandwagon immediately, i looked at all the information. You can criticise me all you want, but fact is, theres about 6 other players here who were far more keen to quicklynch you earlier. Now i think we've found scum, i'm happy to join them. Its not a quicklynch cutting off discussion. Its a scumlynch which we dont want to get distracted from.

BM

You are question Pooky about coming out with the info and stating that I should just be lynched. As much as I can not defend myself against what has happened it is better for the town to discuss other scums especially when all of those who are looking to lynch me are proven wrong.

AMEN

We can cross that bridge when we come to it. Pooky, made that list yet? or are we going to have to wait till 2 days before deadline to hear your information?

BM

[Battle Mage]

im still not sure where u get "3" from.

[Battle Mage]

far, what are you talking about?..what is wrong with my comment?

It sounds like you are saying you agree with everyone that I should be lynched. Since you were the only one questioning my inevitable lynch I didn't consider you to be one of the mindless zombies out there.
I have no clue who is scum any more. I question Beep beep WIFOM comments. Holy's lack of scum hunting and BM's comment about just lynching and worry about discussion later. GL I think you are going to need it with this group.

so you know we arent scum then?
lawl. you're so obvious its funny. CKD, I dont know what you're getting at here. Yeh Pooky can potentially nail us down to 2 people, giving us a theoretical 50% chance of catching scum. Which is nice, but not as good as the odds we get with farside.

BM

[Battle Mage]

far, what are you talking about?..what is wrong with my comment?

It sounds like you are saying you agree with everyone that I should be lynched. Since you were the only one questioning my inevitable lynch I didn't consider you to be one of the mindless zombies out there.
I have no clue who is scum any more. I question Beep beep WIFOM comments. Holy's lack of scum hunting and BM's comment about just lynching and worry about discussion later.

GL I think you are going to need it with this group.

so you know we arent scum then?
lawl. you're so obvious its funny. CKD, I dont know what you're getting at here. Yeh Pooky can potentially nail us down to 2 people, giving us a theoretical 50% chance of catching scum. Which is nice, but not as good as the odds we get with farside.

BM

What are you getting that I know you aren't scum. I said I don't know. Your lack of wanting a discussion is noted by me at least. If someone is smart enough to read back to this day I hope they see it too. Plus all you get from my lynch is proving I was telling the truth your lack of wanting a discussion should be more present in tomorrows discussion. I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.

Lol, genius detective work there. Remind me to nominate you for a scummy after this game is over. I am quite open about wanting to lynch you asap. Ironically it was only after your claim that i started finding you scummy, and your play has deteriorated ever since. I'm prepared to take the flak tomorrow, if i'm wrong about you. Thats how this game works. If you are town, and you genuinely think i am scum, then you should be happy to see me push your lynch so openly.

In order to help you, i've bolded the bit of your post which gave you away. That comment was clearly made with the pre-disposition that Beep Beep, Holy and myself are all just unhelpful townies. Its just another slip to add to your arsenal of inexcusable scummy play.

Your final point is bogus too btw. You help your team by sticking around longer, as you can be a component in mislynches. Its why playing as mafia is sometimes about surviving for as long as possible rather than necessarily aiming to storm to victory at endgame.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Please give three more. There are reasons why I asked for seven.

I said why I think you are asking is rediculious I want to know why at this point. If anyone has 7 suspects with good reason I would like to see that.

yay, a challenge! lol
I think i see what Beep Beep is getting at. As scum i generally have a tendency to limit myself to a few targets at a time. Making an enemy of everyone is not a great tactic. As town on the other hand, i tend to be more 'suspicious of everyone'. There are always reasons to suspect people. If you are town, you can at least give reasons why you think 10 players in the game are totally beyond reproach.

CKD, dont think i havent spotted you defending this guy. If Beep Beep is scum, hes doing a fecking good job of it! Frankly Farside is past being defended. I admire your attempt, but it isnt really achieving much, and i think you answering for him is indicative of ties between you. Just a warning.

I'll try and come up with my 7 suspects in a sec.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok lets see. In no particular order then:

1. AmeliaSlay- She replaced Quickben-the scummiest player for much of the game. I'm not quite sure why the pressure on him eased, and perhaps its time we resurrect it.
2. PookytheMagicalBear- i dont understand where he has gone, or his recent behaviour much atall. the whole thing gives me bad vibes, and tbh, im a tad surprised that someone so dominant in the town would be still alive, if he wasnt scum... (its WIFOM, but yeh).
3. RossWilliam- Again, VERY scummy yesterday. Also, very surprising he hasnt been lynched yet. Im not seeing him as a Jester candidate atall, and would be happy to see him hang at this point.
4. Tyhess- Strongly dislike the whole Jester-claim thing, and the way in which it was retracted. Its pretty hard to see Tyhess as town atm, and if that is the case, i feel questions are going to be asked after the game. 0.o
5. Beep! Beep!- the way he leads the town unnerves me a little, and the fact he replaced Wolfcrier makes him a justifiable suspect, although in this case i havent discounted Jester as a possibility.
6. CKD- I never seem to find you scummy any more, and you are certainly playing to your town meta here. I just think the way you are defending Farside is going to make me suspicious of you whatever the outcome, no matter how bad that reasoning is. If he comes up town, im going to think you were distancing from a mislynch, and if he comes up scum in a few days time, im going to think you had a motive for keeping him alive. I think you are probably town, but i dislike some of your recent behaviour.
7. Farside22- I just looked, and he replaced Captain Bandwagon. Still, i dont think the doc claim makes sense for a jester, and 2 scummy players with the same role adds up to someone highly lynchable. I didnt find him scummy until the claim, and since then, more and more reasons to lynch him have come to light.

That appears to be 7. Not that hard was it? Its also helped me alot, as it forced me to reread some of the earlier parts of the game.
so, drinks on me i think!

BM

[Battle Mage]

6. CKD- I never seem to find you scummy any more, and you are certainly playing to your town meta here. I just think the way you are defending Farside is going to make me suspicious of you whatever the outcome, no matter how bad that reasoning is. If he comes up town, im going to think you were distancing from a mislynch, and if he comes up scum in a few days time, im going to think you had a motive for keeping him alive. I think you are probably town, but i dislike some of your recent behaviour.

This logic just escapes me. Watch CKD everyone because apparently he is scummie no matter what farsides outcome, but don't pay attention to the fact that I didn't want to discuss anything before the lynch of farside. (That is my reading on BM. Thank you.) Player 1 is scummie, because why? Did I miss the reason. RW is scummie why?

Yeh i guess you did. Probably because you havent been reading the thread amirite? Try it some time, and then see if you understand things better. Heck, maybe it might even make ur posts less scummy, so we dont want you dead so much! :p
I like the way you are clinging on to the same old argument, completely ignoring the post you QUOTED. -.-

Beep Beep: Can I tell you how wrong you are, and were once I've been lynched? I really love to tell people I told them so especially when there own comments look scummie.

no you cant. As ive been told a thousand times, if you act as scummy as Satan, expect to be lynched, and expect to deserve it. If townies vote for you, there is generally a reason, and looking at your own play is a start.

BM

@CKD-yeh i see what you're saying. I just disagree on him being the play today. Pookys play is looking more and more like a gambit to prolong his death...

[Battle Mage]

What BM and beep beep are failing to notice is that I already have resigned myself to this lynch. I knew as soon as someone made the WIFOM comment about me not dead and Monkey being doctor that I was resigned to being lynched. So the fight against me is useless. I'm going out with who I think is scum since I'm town. That is what a person in my position should be doing. Now my rant.
I have to say BM your comment about CKD is the biggest BS I hear in mafia games. Basically you think people should be quiet little lambs and not stir the pot or they are scum. That is crap with crap reasoning. People should be aloud to be outspoken. It's scummie to just follow a bandwagon and make no comments then to defend someone who is "the easy lynch". Your comment is crap and your logic is crap.

lol you are ALL mouth im afraid. There are circumstances where defending someone is deemed scummier than attacking them. Indeed, back in Mafia 61, i was told the same thing im telling CKD- if you defend someone, you are always going to be under suspicion. I KNOW the logic for it isnt great, hence i SAID THAT. But I can see it happening in the future. I dont think CKD is scum, and i see him defending a highly probable scumbag. So i do the best thing for the town, and notify him that hes making a shoddy decision.
Sadly i think your comments are being marred by OMGUS. I mean, lets say you are town. What do you think of CKD's decision to defend you? Do you seriously think that makes him look more likely to be town, when you are virtually an assured lynch? I think NOT.

As for beep beep you started this WIFOM comment and you are going to look really stupid when I come up town. So stupid that you putting people as scum with me because I like that they think outside of the lambs is stupid. So stupid as your list is stupid because in your mind no matter what the outcome "X" people are scum but you have said why. Nice.
End rant.

If you are going to continue simply bitching, please just stop posting. Yep, im serious. If you are so resigned to being lynched that you dont want to help the town anymore, then your presence is not valuable.
Get a grip and play the game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Come on Iammars don't you know I should have been night killed since I claimed doctor.

WIFOM.
If you actually are a doctor, scum wouldn't mind having you lynched, so they can spend they're nightkill on someone else. The idea is that we leave you alive and force the scum to nightkill you. It's a game of chicken. Who will be the first to kill the claimed doctor?

However, that last post strongly gives Jester vibes.

If a Jester can pull off a victory by claiming DOCTOR, then good on him! Its a crazy play though.

BM

[Battle Mage]

it worries me that Beep Beep seems to think Farside being a Jester supports the lynching case. Also, why am i always at 50 scumminess points? do i never do ANYTHING controversial?

Also, did Pooky REALLY just pop up and say that and not claim?


BM

[Battle Mage]

just read Pooky's post on the previous page. Im not sure whether to be relieved that he didnt do something dumb, or annoyed that he lied and wasted our time.

Anyway, Farside lynch anyone?

BM

[Battle Mage]

im intrigued at MoS's vote.

Reason?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Meme's plan makes sense to me. I dunno if I can do it any more justice than she does. Correct me if i'm mistaken, Meme, but are you saying we should

1. Isolate someone that we believe could the most likely jester candidate.
2. Tell scum to night kill them.
3. If they're still alive next morning, we lynch risk it, and lynch the possible jester?

Tell me if I've got it right before I add feedback

Stupid. You really think scum arent going to risk seeing a jester lynch, if it means ensuring their own victory. Odds on they will love seeing us draw conclusions from their kills, as it allows them to dominate the game during the day aswell.

Thus far suspects of being Jester have just been killed anyway. Running our lynches by them is mucho silly.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, that's a better explanation of why the plan might not work than any other submitted, MoS...but I'm not sure why you believe the mafia possess better jester-discovery powers than the rest of us.

maybe coz they have a better idea of who IS scum, and who just looks like scum? -.-

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: MeMe

this last move is too much...

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, I think she's just getting replaced. Meme doesn't strike me as the type who'd run off just cause things are getting a little tighter

its possibly the worst time to get replaced if u are town. Just when u are attracting controversy. And the excuse doesnt add up either. She decided to leave just as her time constraint here was less. It doesnt make sense. I think a scumbag who didnt have the time to give it a decent shot bailed, and left it to someone who could fare better-hence Mathcam.

BM

[Battle Mage]

in that case Gnome, please tell us why MeMe has left at this time.

BM

[Battle Mage]

then why did she choose to drop out due to being too busy, just when this game was becoming less of a time constraint for her?

[Battle Mage]

I'm really not following what you mean by "less of a time constraint". Unless you believe it was a guarantee she was going to be lynched and her death would free up the time. These games take time to play, and for any sort of decent player the time it takes out of a day should be equal throughout the game.

no im referring to the fact that her marvellous plan had fallen through and she was no longer under pressure to keep explaining and defending it. Maybe im being harsh, but i dont see how deadlines at work really correllate with replacement out of a game which might require 10 minutes of reading every day. I cant see a Mafia player of MeMe's calibre just dropping out of a game at such a time, as town, with that excuse...

BM

[Battle Mage]

3.)

I dislike Post #394 by Battle Mage immensely.

First he uses WIFOM ("This is rather insulting. That as scum, i would be so controversial so early on and basically invite attention onto myself. ").

As far as i'm aware, WIFOM isnt a scumtell. Its not as if i was using it as a defence for scummy play. I stand by my comment-i dont like people insinuating that i am really crap as scum, even if it was true. -.-

Second, he completely misses the initial point of Quickben's post (i.e. "When you know a gambit works for the town, try shutting up").

Yeh we've been over this already. In actual fact, i'd say the message of Quickbens post was that trying to get the Jester lynched on Day 1 is scummy. Maybe you are creditting him with more intelligence than i am.

Third, he attacks Quickben for 'wanting to do the same thing as Battle Mage' (lynch the jester on Day One), which is skirting Quickben's more substantial point: that people who are specifically disadvantaged by plans tend to be the one's who argue against them the most.

Wait, so you're saying i'm a Jester now? 0.o
For the record, my arguing against Quickben was that he claimed something was a scumtell against me, and then committed the same scumtell himself. Thats hypocrisy.

Fourth, he suggests that Quickben's commentary is not even worth reading ("You expect me to read the rest of your comments? ").

If people start a post in an illogical, hypocritical way, it is quite understandable that you might feel responding to a large post that continues in the same vein, is pointless.

5.)

Anyone voting for Sarc is dumb. An FoS i can just about tolerate, because there is no doubt that his play is scummy.

FoS's are lame. Dont be a pussy. Make it a vote.

Explain.

Different circumstances invoke different approaches. When someone looks strongly like the Jester, voting for them is bad. In general however, someone who uses an FoS, when a vote would perhaps be more appropriate, is fishy, and definitely worth questioning about it.

6.)

Dont be immature.

*Immaturity*

Explain.

Erm, i think its you that needs to explain here. Is this just a general personal attack, or are you actually trying to make a relevant point?

7.)

The more I read Battle Mage's posts, the more I am realizing he has been consistently focusing on finding the Jester more than he has focused on finding scum. Every other post seems to reference somebody possibly being the Jester.

FoS: Battle Mage

.

I dont want the Jester to win. Not after the ABR fiasco a little while back. 0.o

BM

[Battle Mage]

Wow, so much to say. I'll try not to cram it all in to one post.

First, meta-stuff about recent events:

I think a scumbag who didnt have the time to give it a decent shot bailed, and left it to someone who could fare better-hence Mathcam.BM

First of all, wouldn't a responsible townie who didn't have the time to give it a decent shot

also

want to leave it to someone else?

No, i dont think so. Not MeMe at least. She is far away one of the best players on the site, and i think she is aware of this. I find it hard to believe that she would consider the town to have a better chance with her not there, even if she had hand-picked a highly capable replacement.

Second, I don't think there's much for her to defend. She proposed a plan with a gaping wide hole in it, and made no bones about retracting it once the fatal flaw had been demonstrated to her. Unless the suggestion is that she intentionally came up with a majorly flawed plan and hoped that this pool of remarkably experienced players just wouldn't find it, I can't fathom what people can find scummy about it.

THIS is a fair point.

Unvote

BM

[Battle Mage]

PJ good point, I just see the jester as an obstacle, but you are right if we kill scum and the jester is still around, we still win.

how is that a good point?
The jester is going to act like scum, so differentiating between the two is much easier said than done. Much as its nice that we can tell the difference easily, aiming for the Jester at night is the best plan for a Vig (which in case you didnt realise, entails targetting scummy players ANYWAY).

BM

[Battle Mage]

well DUH. They are one and the same. -.-

[Battle Mage]

who did Farside claim to target last night?

[Battle Mage]

battlemage scum too btw

lawl. I look forward to hearing this.

[Battle Mage]

so Farside claimed to target Mith on the first night, and Sarc on the second?

im not buying it.

Unvote, Vote: Farside

If for some reason he comes up town, and i die tonight, lynch PJ tomorrow.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^

Mind going into detail about that? Your play has been confusing me in general. I will give a list of things off the top of my head (without even isolating your posts) to show this.

1.)

Just recently, you made a list of seven players that could be scum, none of which included me.

Why would that be wholly surprising?

2.)

You have claimed that active players (like yourself) who make themselves a 'center of attention' are not likely to be scum. You then fail to apply this reasoning to people other than yourself.

Dont misinterpret me. It is only when a player acts in a conciously controversial way that it is less likely that they are scum. Just posting frequently is not enough. If you want to give an example of me failing to apply this logic to my suspicions, please be my guest.

3.)

You start the game being suspicious of myself (along with mith, but not Pooky for some reason) for arguing that the jester should claim Day One. Later you realize you were in the wrong, and you do not reference me as being suspicious for arguing pro-jester-claim again.

You then don't comment on me for a while that I can recall, excepting to say you often confuse Pooky and myself, and that I am a "law unto myself". You "mFoS" me for suggesting we lynch as if there is a not a Jester -- but

again you do not mFoS Pooky about this even though I was in agreement with Pooky

.

That's at least twice you have applied something against

me

but not Pooky. Why? You seem to have a very large blind spot when it comes to Pooky this game. You even give Pooky "townie points" for saying that an acronym means "Appeal to Emotion", which is completely out of place.

ROFL. So your case is that i'm buddying upto Pooky? Or does poor ickle PJ feel left out of the townie points stakes?

Guess what dude- try reading the aspects of the game that dont apply to yourself. Earlier on I explained that my meta of Pooky, though limited, would suggest that he could be scum here. Later i attacked him strongly over his claim, subsequent disappearing act, and mysterious withdrawal. I also listed him as one of my top 7 suspects. So yeah, i guess i just have a soft spot for the poor fella.

Later, you say that somebody (don't recall who you were talking to, probably alky or Sarcastro) "isn't as fishy as PJ" and that you have "uneasy" vibes about me, which comes completely out of nowhere.

I highly doubt i was comparing you to either Al Ko or Sarc, as they were as sketchy as f**k! It was more likely Mith or MeMe if my memory is any good. If it makes you feel any better, i'll reread you in a bit. Uneasy vibes does not necessarily mean 'outright scummy play'. It just means something about you seems wrong, and whilst it is hard to explain, its a good idea to note it down anyway.

4.)

Your last post doesn't even seem to contain a logical connector. Basically, it boils down to "If PJ is right about Farside22 being a Quack Doctor, you should lynch him if I die overnight".

Well done. Townie points for reading comprehension. The way i see it, Farside is an easy wagon at the moment. Regardless of his affiliation, he is very likely to get lynched today. I think he is probably scum, BUT if he isnt, i have to think, how would the real scum behave in response to his wagon. And my answer is: they would oppose it, to distance from the mislynch. I should note that regardless of his affiliation, im not buying the Quack Doctor argument.
I could be wrong, but it seems like his claim has been fabricated in order to support this point. Im not sure if this could be a motive for changing his claim, but its possible. My opinion is, if Farside turns out to be town, you are scum, who tried to use the only argument he could think of to distance himself from a protown lynch.

I hope this clears some issues up.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BUT if he isnt, i have to think, how would the real scum behave in response to his wagon. And my answer is: they would oppose it, to distance from the mislynch. I should note that regardless of his affiliation, im not buying the Quack Doctor argument.

I disagree the case on me orginally started with WIFOM logic which scum can use and people just follow. Those opposing it after my comment after voting for me based on the WIFOM may look scummie if the lynch is inevitable as far as I know PJ is still voting on me, but not sure since I haven't seen a vote count in a bit. Telling people to look at PJ after your death is just giving scum an opportunity to not only killing you, but letting PJ get easy lynched for the next day which is stupid if you are town.

thats on the grounds that PJ is scum. Of course it'll all be WIFOM tomorrow either way. I'm just making it clear that his stance is pinging my scumdar.

BM

[Battle Mage]

*rubs temples*

ROFL. Must...resist...urge to...SIG!

1.)

I find it "surprising" because you just recently listed your top seven 'suspects' -- none of which included me -- and now you are suggesting I be lynched tomorrow if Farside22 turns up scum and you die overnight. It seems to me like I've just bypassed at least six people on your list without explanation.

Chillax. I made that statement more as a representation of my suspicion of you, and the grounds on which i would consider you scummy for it, as opposed to actually saying you were the scummiest player in the game.

2.)

I don't care one iota about getting 'town points' from you. I do care that you appear to be treating Pooky as if he were on unequal ground from the other players. Both Pooky and I suggest lynching as if there is no jester; you only FoS me. The three most vocal players for the Jester-Claim-On-Day-One Plan was mith, Pooky, and myself; yet the only people you claim suspicion on in this matter was mith and myself. In other words, you are not applying the same criteria to Pooky as you have been applying to other players.

Lol, stop it man. You're gonna give yourself a complex. Listen to me, ok.
I DO NOT LIKE POOKY MORE THAN YOU. YOU'LL ALWAYS BE MY FAVOURITE SCUMMER.
rinse, repeat and relax.

Seriously though, maybe i missed the fact that Pooky said similar things. I call it as i see it, and its quite possible that i dont see everything. Either way, im not quite sure im seeing what point you are trying to make here. Other than the ridiculous accusation that i am buddying up to Pooky, i cant see a reasonable conclusion to your suggestion.

The fact that you included Pooky in your "list of seven" is not really that relevant to me. What is relevant is that you have avoided FoSing him or voting, while doing the same to those players who say the same statements as he does.

Ok Poirot, thats your analysis. Now evaluate based on what you have discovered.

4.)

If Farside22 is lynched today and she comes up town, then

unless somebody happens to claim both the mith kill and the Sarcastro kill

, I will definitely be playing under the assumption that she was indeed a Quack Doctor.

Umm with all due respect, what in the hell are you talking about!?
If Farside dies and comes up town, guess what? We will be TOLD whether or not he was quack doctor or a normal doctor. No need for silly assumptions.

And if that is the case, then regardless of whether or not you 'buy' it I will have been

correct

. I've already explained my reasoning for thinking a Quack Doctor is likely to be occurring in this game.

If that happens, i will officially give you a cookie. And then lynch you.

Additionally, why are you now applying this theory to only the Farside22 lynch (if it occurs), while not the Greasy Spot lynch or the Monkey lynch? Believe it or not,

if a townsperson believes somebody who is town is on the path to being lynched, they are going to object against it

.

Most probably because the Farside wagon is slightly different, in that i feel it is just waiting to be completed, and scum have plenty of time to hop off, and even subtly fight it.

Simply because something

might

be a scum strategy does not discount it from being something a townsperson would also do. Additionally, you are giving those people who have been hopping on Farside22 an extremely easy pass; your last post is in fact almost

inviting

them to lynch Farside22 because at least from your perspective, the person who will look worst if she turns up town will be the person giving reasons

against

the lynch.

True enough, but i go with my gut. If you seriously think the mafia are going to go by what i tell them is scummy, and what isnt, you have another thing coming. Of course, its possible that theyve been fighting for a Farside lynch all along, but it seems unlikely gambit, which would draw them into the open unnecessarily.

BM

[Battle Mage]

*waits for hammer*

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

This conversation has more to offer imo.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote Vote: Hasdgfas

Amen brother!

[Battle Mage]

Unvote Vote: Hasdgfas

Amen brother!

I'm confused by this post: Do you think he's scum and faking his role restriction, or scum with a pro-scum role restriction? Given the possibility of the latter, why would you choose to contribute to activating his power (which presumably would be getting to nightkill) by using the A-word?

Wait, that word actually gives him a power?!

oh s**t.

Interesting that some people are asking hasd why he waited so long to come out with the info -- I was wondering why he bothered to come out at all. I tend to agree with farside that her lynch is nigh on inevitable, and it's not like his information provided more definite proof in either direction (because of the obvious possibility of a double kill -- though ckd makes a good point against the likelihood of that). It just seemed to have needlessly outed a power role. I can't really see why either a vig or a scum faking vig would come out in that position, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

Cam

Motive for scum fakeclaiming vig would be that should Farside turn out to be a Jester, as is becoming slightly more likely, it makes Hasdgfas look like he is confirmed.
A Vig with a ridiculously hindering PR?

Bullshit.

BM

[Battle Mage]

A Vig with a ridiculously hindering PR?

Bullshit.

BM

Hasdagas is not a vig, he gets a surprise power depending on his ability to get players to shout Amen.

I guess he got vig last night. Surprise! He shot a townie.

If he got his ability then why is he still only saying two words?

hmm. What did he claim to do Night 1?

[Battle Mage]

hmm ok.

Unvote

[Battle Mage]

Any particular reason why you're not re-voting Farside22, Battle Mage?

Im not going to commit myself till ive had a proper think about it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

rofl! This from Pooky- the guy who wasted about a WEEK with some crazy idiotic gambit which frankly, we were lucky didnt result in power roles being outted.

The vanishing Houdini of Thespival saying I'm stalling?

oh dear. lol

BMA\

[Battle Mage]

rofl! This from Pooky- the guy who wasted about a WEEK with some crazy idiotic gambit which frankly, we were lucky didnt result in power roles being outted.

The vanishing Houdini of Thespival saying I'm stalling?

oh dear. lol

BMA\

rofl! This from Battle Mage- the guy who wasted a vote with some crazy idiotic attack on hasgfas, claiming that a post restricted vig (not that he claimed vig, mind you) would be impossible in a setup themed after a MeatWorld Meet where we played Mostlly Mute Mafia.

The illogical Jester of Mafiascum saying Pooky's crazy and idiotic?

oh dear. lol

MOS\

quit talking crap MoS. I didnt 'waste a vote'. If youd been paying attention, youd know that when you make a vote in a mafia game, you can retract it-it is very rarely permanent and irreversible.
And yes, a Vig with a PR doesnt make alot of sense. You actually dont have a clue what you are talking about. -.-

BM

[Battle Mage]

Farside is at -1. As a PJ wagon doesnt look like its going to get anything useful done at this stage, i'm pretty much ready to hammer unless anyone has anything else pressing to say.

BM

[Battle Mage]

<is getting

really

tired of these Beep! Beep!-Battle Mage-Pooky interactions>

Battle Mage, Pooky is now defending Farside22. What do you think of that?

< is pretty tired of PJ's general arrogance, but had the decency not to mention that until now.

And yes, i had noticed Pooky's change of tack. It doesnt make me more confident of Farside-scum, but because its Pooky, its not as if hes going to communicate in a way i can understand, so we are left with no clue of WHY he doesnt want a Farside lynch. Even so, i think this is the best move for the town atm.

Vote: Farside22

===================[] HAMMAH!

[Battle Mage]

This game is starting to make a little more sense now. With the Jester down, we should have an easier job today. Plenty of leads at least. Oh and i am now 95% sure PJ is town. Something i spotted at the end of yesterday. Vague i know, but live with it.

Battle Mage

1.)

Did you send a PM to Thesp yesterday when you hammered Farside22? I tried to post something

very quickly

after you did so, but the thread had already been locked practically instantaneously.

Actually i DID!
I saw he was already online, so i figured a pm prod would enable him to reveal Farside's affiliation. I hate suspense.

2.)

Prior to hammering, you asked if anybody had anything pressing to say; after only a couple posts and a few minutes, you then hammered. Why even bother

asking

if anybody has anything to say if you were going to hammer with so few responses?

3.)

Why would you even

bother

hammering in a game where a deadline was coming up anyways,

and

we have plurality lynches (i.e. your vote was not even necessary?

Hammering ends the day. Theres no point letting time run down if we are done talking, and cant go any further till we know a players affiliation. It was polite to give a little time for people online to speak. I'm not the most patient person in the world. I'm not going to wait around ages for everyone to check in. Thats just the way i are.

I think Beep! Beep! and Battle Mage are scum together. Yesterday was completely unacceptable. Beep! Beep!'s arguments have been

preposterously

bad, and she can no longer even use the concept of Jester to possibly dissuade lynches on herself any longer.

Vote: Beep! Beep!

. This could

so

easily be a Battle Mage vote.

I think, given the information we now have, there are far better plays today. I'm torn between 2, and neither of them are DGBeep.

Beep Beep- could you please explain your scum scores in more detail. Currently they are totally incomprehensible. You have PJ as top by a country mile, yet according to the data you have listed, he is far from scummy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

EBWOP: Sorry, Beep Beep IS 1 of the two people i was talking about.
I forgot who it was who replaced Wolfcrier.
Yeh im happy to lynch her or the more obvious choice.
Prize to the first person to work that one out.

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol thanks. its not actually my b'day though. but i appreciate the thought

BM

[Battle Mage]

so basically it punishes people who vote alot?

[Battle Mage]

We have now lost 10/21 players. We got rid of the Jester, but we have no scum so far.

We have also lost mucho power roles.

I'm just vanilla, and I'm expendable, so lynch me today if that's what you think is best. But we are now 11, and there may be up to 3 kills per night, so that tomorrow me might be as few as 7 players, against possibly 4 living scum.

Actually i was thinking if we have 5 scum now, as is fairly likely, we could be at LyLo.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: CKD

I can go with this today, but tomorrow we defo kill Beep Beep, k?

BM

[Battle Mage]

ill be back with more comments later dw. Though frankly i think we are pretty much done for today, as soon as everyone checks in.

BM

[Battle Mage]

R

W, I agree.

B

eep Beep, your theory is that because the mafia didnt kill farside this proves that he is scum?

R

eally?

B

ecause wouldnt it be a good idea for the mafia to target someone else and push to kill farside today?

R

ight, why are you dismissing that fact?

B

etter to wait a bit to see what information Pooky provides, for a have a feeling my vote is going to change.

That's a pretty late game breadcrumb. Do you have breadcrumbs for other roles scattered in your posts? You've given yourself a pretty wide time frame for breadcrumbing. I suspect you might have some backup plans.

Im not buying it. I might have been slightly more inclined to believe you had you claimed vanilla. The fact that you have been caught out and about, follows on to a power role claim. And Beep Beep is right about that Breadcrumb being weak. The idea about a breadcrumb is that it should be prominent enough so we know u havent breadcrumbed multiple roles at different times. This is too weak. And regardless, we've guaranteed ourselves a 50-50 shot at scum. I'm pretty happy to go with that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hm, roleblocker. But not targeting Pooky, it didn't fits with the track result claim.

NB: CKD, your 'breadcrumb' sucks.

that is why I know that Has is lying..I did target someone last night, but it wasnt Pooky...Has claims he tracked me to pooky, but I didnt go there...if I was going to lie about my claim, wouldnt it have been easier for me to say yeah I am a roleblocker and yeah I targetted pooky? That would explain why I went there...and I didnt just make it up because I bread crumbed that a while ago...

Beep, read through my post....see if I have left any other crumbs

...I tend to like to leave easy crumbs to find so that they can not be manipulated or confused..

I have to head out now...

Last night I targetted RW.
Night 2, Talitha
Night 1, Talitha

in other words: "hey scumbuddy. Please can you have a little look to see if any of my other posts can be construed as breadcrumbs for me?"

BM

[Battle Mage]

To respond to Beep! Beep!:

1.)

I asked hasdgfas to break his restriction before he claimed to have a tracking result; you asked him

not

to break his restriction

after

he claimed. The two contexts are quite different.

2.)

Despite you claiming to not rely on your scum scores, you sure go out of your way to post them. You are relying too much on them both for your suspicions so far as I am concerned, as well as to make it seem like you are putting effort into the game.

3.)

Please show me how I 'laid low' in the game. I feel like I have been one of the more vocal players in the game.

~~~~~

The idea about a breadcrumb is that it should be prominent enough so we know u havent breadcrumbed multiple roles at different times. This is too weak

Regardless of CKD's alignment, I do not think his breadcrumb was particularly weak. He crumbed the same role three times in the same post; if he had claimed something else, it would have been quite easy to spot his RB-crumb given that you have three chances to find it. In my experience, players crumb using first letters of sentences all the time. The bigger factor is by the fact that he claimed to have crumbed on page 42 of the game.

THAT's enough to convince you?!
A couple of his sentences started with the letters 'B' and 'R'. Oh silly me, he must be an RB. -.-


BM

[Battle Mage]

...

Six sentences

in the same post started with an alternating "R" and "B". That is not happenstance; it was very clearly done as breadcrumb. Most players only breadcrumb things once (such as Clearly... Over... Persnickity for a COP claim). Doing it three times makes it far from weak; this means that if CKD had claimed something

else

, there would be

no way

he would be able to avoid that particular post. That post was very clearly made as a breadcrumb as an RB-claim, and nothing else. By inserting the question "Really?" and additionally using the beginning phrase "Right,", there is no way that post can be seen as occuring from happenstance; he used

awkward language

so that he could get himself to use those particular letters in that particular order.

and you noticed the breadcrumb at the time right?
because i didnt. And im pretty sure i wouldnt have UNTIL HE CHOSE TO POINT IT OUT.

BM

[Battle Mage]

good. i look forward to seeing this pbpa.

BM

[Battle Mage]

mafia RB?

I doubt it. Notice how all his claimed targets are dead, so we have no way to confirm him? -.-

This is too easy.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Amen brother! :p

[Battle Mage]

Iammars: Yeah, that last line made no sense. If you're talking about CKD, why would the page number convince you he's telling the truth? I put forward an argument that the page number is actually evidence

against

the possibility he's telling the truth.

It's page 42. Don't tell me you don't know what that means.

Please tell me it doesnt have anything to do with the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. -.-

[Battle Mage]

Sorry I haven't been posting, but I've been really busy. I'll try to make up for it by posting something about every player.

I have to head out now...

Last night I targetted RW.
Night 2, Talitha
Night 1, Talitha

I don't think this has been pointed out yet, but shouldn't there be four results?

Good point. Did we have a night with no kills then?

Oh and btw, im probably not going to be posting much in this thread now, although ill read when i can, and answer anything posed to me.
I actually cant be bothered to go along with some self-righteous crusade to delve deeper into the affiliations of every player, simultaneously making the thread unnecessarily swollen.

PJ, you asked me 3 questions?

BM

[Battle Mage]

yes. Your predecessor claimed Lyncher, but neglected to claim a target. Can you please fill in the gap?

BM

[Battle Mage]

yes. Your predecessor claimed Lyncher, but neglected to claim a target. Can you please fill in the gap?

BM

I have been warned about you, sir.

lol its good to know that scum fear me.

[Battle Mage]

yes. Your predecessor claimed Lyncher, but neglected to claim a target. Can you please fill in the gap?

BM

I have been warned about you, sir.

lol its good to know that scum fear me.

Actually, Patrick tends to be town, doesn't he? And I don't think he's scared of you. I'll ask, though.

lol- tends to be town?
Are you suggesting that his roles arent given randomly? 0.o
Have you read any of the thread yet?
I'm still waiting on your target claim.

Did Patrick really warn you about me? Because this is Thespival, modded by Thesp, and Patrick isnt playing as far as i'm aware. lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

Welcome Mizzy.

Hi to you! Small world, no?

really? are you 8 foot tall?

[Battle Mage]

amen brother.

[Battle Mage]

lol- tends to be town?
Are you suggesting that his roles arent given randomly? 0.o
Have you read any of the thread yet?
I'm still waiting on your target claim.

Did Patrick really warn you about me? Because this is Thespival, modded by Thesp, and Patrick isnt playing as far as i'm aware. lol

BM

Statistically, because there are more town roles than mafia roles, most people tend to be town.

In which case your comment about Patrick does not contain anything relevant.

And yes, I started from the beginning, but I'm at work so I can only read so much so fast.

Ok, what page are you on?

You can keep waiting like a good lil player. There is no rushing the hormonal woman, unless you enjoy pain.

is that your alibi for when you nightkill me?

And yes, Patrick is not in this game, nor is he modding. But he still warned me about you. Probably because I'm sweet and innocent.

what did he say?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I don't think there's such a thing as sweet and innocent on

this

site.

if there was, it would be called 'Aimee'.
lol

[Battle Mage]

In which case your comment about Patrick does not contain anything relevant.

Sure doesn't. Didn't mean it to, though. Was kind of trying to subtly hint that I'm not scum, but you ruined the whole effect. Meanie.

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

Ok, what page are you on?

A number between 1 and 65.[/quote]
deliberately vague. what you got to hide?

is that your alibi for when you nightkill me?

O.o I don't even know how to respond to that. [/quote]
an honest 'yes' would make me happy.

what did he say?

He begged me not to tell you. I like men who beg, so I agreed not to. [/quote]
O.o I don't even know how to respond to that.

a couple more things to point out.
1. You still havent confirmed/denied the lyncher claim.
2. Why would Patrick warn you about me? Its not like he goes around telling everyone to steer clear, and i dont think you had much time before replacing in to seek his opinion. And if u had, i dont see why his opinion would be bad.
3. Why did AmeliaSlay bail so suddenly and with no reason?

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol sorry about the tags. Please fix, Thesp?

[Battle Mage]

Okay, fine, I'll spill if only because I don't want anyone to think I'm talking about the game outside the thread about anything important/game-related.

I'm not all that experienced here yet, and your claim-asking, BM, confused me because I didn't quite know what you meant, so I asked Patrick what a Lyncher claim is. He just said you're "a character" and that I'd get to know you through reading the thread.

That is all, folks.

Did he tell you what a lyncher was?
Did you tell him your actual role?

BM

[Battle Mage]

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

How can I be over-defensive about something I don't feel defensive about? O.o

You dont feel defensive about looking scummy? shame on you...

deliberately vague. what you got to hide?

Just the page number. I'll get you know once I get into the meat of the game in my read-through.

You havent started yet, have you?
rofl

an honest 'yes' would make me happy.

I can't give you an honest 'yes' here because a 'yes' wouldn't be honest.

why didnt you give me a 'no' then? Because you are a Lyncher?

a couple more things to point out.
1. You still havent confirmed/denied the lyncher claim.
2. Why would Patrick warn you about me? Its not like he goes around telling everyone to steer clear, and i dont think you had much time before replacing in to seek his opinion. And if u had, i dont see why his opinion would be bad.
3. Why did AmeliaSlay bail so suddenly and with no reason?

1. I honestly have no idea what you're asking for, but I'll try and answer if you supply some post numbers that explain what it is I'm supposed to be answering.
2. All he said was that you are a "character." I took that as a warning that you are someone to take in stride.
3. I have no idea, but you could ask her if you really want to know.

1. AmeliaSlay claimed Lyncher. Assuming she was telling the truth, can you please claim your target, from your role pm. Failure to do so will result in your lynch.

2. Patrick loves me really.

3. I dont think thats allowed. Im speculating anyway. Maybe if someone knows a legitimate reason for her departure, they can tell me. Otherwise, i'll have to make my own mind up. Do you not find it suspicious?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Did he tell you what a lyncher was?
Did you tell him your actual role?

1) No, he just laughed
2) No, of course not.

1. Try reading ur role pm then.

Do you think its within the rules for me to check that you did ask Patrick that question? lol

BM

[Battle Mage]

1. AmeliaSlay claimed Lyncher. Assuming she was telling the truth, can you please claim your target, from your role pm. Failure to do so will result in your lynch.

... I have no idea why she would do that. Post # please?

ok fair enough.

3. I dont think thats allowed. Im speculating anyway. Maybe if someone knows a legitimate reason for her departure, they can tell me. Otherwise, i'll have to make my own mind up. Do you not find it suspicious?

Well, I can't say I find it suspicious seeing as I don't know why she left. I do know that things come up IRL (as they are about to for me, though I am not going to leave the game) and real life takes precedence. So, no, I have neutral feelings on it.

[/quote]

Do you think she was town or scum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Do you think she was town or scum?

Seeing as I got her role PM, I know she was (and therefor I am) town.

Interesting phrasing, by the way...I replaced her so why not ask what her alignment

was

and not what I

think

it is?

Maybe im seeing if you'll slip up after interrogation. Plus im enjoying testing a variety of traps

Hence, knowing she was town, what is the most likely explanation in your mind, for her leaving?
Aside from real life stuff, which would require her to leave all her games.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Maybe im seeing if you'll slip up after interrogation. Plus im enjoying testing a variety of traps

Fair enough.

Hence, knowing she was town, what is the most likely explanation in your mind, for her leaving?
Aside from real life stuff, which would require her to leave all her games.

Well, this is a pretty long game, and by the death count on the first page, town isn't doing so hot. I can conceive that someone might get a bit of ennui when it comes to the game. I know the concept of a full read-through on its own is pretty daunting.

odd though, as she had posted on the same page, and not given any indication of wanting out then.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, thanks for your co-operation. Question carries over to other players.

BM

[Battle Mage]

My goodness. Can we let her read?

There's plenty of interesting stuff to talk about instead...

Cam

Plenty..., really?

i think he was being sarcastic.

[Battle Mage]

Heh. Actually I wasn't. The Has/CKD dispute is pretty intricate in and of itself

Simplest way to solve it is to lynch one of them, no?

and we can also talk about whether PJ is scummy for her recent behavior

I dont think PJ is scum.

or whether or not I'm scummy for my recent behavior.

Recent behaviour? I see little reason to suspect you on your behaviour. The strongest argument against you consists of 1 word. MeMe.

Or if Beep's scum scores are reasonable.

Personally i think they are pretty ridiculous. No offence to Beep Beep but i just cant see any solid logic for them.

Or when Iammars is going to post some real content.

I guess maybe a prod would be in order? Or enforced replacement if he isnt going to contribute. Personally im happy if he joins the CKD wagon atm.

Or whether we're at LYLO -- I don't think it's very likely, but others seem to think it might be.

I doubt we are at LyLo, but i bet we're pretty close.

Cam

BM

On a serious note, im still waiting to see what 3 questions PJ posed to me. I'd also like to see a lynch within the next 48 hours. Lets get this game moving already.

BM

[Battle Mage]

^eh? is that post contradictory or what?

[Battle Mage]

^Somewhat yup, I just realized what I underlined, lol. No, I don't think MeMe was that scummy. I'm still unsure about MeMe/mathcam, tbh.

ok, what has Mathcam done to make you feel that way?

BM

[Battle Mage]

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

Vote: Battle Mage

Blatant scum tell.

lol you sure thats not coz i suggested the Mod kick you out of the game?

BM

[Battle Mage]

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Why would wanting to out the Jester be more of a towntell, than a scumtell, as theoretically, scum and town both want the jester outted asap?

BM

[Battle Mage]

FoS Iammars..

Why exactly do you feel that BM is a better vote than Has or myself?

BM hasn't really been feeling great with me all game, which is slightly unusual, but that last post just flipped the trigger. It is impossible for anyone to be overdefensive.

Wtf are you on about? Of course its possible to be over-defensive. -.-

And your meta is a lie btw. As far as i recall, we have only played 1 game together recently, and in that, you felt suspicious of me if i recall correctly...

BM

[Battle Mage]

ive heard what CKD has to say, and i still see no alternative to his lynch today.
no hard feelings,

BM

[Battle Mage]

FoS Iammars..

Why exactly do you feel that BM is a better vote than Has or myself?

BM hasn't really been feeling great with me all game, which is slightly unusual, but that last post just flipped the trigger. It is impossible for anyone to be overdefensive.

Wtf are you on about? Of course its possible to be over-defensive. -.-

And your meta is a lie btw. As far as i recall, we have only played 1 game together recently, and in that, you felt suspicious of me if i recall correctly...

BM

A town member has the right to be as defensive as he wants. He knows he's town, so he wants to prevent his lynch as much as possible. Therefore, you can't fault overdefensiveness.

And I read a lot of other games. I develop metas based on games I'm not in.

Thats too vague for my tastes. How about you try naming these games, so we can tell whether u are bsing or not?
Oh and btw, i think youre misinterpreted over-defensiveness there. Obviously when you are actually under real pressure, being defensive isnt so bad. But OVER-defensiveness is defensiveness when it isnt really necessary from a town perspective.

BM

[Battle Mage]

if CKD is scum, this town is unbelievably fucked. If Has is scum, its no biggie. CKD knows why.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Opportunist.

vote: mathcam

rofl! Irony at its finest, for sure.

NB: Voting scum is not a scumtell. Or do you think Mathcam is bussing?

BM

[Battle Mage]

got a prod. still perfectly happy with lynching CKD.

BM

[Battle Mage]

so much scumminess around, but CKD is the best play for today. IamMars is our lynch tomorrow, for sure.

[Battle Mage]

DGB, why do you want CKD prodded?

[Battle Mage]

well maybe u couldve specified that earlier, given how long we have left

[Battle Mage]

CKD, if you read this before you're lynched, you know what i want from you.

Views on IamMars please.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I said mathcam was scum.

it was pretty obvious from MeMe's behaviour, Mathcam was screwed from the moment he joined the game, and did damn well to pull off a victory.

BM