Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[curiouskarmadog]

/confirm

[curiouskarmadog]

vote greasy spot

..(insert witty reasoning here about spots that are greasy)

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my god, the content..

think this is the first game I have ever read anything pooky has written and thought a.) thats not scummy or b.) hey now, that makes sense..

at any rate, my vote on Greasy Spot was random, but I am now confirming it.

Dani Banani, any reason you chose to explain why you were not voting Greasy spot with your semi-random vote on MoS? what was the not so random part of the vote on MoS?

[curiouskarmadog]

thought when I said that pooky's posting made sense that would logically mean I wasnt the jester.

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I am here, now that the site isnt taking me 10 minutes per post, I will get caught up over the weekend.

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ok am I missing why we are having so many relgious praises? some sort of inside joke?

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Look at hasdgfas's posts, then read Mostly Mute Monk Mafia. It appears that he has the restriction from that game.

jesus christ, I dont have time to read the games I am in, much less a completed one I was never in, someone what to summarize for me?

[curiouskarmadog]

eidt: "want to summarize"

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If he suddenly "drops" his restriction tomorrow (or a later day), I would suggest not lynching him unless there is a dead jester or we can be reasonably sure he is not the jester, since "breaking a restriction with no punishment" is an obvious tactic for the jester, if for some stupid reason they do not claim today

I'm also not sure why he has the "Amen"/"Hallelujah" in his posts, since we had nothing like that at Thespival when

we

played Mostly Mute. If it's the case that he is Mafia and there is nothing along the lines of "Monk" in his role-name (where the Amen/Hallelujah came from), I believe it is reasonable to assume somebody in the mafia is experienced enough to know about that particular game and suggested using those particular words...

well I guess it wont drop it now that you told him you would lynch him if he doesnt. Want to make sure I got this straight, since I wasnt at Thespival, there was no game where people yell "amen" and such in there posts?

ok, can someone provide a link to that game?

[curiouskarmadog]

then it wouldn't hurt you to do it again instead of being snide and making yourself look even more obnoxious, not to mention scummy

this little post stuck out to me, BM has already answered the question...why would it make him more scummy if he doesnt answer it again? Seems like you just wanted a reason to say something and look town here. please explain.

[curiouskarmadog]

You know the really sad part is that we're spending an inordinate amount of time on the Jester when we really need to be looking for scum. Currently, GS and BM are my favorites for lynch today just from the distraction they've caused from our true purpose- finding and lynching scum.

and how did they cause distraction?

and (maybe I have missed it) what are you doing to scum hunt? At least this has spawned conversation.

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I wasnt.

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Mod:

1: Can you update the fact that I've replaced Dark Ermac in this game.

2: I'm going to be away for the weekend, getting married tonight.

Players:

Will be back shortly to post something, although I've read up to this point and can't come up with a quick thought to write down. I'll spend some time reading.

kick ass!

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BM, I agree that he is inconsistent, but does that equal scummy over just bad logical reasoning? As it has been pointed out to me (repeatedly) on this site, being hypocritical is by no means scummy. Now, I tend to disagree when there is a vote involved and I dont think he actually has his vote on you. All this being said, I might agree with you and vote Quickben, but GS is by far the scummiest atm and my vote will stay here.

QB, what are your thoughts on GS? So do you think BM is scummier than MoS (where your vote is currently).

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has, I am confused, does votes count toward your two word PR?

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PJ, why am I on the list?

And I'll give wolfcrier a moment to explain himself, but i'm prone to voting for him, too. I'll decide after he posts his first response

what do you think wolf needs to "explain himself" about?

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I actually don't really know. Sheepish answer, I know. But it would feel iffy voting him before he even posted in the new day.

why would you vote him?

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he made a lot of contradictions on day one, and he was quoted as saying mith was extremely scummy when mith is, obviously not. same reasons as everyone else.

so you think he is scummy because he said mith was scummy, what about me, I thought GS was scummy and he turned out to be town.and refresh my memory where was your vote day 1?

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umm, MoS care to explain what are protown about Ross's mistakes?

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throwing my 2 cents out there. I am finding Ross's play quite scummy, however, it seems to be obviously so. Which leads me to believe that he is either a newbie (scum or town) or the jester. That is why I have not placed my vote as of yet on him(still undecided).

Not sure why Monkey has votes on him, I am assuming for pressure sake.

I have only played with Sarc once, but there is nothing here (yet) that suggests he is playing any differently. Cant discuss the other game because it is still ongoing, but I will say that his play here (as a reflection of that game) does not warrant my vote at this point.

What DOES stand out to me is this...

Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes. I may have questioned him if I had the time, but I doubt I would have, and wouldn't have done it nearly as efficiently as you did. His answers to your questions gave me much better insight into his actions and gives me another perspective, allowing me to see how wrong I believe I was before.

what notes? when did Ross make it into your notes as being one of the scummiest players?

then you get a little pressure (not even, more like a question or two) you unvote and post following:

I always keep notes on games. They used to be elaborate, but in the past year or so, they've been plummeting in quality.

My list of scummy players is small. There's been a lot of suspicion on Monkey, but you might be surprised to hear i only have one note on him, and it's in his favor. He refused to vote simply because mith wanted everybody to place a vote by the first week. He wanted to be more informed of his actions and not act hastily.

My notes say I'm at the top of page 16 on rereading this thread (skimming), and I have two living suspects currently. While they were alive, GS and mith were on that list. I even remember voicing that I had some suspicions on mith's behavior, but wasn't too sure how much of that was because of the jester ploy.

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest. Also, I believe after hearing Ross's explanation,

Unvote

so after yesterday, your scum list is Ross, BM, Monkey, and Meme? Or is Ross now off your list? If so what about Ross's reply made you suddenly change your mind? Something about this post does not seem geniune to me.

FoS al_kohaulec

. this would be a vote right now, if PJ hadnt asked you about these "notes". Question, how confident are you in your notes usually (for I assume you take them in every game)?...how confident are you in your notes Day 2 in this game?

Also why didnt you unvote once Ross replied, why did you wait to unvote AFTER PJ questioned you about your notes?

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This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.

when did that start to happen?

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I stand corrected, Al_ko, did state that he had one “note” in Monkey’s favor.

I feel like your reply was adequate and forth coming, so I

unfos Al-ko

, thanks for your speedy reply.

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I wouldn't have joined a game right now that wasn't Thespival mafia.

I havent played with you before, so I dont know if this is common for you...I understand being busy, but the majority of your posts state you dont have time to post.

think there will be time in the future...interested hearing your thoughts on that game here in Day 2.

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my problem with Ross is his play is SO obvious as scum, he has to be a newbie or the jester...

wolf, your thoughts on the jester?

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I'm the jester, as well as the cult of the couch....

what kind of sick and twisted person would make the cult recruiter the jester?

that being said,

vote RossWilliams

, fear of the jester kept my vote away.

curious though, tyhess why did you tell us?

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well, I am quite curious why he claimed..there was no reason to that I can see..Tyhesss, care to shed some light on it?

BM, is there any reason that you can think of that he would have claimed jester if he wasnt?

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tyhess please answer this question for me.

curious though, tyhess why did you tell us?

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dammit tyhess.....that was either a brillant move or an an idiotic move.

unvote RossWilliams

, now I cant be sure his horrid play is not purposeful

When I was scum and playing in a game with a jester (at Thespival), I remember (subtly) trying to get people to think I might be the jester, so they would not want to lynch me.

Just throwing that out there...

*goes back to burying head in the depths of page 13*

so what the hell does that mean for this game? We know tyhess is the recruiter. Why does this feel like posting to make it look like you are (finally) contributing more than you really all..

fos Talitha

, this will turn into a vote very soon if you dont post and contribute.

[curiouskarmadog]

Uhh, CKD... grow a brain. Or something.

nice...

am I wrong?

[curiouskarmadog]

fair enough,

vote Talitha

[curiouskarmadog]

will change when excuses turn into content.

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is it? why is that? 60 seconds or 12 hours? More posts without content....I wonder how long we would have to endure the "sorry I am busy" posts until you actually said something worth reading until I brought it to light? Page 27 now, have an estimate for us?

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"Will" change, huh? Interestinger.

that is correct, you been here awhile so I am sure you know what a pressure vote looks like..should I be expecting an OMGUS vote soon?

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"baiting" you to participate if you will...well is it going to be another 27 pages?

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You insert an insult instead of an answer. Out of your 16 posts one can be said to have content (sort of). I am scum hunting, what are you doing but offering empty promises?

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Pooky, I have no f-ing clue what the crap you are doing or how this helps in any way. I think it is distracting and a waste of time!

also, I will take the 3rd spot.

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unvote Talitha.

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How about the way they have folded under intense scrutiny?

Much like guilty scum running for the border.

This is the equivalent of 2 crooks deciding to hide overseas after they post bail when they realize they don't have a chance in hell of getting through trial alive.

Hapless Dupe Number Three has to act outraged all the time at everything I say.

Dammit Pooky, I have grown tired of your crackpot theories and crazy assumptions. You would like us to believe that they are both probably scum and both cracked under your probbing? I wonder oh mighty leader of the HDs, what will you say if one or the other comes up town, will you still want to lynch the other? Heaven save the other if one comes up scum. Has anyone done a meta to see if they are still posting on the site at all, or has the imposing presence of Pooky scared them from the internet as well?


so, how did I do?

But seriously, CB is a disciple slayer alt...DS had to be replaced in all of his games, but then made this alt...most likely he is just not coming back...and wolf has posted in another game on the 4th....not sure what that means.

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actually upon meta-ing DS's games that he left (where his roles have been revealed because he was lynched), I think I might agree with Pooky (though outraged)

vote captain bandwagon.

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CDK:

What part of Al-Ko post 577 was adequate? Really the only one to say it was adequate and joined this game of Pooky's. Really don't get the game.

I found his overall statement exceptable and I thought it could make sense.

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unvote

though.

not seeing farside's play as scummy, seems to be contributing and actively scum hunting (even though it is against the grain)..Pooky, your thoughts on Far's last 2-3 posts?

[curiouskarmadog]

Scum can seem to actively scumhunt.

Not really much of an indicator of anything imo.

kill her.

what about jdga? wasnt wolf one of those that "crumbled" under your pressure?

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couldnt it be that it was faulty logic from a less than stable/permenant player? Wouldnt lynching wolf tell us more about the situation?

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Now Capt. Bandwagon jumps in with a comment "I think Wolf and RW r bussing. VOTE RossWilliam"

Frankly it's the most BS way to support a scumcomrade I've ever seen, "I think he is bussing someone, I think he's scum, so let me put my vote with his vote and support him and push rosswillaim towards a lynch"

Person A(CP) votes Person B (wolf) beause he thinks that B is bussing C (RW). But then votes C beause A think B and C are scum together...

no I guess you are right...voting person B will not give you any more information about A and C....I think I got the formula wrong with the replacements...

I bow to your genius...I guess.

vote farside

[curiouskarmadog]

Doc claim?

unvote

, obvious reasons

[curiouskarmadog]

Hm, if tomorrow our doc claimer is staying alive, then I will think further about her case. For now, I'll support an RW lynch or Monkey lynch, still.

posts like this always make me cringe.

as it stands, I dont want to lynch the possible doctor today. My vote will probably end up on JDGA before the "day" is out....

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

Why because your scum partner could be lynched.
Seriously what has JDGA said that makes you think he isn't scum or that I'm more likely scum?

ugh, this sounds like a deflection..., I dont like this post either, but your claim (without a counter claim) still stands good in my eyes

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unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

Why because your scum partner could be lynched.
Seriously what has JDGA said that makes you think he isn't scum or that I'm more likely scum?

ugh, this sounds like a deflection..., I dont like this post either, but your claim (without a counter claim) still stands good in my eyes

FoS: ckd

This sounds too much like asking for another player to counterclaim if they are the doctor. If farside is lying, she will be found out. Forcing a claim from the "real" doc, if there is one, only eliminates a valuable protective role from us for no purpose. Because even after the counterclaim, there'd be no knowing if there is more than one doc in this game or not.

first of all, in the same post you have gone from saying I was "asking for" to "forcing" a claim. I did nothing of the sort. I was explaining why I am not voting farside, furthermore, I do not see why other's are voting farisde. Please can you provide a quote where I was forcing anyone to claim? forcing anyone to counter claim?

Unvote

Vote: Farside

Before I explain myself, Farside, tell me where you found the cards, and how you recognized the pictures, and why you think that us asking about the picture is such a big deal?

now we are so close to deadline, you "will not explain yourself" and vote the claimed doc because he references cards that have been posted in the thread by the mod. I think you are trying anything to rouse a last minute BW...not buying it.

vote al_ko

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I just had a thought. I've been perfectly content waiting on the JDGA wagon for him to come back and post, but than I realized, what if he is indeed the joker? He sees he's well on the way to lynch, and conveniantly dissapears, let us think he's chicken or something, and lynch him. voila, he wins. this just made me really nervous, but I don't know if i'm willing to unvote yet. I don't know yet who a plausible replacement would be.

christ, I think I understand why people hate jester games

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I think it is interesting how everyone seems to be forgetting this post in reference to farside

That said why hasn't anyone asked what the picture of the doctor is. Obviously there are pictures on each of the cards. The mason on perry mason (cute) and the town has a pic. Well the pic on my card is on Bones McCoy from Star Trek. All I thought to say when I got it was "Damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a miracle worker."

he claimed doctor, and knew what the picture was BEFORE the actual doc picture was shown. I am not sure why he has 4 votes already? Are these the same pictures used at Thesp? Can people please explain to me why this is a good lynch?

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right right...keep going with it...who else claimed doc yesterday.

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ohhhh....I guess I missed that (going back to reread because apparently I need to).

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yeah he claimed, but in a game this size having 2 doctors (or a back up) is not that uncommon.

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I don't believe in the "two doctor" theory.

vote: farside22

why is that? Do you have a 20+ person game that you can reference or link us to that you ahve been in?...I think your conclusion of the evaluation of the wagons are lacking. You pointed out that Pooky has been on 5 of the wagons..and RW was on 3, but you think farside is the scum based on what?

I think you are deliberately misrepresenting the numbers here. You talk about the JDGA and Beep Beep wagon like they are two different people. They are not, the same people who thought JDGA was scummy, shouldn’t have to remove their vote because you replaced in. They still think JDGA was scummy, even though you replace in. I don’t think it was an accident that you have listed farside on both lynches.

Also I notice that you leave out one important person on the GS wagon.

Greasy Spot(town) WAGON
curiouskarmadog, mith(town), PookyTheMagicalBear, petroleumjelly,
Captain Bandwagon/farside, Cult of the Couch (1), Iammars, Mastermind of Sin

Greasy Spot - 11

(curiouskarmadog, mith, PookyTheMagicalBear, Captain Bandwagon,

Cult of the Couch (1)

, Iammars, Mastermind of Sin,

wolfcrier

, Monkey, RossWilliam, Sarcastro)

Why is it you deliberately take wolf out of the line up on this wagon? Maybe because you replaced in for wolf/jdga?! Also in your first analysis you didn’t even include the farside wagon? I think you didn’t because you went into this argument TRYING to figure out a way to push for Farside.

This is obvious scum pushing for a Doctor lynch. Also, if you come up scum, FoS RW, because he has been in as many lynches (in your conclusion as farside), and you decided to leave him off the GS wagon as well.

vote beep beep

I think the wagon needs to freaking slow down a bit….I also note the lack of rereading before voting.

That being said, when I have time…I will get to that.

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RW, I agree. Beep Beep, your theory is that because the mafia didnt kill farside this proves that he is scum? Really? Because wouldnt it be a good idea for the mafia to target someone else and push to kill farside today? Right, why are you dismissing that fact? Better to wait a bit to see what information Pooky provides, for a have a feeling my vote is going to change.

unvote

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got prodded, wow..anyway, dont agree with the farside lynch at this point. Especially with Pooky's claim...this information needs to come out sooner than later. Been waiting for Pooky mostly beforing (re)voting.

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far, what are you talking about?..what is wrong with my comment?

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MoS, when Pooky's provides the names, one of the two will have to be scum, how is farside a good lynch after those names are provided?..please explain.

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far, what are you talking about?..what is wrong with my comment?

It sounds like you are saying you agree with everyone that I should be lynched. Since you were the only one questioning my inevitable lynch I didn't consider you to be one of the mindless zombies out there.
I have no clue who is scum any more. I question Beep beep WIFOM comments. Holy's lack of scum hunting and BM's comment about just lynching and worry about discussion later. GL I think you are going to need it with this group.

got prodded, wow..anyway,

dont agree with the farside lynch at this point.

Especially with Pooky's claim...this information needs to come out sooner than later. Been waiting for Pooky mostly beforing (re)voting.

???

[curiouskarmadog]

I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.

Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.

look forward to reading yours as well

[curiouskarmadog]

I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.

Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.

look forward to reading yours as well

and remember 3 full sentences please

[curiouskarmadog]

I already know that no matter what I say I'm being lynched I have nothing to lose.

Please provide us with a list of your top 7 suspects, with rationale. Three full sentences per candidate minimum.

look forward to reading yours as well

I've made my list of suspects plenty clear and abundantly detailed.

I don't mind doing it again.

But farside goes first. 'Cuz I asked first.

no you have not...you are asking far to provide a scum list of 7 people with 3 sentences each..which is ridiculous, and you have done nothing close to what you are asking of him...he has provided 4, you can provide just as many, and remember no less than 3 sentences...

[curiouskarmadog]

note whatever you want. your request was unreasonable...there are 14 people left in this game and you wanted him to provide a scum list of 7 (that alone is just silly). And you want 3 sentences each why he thought they were scummy..he provided 4, but you are trying to make him look scummy, because he doesnt have any other suspects..

vote beep beep.

pleae provide a post number where you broke down your top 7 scum list (today) providing 3 sentences (each) why they were scummy.

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did I say that was the only thing you claimed, dont put words in my mouth.

why are you avoiding doing it? Why havent you provided post numbers if you already have?

dont you want to set an example of how easy it is? At least do you top 4 like he has.

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speaking of hard..you have yet to do it and you are avoiding it at this point...your turn.

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BM, I am not defending him as much as I dont understand how he is the play today. We still have got to hear from Pooky and I think Beep Beep's attack on farside is truly obxious...so obxious in fact he cant even do the everything he asked Farside to do.

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ugh..pooky's claim was crap?

well, that hurts my arguement that farside's lynch is not the play today...

think I need to reread this day from the beginning, I was banking that we had scum found through pooky.

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Holy, why do you feel that Beep Beep could be the jester?

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Holy, why do you feel that Beep Beep could be the jester?

I have an inkling that the Jester might be you, as you seem to hold many opinions contrary to logic, common sense, or going straight against the grain of the majority thinking in the game.

you mean the "majority thinking" and "common sense" that lynched Monkey? Please Beep, what opinions do I hold that are contrary to logic? That we had a claimed doc yesterday. That doc wasnt killed last night by mafia OR the vig OR the SK, so that means he has to be scum? If indeed farside is the doc and the mafia didnt kill them last night, what arguement do you think they would be using today to get him lynched? I believe the claim, he knew about the McCoy card before the McCoy card was shown...I know some link has been shown where you can see the card, but how did he know where to find that link? I didnt even know there was a link that had cards. Please explain your theory on this Beep (and anyone else).

There is plenty of scum in this game, which taint the "majority" opinion.

also Beep, were is that scum list you said you would post?

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Beep, were is that scum list you said you would post?

I want to do a good job. Later today.

care to address the rest of my post?

Holy, why do you feel that Beep Beep could be the jester?

BeepBeep predecessor was wolfcrier, if you read wolfcrier's posts, you'll found that he was saying things with a faint contradictory almost on his every post, like saying that he found someone was scummy but refuse to vote him at the same time. That kind of action seems like asking to be lynch for me.

but you feel like Beep is making perfect sense? if not, what dont you agree with in reference to anything he has been saying lately (note: both of you are push for farside's lynch)...also, Holy did you know about the game cards before the game started?


Iammars, I agree with BM, the doc claim saved his ass, I doubt a Jester would have wanted to save his own ass.

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Iammars, I agree with BM, the doc claim saved his ass, I doubt a Jester would have wanted to save his own ass.

Not if he expected to be counterclaimed. Then he would have expected to be lynched on that day, or the following day. Although - he'd have a 50-50 chance of being nightkilled or vigged, so it's a gambit he wouldn't try unless very close to being lynched.

what do you care, you think he is the lynch for today...also, still waiting on you to address the rest of my post.

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this was the post...please address the rest of it.

you mean the "majority thinking" and "common sense" that lynched Monkey? Please Beep, what opinions do I hold that are contrary to logic? That we had a claimed doc yesterday. That doc wasnt killed last night by mafia OR the vig OR the SK, so that means he has to be scum? If indeed farside is the doc and the mafia didnt kill them last night, what arguement do you think they would be using today to get him lynched? I believe the claim, he knew about the McCoy card before the McCoy card was shown...I know some link has been shown where you can see the card, but how did he know where to find that link? I didnt even know there was a link that had cards. Please explain your theory on this Beep (and anyone else).

There is plenty of scum in this game, which taint the "majority" opinion.

[curiouskarmadog]

you interept my posts incorrectly...they should be interepted as I think you are scum

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with Pooky, you must be a genius.

I am not defending farside, I am attacking your crap case.

also, if Farside is indeed a doc, what case would mafia use to attack him today?

You are scum, you are scum pushing an easy lynch. The fact that you make conclusions by leaps and bounds amaze me. Or maybe Holy isy right and you are the jester hoping that farside is indeed the the doc, so you take the blame tomorrow...if farside turns out scum, it is no skin off your teeth either.

Have you actually tried finding the cards yourself?

[curiouskarmadog]

so if you think that PJ, RW, and Meme are scum, and farside might be a jester...what is the wisdom in lynching farside when you have three other scum suspects?

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I feel sorry for you Beep Beep, your black and white world must be a horrible place to live.

Your case is crap, you lack any kind of foresight or common sense, you are making up numbers (and symbols now too) that no one gets or understands, you are suffering from sort of tunnel vision, and I think you are completely insane.

...or, you are the jester,

which means

unvote

.

[curiouskarmadog]

no doctor is going to come out and counterclaim on day one

that's so boneheaded bad play lol

so your thoughts on Beep Beep's case?

[curiouskarmadog]

How many people knew about how to look at the cards before Talitha sent the link?

[curiouskarmadog]

Farside22, to whom I ascribe a small probability of being Jester, can be taken care of tonight, or later.

nice directing of the vig.

Now farside is a jester who was almost lynched, but claimed Doc to stop the lynch which would have won the game for him.

jesus christ....

everyone post you post makes less and less sense..there is no way you really believe what you are posting.

[curiouskarmadog]

everyone post you post makes less and less sense..there is no way you really believe what you are posting.

this is suppose to read, "evertime you post it makes less and less....."

at any rate, Beep.....how many games have you played?

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Sorry guys.. I forgot how busy the week before spring break could get.

That being said: let me get down to tacks. I don't like your plan at all, MeMe. At this point in the game we are short a third of our players, all of whom were town. If we switch focus to discovering who the jester is, the mafia can easily take advantage by naming players whom they know or think to be town as the jester-- Since they're all alive, they have the numbers to give this some weight. If they neglect or refuse to nightkill our choice, following the plan we must lynch the "jester" the following day. If the former holds true, there's a good chance the nominee is in fact town. There are too many ifs here. Even with the small chance of your plan succeeding in finding the jester, it detracts too much from us finding scum, which is terrible when we haven't yet managed to lynch scum with a third of us dead!

Furthermore, you would have to convince the town to risk lynching the "jester" to to be in accordance with your plan, and some players might follow, but I think the majority will be too afraid of the possibilty of lynching the jester, because that's precisely who they'll expect to be lynching. It seems it's easier for the mafia to exploit this plan than it would be to gain a consensus.

At this point in the game, we need to focus on scumhunting, not fishing for the jester. If you are willing to risk lynching the jester for your plan, you should be willing to risk lynching the jester trying to find mafia.

vote: Meme

I understand your point, but why the vote? Did you suggest that she was scummy in that post somewhere and I miss it? All I got out of that post is that you didnt like the plan. If I missed it, please bold the parts where you thought she was scummy.

The Jester is a problem for everyone...us(vig), the mafia, the SK...I think that all groups should start popping off who they think is the jester (at night) if they havent all ready. I dont like directing them (but I must admit there are some people here that make me wish I was the vig) or other roles to do it. The Jester is the primary threat at the moment but we still have the SK and Mafia to worry about. SOmething about telling the RB to not RB seems wrong. I see where MeMe might be coming from, but I dont think it is up to us to force(maybe direct is a better word) anyone to follow. .it is up to the RB to decide if it is wise.

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Beep, again, where am I contray? Nice OMGUS vote on PJ too...how many times are you going to do that?

PJ, you dont think Beep is the jester?

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^^^agree with your read on Beep

dont agree that you should be playing the game like there was no jester. I think we do have a Vig, and dont agree with the fact that the Vig should NOT be trying to hit the jester. Why is it dumb for the Vig to try to find the jester?..the fact that we have a jester is hurting the town.

I have never been in a game that the mafia had multiple killing methods..how does it work? Is there a link to a game that mafia had multiple killing methods?

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PJ good point, I just see the jester as an obstacle, but you are right if we kill scum and the jester is still around, we still win.

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I took his point as meaning the Vig should target scummy players, not really target who they think is the jester...so that point IS a good point...targetting scummy players may result in a jester kill or scum kill, both are good for us.

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well sort of..

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withholding information

Sure is. That's how I find scum, and how I want to be able to continue finding scum. Nobody but me needs to believe in my method. I don't need to make converts. If you don't trust it, that's fine.

Vote me, lynch me over it. I don't care.

I am sure you would love that

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now wait a minute...farside? were you given the the McCoy card, or were you making that up? I have only seen a quack once, and it was a game that had 6 docs and 3 quacks..none of which knew if they were a quack or not. Is that the case here?

Why did you say that you targetted PJ and RW?

also I have a feeling Beep is the jester, no one can play so poorly by accident.

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I fucking knew it...DGB and Beep Beep are the same person...god everything makes so much sense now. No wonder I dont understand anything you are saying....which is funny, because i said the exact samething in another game about DGB today....

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vote Beep Beep

, I dont think you are the Jester now, you are just DGB, if the Mod assigned you the Jester role, he is a sick SOB.

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Farside22, I would like you to ask the mod whether or not -- if you were a hypothetical Quack Doctor -- you would be able to

kill

scum if you were to protect them.

why cant we ask this question in the open.

Mod, if we have a Quack Doc in this game, could that Doc target and kill scum?

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The reason I did it that way, CKD, was so that I could send in my own private PM to Thesp asking that precise question and to see if Farside22 claimed something contrary to the result I received. Additionally, Thesp never answered my question of whether a Sane Cop would receive a guilty result on a Jester when I asked it in-thread.

damn, sorry, My line of thinking was if you think he is scum, why are you relying on him to provide the information from the Mod...I guess there was a reason that didnt make sense.

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well, now I dont know where I stand on Farside....the fact that he lied about his targets and is now suggesting that he is a Quack Doc is weighing...is he at -2 or -1?...

think I need to see a

vote count.

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what I am really hung up here in reference to farside is the fact that he knew the McCoy card before we saw the McCoy card....it would make sense that we might have two doctor roles and one be a quack. The fact that these cards are online and maybe could have figured it out where they were bothers me.

Also, the fact that he lied bothers me...going to reread a bit and try to figure out motivation.

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it is harder for me to believe the Doc claim with the lies. I could look over the fact that after your claim you werent night kill, especially after DG..err..Beep, pushed that you must be mafia because you werent NKed...but I cant swallow the changing of the story...and as I doubt you are the jester..

vote farside.

I believe that puts him at -1

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her..sorry..the laughing male dog is throwing me off.

you want us to believe that instead of telling the truth, you choose to lie and killed someone else?

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ok now I have a ton of questions for someone who can only say two words.

Why are you waiting till this point to come out and say this? If you vigged Sarc and farside claimed to quacked Sarc, why havent you voted him yet?

Any post number in particular you felt that Sarc was scummy and deserving of your vig?

going back to reread you, will I find any posts of yours that indicate you felt sarc was scummy.


feel free to break up the questions.

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ok at this point, I dont like Farside or Has..

has, believed what?

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farside's believed.

ahh ok....misunderstood..

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I believed Farside's claim at first, because in a game this size I assume there is probably more than one doctor and of course the McCoy card that apparently everyone..but once she admitted to lying about her targets, it just seems to...convenient...like no one believed her doc claim, so maybe they would believe this one. I also find it hard to swallow that you thought you might be a Quack but targeted someone else the following day.

I didn’t like your claim either. Of course it is frustrating as hell with your apparent PR. I wondered why you didn’t tell us this as soon as Farside came out with her (re)claim. I do see however, that you voted her as soon as she claimed which leads me to believe you think she is lying. What I don’t like about your claim is that I can not find any link to you thinking Sarc was scum indicating you might vig him the following day. This claim seems convenient too. I was wrong before when I thought you didn’t vote Farside after he claimed, which was one of my big problems with your claim.

As it stands, I no longer believe farsides claim…with 3 people killed last night, I am doubting Sarc was a double kill.

Of course, and this pains me…but if Farside is turns out scum, I am doubting that Beep is scum too.

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CuriousKarmaDog

Analyze Iammars and Ameliaslay.

I can do this, but I dont think either are big posters...who will you be reviewing PJ?

Now that the jester is dead, I think Beep is scum and my vote will be going there...unless something unforseen happens.

Also, I disagree with you PJ, I think BM is town.

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happy bday BM

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probable scum

vote: CKD

where the shit did that come from? Any reason?

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tracked CKD

what exactly did you do, track pooky or track me?

all you have is two words and you can even get those straight...nice slip up fake claim

vote Has,

nice try, interesting how you claim when people want you to break your PR to get information, yet you stick to your two words when you want us to believe you have tracked or watched someone (still not sure which)...

We must be a lylo if you think anyone (besides beep is going to believe you)...anyone find it interesting that Has's claim lead to farside's lynch yesterday....Anyone else find it interesting that he claimed he vigged Sarc, then tried to fall back (yesterday) on a double kill to cover his scumminess today.....you broke your PR once before..I think it is time to break it again.

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tracked :arrow: Pooky

Tracked or watched?

tracked CKD

Also

FoS Beep

for coaching Has through his claim…

Break through indeed.

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Beep you want us to believe that you believe Has, even though he has done nothing pro-town all game, helped lynch farside (like you), and then screwed up his claim (which you had to help him through)?

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this is sad..I can not believe you people are following Has to blindly....I am at -2 right now, based on this? Lets see how fast scum jumps on this wagon to hammer...nice,

Well, you are about ready to lose a power role...so I suggest you calm down and remove some votes and actually have conversation today?

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I have bread crumbed my role kids...noting that no one seems to question Has's claim...like a good question might be..."Hey Has, what does your card look like?" I am sure a Jack of all Trades card must looking interesting.

I am (a)the role blocker...I targetted someone last night, but it wasnt Pooky.

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Show the breadcrumbs.

I don't believe has would pull this off. Because we'll hang him tomorrow if he's wrong, and he knows it. So I don't believe you, and I believe has.

you can say the same thing about me, but switch our names...

Bolding the crumb

R

W, I agree.

B

eep Beep, your theory is that because the mafia didnt kill farside this proves that he is scum?

R

eally?

B

ecause wouldnt it be a good idea for the mafia to target someone else and push to kill farside today?

R

ight, why are you dismissing that fact?

B

etter to wait a bit to see what information Pooky provides, for a have a feeling my vote is going to change.

unvote

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Hm, roleblocker. But not targeting Pooky, it didn't fits with the track result claim.

NB: CKD, your 'breadcrumb' sucks.

that is why I know that Has is lying..I did target someone last night, but it wasnt Pooky...Has claims he tracked me to pooky, but I didnt go there...if I was going to lie about my claim, wouldnt it have been easier for me to say yeah I am a roleblocker and yeah I targetted pooky? That would explain why I went there...and I didnt just make it up because I bread crumbed that a while ago...

Beep, read through my post....see if I have left any other crumbs...I tend to like to leave easy crumbs to find so that they can not be manipulated or confused..

I have to head out now...

Last night I targetted RW.
Night 2, Talitha
Night 1, Talitha

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also, if I should hang today, I think those who thought Has was scummy the days past because of his "PR" now automatically believe him should be put under the microscope...I agree with PJ, Has is hiding behind his PR..again, what does that card look like Has?

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will comment tomorrow, need sleep

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I actually hardly ever breadcrumb(because apparently I suck at it)...I dont have a game that I breadcrumbed as scum, check out my wiki site, I have all the games there that I have been scum check for yourself.

The only completed game I could find (but I think there is another). is mini 486.
viewtopic.php?t=5886&postdays=0&postord ... &start=901

in the post ABR(mod) makes fun of it (because is was so obvious) yet again, no one saw it.

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will answer all other question when I get time later

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jesus, have a week of being screwed by fakeclaims..ok, will focus on this game in the next 48 hours.

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having a week

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I havent posted in many of my games (getting prods)..I havent had a lot of time..Amelia, why should I have 4 results?..I will get to this...there are several things I want to address, but I also note you havent mentioned Has addressing my questions...seems to me you are a little one side....this hopefully will be noted.

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going to be gone this weekend, going to attempt to get caught up next week...

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OK I am back,

to answer questions, I breradcrumbed after Pooky's claim because I DID target Talitha, the night Pooky claimed to watch her. I didnt come out because I didnt know if Pooky was scum or not. I didnt breadcrumb before that because I didnt think I had to (if you meta, you will find plenty of games that I dont breadcrumb a power role because it wouldnt make a difference either way). I breadcrumbed, because after Pooky said that I was one of the people who targetted Tal, I wanted to claim..and to avoid people saying that I made up the claim on the spur of the moment, I wanted to have a trail...also, if you look back in the game, I suspected talitha of being lurking scum for quite awhile.

If you note, after Pooky claimed I was certian that he was indeed the watcher and I wanted to wait (before lynching farside) to hear his results. I found his claim odd though and felt it would be in the town's best interest to wait...and I am glad I did.

In reference to Has though, I find it interesting that one no (again) is really questioning Has's claim yesterday which combined with farside's lies lead to farside's mislynch. Now Has's claims another outlandish claim, and I am the one under the heat...why is that? The only person that seems to be actually thinking and not being lead around by mafia is PJ...

Has, please quit avoiding this question (think you have not answered it twice now)...what does your card look like? I have two pictures on mine, you get two words, surely you should be able to describe it in two words!

Also I dont think we have a SK, I think we have a Vig, to me it is pretty obvious who the vig is and has been for sometime.

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consensus :arrow: answer

why do you need a consensus to descibe your card?

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Jesus Christ...

FoS Iammars..

Why exactly do you feel that BM is a better vote than Has or myself? I think you know I am a townie, and you dont want to be on the lynch.

Has, quit stalling, what does your damn card look like?...why is no one else holding him to the fire about this? He is obviously refusing to answer the question, why does no one care? We have played like shit this game, letting the mafia pull us around by our noses...please think!

Which claim actaully makes sense? Has claimed to have vigged Sarc when he had no previous suspicion of him? Or me roleblocking Talitha, when I thought she was scum and actively attacked her? Seems like a convienent claim which ended up hanging farside. Again no one wonders why he tracked me last night out of everyone that was/is actually acting scummy (like RW, Beep, or Pooky?) I cant believe this town is actually following Beep around..

Actually think about this!

[curiouskarmadog]

green, handwritten

and why did you need a

consensus :arrow: answer

for that bullshit?

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oh please, someone call him on this crap...

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what crap?

your whole existence in this game. Your two word “PR”...your convenient fake claims, your stalling and complete avoidance to answer questions which you now try to back up with “twas joke”…why did I have to ask you that question 3 times before you answered? And what was funny about asking for a consensus? If we do not lynch Has today, we deserve to lose.

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outside reference

and who was this outside reference directed too? Meaning who would get it?

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I did deny I targetted pooky...thus the vote right after Has said I claimed him...what part of "he is lying" are you defending?

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there is no way we are going to win, we are too populated with fools. THINK ABOUT IT....I hope to God we are not at lylo....if you get another day after you idiots mislynch please, vig HAS, then lynch Beep..she is so obviously scum it hurts....Also Beep (dgb) I am not sure how you keep getting towns to mislynch me but you obviously are a better player...think maybe my next game I will push shitty cases with no logic, make up scoring systems from no where, and just be as anti-town as possible...seems to work for you...

yes people, SCUM CAN PLAY THIS BADLY!!!!! I have seen her do it once.

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if

mislynch

why is it "if" Has? I thought you want everyone to think you think i am scum?

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Here's what you said, ckd:

what exactly did you do, track pooky or track me?

all you have is two words and you can even get those straight...nice slip up fake claim

vote Has,

You did not deny having targeted Pooky. In fact, you seem to leave it deliberately vague as to whether or not it was possible that he did in fact track you before you committed to a claim one way or another. As I've mentioned before, I just don't see that first line being phrased like that coming from someone who had actually targeted someone else -- I can see it being a somewhat rhetorical question, but it just seems like the "track me" option wouldn't even be part of the equation from that point of view.

In fact, another thought just occurred to me -- if Has were a mafia tracker attempting to frame you, why wouldn't he have just revealed that you targeted RW last night, who also died? In fact, that seems pretty conclusive to me. If Has is trying to frame CKD, he's scum just making it up, as opposed to being a mafia tracker.

Cam

now you are really strectching...you KNOW EXACTLY what I was saying when I asked Has that...he claimed he tracked pooky, then Beep asked him what exactly he meant THEN he said he tracked me....I was calling him out on his fakeclaim..

BM, there is an alternative..lynch Has...I am telling you he is lying..if you lynch him and he turn out town, please by all means (vig) me.....

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ugh, I am tired of arguing with this town...you deserve to lose..

unvote Has, vote CKD

thats is negative one kids...lets see which scum jumps in and hammers me

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The number of posts in this game of the form "I cannot post now. I will post on day X" followed by a total lack of posts on day X from that person is simply astounding.

I still think ckd is scum, and I think his self-vote is just further confirmation.

Cam

then why the unvote?!....please sweet jesus hang/vig Has and mathcam after I go!

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Beep, Mathcam has unvoted me....I dont believe his reason, I think that he doesnt want to assocaited with my lynch..

unvote

, I think that scum most likely are already on my wagon..or was on my wagon...

Iammars, the lynch today is obviously Has or myself...why are you voting BM? This should be noted! IF/when I hang this should really be looked into.

PJ, my card has two pictures on the top of it (different than just the one picture, EX: just a picture of McCoy for the doctor). One picture is something that looks like a city with buildings, the building all have slanted roofs. I really don’t have a clue what the first picture is. The second picture is of children’s blocks (3 stacked on each other).

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well I need to reaplce my vote,

Vote Has.

Speaking of repeat performance, I will be amazed if Beep's vote stays on Has.

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I thought I posted my stance on ckd/has. I guess I didn't make it clear then. I believe that the two claims aren't contradictory, and don't see why we necessarily have to lynch one of them. I believe that Battle Mage is scummier than either player.

And @ BM: I'm not sure if I answered your question from earlier fully. Defensiveness isn't necessarily a bad thing, just as long as if the player is also attacking other players. Defensiveness is the default. You can't fault someone for being at the default.

this is a load of bullshit and I know exactly where my vote will go tomorrow if I dont hang today.

Has said I targetted pooky last night...I DID NOT in any manner...that is directly contradictory..please explain how it isnt.

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still here had 2 other games that I needed to update and we have played poorly this game is basically lost....will get to PJ's questions tomorrow..

I doubt that Has will break is restriction, no reason for him to while most of the town wants to mislynch me...

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CKD, a few questions for you.

1.)

Please explain why you role-blocked Talitha on Night One. Day One ended on January 23rd. You never mentioned Talitha in a single one of your posts until Feb 3. Point to specific posts; be as detailed as possible.

2.)

After having role-blocked Talitha on Night One, you must have noticed there were two kills. This should have indicated to you that you likely did not role-block a scum who had doing any killing. With such knowledge, why then would you have role-blocked Talitha a

second

time in a row?

In my experience, scum groups tend to have the same player do all the killing (unless they come under suspicion, or are killed) and I expect you have seen a similar trend, so you would have known that your action would likely have done nothing at all, and even the lack of a nightkill would not have given you any information whatsoever to work from. Hence, if your goal was to stop a nightkill, you clearly would have been better off role-blocking a separate player.

not sure why I replying to this...this late in the "day" and the way this town is playing, we are going to lose...I cant believe you guy's are actually believing Has...we must be on the verge of losing if scum is willing to pull this crap at this point. At least I know the vig (and I have been 99% sure I know who he is for days) will take out Has tonight...I just thought the experience that was included in this game, we would have done better..


1.) I had a feeling about Talitha's lurking from Day 1. Which is why I put on the pressure as soon as Day 2 started. I also noted there was only two kills, I figured in a game this size there would be 3...figured I had caught scum, which is why I RBed the second time (night 2)...however, when I saw that there was three kills after Night 2, I figured I didnt have scum afterall.

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actually you just hammered I believe..

of course, I knew I didnt have scum afterall (she was dead), I thought that was an obvious.

at any rate, that has to be the worst cross post ever.

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at any rate, bah, go town.....I hope we are not at lylo right now.

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that is not what I meant though, it was an obvious she was dead...anyway, I dont fault you PJ, I think you are town and I can see how you thought I meant that, I wish you luck.

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uh, I thought I was lynched (was wondering why it didnt say "night")...ok, will answer whatever questions tomorrow sometime, not that it will matter, the town is being lead by a two word faking scum.

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great job Math....I thought that the CKD/Has incident would seal us a win, but we didnt consider that a freaking SK was wondering around....that being said, Has, I was hoping that you would wait a little longer to pull my "I got a scum on CKD" gambit, but I guess with the pressure that PJ had put you under, you had to do something. I thought we were pretty much done after that, but Math pulled this thing out and has won much respect from me.

we also got lucky that there were a couple uninterested players...

like "mr. gnome-it-all"'s I dont really care about this game I only replaced to get someone to replace in my game. So a special thanks to you for not caring, that really helped us win.

MVP for mathcam!!!..you are the man.

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damn, you put mith in a game, he gets action N1

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cow, why did you decide to go after CKD when you did? I guess there was suspicion on you guys and you had the numbers to afford a bussing, but you were a mislynch away from a win. Claiming a cop result on pretty much any of the innocents would probably have won the game immediately - you only had to convince one innocent you were legit.

I came up with the idea the night before, but I only wanted him to use if he got into some sort of issue (PJ was riding him pretty hard), when he came out with it so early, part of me died. I agree with mith, at that point in the game, we could have probably had a flawless victory.

MoS gave us shit in the mafia thread for it, but he was pretty useless this game so he really doesnt have much room to talk.

After my obviously sad sad sad retort to Has (for a minute there I thought the tide was going to turn and the town would lynch Has, so I had to back off) and my death I still felt pretty good about our position, because the town bought it hook line and sinker...so much so that the SK killed the confirmed Hastown....bastard

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wish you would have done more, I have seen you play good games as town, was curious what your mafia game was like....and so you know, I wasnt throwing the plan out there for it to be executed the next day...I just wanted it to be a backup for Has, just in case PJ kept at him.

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Has, I dont know that I stated it was a back up plan..more along the lines of.."if you get in trouble, I am fine if you want to do this"..it worked out in the end.

Thesp, thanks for the game.

[curiouskarmadog]

I enjoyed reading them after I passed on.

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oh yeah, rereading the scum chat..Pooky, your little jester gambit, ALMOST made me fake claim..almost...I did drop a bread crumb then (be it a bad one) if I had too. Later I told the team to use the bad claim against me if Has began attacking me....

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we talked during the day?..I dont remember that.

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also, I think I will probably nominate mathcam for this win....scum win/town loss, really falls on his shoulders.