~laundry~ FIN

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Ok Zach might be maf lol

Stop being dumb

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Slys response to his wagon is disinterested at best and I don't believe his role

I don't even think he has said why I'm scum barring my push on him.

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As for Maria I can't say the whole acting innocent gimmick makes her townie at all

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Yes I'm 100% trying to get towncred off my acting innocent thing is it working

It's not the sort of thing you get towncred off of, it's something that sets the stage for how people read you.

As for Maria I can't say the whole acting innocent gimmick makes her townie at all

That's not why she's town.
Despite my scumread on Nacho, he was right, you're only really concerned about the game as it pertains to wagons you're attempting to derail (namely your own). Calling people on your wagon dumb is pointless.

Well that's not even what he said technically


And Gerry isn't on my wagon. He didn't give any indication on what changed his thought process from one page ago so I am inclined to think he suffered a lapse in judgement.



Not sure why you guys keep bringing this up as a talking point. Who gives two flying fucks and an ostrich dick how I post in relation to the game. You've been scum, Andrius, but you and everyone I categorize alongside you are going to have to put in a decent amount of work if you want to lynch me.

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Like, the volume of this game, the amount of stuff and the amount of players who are considered [good] or [more than good] means if you're looking for a lynch on me, you either


1) have no desire to solve

2) have no idea how to read between the lines

3) want to lynch me because you don't like the way I post

4) think the way I post or my lack of content aids scum and is reason enough for lynch, when in reality lynching me is more antitown so this point is voided

5) are scum

6) I only post when I'm being pushed? Were that true I should have like 4 posts Day 1.

This post is still true





Tell me what wagon I'm derailing wrt all of my interactions with Maria today? Or have you just ignored the fact that I've been probing for her thought processes and the responses she's given me haven't been satisfactory at all.
My actions are nowhere near as linear as you, Tammy, Sly, Nacho, or SAD have made them out to be, even stretching back to Day 1.. Believing as such just indicates you don't give a shit about context.

Yes I'm 100% trying to get towncred off my acting innocent thing is it working

It's not the sort of thing you get towncred off of, it's something that sets the stage for how people read you.

What do you mean? Also do you really think as scum I would be going like

giggle tr me for being like this~

When I did the SAME thing when you were my mafia partner

It's an undertone of your posting that if faked presents a fabricated understanding of the game state.


And yeah, I wouldn't consider it improbable.

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Top half of post is @Andrius

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You don't understand what I'm saying

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Go ahead and vote me for "shading" you Tho as opposed to Pine who is super scum!!!! to you

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I suppose you have me in a corner. I have no idea how to defend against arguments unsupported by intelligence or logic.

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Someone sensible please intervene I am not level headed enough to be responding right now

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That's not a TLDR of my ISO

That's you half assing a lynch

and it's probably going to work with this crowd

Zach please try and explain your lovely logic to me when you get back and maybe I'll change my mind.
Pedit: It's not.

So you didn't ask for an explanation before the vote at all.. which would have been the most appropriate time and now you want me to appease you. Yep. That's not scummy at all..




Nope, all of you fuck off you're not going to strong arm my lynch. If your position isn't based in emotion then it is in conf bias or simply you're just scum, which is what I'm leaning toward. The one thing I can't attribute to either alignment easily is the jumping off the hinges at everyone who scumreads you. I'd vote you here but no traction and I need traction to combat my own lynch.

Maria this is a town wagon do not let frustration equate to scumreading.

Someone sensible please intervene I am not level headed enough to be responding right now

This is a townpost too if he was scum he would love to 1v1 or 1v2 not ask for help because he's annoyed.

Are you sure this is your position? Your read on me changes on a dime with the flimsiest reasons. Pretty sure we're 1 Tammy post away from you voting me.

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I don't believe you're scum at all, SAD, just that your convictions on me are subject to change with more ease than most.

"I'm going to leave because you are clearly delusional you're full of it everything you say about me doesn't make any sense I'm gonna stay away from my keyboard because I can't with you I'm gonna come back later when someone with sense starts talking."
What is this? A post from a forum maf game that I played on my home site I backed off because of stuff like this but it kept getting worse so when I pushed it I got killed that night that guy was scum and won the game.
Posts like that don't effect me.

This has no relevance on the current situation. You've taken two things and placed them on the same level, completely oblivious to just about every other variable conceivable. That's not how you do investigative work. It's how you conf bias because you don't care to solve.

You don't understand what I'm saying

Then tell me what I'm not understanding

Pedit: Sadly Pine isn't happening today. You can though.

This came after the vote

I

said

it came after the vote when if you really cared you would have asked for the explanation first

You made up so much bs zach I an done with your ass and you're getting lycnhed
VOTE HIM YOU MORONS

No I'm not.

I don't know how far you expect to get acting like the world revolves around you.

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Go on explain your logic come on now.

You would first need to explain what you think I said for me to explain what I was saying.

VOTE: Zach you are posting bs IF I acted like that then you could post that but I haven't faked the game state what so ever so what need is there to post that? Just to shade me

This quote does nothing in the way of explanation. I have no idea what it means.

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You said I'm trying to fake innocence for town points or how I am faking a way like I won't know the game state where that is bs because I haven't done that aka you're S C U M

Let me preface this by saying the above does not make any fucking sense. Let me also preface it by saying this is not what I said.

Yes I'm 100% trying to get towncred off my acting innocent thing is it working

It's not the sort of thing you get towncred off of, it's something that sets the stage for how people read you.

So basically as scum you have to play like you have less understanding of the game than you do. People have to interact with this personality and you have to make it convincing. Which is relatively easy for you. You genuinely act like you don't know what you're doing and you need to be guided. Except for when someone scumreads you, then you know you have to lynch them. I also think you have provided nothing even resembling a case on your main Pine scumread. I posted a few quotes I could find when I skimmed your ISO. The rest of the "Pines" in your ISO are just mentions of his name. There's nothing really substantial, and when I asked for your reasons you just told me to read day 1. You said it yourself, you played like this when you were scum with me. I'm getting the same vibe here, with a few twists added. You said " I played like this when I was scum with you! Do you think I would do it again!" and I said yep. Then you voted me.

I mean my Sly case is weak but that's because I haven't bothered to make a case. It should be evident by how the dude responded to his wagon. I don't think he's interested in identifying the mistaken judgements and correcting them of any town that may be on his wagon. I think he's just settled on calling me scum and a few others. I don't think it's a town response at all. Can someone point me to town responses with his wagon?

I feel like there should be a better default response to people doubting your role than " well duhh the flavor doesnt work without MY ROLEEEEEEEEEE!"


also Sly: " LYNCH ZACH!(provides no real reasons, is allowed to because most others on my wagon don't have any either)"

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It should be evident by how the dude responded to his wagon. I don't think he's interested in identifying the mistaken judgements and correcting them of any town that may be on his wagon.

What's to respond to? I've already claimed. I've already explained the claim in detail. Feel free to go review my interaction with Deserado if you need a refresher.

I don't even think he has said why I'm scum barring my push on him.

I've pointed out some of your scumminess.
In my 5213-14

My original vote, was a combination of your tunneling of me, which I can see as the town being tunneled, and a call to arms by fellow Strahdians.
I've seen the same tunneling on me from SAD all day, too. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see you and SAD flip as scum buddies.

ok well your original reasoning is full of shit.

The post you linked happened toDay. You've held a very unsubstantiated scumread on me

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My original vote, was a combination of your tunneling of me, which I can see as the town being tunneled, and a call to arms by fellow Strahdians.
I've seen the same tunneling on me from SAD all day, too. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see you and SAD flip as scum buddies.

Someone read this LMFAO

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Maria, what was the point of that rxn test.

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Mistakes were made

You should put this at the bottom of every post you make

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can we lynch in the scum bloc of andrius, sly,

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you're probably scum

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the counterwagons to sly have been HERE put there is a lack of PUSH on them

does anyone agree with this statement (namely dreal)

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Actually I need most of you motherfuckers on this Sly wagon to rehash your reasons cause far as I recall that was the NO NO wagon day one when dreal and I were pushing it

like when I asked this

I'm pretty sure Firebringer was the only person who responded to it(?)

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Why only post now you could have been helping slywagon or helping US you've been posting sparsely



I don't support your wagon I really want to know.

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With all the shit that's been flying

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This wagon is disgusting

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Pine you KNOW drealmerz says that you were in Large Normal 200 Day 1


You know what he played like there too and you're acting blind to it now because he's not being scummy

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The way this wagon snapped into action seems like an obvious cw to scumSly it's too artificial


This is blatant.

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it's like people have no idea how to do associative detective work

slysly or andrius need to die today, it's fucking simple, anyone not making it that simple are slysly and andrius and whatever scum-buddies they might have and townies who are allowing their fear and doubt and the influence of scum to dictate their actions

BIG FACTS MY GUY DEADASS

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I'm faded af

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The way this wagon snapped into action seems like an obvious cw to scumSly it's too artificial


This is blatant.

LOL?

Are you people delusional?

I've been trying to get people on Sly for literally ages now but people continuously get distracted by Nacho or something.

If sly will happen sure. But the way dreamz is flailing is fantastic and I love it. You seem to be opposed to any type of pressure or literally anything. Seriously, if you're not scum after game we need to have a serious sit down because the way you play the game and derail wagons is extremely anti-town. Let people react without you interjecting and calling a wagon bad before someone even reacted.

Lol the fact that you think he was flailing

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VOTE: McMenno

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mcmenno is likely to be certainly scum more than him to me so thats where my vote is

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He does nothing except every now and run gone in to complain that someone has voted for him for acting like scum.

You're about the 4th person who's said this shit and all it's indicative of is you don't actually read my posting

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My fault

yea that lines up with how she thought

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Lmao im about to get flamed for not being able to read

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what am I strongly town for

and dont you think mcmenoo is scum

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Zach you are either scum trying to detract or misguided town.

Way to pick the only two alignments I could be, nice detective work


do you really have a guilty

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what type of guilty is it

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why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

I tracked you to Tammy last night.

And why no comment on this..

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Here it comes.

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drealmerz has been calling me scum all game, for example.
He's made zero effort to push a wagon on me. Instead he pushed Sly, who flipped town, and doesn't re-evaluate his reads.

I doubt that there is correlation though seems like you would just rather use Sly's flip as leverage to discredit him.

I doubt this would be the same situation if he townread you.

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Pine you KNOW drealmerz says that you were in Large Normal 200 Day 1


You know what he played like there too and you're acting blind to it now because he's not being scummy

Why did I forget about this shit

Pines rxn to dreal yesterday was scummy as fuck .

Pine has enough games with dreal to where he knows exactly how dreal acts when dreal is voted pressured or pushed with a case he views as unreasonable.

Yet he acts blind to it here.

he went to really scummy to me I'm inclined to agree with Maria for once

Need to ISO Zach. My TR of him is stale, and I'm concerned he's coasting. Noticed that early vote on Creature and moving off of it. Need to see if that was just an RVS vote or whether it looks like distancing.

Okay well, you're full of shit. Click on my ISO and the first post is "n0 guilty peek Creature" with a vote. A vote which I change one post later. Yeah, you really need to find out if it's distancing, don't you?

Your posting is fake.


VOTE: Pine

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Why is he not being lynched today?

There's enough time in the day certainly to put the lynch through, I'm not going to let majority bias dictate the course of action.

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This is different from my Sly read which I was dead wrong on. Note I townread Pine a lot of yesterday before the drealmerz thing happened. Now I am re evaluating my thought processes.

I've played 4 games with Pine. This would be the 5th.

Of those 4 , 3 have been scum games.

I've called him as scum in 2/3 of those games.

My intent is not at all to imply that I am good at reading Pine, but it's a track record that shows I can actually back my feelings up.

He's taking a head on approach because Pine scum plays like that, he likes being in the crowd and letting people know about it. He's good at manipulating people.


I'm not good at articulating stuff but heed my point about him WRT drealmerz. It reads so fake given the context. He can't ACTUALLY believe that.

I'm pretty sure I have a post somewhere that conveys scum pine. I will elaborate more on this read later.

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I've witnessed him do that in games he will say stuff like "yes that is a very good lynch" but his vote will just be somewhere else but he doesn't act like it fazes him

He did it last game and he was town ... I think when he says he doesn't care about the game he really means it

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Seriously gerry + dreamz's attitude of "I don't give a fuck about the game lololol" "Oh holy you're gonna lynch me you're all fucking stupid how can people be this bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah okay.

He doesn't give a fuck about [expending effort] when it's not toward something he's lynched, which is bad if he's wrong on a read

I haven't seen scum drealmerz.. if I'm not mistaken he's been town in all the games I've completed with him and he's acted exactly like the reasons he is being lynched for

It's not scum behavior imo

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He doesn't give a fuck about [expending effort] when it's not toward something he's lynched, which is bad if he's wrong on a read

I haven't seen scum drealmerz.. if I'm not mistaken he's been town in all the games I've completed with him and he's acted exactly like the reasons he is being lynched for

It's not scum behavior imo

I can't take your posts seriously anymore. You just derail every wagon and the one wagon where you pushed (slysly) was town.

"Trust me dreamz is 100% town" "I haven't ever seen him as scum but trust me!".

What wagons have I derailed besides gerry

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Hell, we wouldn't have gotten that horribad reaction out of Zach if I hadn't gone hunting.

Not a bad reaction at all. No one's addressed anything I've said because "all I've done is derail wagons"... I asked SAD to tell me which wagons I derailed besides gerry.

This is fake as shit LMAO

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Pine took like random votes I did day one and said I "pushed" those wagons

Besides fro9 for a little which of those votes did I actually push?

He's completely manufactured a scumread on me. He just took what SAD said and put that on the side too..

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Noticed that early vote on Creature and moving off of it. Need to see if that was just an RVS vote or whether it looks like distancing.

Let's take a look at this compelling incriminating evidence: The first 4 posts in my ISO

Spoiler:

n0 guilty peek Creature


VOTE: Creature

Also Hinamizawa is town from Higurashi (When they cry) anime where the people in it alternate between sane and crazy

The only thing that must be noted here is to play the VN. The anime is remarkably shit compared to it and does it no justice at all.

I havent seen the Umineko anime, but the VN is probably way better.

Also, why's no one sheeping my guilty? Dicks. You deserve a sock win

Creature is head sock

Head sock is taken to mean leader of the sock coalition, not a godfather-esque sock.

VOTE: drealmerz7


rule 3: anyone who asks the mod if scum has daychat is scum

and they have daychat

Wow Yeah Pine... definitely something you need to investigate isnt it.... you're very deductiv.e....



Gee Pine... that totally wasn't fake as shit.. just like your portrayal of my reaction is and your progression on me

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when dreal is outside of his home site it is like a parallel universe.. he has to adjust to the laws of this world

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HEY COME ON MARIA YOU WERE THE #1 PINE PUSHER

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Does 2 shot rolecop sound reasonable with gunsmith weak cop and masons...

Not that those are particularly powerful roles..

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Well GS is but yea I don't feel good about that claim

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Also with gerry's mystery role

Well GS is but yea I don't feel good about that claim

right I was gonna ask

fire why did you fake that guilty on nacho

??????

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partner is still zach tbh

You're gonna be disappointed


Also what the hell, Nos.

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happy birthday desp and mcmemo


the latter is scum btw

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Don't worry if everything goes according to keikaku then game over at Zach lynch.

Lmfao

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it's disconcerting that you're so entertained by such an obvious possibility, SAD

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So I went to the OP to look to see if people can BAH post or not.
(Answer is NO.)

When I found this:

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

May become relevant.
Also somewhat confirms the existence of a Non-Encyptor Scum PR.

^Townposting

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you can't be serious?

*how to get townread by pine: say obvious shit*

Nbs this game is like a parallel universe that Pine controls

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You think is joke

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Welp, my overnight epiphany is that Zach has to go.

Will hold off on a vote until everyone checks in, I'm not so certain of this that I won't wait for possible investigators.

Of course.

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That's something I'd advise against



VOTE: Pine

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Not happening fellas

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inside McMenno/Pine is my guess

not sure why Maria actually credits this scum read on me

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like I know I was bad this game but scum is a reach desperate men make

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like I know I was bad this game but scum is a reach desperate men make

there is literally no reaching required to think you're scum

You just don't think it's a reach because you don't see your arm

zach, you did silly to not be suspecting me because I'd be where you'd want to push today
you allied the wrong guy, I have no traction / no one listens to me :þ

even if I was hard TRing you right now and came out guns blazing 'OMG YOU'RE NOT TAKING ZACH DOWN' it wouldn't mean anything and it probably wouldn't even get the lynch turned on me at this point

I'm not scum otherwise I might care.

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Welp, my overnight epiphany is that Zach has to go.

Will hold off on a vote until everyone checks in, I'm not so certain of this that I won't wait for possible investigators.

This implies something more Pine, don't be shy

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zach is giving up

cant really blame him

You still don't think you're reaching

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You just don't think it's a reach because you don't see your arm

awkward as shit

the town thing to do would be to like, engage any of the reasons people thinks he's scum

Did you miss the part where I tried to do that the last two days

In part by attempting to find out all of the wagons I derailed " since all I do is derail wagons" and got nothing substantive

and the reason you cant say anything is because you have no defense

all you've done all game is poopoo wagons and counter every scum wagon with one on town

I'd have bussed at least one of the 3 scum wagons come on now

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Is that your final answer

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i don't know if you would be after today

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You have to present scum motivations for my actions that actually seem plausible in the interest of self-preservation where I'm concerned

Otherwise you're giving yourselves too much credit -- you really think this entire game is my scum play here? And I expected to win?

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Okay I'm Jailkeeper

N1 McMenno (Wasn't here up to lynch - either way I missed Fro99er's claim and didn't go back to see anything)

N2 Maria

N3 Firebringer

N4 Pine

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my flavor is THE DRYER SHEET

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Why the F would you not protect a mason?

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I thought he was a GS , this was before I knew that he was a vest-giver

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Damn.. haha I should have tried more guys nice one GG

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yea I only WK'd you because I was scum

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Do you guys have any tips for me to improve my scum game because you saw through it so easily