~laundry~ FIN

[drealmerz7]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

pine would be an excellent lynch today

[Zachstralkita]

This is different from my Sly read which I was dead wrong on. Note I townread Pine a lot of yesterday before the drealmerz thing happened. Now I am re evaluating my thought processes.

I've played 4 games with Pine. This would be the 5th.

Of those 4 , 3 have been scum games.

I've called him as scum in 2/3 of those games.

My intent is not at all to imply that I am good at reading Pine, but it's a track record that shows I can actually back my feelings up.

He's taking a head on approach because Pine scum plays like that, he likes being in the crowd and letting people know about it. He's good at manipulating people.


I'm not good at articulating stuff but heed my point about him WRT drealmerz. It reads so fake given the context. He can't ACTUALLY believe that.

I'm pretty sure I have a post somewhere that conveys scum pine. I will elaborate more on this read later.

[Desperado]

But really tho if we just lynch the sly wagon one by one the game will end I'm pretty sure

Or y'know you could just join the drealmerz wagon where we already have people.

I'm good where I'm at right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Nos

I'm cool with this.

I hate Pine's posts today (the "oh you're changing your reads so quickly SAD!!!" even though all I did was hash out my null reads and moved him down a peg because I could see the nacho/pine thing as crossbuss") BUT I kinda hate the weird push on Pine even more.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

I mean, what do you want?

For us to all be playing like you?

You'd realize nothing would ever get done then right?

[Andrius]

1. Desperado
2. drealmerz7
3. Zachstralkita
4. Pine
5. Ser Arthur Dayne
6. MariaR
7. Firebringer
10. Nosferatu
11. McMenno
13. gerryoat
17. Andrius
Maria
Desp

Pine
SAD
FB

Menno

Gerry
Nos
Zach
drealmerz

[Andrius]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

I mean, what do you want?

For us to all be playing like you?

You'd realize nothing would ever get done then right?

Agree with this.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I want SAD dead because despite EVERYTHING I still think he could be scum with Creature and Nacho and it concerns me.

Maria
Desp

Pine
SAD
FB

Menno

Gerry
Nos
Zach
drealmerz

What happened?

[Andrius]

I want SAD dead because despite EVERYTHING I still think he could be scum with Creature and Nacho and it concerns me.

Maria
Desp

Pine
SAD
FB

Menno

Gerry
Nos
Zach
drealmerz

What happened?

Well, I still think you're town.
You've been a townread since D1.
Doesn't mean I don't want you dead for my own sanity - I agreed with Desperado's goal posting thing from earlier - you seem to take a lot of stances on things.

I can't be mafia, apparently, but you're sitting on a SK platform for me when there's zero evidence of a SK. Let alone I've been joking about being a SK from D1 (and thus claimed my role D1).

Maybe you're just trying to be flexible and pull the TRAP CARD stunt or something. Maybe you're playing this close to your chest. But I don't appreciate the flexibility/leniency/more appropriate word here.

[Andrius]

I do not have the words to describe my apprehension with you this game.

[Nosferatu]

nos never mentioned

well this seems familiar

[Nosferatu]

I can't make my alignment apparent to you if you all just collectively want me dead fnr lol

[drealmerz7]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

I mean, what do you want?

For us to all be playing like you?

You'd realize nothing would ever get done then right?

you to actually play the game instead of "omg dreamz is scum" like 50000 times without actually making a case

for pine to respond to my points that clearly refuted his shit-case

for people to stop being so blatantly fallable like this post is from you (I feel like everyone needs to take a course on how to make a valid argument with sound foundation)

now you're criticizing my D1 and D2 play, that I explicitly talked about on D1 and D2, and treating me like I'm playing that way now, and I'm not, except for that people aren't engaging me/my thoughts and so there's nothing much for me to do, but I am and when I do it just seems like you all don't know how to play mafia on the same level I do - I'm not trying to be arrogant, it's just that this shit is patheticly stupid and I don't know how to sink to such a level to engage it

[drealmerz7]

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

[drealmerz7]

I do not have the words to describe my apprehension with you this game so I'll simply use empty rhetoric like this and hope it gets the point across

[Andrius]

drealm is resorting to being snarky, I see.

5884 was in response to 5883 after 5883 did not suffice to explain my heart.

[gerryoat]

1. Desperado
2. drealmerz7
3. Zachstralkita
4. Pine
5. Ser Arthur Dayne
6. MariaR
7. Firebringer
10. Nosferatu
11. McMenno
13. gerryoat
17. Andrius
Maria
Desp

Pine
SAD
FB

Menno

Gerry
Nos
Zach
drealmerz

how is the person who tr both mafia your top tr?

[Andrius]

how is the person who tr both mafia your top tr?

Must I explain this again?

[Desperado]

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

I've seen you say this more than once and I think you need to check that shit at the door man. We aren't at your homesite any more. The meta here is different. Push your case by all means but routinely referencing how some other group of people would all agree with you that something is obviously scummy gets you nowhere and alienates the people you are actually playing this game with.

[gerryoat]

how is the person who tr both mafia your top tr?

Must I explain this again?

just quote it or tell me where you said it

[Andrius]

D1/early D2 I had Maria, but she's looking more confused and gamesolve-y lately

Like, this works.
But I prefer my heart-based read.
Because that woman wants to crush my heart into a million pieces and this isn't that game.

Close. I find Nacho/Drealmerz/{Maria or Nos} more likely.

Nos.

Maria as scum would be ELATED this game because she's scum and I'm town.
This is ULTIMATE REVENGE BREAK ANDY'S HEART game.

But its not.

I mean, I'm not about to go back and read major portions of this game but FROM WHAT I REMEMBER of the game, Maria wasn't scumreading Creature significantly, and wasn't scumreading Nacho significantly. Scumread Sly. She did little to stop either the Creature/Nacho wagons (we're ignoring the D3 Nacho wagon because it was largely Gunsmith-driven.)

drealmerz, meanwhile, almost certainly scumread Nacho D2 but didn't push him. Walked into D3 (again this is IIRC) wanting me dead after a Sly flip but didn't join the Nacho wagon. Heck, he's voting GERRY today. I think drealmerz said enough about Nacho to look like he suspected Nacho without actually being part of the wagon while he sat on Sly HOPING for either a deadline lynch of Sly or a whimsical lynch anywhere else. I think that makes sense with what happened.

Nos was largely missing D2 from what I remember. Or at least, largely uninfluencial.

Gerry just screams against anyone calling him scum because he thinks he had a major hand in Creature/Nacho deaths.
I can see him as either alignment, and at this point nothing would surprise me coming from that slot.

[drealmerz7]

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

I've seen you say this more than once and I think you need to check that shit at the door man. We aren't at your homesite any more. The meta here is different. Push your case by all means but routinely referencing how some other group of people would all agree with you that something is obviously scummy gets you nowhere and alienates the people you are actually playing this game with.

it's more about trying to help you all understand where I'm at / why my frustration is what it is - I get tired of saying it, believe me, but it's the best way I know how to express what my issues are

I'm trying

[gerryoat]

Gerry just screams against anyone calling him scum because he thinks he had a major hand in Creature/Nacho deaths.

it has nothing to do with their deaths, its the scumreadingand pushing. when people kept telling me they were town (mostly in nacho's case)

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz, meanwhile, almost certainly scumread Nacho D2 but didn't push him. Walked into D3 (again this is IIRC) wanting me dead after a Sly flip but didn't join the Nacho wagon. Heck, he's voting GERRY today. I think drealmerz said enough about Nacho to look like he suspected Nacho without actually being part of the wagon while he sat on Sly HOPING for either a deadline lynch of Sly or a whimsical lynch anywhere else. I think that makes sense with what happened.

please actually quote the posts that make you come to these thoughts, otherwise it just looks to me like you're pulling it out of your ass

and no, I wasn't SRing nacho on D2 (again, quote where you got this from so I know wtf you're talking about and we can communicate and reach clarity)

[Andrius]

I buy the giving-a-bulletproof-vest claim.
3/4 of the Moderation Team (including Reviewers) were in THE THING MAFIA so having a passable bulletproof vest makes sense because even I was like THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

I can see it being scum, however, more in a CREATE YOUR OWN GODFATHER sort of way but apparently there aren't any killing roles besides the mafia so whatever.

We KNOW that there's only one mafia faction and there's likely not a SK judging by the lack of kills.
So I'm guessing town killing power at this juncture.
I'm going to further conclude that a 2-shot Bulletproof (WHY TWO) makes more sense coming from town as there's little indication of any other killing role present besides the claimed failed shot on SAD the other night, so a 2-shot makes little sense as a scum power since 2-shot vest to counter a limited-shot vig is ridiculous.

FB could probably move up a slot in Ye Olde Reads List.