Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

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Checking in. Only had time to read the first page

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Jfc

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So I'm up to page 6 and my first thought was that at least three people proceeded to post with out voting and for some strange reason I don't really blame them

I don't have a firm grasp on what gin and the two hydras are talking about

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I see Ana yelling I HAVE USEFUL REACTIONS I HAVE USEFUL REACTIONS but this is 7 pages in and there's no way they're on more than two people which in a game of 13ish isn't really that useful

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I really like 179

At first I thought scum wouldn't backtrack on their being wrong like that but now I'm feeling that it's reasonable do dismiss it as a cya

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

For someone that invests so heavily in meta this is a questionable vote

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And ending RVS too early is bad and an excellent way to stall a game as scum

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is bad theory posting why is it scummy

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We like using skype

Stop right there.
Skype is a terrible program for a few reasons:
A. Uses up a lot of memory
B. Very poor security. A lot of people get hacked via skype because it's very easy to get someone's IP and other things when you're just in a call with someone.

A) As long as you don't thrash your hard drive you're good
B) I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to live chat with someone online if you didn't have their IP. If this is a genuine concern you should probably look into using a VPN

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Can we not soft claim this whole game

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Something somewhere needs to know the name of your router otherwise you wouldn't be able to receive any network communication

Agreed though that Microsoft has a nasty habit of intertwining their software with their OS which makes it less secure

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VOTE: Elsa and ana

I site 254-257

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Policy lynch all reaction testers

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VOTE: Elsa and ana

I site 254-257

I can't see your citations.

254 : i saying you don't have a good read on us
255 : Not sure what is your point. Are you questioning RC town abilities?
256 : is not related to us
257 : where did he use meta exactly?

#Elsa

Agreed that I cited 254 errantly but your contributions to the beginning of the game weren't impressive at best

255 is me saying you're trying too hard to look town. btw, did you ever post conclusions from the reactions you got? I probably missed it

256 is me saying I think what lane has noticed about you makes you scummy

257 is me saying you use enough meta to be able to explain why this isn't typical town play from not mafia

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^^scumclaim

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You just scum claimed too!

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I had to put up with 6 pages of it you can handle 3 posts

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Vote the frozen hydra with me

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Your loss

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Flubber if you keep this up we are just gonna lynch you.

I actually just saw this

Why is my gripe worth a threat?

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Prodge. I'm making no promises on any catch up rate

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Why is ea pushing something as petty as notes and why is eagersnake saying anything other than "I've made plenty of posts in thread go away"

E/A completely dodged me asking what reactions they got from their reactions(tm) and proceded to insult me and not care that nobody agrees with said insult

"I just play like shit as town" isn't an excuse for this

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256, where you say you like my 179, and agree what I noticed about Elsa makes them scummy. My 179 was all about raging specifically alisae...

Still applies

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Sircakez could be scum

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Read up to page 17

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I have zero clue when I'm going to catch up

If massive is just faffing around that's sadly not an absolute scum read

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Oh I like that term. Yeah I'm a D1-2 fapper.

Gross dude

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Have 20 mins to catch up some more

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Call it confirmation bias at this point but the EA appeal to authority is terrible at this point.

I might be interested in the voting patterns between the two L1 claims but I'll probably never get around to actually investigating it.

Read up to p23

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Pg 25

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Generally you interact with what's going on. Ya know, real time interactions.

I want this booked in my ISO to see if Gin makes a similar push on me down the line

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There was a several page 3-way between gin rs and es that I just skipped so og 32

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What if I flavour claim first?

This discredits the reason you made the flavor claim push. Big red flag

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Yes. I have to see it. And I'm sure there's other lurkers I don't remember too

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*have yet

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So you think TTH would Mod a game that made it trivially easy to catch a member of the scum team through not making sure they could match flavor in a Neighborhood logically?

If it weren't for his awful fall back on gin claiming I would say yes. It's only slightly weaker than the meta always having scum in a neighborhood

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I've never enjoyed watching someone get ripped a new asshole over a forum game as much as I am right now

This is glorious

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On to page 43 so just before there

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Catching up is boring. Someone talk to me about something

{spammers, gin}
{leon, flubber}
{aella, massive, cakez}
---------null line-------
{lane, MoI, n_m}
{E&A now RC}

I skipped over your spoiled posts but I'm assuming there's explanations for this in there?

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I didn't like that infinity didn't have a lot of reads after all their posts, but between the parts I skipped and the fact that today has been a long day I'm starting to think that read is factually incorrect.

That reads list is the last post I'm reading for today.

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Catching up a little more

^^With the EA friendly neighbor claim is that a cc?

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I will say that I am more confident in my scumread on RC than when I started this discussion. Him accusing me of being unwilling to consider the fact that he's town is nonsense given what he's doing with gin, and the fact that he's using

every single manipulative tactic you can think of

including being a terrible person which I don't believe he is, are just very difficult for me to imagine from town.

This isn't out of character for RC, not saying he's town but none of this makes him scum

Have you committed a read to the slot yet?

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I mean I hate when people self vote as town

That's like taking your ball and going home because things didn't go your way

Good for you. I tried to get Gin lynched but people wouldn't go for it. Gin will make it to endgame if you don't hardclaim that you are vigging him. do it.

I mean it's only been the course of a day

Why does the day have to end right now

What about Flubbernugget who I can't even tell is in this game

For the record I have no shame in my low activity coupled with my vote park

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The aws hydra could also be scum

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There is literally no reason to be arguing with RC in the pg 50 range

Read up to page 53

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My opinion is that the best votes right now would be on

{Flubbernugget, massive, not_mafia}

Because I don't even feel their presence in this Game

One of them is probably scum, so I wonder which one it is

Have you thought at all why this is probably the case

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I have no clue what MoI means when he says LAMIST. it feels like he calls things that for the sake of calling them that

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63

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How about no mass claim thank you goodbye

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Generally you interact with what's going on. Ya know, real time interactions.

I want this booked in my ISO to see if Gin makes a similar push on me down the line

Following up to this

As town i would have at least expected you to push all lurkers on this equally and not just prohawk

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Ok

You guys may be right that my reasons for townreading RC are bad. I just expected him to say the things we wanted to hear and...just actually do something to defuse the pressure instead of the AtE which didn't seem to be working. It's possible my expectations of his play are off though.

I don't like that he stopped commenting on people's reads on him, but maybe that's cause he just wants to focus on gin...

Boooooooooooooo

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Infinity I want your fucking readlist. All you do is ask people for reads and then ask questions about it. What are YOU thinking for once?

Weak shade and not really true

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If we mass claim, both N_M and I can check players out for validity. I can see the plan having merit, do I think it's a good idea, don't know yet.

I'd rather compromise by only getting one person you really want to check to claim

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I think not wanting to mass claim and the openly opposing it is blatantly anti-town in this situation

VOTE: MoI

Hahahahahahahahahaha no

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If we mass claim, both N_M and I can check players out for validity. I can see the plan having merit, do I think it's a good idea, don't know yet.

I'd rather compromise by only getting one person you really want to check to claim

For some reason I thought you guys had an investigative shot at some point which is wrong so pretend this post never happened

Pedit: I've handled this whole shitshow on a phone so you can handle the way I catch up. stop shitting up the thread and I won't have to catch up so much

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Gin and n_m have 1-shot rolecops

Okay I rescind my rescind I thought they were strictly going off neighbor flavor cracking

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Scum don't usually have certain townreads on their scumbuddies

I think it's possible we should massclaim today given that lane is still alive and the n_m presumably has a result, what do you guys think

I am against this I will explain why later

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Anyone who townreads aella should explain why they think MoI died

I'm tempted to trust RC's read on n_m. I guess n_m doesn't have to out anyone's role if he doesn't want to but I want to hear from lane about his massive vote. Also because massive would be my strongest suspect for the last scum.

I also want to hear from flubber about whether we should still wait to massclaim from his perspective. If so we should do that.

I recieved a doc last night. I tried to protect es last night but with the abundance of strongmen in the game I'm not surprised the kill didn't go through. I suspect an inventor in the game and do not want that revealed to scum

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Actually with the vig being strongman scum might have the inventor

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As in that there's a scum inventor? If so, why give you a doc?

Good point. I was thinking out loud

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Massive, you're not a 1 shot are you?

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@Mod: If someone had rolecopped SirCakez, what is the result they would have received?

The rolecop could find us another strongman.

P-edit:

VOTE: Infinity

Sircakez was n3 strongman. This is a stupid question

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Considering vig is dead, rolecop finding a strong man is pretty much a scum guilty. Particularly if it's x-night

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For some reason I read that as role blocked instead of role copped

Now just a meh question

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I don't remember lane claiming jk. I thought he was a delayed ic

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I was going to say, if it's just me and Flubber left, it should be obvious I'm the doc-giver. I gave Flubber a doc shot N1 but the role PM says they get it the next night, so Flubber's claim on THAT part lines up. No sense in me saying who's going to get one tonight but that choice has already been made.

Eager was definitely the right choice for a doc shot use last night. Unfortunately for Flubber, the scum strongman was Cakez so clearly he didn't use the doc shot last night.

VOTE: Flubber

Night 3 strongman

You say this like you think scum have more than one 1-night strongman shot?

Considering the town pr's are stacked ON TOP OF a multi shot doc inventor suspecting only one strong man is incredibly suspicious

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Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

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Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

Cakez could have tracked me.
Would that make me town?
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No, how would that make you town?

Exactly.
How does it make massive town?
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Scum inventors would make for an interesting theme

It gives them A LOT of room to gambit

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I guess my final conclusion is that massives role is nai

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Massive, I get that you like to lay low and be a little annoying when you have a pr

You claimed and this is role madness. Your following play as town should be absolutely exceptional.

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Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Lol flubber doc'd sircakez, but he's not claiming his second visit... Which he didn't use?

Ok

VOTE: flubber

Where did I say I didn't use the second visit?

Massive visited someone yesterday. I'm not telling scum who the doctor is

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Flubber could've docced and watched, have to wait for the mod answer.

In any case he should claim his second watch.

You're welcome for the mod to confirm, but I was explicitly told upon being granted the doc shot that I could use it with my watcher shot

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Depends on the reason for hiding the second watch.

You seemed to have reasonable suspicion that my lack of claim made sense. Yet you still voted for me.

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I docced es last night, hence my being adamant there is another strongman in the game

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You guys are really trying to say an x-day strongman is a counter to several roleblockers and an unlimited shot doc inventor?

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The doc should really be enough in this scenario

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Massive, are you arguing that a strongman vig is negative utility?

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If they're x-day it forces them to use suboptimal players to perform nk's. So as a "meta mechanic" it can still make sense

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How exactly is this much town power not currently broken for scum?

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I doubt TTH put in town protective roles just to force scum to play worse into the watcher. That assumes the stronger players have the strongman (or else the same players would make the kill) and thathe watcher actually catches scum.

The amount of power is fine imo if scum have 3 decent PRs and town doesn't have a watcher.

I dont understand how the setup implies the strength of the players in the slots. I think I am reading this wrong

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Massive, are you arguing that a strongman vig is negative utility?

I am not. I am arguing that if we have three strongman kills the doc gifts are useless. If scum could kill N2 AND N3 through doc shots (which, btw, don't start until N2) then what exactly is the point?

There's just no other explanation. There's no roleblocker -- Magna was the town even-night RB and even then, Leon said no blocking action last night.

Theres plenty of ways a non-strongman kill could happen for the docs to have been useful

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Eh, we know that Flubber used the doc since there's no other claimed protective. Being able to use two abilities in one night is unusual, but not impossible. At that point, the only reason to scumread Flubber is setup spec, which I despise.

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Depends on the reason for hiding the second watch.

You seemed to have reasonable suspicion that my lack of claim made sense. Yet you still voted for me.

I got excited that my ability might have caught scum. Hiding who massive targeted is a good idea.

You got excited despite despising setup spec?

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Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Cakez tracked massive... I just got the result... It's this what aella is taking about?

So I think this actually caught flubber in a lie?

So some people can do two visits in a night but some can't? What differentiates?

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VOTE: Leon

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Eh, we know that Flubber used the doc since there's no other claimed protective. Being able to use two abilities in one night is unusual, but not impossible. At that point, the only reason to scumread Flubber is setup spec, which I despise.

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Depends on the reason for hiding the second watch.

You seemed to have reasonable suspicion that my lack of claim made sense. Yet you still voted for me.

I got excited that my ability might have caught scum. Hiding who massive targeted is a good idea.

You got excited despite despising setup spec?

I don't see how those two are related? Setup spec is stuff like "there can't be two town neighbors one has to be scum" AKA trying to outguess the mod. Using PR mechanics to solve the game is completely different, and something I'm very much into.

VOTE: Leon

Do explain.

I've never seen the two differentiated that way but I guess it makes sense. There was another one of your posts I called out that I didn't like too. I don't remember off the top of my head so I might pull it up later

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We again see people thinking that making roles useless in a ROLE MADNESS game doesn't make sense

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I'm down for no lynch today and a nm lynch tomorrow. I think massive should tell us who has a doc

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I'm looking back. I kept up over the weekend and didn't see Flubber say who had the doc shot LAST night, but I was on my phone so I might have missed.

Last night being n3? I used my shots d1 d2

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Lane

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Forgot about the delay thing my bad

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I'm down for no lynch today and a nm lynch tomorrow. I think massive should tell us who has a doc

Wynaut just lynch NM today if you think he's scum? If anything scum will just kill Massive.

I rolecopped Leon, he's the role he said.

VOTE: RS

Why Leon and why not me?
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Mostly because I don't feel like arguing about it

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I have a theory about NM and Leon being the scumteam, and I feel really good about it.
Anyone wanna hear it out?
-Ali

Ok...

@massive Just because flubber' sorry makes sense doesn't mean he's town...his play makes just as much sense as scum watcher.

Also, we're going to no lynch eventually so we might as well do it now...

I never apologized for my play? Where are people town reading me for apologizing?

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Flubber's story*

You were better off with the typo buddy

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VOTE: nm

Beginning to think the only way to get to no lynch is to stall which is bringing forth apathy and confirmation bias/scum straw grasps

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I've completely missed the scum case for rs

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Good game everyone

Thanks for hosting mod!