Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[eagerSnake]

I think not wanting to mass claim and the openly opposing it is blatantly anti-town in this situation.

And this is exactly why even if you are the Vig I'm never sheeping your judgement. If anything this reads as "How dare he hurt my feelings by questioning my wisdom and calling my reasoning on Negative Utility bad".

Magna it was just a trap (rxn test) don't worry

[eagerSnake]

So eager, what happens if there is a Mafia Doctor? What then?

I highly doubt that's something we should be worrying about and this question pings me pretty hard tbh

[eagerSnake]

We should really mass claim

[eagerSnake]

If I could guarantee catching a scum with a mass claim then what would you say

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake - Town Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter

MagnaofIllusion -
Flubbernugget -
SirCakez -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
lane0168 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

This is where we're at

My hypothetical claim order would be:

massive
SirCakez
Flubbernugget

Infinity 324
lane0168
MagnaofIllusion
Aella Was Spine

[eagerSnake]

Alisae has ~100 posts elsewhere since her last post here. Was pretty active here when being pushed. Absent since pressure relieved. Wonder where that slot is

I think they said something about letting CK take over for a minute

[eagerSnake]

That's OK I can just vig you for your claim

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: gin

[eagerSnake]

I think RC was right about this one

[eagerSnake]

You're not gonna be alive tomorrow

Not even your mafia doctor can save you from spyro!!!

[eagerSnake]

Leonshade would be upper tier my bad

[eagerSnake]

I'm actually a strongman vigilante so don't even think about role blocking me

[eagerSnake]

Yep that's why the mafia doctor comment pinged me and why I wanted a mass claim

[eagerSnake]

In normals

[eagerSnake]

When there is a Mafia doctor

[eagerSnake]

Sketchy af

My votes not moving today

[eagerSnake]

I'm taking strongman as a full on scum claim. There is no way I tell you why your theory is shit in a role madness and you use that as a reason to out that you're a strongman.

VOTE: eager

SCUM CLAIM

[eagerSnake]

Gins rxn is shit

[eagerSnake]

There is no sk massive

[eagerSnake]

He knows he ain't dumb

[eagerSnake]

Lynch it with fire

[eagerSnake]

My full role is Spyro, One-Shot Strongman Vigilante

[eagerSnake]

it says theres nothing that can effect my shot

[eagerSnake]

So eager, what happens if there is a Mafia Doctor? What then?

With that knowledge, doesn't this ping you?

Like what was the point of this question besides an attempt to discredit? If there is a mafia doctor, then they're going to claim doctor obvc. They're going to eventually claim that anyway, so them claiming it now rather than later makes what difference except they will be locked into that claim?

[eagerSnake]

I've been trying to figure out, "Why was I given the role "One-Shot Strongman Vigilante? That's a strange role for town. What is the purpose? What is that balanced around?" etc and when he said that it pinged me

[eagerSnake]

That's another thing I'm trying to figure out, Infinity. Maybe they have a bulletproof? Hmm IDK that's why I wanted a mass claim

[eagerSnake]

Lane being town makes RC more likely to be scum

What? On what logic?

[eagerSnake]

His history of correctly reading RC

I guess that makes sense

Yeah if he's an IC then he can take the lead on this game he's got more exp and is better at it than I am

[eagerSnake]

I do have personal reasons to believe in an RC town read

but i did have a shadow of a thought that RC was hard bussing earlier as an RC gambit

[eagerSnake]

I really think Gin's scum though

But there's a lot to consider

I don't like lynching claimed info roles day 1 - ever
but he's only 1-shot anyway
but i'd like to get the info from that shot
and he's in a 2p neighborhood with N_M who is arguably unreadable/unhelpful
lynching him could help remove a lot of the neighborhood WIFOM
if he flips town I could blast N_M tonight to completely remove the WIFOM
but then both the investigatives are dead before d2 which really sucks
if he flips scum then i could blast RC to remove that WIFOM of bussing or not
plus their anonymous message role is pretty much useless

theres really a lot to consider but i was pinged hard by the doctor comment and the reactions afterward... he knew that this is role madness and that roles != alignment but seemingly didn't really consider that at all. it looked very much "oh my god, you suck" and opportunist

speaking of opportunist look at massive's vote on me

[eagerSnake]

In fact all of massive's votes look opportunistic as hell

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: eagerSnake

This isn't vig behavior. This is SK behavior.

First, we have this vote, which is opportunistic and doesn't need to be explained.

I think I'm all for Leonshade too.

My current plan for figuring out the difference is being extra-critical and paranoid of him, to really test whether his reads are genuine.

Reading this and then reading his interaction with Magna does NOT feel like he is treating him with any sort of paranoia at all.

VOTE: Leonshade

Second, we have this vote on Leon right after Aella's 1658

I don't get my ten points, do I.

Nope sorry. Frozen already beat you to it. Better luck next time.

What do you think of Raging Spammers?

44 doesn't read like whiteknighting, it reads like THE FEAR. I don't know necessarily what Gin wanted from them in the back-and-forth but 110 feels like just a little bit of condescending Jedi hand-waving "you want to stop having this conversation" out-of-game reference to appeal to some shared experience in the hopes that Gin would ease up.

And right now I feel you're kinda towny so I could go along with this.

VOTE: Raging Spammers

Third, we have this vote on Spammer's which is because Magna is "towny" and he can "go along with" it.

[eagerSnake]

if he flips scum then i could blast RC to remove that WIFOM of bussing or not
plus their anonymous message role is pretty much useless

really dude?

Lol just making sure you're readig the thread

[eagerSnake]

For example I like massive's questioning of my n_m read

What exactly did you like about it because I've been questioning N_M reads all game

[eagerSnake]

I usually vig the people I find unhelpful

[eagerSnake]

The way he went about it was genuine and it was a good point if you hadn't read the spoilers in depth

yeah can you just quote his questioning and what you said about it that made it so towny, because I feel like scum would just question N_M reads because I've been questioning them so it's obviously the "towny" thing to do

[eagerSnake]

Eh.. I'm not swayed by that.. I believe he's capable of crafting that as scum.

[eagerSnake]

Yeah...I'm going to already take us out of RVS, I'm reading this is a cheeky page 1 scum claim but doing only so because it's "RVS"

VOTE: Elsa

Other head is scum please help me bus thanks.

~Anna

I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.

Theres way more info about elsa's alignement to be found by the content they produced than stupid rvs meta
-CK

Basically I caught a wiff of white knighting in this post where he says the reason I'm voting Elsa is "stupid rvs meta."

It's the fact that he used the word "stupid."

Using Ad hom to discredit my accusations on another player.

Hmm

Why does the vig soft completely fly over scum!gin's head

This was way before the vig soft, what are you trying to say?

[eagerSnake]

I don't see myself lynching RC today

[eagerSnake]

i only want to lynch in gin, massive, cakez, leon, flubber

[eagerSnake]

Is this what an RC relapse looks like?

I feel like you're in that special place again between not caring and wanting to die

[eagerSnake]

Well RC the thing is I can't put it past you as we all know you are a master of WIFOM. You can admit it lol.

I'd have to be a fool to put WIFOM beyond you.

But I'm not going to just kill you or lynch you out of fear.

[eagerSnake]

And I'm afraid that if Gin flips scum then everyone will want to consider you cleared so I wanted to note that shouldn't be the case as you are a master of WIFOM and it'd be foolish to put bussing your partner d1 beyond you. Although the way I noted it was in the most melodramatic way possible lol

[eagerSnake]

You never know.. some people it might not even cross their mind you could be scum after hard bussing your partner d1

[eagerSnake]

yeah which is why I'd just vig you to remove the WIFOM if there weren't better vig options (which there is)

[eagerSnake]

Like I said I'd only do it if there weren't better options... and if there are no better options then your town play must've not been too great that game amirite?

[eagerSnake]

But right now there are better options like massive, flubber, cakez, leon, gin, n_m

so like.. lol.. I'm not going to vig you just because you're you and you're in the game

only if you were a better option than all those players which would mean you're playing a shit game

[eagerSnake]

Let's lynch Gin

[eagerSnake]

Lol I had read some of that game and I thought it was funny that RC scumread MOI based on "A team of newbscum would've gotten scared and shot him. .. He needs to die."

But then they get mad when people say "Why isn't RC dead they must be scum"

Bit hypocritical but w/e they're still town here

[eagerSnake]

So the reason I town read the RC slot is everything from post 500 up to past 800+ from them was really undeniably townie to me

[eagerSnake]

Start 475

[eagerSnake]

Good ol' RC always fights the good fight

never gives up

[eagerSnake]

I mean I would just relish in the fact that the people making or believing those arguments are total shit if they're town and really believe that because you're alive you must be scum

that's like the worst argument ever

[eagerSnake]

This burden of proficiency argument is getting old quick mind you. It holds no water.

[eagerSnake]

Why is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming ICWhy is lane fakeclaiming IC

[eagerSnake]

Lane are you a jailkeeper or not

[eagerSnake]

My full role is innocent child jailkeeper. I'll target you and you'll still get a shot off. Right?

lol, the 9 day deadline is a countdown so it's still accurate. we got time

I'm not ic jk. I'm ic deadline controller...

And I'm trying not to have a 150 page day 1

lane0168 is loyal to Spyro.

[eagerSnake]

EA never claimed friendly neighbor actually

this has been discussed like 5 times

the next person I have to explain this to gets my vote

[eagerSnake]

I guess only gods like frozen angel mistake messenger for friendly neighbor

[eagerSnake]

the rest of role pm describes "frinedly neighbour" who can send an anonymous message to someone else over night.

Apparently it's in their role pm

[eagerSnake]

AWS = Aella Was Spine

[eagerSnake]

RC stop being mopey and help us run up Gin

Lol this reminded me of that "Wild Boy" song

[eagerSnake]

We mass claiming now?

lane0168 - Innocent Child
eagerSnake - Town One-Shot Strongman Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter

Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"

MagnaofIllusion -
Flubbernugget -
SirCakez -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

[eagerSnake]

Hahah I hate when people comment on every post they read rather than using notepad or similar to make one long post during a catchup

[eagerSnake]

You'll see in a second that was just a trap to see if any dumb scum wanted to hop on

[eagerSnake]

@flubber OK didn't realize you're 100% on phoneposting

[eagerSnake]

I just want to know who the mafia doctor is

[eagerSnake]

Hey doctor can you claim pls

[eagerSnake]

We should mass claim or lynch Gin and let me vig someone

[eagerSnake]

Vote gin

[eagerSnake]

RC quit trying to sui.and.vote.gin

[eagerSnake]

Because he slipped mafia doctor and tried to push me with shit voted me never unvoted and replaced out and his slot doesn't look like it's getting a replacement because nothing was posted in the replacement thread

[eagerSnake]

So do the mod a solid and vote

[eagerSnake]

Start on page 68

[eagerSnake]

10/10 maf doctor doesn't protect the IC

[eagerSnake]

You mean you get to flip scum

[eagerSnake]

In the event you are town where should I vig at

[eagerSnake]

I thought I was vigging RC if gin flipped town

[eagerSnake]

Lane who am I vigging if gins town/scum

[eagerSnake]

You let ur emotions get the best of you admit it

[eagerSnake]

It was not even an hour since I started suspecting you (I had hard tr on you the whole game) to when you replace out. You didn't even give me the chance to back up on my read

[eagerSnake]

Yeah that's why I'm shooting not mafia if you flip town to remove neighborhood wifom

[eagerSnake]

Like I want to vig N_M if gin flips town tho because neighborhood wifom

[eagerSnake]

What if I just forget to send in an action

[eagerSnake]

NICE SHOT GIN

[eagerSnake]

So who should I shoot tonight

[eagerSnake]

did cakez make any shitty pushes on anyone

[eagerSnake]

like did he ever act confident like "omg this is scum" and continue to shittily push that slot

[eagerSnake]

So if either of us could be lying knowing either of us could have fake claims ready, the point of asking is?

What if I flavour claim first?

Are you Greta or Handel?

TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Town 1-shot Rolecop Neighbor, has been lynched

Spoiler:

Hello,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

, and welcome to the Forgotten Realms!

Handel, 1-shot Rolecop Neighbor

Neighborhood PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=70318

Rolecop

Once during the game at night, you may target a player and you will see their role.

Win Condition

: You win when all players aligned with

The Forces of Evil

are banished and at least one player loyal to

Spyro

is left.

It is now Night 1, Day 2 will start in (expired on 2017-02-12 22:45:25).

I guess this means N_M is Greta

[eagerSnake]

Who received anonymous message

[eagerSnake]

Alive

lane0168 - Town Innocent Child
eagerSnake - Town One-Shot Strongman Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger (Zoe)
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop (Greta)
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter (Bentley)
Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"
Flubbernugget -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

Dead

TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Town Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop (Handel)
SirCakez - Evil Amnesiac Tracker and Night 3 Strongman (The Sorceress)
MagnaofIllusion - Town Even-Night Roleblocker (Agent 9)

[eagerSnake]

now for those reads
Town - RS,

eager

Nulltown - Leon, infinity,

lane

(I'm disregarding the IC claim for this read since it's unconfirmed and could be trolling, if it's legit then he's top town obv)
Null - Flubber, massive, NM

Nullscum - MoI

Scum - Aella,

Gin

Special category - RC

[eagerSnake]

wake up guys