Open 667: Day 3

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Hello its me

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whyd you guys lynch a townies thats not cool

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nvm i misread original post, i assumed no kill

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VILDJARA U ASSHOLE I TRED U WHY U HAFF TO BE MY SLOT

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no kill is legit impossible
I think
I'm not sure what would happen if the mafia fail to submit a kill

when i said that i didnt read the compulsive thingy, i just saw 1 dead i assumed 1 lynch 1 fail night kill

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Seeing four pages here already, I got my hopes up that there would be some proper discussion to pick apart and use to scumhunt. But alas, it's a whole lot of fluff and alt fishing.

VOTE: pepchoninga for contributing almost nothing useful despite having the highest postcount. Because that's not useful at all, and yet artificially inflating one's postcount can prove to be useful as a false argument against one's lynch at a later stage.

And FoS Keyen for basically the same reasons. And also starting the whole alt fishing thing.

@Bork, Can you quote things that looked 'useful' to you?

looks like mefia posts and townies posts to me

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Guesse who and u get a brownie point

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Up to page 5 i think that

irish is townie
math is townie
kanye is townie
crature is townie
im townie
swedish is mefia

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UNVOTE: forgot that

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@ end of page 6

i think bork outed correct content but i really really could see that kind of stuff coming from mefia
I think kanye west and bork are obviously not a team here, i also saw indigo team-telling with the swede

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You prepared to push my lynch? You really want to be associated with lynching me?

This kind of posts just looks extremely town to me, great line imho

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YOU KIDDING ME GUYS, YALL FUCKING MORONS NLED ?

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ALSO I JUST REALIZED INDIGO WAS THE DED

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Just going to put this here because it seems this conversation is going down this route, this is not saying i believe it's happening yet just a reminder.

Keep the Personal insults to a minimum

YOU KIDDING ME GUYS, YALL FUCKING MORONS NLED ?

oopsy

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If we mislynch today, next day we're at 4v2 and we lose if we lynch wrong.

If we nolynch today, next day we're at 5v2 and we can either win that day or get another chance next day.

Creature, no, you guys wasted a ml and its one of the most sinful thing you can do in this game

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Please lynch him. Even if he somehow turns out to be a bad town player instead, at least we'll have a significantly more enjoyable game.

This is a horrible reason to lynch someone. "I think Keyen might just be town but at least if he flips town when we lynch him we wont have to deal with him". This needs to die with fire, you dont lynch someone because you dont like their playstyle or because you rather not deal with them.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Bork

How about you get your head out of your ass and read my other posts where I'm scumreading him. Like seriously, are you stupid or something?

oh shit he did the international mefia symbol

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its literraly better to self as town than to waste a ml

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ftr, also i forgot to

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@ page 11 i think my serious townreads are crature and kanye west, i also did townread both indigo and vij rop the ez reads ;-;

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Vote Count 1.21 (END)

[4] Vijarada: Gamma Emerald, chilledtea, Creature, Pepchoninga,
[2] Tenshii: Celtic, Börk Börk,
[2] Pepchoninga: Tenshii, SnarkySnowman,
[1] chilledtea: Vijarada,

Not voting:

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline:(expired on 2017-01-20 16:41:09)

Looking For a replacement for Celtic

SEE?

LOL ON MY SLOT

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DONT SPOIL ME THE GAME IM CATCHIN UP

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I WOULD BET GAME CRATURE IS TOWN BTW :EEK:

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*

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Can we just stop and acknowledge that Snarky has seven posts, while most of us have over 20. And his posts aren't long content-heavy ones either. This isn't a scumread; just calling him out on it. Post more pls.

looks like a scumpost to me

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Crature ure the most obvious power role in the game i woulda rekt ur ass up n1

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Aslo inb4 all the yada yada talk about anti town stuff, maybe im wrong or maybe i sr crature and i want him to die

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Vote Count 1.21 (END)

[4] Vijarada: Gamma Emerald, chilledtea, Creature, Pepchoninga,
[2] Tenshii: Celtic, Börk Börk,
[2] Pepchoninga: Tenshii, SnarkySnowman,
[1] chilledtea: Vijarada,

Not voting:

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline:(expired on 2017-01-20 16:41:09)

Looking For a replacement for Celtic

SEE?

Dude how come you voted for vij, that guys was bleeding town since the start of the game

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Okay so I'm fine lynching Creature and Indigo. But Creature doesn't feel scummy enough.

stupid posts like theses makes me tr kanye

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VOTE: indigo

- second highest scumread
- we're literally getting nowhere with this day
- indigo is lurking and hence not even useful
- seems to be a relatively agreed-upon lynch which we can actually get a wagon on
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This is L-1, M'kay?

You are convinced about this lynch, bur not Creature? I call you bullshit.

Your push on Creature seems policy-based, and there's not much more to it. Why would I policy lynch when I have scumreads?

hm that was towny

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UNVOTE:

No lolhammers for me tyvm

probably town for that

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Theres no prs ?:eek: wut

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OMYGUD WE ARE 7 VTS WTF

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Holy crap i might have to reread everything, i have a bad habit to pr read scum all the time, now that hes conf not pr im doubting all my reads

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I cant believe you guys tanked a goddam ml, thats so bad

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Well, it happens more often than not

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Kinda funny how if we NL, the game will be in lylo for the rest of the game. Although D3 be lylo for mafia instead of town.

whut?

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no-lynching is for losers no offense

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VOTE: thesoldier

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UNVOTE: thesoldier i see ure celtic slot, no fun

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do you ?

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we can always nl tomorow

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@soldier how so ?

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D3 would be 7 way 2 mafia and a town ml, theres no a single way this game can get into anything close to an autowin situation since theres no roles that can confirms others, its a pure scumhunt.

Lynching today gives us worse odds than lynching tomorow for sure, but i also means that the most threatening/obvious town will be dead and wont help lynch mefia tomorow

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Its not even indicated in the mod's post, i wouldve totally overlooked it

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nvm its in the role pm, who even reads the wins condition duh

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Thats kinda broken honestly

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Normally, if you guys played optimally, d3 would happen to be on lylo 5 way 2 scum. By nling twice, we get ''scum lylo'' D3 and town lylo D4 and D5. Considering we would aim for a victory on D3 that would mean we want the best ''battlefield'' for town

-> Either we nl today, it goes 7 ways but the only 2 deaths are picked by mefia, we technically have 1/3 to win from anyones town pov, considering a few townies might never get lynched d3 it could go higher, 40%+

-> Either we pick a lynch target today that is chosen by town (which might be the D3 lynch anyway) and we got to 6 way D3 mylo or lynch for the victory of either side which could be cool, where we will lynch for possible autowin.
What that does is we uses our ml to makes for a better town for a better D3 try at ending gaming mefias.

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Personnaly i believe that USING our D3

-> on a town that has 6 players over 7
-> on a town where theres at least one death that was chosen by town
-> the possibility of having lynched 1 mefia already on d2, so possibly no stress to lynch correctly more than so than the others days

VS

-> on a town with 7 players
-> if we mislynch, we still have 5 way lylo, so we have 1 shot at win and then 1 shot at not losing
-> the only 2 deaths that happened ingame were chosen by scum which leads to
-> our lynch will probably be the scummiest/most fosed player

->Theres also the cool strat that, mefia literraly cannot bus in autoloss d3, meaning even if we might mislynch, we could get great reads via the night flip for the 5 way lylos


hard to pick

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Also i dont know if anyone noticed by, we could probably check who was online at the end of the day when the no-lynch was forced, anyone who couldve hammered and didnt was playing against town victory condition and thats coming from the guy who know the slot's alignement. As mefia i wouldve not hammered there because i would assume town would go back on the lynch and blame the lack of traction because it was on a red slot, it wasnt. The actual scum gain wasnt to get a mislynch, it was to get a no-lynch and to resume the very same mislynch on my slot the very next day, no-lynching is obviously optimal for mefias in this setup.

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nvm its in the role pm, who even reads the wins condition duh

Jesus Christ, if we were in a situation that merited lynching someone then I would policy lynch you asap.

tote a scum post ftr

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No Lynch Today > 2v5 Desperation Day

2/7 = 28% Mafia Lynch = 100% Town Win
5/7 = 72% Town Lynch = 13% Town Win (5p Lylo + 3p Lylo)

28% + (72% * 13%) =

37% Town Win

Lynch Today

2/8 = 25% Mafia Lynch = 48% Town Win (1v4 D3 + 1v2 D4 Lylo)
6/8 = 75% Town Lynch = 33% Town Win (2v4 Desperation Day)

(25% * 48%) + (75% * 33%) =
(12%) + (24%) =

36% Town Win

Lol so if I did the calculations correctly, it is optimal by 1% to No Lynch today.

no-lynching is obviously optimal for mefias in this setup.

Get bodied.

tenshi ure that kind of players arent you, i outed what really matters in the 2 scenarios, odd does not matter

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I should stop random replacing in table with this guy of roster

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kind of* anyway im going to vote mefia since no one else is going to

VOTE: bork

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FTR i am playing as if tenshi's slot is cleared, i will never consider this slot before lylo i suggest everyone do the same

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Zzzzzzzz

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Ty snowman

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borring game full of boring people

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VOTE: no lynch

kill me mafia or ill wreck you tomorow

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lets ask for a speed night please, theres only 1 kill to pick and no prs cmon

@mod : im voting for a speed night

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mfw i replace in a game and i have more post than everyone else but my pred-slot in 2 days when it started 20 days ago

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He was obvious town but okay

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Gamma he raplaced-in, youre very dumb

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if i think i had any scumgain in just stating the reason why i unvoted and so on, im not that sloppy as scum

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VOTE: bork still going there, gamma can throw shade at me all he wants but he will need more than 1 towny posts he cannot read to convince me to take his reads seriously

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He said hed post pm, its am

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UNVOTE: thesoldier i see ure celtic slot, no fun

This suggests a desire to vote off town, CK seems to be caught in a slip after voting a TR

Also this is the kind of scum mentality btw, town will never be caught in a slip for voting someone they previously tred, its not like i randomly voted there, i reconsidered because i had to remember who he raplaced-in and i wasnt ready to revisit my reads on his slot from his pred's play, theres really not so much as anything scummy in that but ''slipping'' that i didnt remember he was celtic slot. If i wanted i could make w/e reasons i wanted to just justify my vote saying i was probably wrong on celtic and so on

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If we mislynch today then it's LyLo tomorrow

Of course, if we lynch correctly today then we win, so...

#630 is bork realizing that he scumposted 629 and had to include the town pov ftr

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#629 really shouldnt have existed, this is really a scumtell

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Of course

, if we lynch correctly today then we win, so...

The use of ''of course'' imply he expected someone to call him out on this, so he's self concious about how he is perceived for seemingly no reason. Town say a lot of stupid shit that can be considered scummy or scumslips from time to time, you just dont see them as often rectifying their posts the way he did. he also posted the post back to back under a minute, this push the idea that 629 was genuine and he didnt think too much about it.

An exemple:

Like if creature wrote #629
and then someone would write #630 : @Creature, if we lynch correctly today its endgame so no reason to lynch for tomorow's lylo (or something like that, reflecting back the actual town pov back to creature who wouldve disregarded it)
Creature #631 : Oh yea right

^^^^
This would be extremely more believable than how bork's 629 and 630 played out. I am literraly doing my research papers on LNP which is language natural processings and im analyzing the psychology of how people talk, why they talk, their motivaitons behind their words, the choice of their words etc. The use of ''Of course'' is indicative

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If we mislynch today then it's LyLo tomorrow

Of course, if we lynch correctly today then we win, so...

#630 is bork realizing that he scumposted 629 and had to include the town pov ftr

Hm
Cautious townie or scum

Just sheep me, im rarely wrong and im not mefia

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Creature is also not in the lynch pool today

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VOTE: cloudkicker fuck you and your quick hammer

@bork don't call someone retarded :/

Not like we could progress the day with half the town nld and inactive, not sure hows that alignement indicative

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#629 really shouldnt have existed, this is really a scumtell

Let me try and use your logic on you so you can see for yourself how bad your case is.

This guy used 'really' twice. This is scummy, as it suggests that he is desperate for town to believe him. Additionally, it is scummy because it shows that he needs to try and convince himself of his argument, because he knows he's bullshitting. He felt the need to add that second 'really' just to make sure that everyone saw his case as legit.

VOTE: CK omg I'm scumreading you exclusively off one post, but I am obviously right because my ego is too inflated to hear other people's logic.

UNVOTE:

I'll reserve my vote for now, but I hope this proves something.

My last post on you is far from the only reason why ive been scumreading you, also everything i said is true, you could still be town tho

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still not alignement indicative, you better game that im am mafia for hammer the night after going againts it

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I dont really care about your opinion on if 629 was a scumtell or not

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lol you are irrecuperable, you dont even understand why i said that. My analysis about your 629 and 630 was objectively correct and valid, regardless of your actual alignement, this is what i implied not that i didnt scumreadyou

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My first open game

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It's also my first open game. I read up on this setup before I started. I knew what I was doing. That's not an excuse.

i replaced in

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still makes no sens to read the win con as town but w/e

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CK, please explain to me why 629 is more likely to come from scum than town, because I legit don't see it.

Also, is Pepchoninga still here? They were active D1 but nothing so far D2 or D3.

Snarky, your thoughts are totally opaque to me. Why was Vij town to you? Does CK hammering NL make them scum to you?

Still sorting CK. Gamma and Snarky have been peripheral and we need more from them. I thought Pep's D1 push on Creature was reachy and fake, not sure why Pep was such a common TR D1; he just didn't seem geniune. My impression of Börk is that they're newish town dedicated to doing things 'by the book.' Finally there's creature; I see effort to figure things out and gather info, but I haven't seen many conclusions. Who are you scumreading, creature?

Its just a read from my hundreds of hours of experiences playing chat mefia.

He made a comment about the game state, the comment was referring to the mafia pov and not the town pov, if he was thinking about the town pov before he made 629 he wouldnt have made the post considering it was only relevant as mafia pov. Maybe Bork is town and just fudged there, regardless of that i am not voting bork just cause of that, its just a continuation of my read d2

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Theres also the fact that this is D3 and that ive been the only one genuinely pushing anything for 2 days, theres a distinct lack of tracktion and support for a bork lynch considering that if bork as town, i would see support from mafia in some ways at least implictly and its just not happening. This is a game state read

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UNVOTE: i want to see stuff from everyone

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really boring

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Up to page 5 i think that

irish is townie

math is townie

kanye is townie

crature is townie

im townie

swedish is mefia

Gamma Emerald
Pepchoninga
SnarkySnowman
Börk Börk

Whos math lmao

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mfw i have to reread because i give ambigous nicknames to everyone

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I see it as a way to generate discussion, which is why I'm townreading I'm at the moment. If it was a bluff, what is he trying to accomplish?

LOL yea its algebra

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And algerabra is celtic mfw

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This the my lynch pool today, im confident with a reread i could sort them relatively easily, prefered lynches atm are bork and snowman. Snowman did 1 thing that was very towny but also very fakable which was a timed unvote on town near L-1 or something, a reread will give me more juice

Gamma Emerald
Pepchoninga

2SnarkySnowman
1Börk Börk

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i tried to iso dive people but im just too lazy

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Try to not put him at L-1, I'm afraid scum might want to make sure we don't hit scum today even if one of them will die tomorrow.

Snarky, if town, will react under the threat of being put to L-1. Snarky, if scum, probably won't mind at all

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i disagree

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Lets play a game :

We speedwagon someones scummy as fuck up to L-1 for reads

VOTE: snowman omguss

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@Hapa

This is D3, we lynch scum today we win, thesoldier is quite obvious town, creature is 2nd on town list.

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Good fucking god there were two no lynches?

Same


Also it's SUPAH BOWL WEEKEND I'll be a little slow in here.


Bork, my 19 posts have more content than your 54. I did read you town but this screams "GOD PLEASE I NEED ANOTHER MISLYNCH"

Hey bro, what about giving content when you are online, you have done nothing this game

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I'm here and keeping up with the thread, but have been down the last few days. Good to see signs of life from the Pep slot. No one else feeling a Gamma lynch?

(Yes, glorified prodge - sue me. )

Explain your gamma read extensively and i am open to it if i agree

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Cool the palm tree is town :

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My highest trs are palm tree/soldier and then creature

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VOTE: gamma

yolo

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Top lynches for me today would be Snarky or CK, though I can't see the latter happening.
Hapahauli is probably my top townread.

Even if you scumread me, i cant be a higher priority lynch over gamma in any town mind

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just ingore bork

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Can you vote gamma ?

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I think Cloud is scum because his reasoning for why I'm scum was shitty and sounded fake. Why? Because it basically amounted to picking at wording and at the fact that I posted a post with additional info

right after

a previous one, even though that's basically my posting style. Scumreads picking exclusively at syntax or wording of a few posts are shit and should be ignored.

I think Snarky's lack of posting is worse for a couple of reasons. For one, literally nobody gave a damn D1 and D2, and it's rather surprising that

nobody

noticed. I'd expect at least one person (other than me) to call it out. That slightly hints to me that perhaps his scumbuddy was trying to distract from it, because lurking is normally something noticeable. Secondly, he makes votes, which would give a lot of people the illusion that he's being active and voting, but at the same time he doesn't really push his votes, so he can't be scrutinised that much if whoever he's voting for flips town.

Why are they both worse than Gamma? Firstly, I wouldn't say they're

a lot

worse than him, but I just don't think scum would be that obvious/nonchalant. Like, I just get the impression that he can't be bothered with the game and is half-assing his posts, which makes him kinda lynchbait. I just feel like scum would be making more of an effort to get things done in a setup such as this where being lynchbait as scum is especially bad.

Noise

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Lack of tracker for gamma's wagon when its a mafia lylo is really incriminating, just lynch the guy

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Choo choo

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Gamma must be pissed that the slot got replaced bu obvious town palm tree, replacements are a pain in the ass on lylo, imagine lylo mefia

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worst read na

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ITS BEEN 2-3 DAYS and no one found a stupid reason to hammer gamma or to hard defend him

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gg i win

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Yea the gamma pushing my ''slip'' and i caught bork hard with his pov slip start of d3, everyone laugh at my reads but im on point each time