Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey guys

What's shaking?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sounds like a bad idea.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: None

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Agreed with Math. Picking a resolution to minimize scum harm is playing to not lose. Picking what's best for town is playing to win.

What's wrong with playing not to lose? Isn't playing optimally always better?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@mod If Arts is chosen, will a vote/lynch mechanic still be available during MYLO/LYLO?

Why does it seem like you're thinking so far ahead?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The majority of the Anicent Era Wonders suck

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We can but we most likely won't. That is asking for a lot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Playing not to lose is playing smart. Playing to win is gambling.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sciences just leads to distractions. Gives scum an excuse to look like they're doing something.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I full heartedly disagree. There's already awesome stuff now, and town can coordinate. There's two wonders I would want personally from this stage here. Who said wonders go up in value as time progresses?

For instance, sciences with the neighborizer can coordinate and form a masonry. Sciences with the Stonehenge can publicly cop who takes a scummy role if they die at night. The doctor can heal prime targets for good role acquisition. (If someone says, I am really good at X and wants it, the doctor can keep them alive).

It may not be traditional coordinating and leashing but it still is coordinating.

~Titus

All of them are awesome theory wise but have the potential to really swing the game into scums favor. There is only one Wonder this era that is guaranteed to help town and screw scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn't notice Vecna was the first one to say 5 either. To be fair, me, him, and Maria just finished a game together where there were 20+ players and we were on a scum team of 5.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

MB and Titus were also in that game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We don't need information, we just need to force scum to beat us with strong Day play.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let it go LUV, absolutely noone is going to scumread me over something so obvious and trivial.

I was actually defending you

[Lil Uzi Vert]

btw can't us townies plan for shit too.
Ywall make it seem like scum can also plan for stuff.
Also
VOTE: Science
Unless Akane changes her mind.

-Nebby

I can't tell who is who. This reads like an Ali post...

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I really don't think science is a good idea. Scum will just get day chat and the neighborizer only lasts the following day and night. I guess you could re-neighborizer the person, but it doesn't allow us the ability to neighborizer multiple town at once, so it's far weaker than scum day chat. That means scum can plan behind the scenes way easier while town have to plan mostly out in the open. Hell, scum could even grab the neighborizer role and then we'd be really fucked with secretive day planning.

And arts is just fucking stupid

VOTE: none

Just entertaining the idea is sick in itself. Imagine the amount of behind the scene manipulation scum can do and the potential irreparable damage.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: Could you make Akane and Nebby clearly state who posted what?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Akane and Nebby just want excitement.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Mod: Could you make Akane and Nebby clearly state who posted what?

Nope.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Albert is in this game? Holy shit

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I think they're pretty self explanatory.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I am keeping this short and sweet and everyone not voting science can explain to me where I am going wrong.

None: We deny ourselves a power for the entire duration of a 3 month game because we want to enter day 1 faster, yay?
Art: Sure we get more powers to choose from but most voting powers favor scum more than town, Governer, Double Voter and Vote thief type effects.
Sciences: We literally just get more info.


None just seems lazy to me, Art seems pro scum and I don't see a con with science. I am open for more opinions but I don't know why anyone is voting something else.

Short and sweet? Why? Have somewhere to go?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Play around it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think the tree stump power is arguable the best one depending on who takes it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Im not going to tell scum what they can do to gain an advantage.

Ive thought about it, I see a VERY CLEAR/STRONG way to abuse it.

Those that have played with me before know that im pretty decent at theorizing working scum plans.

Scum gain a BIG advantage with science.

Theres other reasons that have not been mentioned yet. Im not going to mention them.

I would think people in pick your power would understand best why nothing is the best pick after that buttt
~Maria

Titus is stubborn

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why would you claim?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Tree stump is negative utility for scum in my opinion

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wouldn't you assume a mass claim in inevitable?

No, we won't know if it will be needed. Hell for all we know, we could win the game by Day 4.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Vecna probably isn't scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Waiting for Gerry to judge Sondam.

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LUV your read on us?

Probably not scum if Ali has been the only head to post so far.

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LUV why?

I've played with scum Mala before. That's all I'll say for now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Treestump basically is like having an IC if they're town.

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Scum don't want that power, it doesn't give them any value and potentially gives away their partners.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Everyone on the None wagon is currently either off the table for me or null except Leon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@PV: It's the only power that makes sense for today and doesn't suck. The others are too much of a gamble.

@DEO: I didn't really like his suggestion and the semantics game he was playing early on.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol LUV sidestepping.

I should try to sort some other nerds real quickly lmao

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@PV: Yeah and 4 out of those 5 have potential to go seriously wrong.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@PV: Yeah and 4 out of those 5 have potential to go seriously wrong.

Really? How so?

- Scum can act like they're a PR by bread crumbing or lay lowing and can trick a town who choose the doctor power to protect them
- Scum benefit if they get to neighborize someone or someone neighorizes them since they not only get information they might have not had but also get to manipulate in private
- Scum can use the cop on death to get an idea of who to kill
- Scum can try to act as vigilante bait and get the vigilante killed

Lol LUV sidestepping.

I should try to sort some other nerds real quickly lmao

Who are your scumreads?

@Maxous, half a read?

Just Leon and half of the A&N hydra. I could see Spliff as well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

- Scum can act like they're a PR by bread crumbing or lay lowing and can trick a town who choose the doctor power to protect them

Except all the power roles are out in the open.
Town doc will choose who they think is best.
Scum doc, if they bother, wont protect the NK.

- Scum benefit if they get to neighborize someone or someone neighorizes them since they not only get information they might have not had but also get to manipulate in private

Smart town dont share with neighbors without reason. And most scum do not fare well in neighborhoods.

- Scum can use the cop on death to get an idea of who to kill

That's ok, since they are dead anyway.

- Scum can try to act as vigilante bait and get the vigilante killed

This is not a role currently in the game.

- Scum can use the cop on death to get an idea of who to kill

This is wierd and stretchy.

A scumread on Spiffeh? Really? A and N hydra? They're big townreads of mine, although I think they are wrong on Elbrin.

The overall point is the risks are too damn high while there are literally none with tree stump. You guys are going to outsmart yourselves and get duped by scum.

I didn't like Spiff's interactions with beeboy. Mala head is what's pinging me about A&N.

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@PV: Yeah and 4 out of those 5 have potential to go seriously wrong.

Really? How so?

- Scum can act like they're a PR by bread crumbing or lay lowing and can trick a town who choose the doctor power to protect them
- Scum benefit if they get to neighborize someone or someone neighorizes them since they not only get information they might have not had but also get to manipulate in private
- Scum can use the cop on death to get an idea of who to kill
- Scum can try to act as vigilante bait and get the vigilante killed

These seem to be based on the idea that town is dumb. And yes, scum getting PRs is bad and town getting them is good, it's not rocket science.

K that's a lie I do have reads. Like Leon, dude, did it really not occur to you why outing every single PR would be a bad idea? Cause normally town just thinks about that by default, and scum have nothin to fear.

I hadn't read how the wonders worked when I posted that, I was mostly thinking about build priority and stopping scummy players from getting PRs.

We've some smart players for sure but as a unit I wouldn't be surprised if we failed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon's new avi is miles better than his old one.

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Drix read my mind on Tree Stump honestly. I mean it's still a gamble but way less of a gamble than the other Wonders.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Drix read my mind on Tree Stump honestly. I mean it's still a gamble but way less of a gamble than the other Wonders.

Uzi could you explain your point in calling those roles a gamble again? Like what action do you want to be taken

See 228.

Honestly? None. All of this is just noise.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All of these Wonders just suck to be honest. Modern Era should give us better ones.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're really underestimating how dysfunctional town can be Drix.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There is way too much distrust early on for all the power we could gain to even match the fact that scum are informed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What was essentially proposed by some earlier was that all this information would help form a town block in a game that just started and has 20+ players.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's just hammer None so we can get to actually voting our scum reads.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kyouko, when you get on, vote None!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's just hammer None so we can get to actually voting our scum reads.

you are yours and why?

Huh?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's just hammer None so we can get to actually voting our scum reads.

you are yours and why?

Huh?

you said you wanted to end this to get to the voting stage and vote your scum reads...so who are they?

Leon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

And the Pick Your Power game? Hmm.

This game shouldn't be focused on measuring our past achievements or perceived lack their of. My town play has improved from where it was. The point is to figure out who is town and get the best out of them. So, if you think I'm town, you should help me avoid my pitfalls. If you think I'm scum, the goal should be the opposite.

It's not just that game.

I'm town and I work better with less noise. All of the mechanics talk is just that and don't help anyone figure out anyone else's alignment. I'm going to have trouble figuring out the both of you if we continue which is why I want you to just vote None.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

And the Pick Your Power game? Hmm.

This game shouldn't be focused on measuring our past achievements or perceived lack their of. My town play has improved from where it was. The point is to figure out who is town and get the best out of them. So, if you think I'm town, you should help me avoid my pitfalls. If you think I'm scum, the goal should be the opposite.

It's not just that game.

I'm town and I work better with less noise. All of the mechanics talk is just that and don't help anyone figure out anyone else's alignment. I'm going to have trouble figuring out the both of you if we continue which is why I want you to just vote None.

If you solve the game better without the mechanics talk, why were you engaging me more on the mechanics talk and why was it harder to discuss reads with you?

Mainly because I am trying to work with you and I don't like sharing reads.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Pyramids only. Anything else is garbage.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

And the Pick Your Power game? Hmm.

This game shouldn't be focused on measuring our past achievements or perceived lack their of. My town play has improved from where it was. The point is to figure out who is town and get the best out of them. So, if you think I'm town, you should help me avoid my pitfalls. If you think I'm scum, the goal should be the opposite.

It's not just that game.

I'm town and I work better with less noise. All of the mechanics talk is just that and don't help anyone figure out anyone else's alignment. I'm going to have trouble figuring out the both of you if we continue which is why I want you to just vote None.

If you solve the game better without the mechanics talk, why were you engaging me more on the mechanics talk and why was it harder to discuss reads with you?

Mainly because I am trying to work with you and I don't like sharing reads.

Sharing reads is much more efficient though. I generally post more if I can't get the information regarding reads directly yet. Plus, it makes you more lynchable which although I have you as possible scum, I don't think you're in my lynch pool today.

I mean I give when I can and then people ask for more or town reads which I really hate. I'm pretty sure Vecna isn't scum. As in about 75 percent sure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My other two scum games on my wiki are more indicative of how I play scum.

@A&N: These Wonders suck. Wait for the Modern Era!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@A&N: Trust me, it has something better! I can't say anymore since I'll probably get modkilled.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Frog, we don't have enough time to figure out a system. Get back on Nons.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Frog, we don't have enough time to figure out a system. Get back on Nons.

What is this BS? We have 7 real life days plus another 14 real life days while we're in lynch phase.

Yeah because other games and IRL aren't things. Our time should be only used to actually scum hunt.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also I've had town too many times agree to what to do at Night and the next Day it's revealed that people did their own thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who would you neighborize right now A&N?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Good answer.

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Yeah this isn't hard. If there's anything I've learned from my first large theme game is that a lot of large theme games are like mechanic puzzles that are best left unsolved.

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I don't really know what Arts, Science and None are and I don't know why None is better than Arts and Science.

They're majors

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have an idea of who should be the tree stump but I don't think they'd like that power very much

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What's going to happen if we pick:
- Science?
- Arts?
- None?

I'm sorta confused with the info mod gave.

We're going to find out.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How do you know A&N is town Yuri?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Okay, I kinda get what Science is.

Must mean we're gonna know earlier what we can build and thus scum could coordinate their picks.

What about Arts? Why one extra build benefits scum?

More options, more ways to deceive and kill town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How do you know A&N is town Yuri?

I don't. Akane's point doesn't make sense if I entertain a scum pov in the response, so I answered with town pov.

Sure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Stonehedge will either be a waste or backfire.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Stonehedge will either be a waste or backfire.

This doesn't help. Wonders are only as useful as the person who has them. Brb.

Which is why you pick one that won't give scum any real advantage, like Pyramid.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

NOT THE MAUSOLEUM. NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WON'T BE DUPLICATED.

Like, are you peeps intentionally trying to annoy me. Well, you are succeeding. Nebby, please come in before this devolves into screaming festa.

- Akane

Having seen my scum game, would you trust me if I were to neighborize you?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

Yes. You are right.

If you were able to assign current wonders to current players, who would you give what role?

Hanging Gardens: beeboy
The Pyramids: N/A at this time
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus: Frog
Stonehegde: Creature/Frog/The DEO/Vecna
Zeus: Frog/Vecna

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Modern Era will probably bring more complex and unique roles that could potentially help with alignment sorting.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who cares? I want this one. I don't want more complex or game-solving or unique. I want this one.

It's not what you want, it's what you need

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah, thanks for the outing the pressure you were going to put on Yuri.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

PV still on Arts

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Leon

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Spoiler: A bunch of Uzi Quotes

@mod If Arts is chosen, will a vote/lynch mechanic still be available during MYLO/LYLO?

Why does it seem like you're thinking so far ahead?

Sciences just leads to distractions. Gives scum an excuse to look like they're doing something.

@Mod: Could you make Akane and Nebby clearly state who posted what?

Why would you claim?

LUV your read on us?

Probably not scum if Ali has been the only head to post so far.

LUV why?

I've played with scum Mala before. That's all I'll say for now.

@PV: It's the only power that makes sense for today and doesn't suck. The others are too much of a gamble.

@DEO: I didn't really like his suggestion and the semantics game he was playing early on.

Kyouko, when you get on, vote None!

29 is a question that leads nowhere.
38 is shit reasoning for why science shouldn't be picked
95 is a really scummy way of trying to get us to sign. Especially considering who's piloting the hydra.
165 is him asking a question to just look busy
192 implies he's scumreading us becuase he can't figure out who is posting
196 is a read that has no depth to it.
209 is Uzi dodging the question of who he scumreads.
321 is Uzi specificly talking to Kyouko which is just strange considering other people haven't posted.
-Nebby

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Maria what you got?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Why are you scum reading Nero? I have a feeling it's for him agreeing with The DEO and his other reasoning for not voting None but I want to make sure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.

Oh look, more evasion.

-Nebby

Yeah I'm evading because me talking about that list is just going to lead us back to setup and mechanic talk.

Talk to me about why you voted None yet calling my reasoning for not wanting to vote Sciences shit. Talk to me about how asking the mod for you 2 to sign your posts with your actually names is scummy or even implies I'm scum reading your slot. Talk to me about how a meta read has no depth.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

I've been town hunting. When I'm saying probably not scum I usually mean null or town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Random vote on Nero doesn't help

You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.

-Nebby

Unexplained vote then.
w/e. Semantics.
You know what I mean

DEO's and Maria's votes are unexplained along with Uzi's. Why aren't you scumreading them?
And ya know what, let's play a little game.
No, I don't know what you mean, please explain it to me.

I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.

Oh look, more evasion.

-Nebby

Yeah I'm evading because me talking about that list is just going to lead us back to setup and mechanic talk.

Talk to me about why you voted None yet calling my reasoning for not wanting to vote Sciences shit. Talk to me about how asking the mod for you 2 to sign your posts with your actually names is scummy or even implies I'm scum reading your slot. Talk to me about how a meta read has no depth.

You assigned certain people to that list for a reason and I want to know why you want those certain people having those certain wonders.

I voted None because both me and Akane agree with Vecna's points, and we want to start pushing our scumreads.
That's gutpings.
The problem with Meta is that you're using it as an excuse to give a shallow read.

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

I've been town hunting. When I'm saying probably not scum I usually mean null or town.

YOU JUST SAID LET'S START SCUMHUNTING!

-Nebby

You don't need to know, it is literally not relevant right now.

I'm glad you agree with Vecna's points but that still doesn't explain why you have an issue with my reasoning for not voting Sciences.

It's not shallow and it's not the basis of my whole read. It is actually one of the reasons why I had asked the mod for you guys to sign your posts with your actually names.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sup nerds and Alisae and Vecna

Excellent, I've awoken the first morning to 23 pages. I'll just be reading.
Might not catch up til much later tonight, I have a short shift at work I'll be starting in a few hours.

New avi looking nice

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm null on Nero. I really liked his 453.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm glad you agree with Vecna's points but that still doesn't explain why you have an issue with my reasoning for not voting Sciences.

The issue here is that it's bad and lazy. It just looks like you're saying stuff.

-Nebby

I'm not. I literally don't care to see what Wonders are coming up and I don't know why anyone else would. All it will do is get us in to a +15 page discussion on the pros and cons of each and why someone is either scum or town for liking one more than the other.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem Drix is that we've seen MB and Titus play tend to backfire on town.

Titus and I are swingy. Look at Undertale. Because sometimes we're wrong and sometimes we're right doesn't mean we are wrong here. Scumz maybe? Going to talk with Titus head some.

~~Math

That's fair. Some of us just don't want to bank on you guys being right.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not. I literally don't care to see what Wonders are coming up and I don't know why anyone else would. All it will do is get us in to a +15 page discussion on the pros and cons of each and why someone is either scum or town for liking one more than the other.

Few things.
A. Didn't you say you knew better wonders were coming up?
B. What is wrong with discussion on why someone is scum or town for liking one wonder more then the other?

-Nebby

A.) I do. I just can't talk about it, my role PM permits me from doing so.
B.) Your slot, The DEO, etc. People are going to pick Wonders based on what appeals most to them and suits their strengths. It's NAI.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The main thing that gives me pause about Yuri!scum is Maxous.

At least of those two is definitely scum.

Why Max? I can see Yuri.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can see why he would town read Yuri based on that though. It's weak for sure but I didn't get scummy vibes from that compared to his opening post.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This game needs more Pine.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't agree with the last one. It was very odd for Creature to state he didn't know what either did and then imply that Arts and Sciences is better.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm null on Nero. I really liked his 453.

What about that post did you like?

See 615.

I just liked that he asked him about it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Do you have a fake read on me Maria?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max

Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
~Maria

Fake read like I thought.

I don't think your scum though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max

Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
~Maria

Fake read like I thought.

I don't think your scum though.

Mother fucker do you want me to put my vote back on you cause it wasn't fucking fake
~Maria

You can after you sheep me on Leon

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Yuri.
-Nebby

Fixed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Yuri.
-Nebby

Fixed.

And you're voting Leon...
-Nebby

Yeah because he's my strongest scum read.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Yuri.
-Nebby

Fixed.

And you're voting Leon...
-Nebby

Yeah because he's my strongest scum read.

Wouldn't have you added him to the pool of "Acceptable lynches" then?
-Nebby

Nah, I'm lazy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm null on Nero. I really liked his 453.

I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max

Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
~Maria

Fake read like I thought.

I don't think your scum though.

I didn't like these.

Because?
-Nebby

453 was really far from anything alignment indicative even if he agreed with it. Fake read is a weird af accusation to make towards a town read.

I have Nero as null?

Stop misrepresenting. That's not why I'm town reading the Maria head.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who cares? I want this one. I don't want more complex or game-solving or unique. I want this one.

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

Just caught up to the resolution, lame. I would've wanted science

Setup nerd

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have Nero as null?

Stop misrepresenting. That's not why I'm town reading the Maria head.

It's still a really shitty post to say you like but yeah I misread that.

I never said that was a bad reason to town read someone. I am saying that's a really weird question / thing to say to a town read.

Never said you called it bad?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who cares? I want this one. I don't want more complex or game-solving or unique. I want this one.

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

Just caught up to the resolution, lame. I would've wanted science

oh forgot I had those in Q+.

I suggest nobody else tries to take the gardens from AnN unless you feel like you do very well hunting with neighborhoods. Doing so will possibly mess up your priority for future builds.
I was going to say Uzi was a Vanilla Cop in 200 but I'm getting it confused with 199. scratch that. Not a valid point unless this is multiball though because 200 was multiball.

200 is actually why I asked A&N if they would trust me if I had taken the Gardens and opted to use it on them. Ali's answer makes me feel about how confident they're.

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I have Nero as null?

Stop misrepresenting.

That's not why I'm town reading the Maria head.

I never said that was a bad reason to town read someone

. I am saying that's a really weird question / thing to say to a town read.

Never said you called it bad?

I mean you did say I was claiming that was your reason for town reading Maria.

And that implies it's bad? Or did you know it was bad and thought you could push shit reasoning to scum read me?

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Hopefully this setup doesn't let scum do factional kills during the day.

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@TheDEO: Aren't y'all on Yuri?

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And that implies it's bad? Or did you know it was bad and thought you could push shit reasoning to scum read me?

wut.
I literally said that post wasn't the reason you town read the slot. It doesn't make a difference if it was a good, bad or null reason at that point.

The thing is I'm pretty sure I never said I was town reading Maria before that.

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And that implies it's bad? Or did you know it was bad and thought you could push shit reasoning to scum read me?

wut.
I literally said that post wasn't the reason you town read the slot. It doesn't make a difference if it was a good, bad or null reason at that point.

The thing is I'm pretty sure I never said I was town reading Maria before that.

You said you thought they weren't scum reading the slot in the exact post I quoted.

What? Dude I'm hung up on the fact that you were thinking that was the reason I was town reading the Maria head and then assuming I think it's a bad reason.

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He says in 453 Nero is null though. "Don't think you're scum" doesn't mean he thinks they're town. Could be sorting them
VOTE: beeboy

Saying you like a post does mean you think a post would be more likely to come from town (I think).

I mean he did say that he was town reading the slot. Also if you were sorting a slot you wouldn't think they aren't scum that is something you would be unsure about that.


This is a stupid discussion and I am not going to waste more posts with it.

I never said I was town reading Nero.

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And that implies it's bad? Or did you know it was bad and thought you could push shit reasoning to scum read me?

wut.
I literally said that post wasn't the reason you town read the slot. It doesn't make a difference if it was a good, bad or null reason at that point.

The thing is I'm pretty sure I never said I was town reading Maria before that.

You said you thought they weren't scum reading the slot in the exact post I quoted.

What? Dude I'm hung up on the fact that you were thinking that was the reason I was town reading the Maria head and then assuming I think it's a bad reason.

I am just going to go to point A) and reexplain everything using an incredibly small amount of words since I apparently suck at explaining things.


453 is a bad post to like.

640 and 646 isn't how town talk to town reads.

Yeah except I never said I was town reading her at all. I just don't think she's scum.

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Gerry head has yet to post I think so she's completely null for me.

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I forgot what MB found scummy about me. Something about anti-town sentiment.

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I think Titus didn't like my reads from earlier or something.

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That proposed scum team

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This is going to be a long game.

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Btw reminder not to give any indication of whether you're going for a role today and which role you'd choose.

And when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not.

The less scum know about the location of the power roles, the less successful they'll be at neutralizing them.

^ forced.

I mean, that's obvious with any role in any mafia game. Why did you feel the need to point this out?

Was this Gerry head?

PEdit: yes

Ugh I don't feel so good about this slot anymore

Same. I wanted to be able to easily sort Maria too.

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Even if they talk about it, it is no guarantee they will get or choose that one they are talking about. Redgardless of that, there is no need to say that "when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not." that seems very forced to me. Like no shit, thats basically outing as PR when not needed to.

~G

Talking about it is why this game is at 30+ pages.

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You seem upset over a town read fading.

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You can stop the fake frustration. I'm just taking notes.

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You can stop the fake frustration. I'm just taking notes.

ok this post is fake lmfao. This guy has been in games where I've been more upset. He's probably mafia throwing shade`

~G

Please

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A&N, Kyouko, and Pine were in a game where I rolled scum and Titus subbed into my first scum game so feel free to ask them for meta on me.

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I don't really like the Max wagon either. Let's just do Leon.

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Or we can wait for some slots. I know two hydras haven't posted yet.

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Why don't you like the Max wagon Uzi?

He's essentially being voted for being forced to compromise. The reality is that no one was seriously going to go through with Sciences or even Arts once The DEO gave their reasoning.

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What are the others? The case he had on Spi?

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Max just doesn't feel right and I have a feeling we aren't going to get anything out of him.

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I can do Mickey if you're okay with that. I just hate autocorrect

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What are the others? The case he had on Spi?

just call him spiff or spiffy or spiffeh, please.

Yes. And also his terrible vote on Yuri. Like I said. i'm pretty sure either Max or Yuri is scum. Just not sure which, but I think Max makes more sense to me.

Yuri man.

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tbh DEO hasn't explained that contradiction at all since gerry brought it up.
Also that's twice now (i think) that Titus has backed down from an argument saying 'i tried to reach out but you don't want to have a discussion with me' in like, a really short amount of time. Usually she'd argue for longer. I've been witness to shit like that. But fuck if she's town I don't want to day 1 1v1 her because i want to enjoy this game

But besides that, Titus's rampant paranoia and making most players actions about her (see: saying a player is attacking her townreads, trying to discredit her, tear apart her townbloc, etc. etc.) is so town!Titus.

Fro99er's whole thing w his scum tell looks genuine enough. and, to clear up a point, my problem wasn't with the self-meta (everybody does it it's not scummy inherently) but with bringing up self-meta to a player you have never played with, in response to me calling a post scummy. Doesn't make sense

Uzi, bro, why am scum for you again

Pedit: Oh DEO there u are, can you explain to me what happened with that contradiction re: the Maxous wagon and Sondam

I'm scum reading you because of your opening posts, your push on Frog, and your interactions with A&N. The last sentence of the first paragraph in your 226 pinged me a bit because I believe we were just 10 pages in and you were worried or at least implying you were about people trying to fly under the radar. It doesn't make any sense for town to be thinking that way so early on in the game. It read to me like you had received or had some knowledge about a threat that you couldn't potentially manipulate. Your next two posts (229 and 230) made me think you were also a bit too self aware and realized that the stance you were thinking about taking was going to get you some heat so you decided to gave a bullshit read on Leon and then voted Sciences.

Your entire push on Frog was shit and is classic scum making something out of nothing. The way you were talking to A&N about their love and want for the ability to neighbor makes me think you know they're town. I don't understand why town would call a head of a hydra confirmed town after calling people out on town reading half a hydra.

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Mala head is what's pinging me about A&N.

What was pinging you from Mala back here?

Opening post.

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Oh Yuri is an alt? Knew it

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Legit slip A&N? You think?

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VOTE: Notice

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There's no way you could've have noticed that part

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There's no way you could not have noticed that part

EBWOP.

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There's no way you could've have noticed that part

I assume you mean

not

notice that part, and obviously there is.

Yep and no there isn't.

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I could buy not understanding.

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Yeah that's bull Jae. Masons being able to talk during the night is enough. Being practically confirmed innoncents is better than Day talk. The only way I see it being useful is to coordinate a mass claim.

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Yeah that's bull Jae. Masons being able to talk during the night is enough. Being practically confirmed innocents is better than Day talk. The only way I see it being useful is to coordinate a mass claim.

EBWOP.

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There's no way you could've have noticed that part

I assume you mean

not

notice that part, and obviously there is.

Yep and no there isn't.

Yes, there is. I never once said I was building the damn thing. I was trying to get others to do so.

Doesn't matter. There is no you couldn't have seen the bolded. It's right after the name of the Wonder.

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There's no way you could've have noticed that part

I assume you mean

not

notice that part, and obviously there is.

Yep and no there isn't.

Yes, there is. I never once said I was building the damn thing. I was trying to get others to do so.

Doesn't matter. There is no way you couldn't have seen the bolded. It's right after the name of the Wonder

EBWOP.

Yeah going to bed in 10. Typos everywhere.

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There's no way you could've have noticed that part

I assume you mean

not

notice that part, and obviously there is.

Yep and no there isn't.

Yes, there is. I never once said I was building the damn thing. I was trying to get others to do so.

I know that, thing is that information is still right after the name of the Wonder. There is nothing overly long or complicated thing in the parathesis

Doesn't matter. There is no you couldn't have seen the bolded. It's right after the name of the Wonder.

Alisae bolded it. It's not bolded in the first post.

I know that but just stop. The non-town part was originally in italics which naturally forces people to draw their attention to it. There is no way you missed that.

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No you saw it and tried to be bold. You just said you spent over 8+ hours reading this thread.

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No you saw it and tried to be bold. You just said you spent over 8+ hours reading this thread.

10. I spent 10 hours trying to catch up because I went to sleep as the thread opened and you guys decided to have stupid ass mechanical arguments instead of getting it over and done with and scumhunting. Which I thought you were probably town for trying to push it away from that.

Can you link me a game where you've pushed something as a "slip" as town before?

Be bold with what? Like what's the scum motivation there?

You know I was just trolling a bit earlier as a way to feel you out and get you involved into the game but this response seals it for me. The fact that you're trying to doubt cast my push by asking for a game in where I push a slip as town speaks volumes.

You're trying to tell me that you saw The Great Lighthouse and then immediately after your eyes magically skipped to the words factional. Considering what has been already pointed out, I find that very hard to believe. It's quite bold though because not only did you thought you could dumb tell and get away with it, you also tried to sell us on something that masons and neighbors don't really need.

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No you saw it and tried to be bold. You just said you spent over 8+ hours reading this thread.

10. I spent 10 hours trying to catch up because I went to sleep as the thread opened and you guys decided to have stupid ass mechanical arguments instead of getting it over and done with and scumhunting. Which I thought you were probably town for trying to push it away from that.

Can you link me a game where you've pushed something as a "slip" as town before?

Be bold with what? Like what's the scum motivation there?

You know I was just trolling a bit earlier as a way to feel you out and get you involved into the game but this response seals it for me. The fact that you're trying to doubt cast my push by asking for a game in where I push a slip as town speaks volumes.

You're trying to tell me that you saw The Great Lighthouse and then immediately after your eyes magically skipped to the words factional. Considering what has been already pointed out, I find that very hard to believe. It's quite bold though because not only did you thought you could dumb tell and get away with it, you also tried to sell us on something that masons and neighbors don't really need.

That's not doubt casting. That's asking for a game where you've done the same so I know if it's a personality trait or my scumtell. I've caught scum before for pushing on slips that aren't actually slips. I've also correctly identified town doing it as opposed to scum doing it before. It would help to know if you've done it before as town.

I'm trying to tell you I skimmed it when I c/p'ed it to the hydra pt to discuss with mastina when she had the time. And I don't dumb tell. I've chewed out a previous hydra partner for doing it before, and that was when we were actually scum. I very rarely gambit, I don't dumbtell, and I almost always have a red flag when someone tries to push a non-slip as a scumslip.

And yes, masons and neighbours can use daytalk to devastating effect. So can scum. Ask MathBlade.

I probably haven't to be honest.

See I mean that sounds believable but at the same time, the fact that you just said you copied and pasted it, means it was highlighted and that you probably took another look at it before dumping it into the Hydra PT. If so, if you're town, you would realize there would be no reason to discuss it.

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Listen, Notice is scum. Look at what you they tried to sell me and Ali last night. Especially after they told us they copied and pasted the description of the Wonder. Copied and pasted it. That means they highlighted and right clicked! No way in hell could they have read the non-town part! They're scum that fucked up, it happens.

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Get off Max. How is anyone still on that wagon after it was being pushed by people that weren't even on it?

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Titus if you're town, work with us here. Cut the salt from PyP and join the Notice wagon.

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Listen, Notice is scum. Look at what you they tried to sell me and Ali last night. Especially after they told us they copied and pasted the description of the Wonder. Copied and pasted it. That means they highlighted and right clicked! No way in hell could they've not have read the non-town part! They're scum that fucked up, it happens.

EBWOP.

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Also I'd like to bring up the main excuse that Jae gave. The 10 hour catch-up one.

Assuming that they were either note taking or just dumping things in their hydra PT, that excuse still doesn't check out. The Wonders are part of the first few posts by the mod. They are not on page 6, page 12, page 39, etc. They're on page 1. They are one of the first things you see and one of the actually things you might spend 5-10 minutes on or even look back on through your catch-up.

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I think this is normal beeboy as in like it doesn't seem out of character for him. I've opted to ignore him for now.

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@Creature: Could you talk about Albert some? Feels like they're getting a pass solely off of reputation..

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Looks like he's staying off the radar, and I'm not giving him a pass.

I get the same feeling too but what do you think about his endgame comment?

I know that but just stop. The non-town part was originally in italics which naturally forces people to draw their attention to it. There is no way you missed that.

So you're positing I came into this thread, as scum, saw it said "non-town", then thought "hey you know what would be an absolutely brilliant idea??? Trying to get town to build this for ??? reasons because Nahdia wouldn't OBVIOUSLY point out to them that it's a non-town wonder!"

Fuck off.

Not to mention the tone here screams town!BaeReed.

-Nebby

Jae isn't that mad, that's fake.

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I get the same feeling too but what do you think about his endgame comment?

Endgame comment?

793.

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@Uzi, I want to believe you are town, but shading me for not agreeing with the wagon you want isn't cool. I just happen to disagree with your assertion. The behavior you describe is too dumb to be AI. I am not ruling out you being right, but opposing wagons would tell us more IMO.

If you want to be on the same wagon, why not Sondham?

@Sondham, Stop talking about who is annoying, get in sync if you can, and case someone.

Why can't they just be scum that fucked up? I wasn't shading, I just don't understand why you're scum reading Vecna so hard.

I can't get behind the Sondham wagon because the Maria head doesn't make me think they're scum and it's hard to really sort Gerry when he's on v/LA. Also you were pushing them for a wagon you weren't even on.

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I can do Yuri. I know you are scum reading him.

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Leon, Yuri, or Notice.

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Can you hop on your main account Yuri?

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Nahdia seems cool, I think they'll let you do it.

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UNVOTE:

why the change

Can you hop on your main account Yuri?

No.

Please. I wanna lynch you on your main account again.

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What was the contradiction again?

877.

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Don't be a dick Uzi.

I'm sorry you rolled scum man.

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You know who Yuri is?

Yeah someone told me earlier.

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You know who Yuri is?

He doesn't. idk why he's asking for my main but choosing to taunt me instead of anything else is why i'm not moving my vote to Akane like I planned to.

I know man. I'm just not going to be a dick and out it. Just man up and post on your main since I know this isn't your town game.

I'm not taunting you, I just wanna talk about why I'm scum reading you.

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I don't believe you. Not unless you can tell me who told you. I know for a fact you don't have the correct meta on me, so your meta is garbage. Stop whatever this is.

No, I'm going to expose who did, would be messed up. I'm giving you a chance here to come clean because there is a possibility you might actually be town unlike Leon and Notice.

You don't have correct meta on me either which is how I knew you were an alt

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I don't believe you. Not unless you can tell me who told you. I know for a fact you don't have the correct meta on me, so your meta is garbage. Stop whatever this is.

No, I'm not going to expose who did, would be messed up. I'm giving you a chance here to come clean because there is a possibility you might actually be town unlike Leon and Notice.

You don't have correct meta on me either which is how I knew you were an alt

EBWOP.

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A&N is like 90 percent town, it's just Mala that's the problem for me.

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I don't believe you. Not unless you can tell me who told you. I know for a fact you don't have the correct meta on me, so your meta is garbage. Stop whatever this is.

No, I'm going to expose who did, would be messed up. I'm giving you a chance here to come clean because there is a possibility you might actually be town unlike Leon and Notice.

You don't have correct meta on me either which is how I knew you were an alt

It's obvious I'm an alt by the fact that I have zero completed games but got into this game. If I don't have correct meta on you, there's no way you could have meta on me.

Why would it be messed up to tell me who the hell outed me to some random asshole? I played on an alt for a fuckin reason and if that bothers you then just say so.

I do, because I know who you are. We've played a few games together.

It's not the fact that your playing on your alt, it's your shit reasoning for your vote on me.

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Yeah, you're scum.

@Max: Talk to me about Kyouko. Why are you scum reading him? He's null for me right now.

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Yeah, you're scum.

then vote them with me

Notice isn't a viable wagon right now

Why? Notice is practically confirmed.

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Fuck it

VOTE: Yuri

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Not to mention he slipped as well, just not as bad as Notice.

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Titus I think beeboy is just VI. Hard to explain really but gut tells me he probably isn't scum.

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Not to mention he slipped as well, just not as bad as Notice.

who slipped where?

481.

I doubt town would phrase it like he did.

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Still content with my vote on Spiffeh. His Titus read is not good and the vote on me is lol.

HEY MAXOUS:

You still haven't answered why basing my argument on a similar game was bad and what you meant by "overplaying" which makes me think you're just throwing out buzz words to make your read sound reasonable.

^ This was to you, please do this.

Can people town reading Maxous please explain why because I'm about to engage hyper-tunnel-douchebag mode

Not town reading him, just don't see why people were pushing for him so hard. He hasn't done anything extremely incriminating.

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beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Might be having trouble getting into the game? Seems understandable considering the amount of players.

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beeboy is underwhelming me this game so far, nothing specific really

Might be having trouble getting into the game? Seems understandable considering the amount of players.

Do you know beeboy? Why are you defending him on conjecture here?

Defending him from what? Spiffy isn't attacking him.

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beeboy's wagon composition doesn't give me confindence.

I can read Kyouko pretty well but so far he's not town telling like he usually does.

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Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

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beeboy's wagon composition doesn't give me confindence.

I can read Kyouko pretty well but so far he's not town telling like he usually does.

How does kyouko town tell?

He's usually more engaged and involved then he currently is or heavily analyzing the nerdy stuff like the setup or doing VCA.

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Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

I'm listening.

I don't know, just seems like you scum read A&N, Titus head, and Maria head more.

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I think this is normal beeboy as in like it doesn't seem out of character for him. I've opted to ignore him for now.

Where did you get the impression that this was normal for beeboy? Have you played with him before?

Just gut.

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Not sure what to make of PV. It feels like there vote should be elsewhere.

I'm listening.

I don't know, just seems like you scum read A&N, Titus head, and Maria head more.

A&N- They are playing and interacting and coming up with stuff, I just don't find it all that powerful or persuasive, personally. And I've flagged some behavior that will mean more later in the game.

DEO- Very ambivalent on Math overall, wary of Titus play in general. At some point that will do something that will trip me one way or another, but it hasn't happened yet.

Sondam- Similar to A&N when it comes to how I perceive them. They are doing stuff, but seem to overreact to others reactions to them.

I get hydra dissonance exists, but it is a scum tactic to hide behind when shifting reads and making opportunistic changes to play. To that end, I scrutinize hydras harder on most things, and don't give them the same benefit of the doubt I might a single player.

So what makes beeboy scummier than those 3?

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Drix has sort of fell of the face of the Earth to be honest.

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@Max: You didn't get back to me on Kyouko.

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I want Spif, Deo, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi, and Frogger to be my mason buddies.

-Nebby

You are a fool in the process of being endgamed.

This list is comedically horrible.

Like Vecna Frogger Spiffy LUV Yuri is my scumteam read.

~~Math

These are still my reads. Not seeing anything that changes them.

Notice is obvTown. Leave them alone.

~~Math

Notice is not town.

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@Max: You didn't get back to me on Kyouko.

I missed your post.
Kyouko is scummy because his vote on beeboy was rubbish and nothing else he's said has wow'ed me

Yeah I remember his vote being a bit of an overreaction but I don't think he's scummy. I'll have to reread his ISO though.

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Pedit Yes JaeReed is.

~~Math

Pedit2 Not gonna happen pretty sure Frogger is scum.

Have you not read any of the slip stuff?!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ugh, your reads.

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Let's just lynch Yuri.

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This game needs more Pine.

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Why are we voting Yuri again? And who he is?

He's scum Creature.

I tired to give him an out but he told me to fuck off so he dies.

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Titus I think beeboy is just VI.

Are you the pot or the kettle?

PV is town

That's what Mama,

Jesus

, and the mod tell me.

bullshit, I never said that.

but ok you can be town.

Why am I VI?

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Why am I VI?

I've played with you in reacted.

Vi is Village Idiot.

I know what VI means, I'm asking why.