Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Akane and Nebby]

Reporting for duty

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

I too am for sciences. Will need to consult with Nebby, though

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

The majority of the Anicent Era Wonders suck

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, they're the best wonders in Civ 5 what the fuck you talking about?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

btw can't us townies plan for shit too.
Ywall make it seem like scum can also plan for stuff.
Also
VOTE: Science
Unless Akane changes her mind.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also for the people who don't want anything, I got my eye on you.

And I ran out of Lillie's bag cuz I hated Lillie and I found Akane and I like staying in her bag more.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby think choosing nothing is a scumclaim, and I'm inclined to agree.

- Akane.

[Akane and Nebby]

True, that's why Nebby agreed to hydra it up with me. We both discovered we want excitement in our lives.

[Akane and Nebby]

Frogger put it at L-1 because he's scum who wants to deny the town information.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby think choosing nothing is a scumclaim, and I'm inclined to agree.

- Akane.

I am also inclined to agree and was coming to post this and think you are town.

We're friends. I can already tell.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

LUV your read on us?

[Akane and Nebby]

LUV why?

[Akane and Nebby]

uh huh.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Lol LUV sidestepping.

I should try to sort some other nerds real quickly lmao

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin why did you suddenly switch from Science to None?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also I got scumreads too but I'm waiting for the phase to end hehe
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Really Elbrin? Really?
Cuz, the way I see it no resolution was getting popular and you just decided to hop along for the ride.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Then vote Science...
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin I liked your other avi a lot better. Your current one makes me cry ;~;
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Titus, why are you TRing Spiffeh again?
Cuz I really, really do not like 245
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Titus I wouldn't be surprised if I am, but I seriously don't like the None wagon. I think I'ma talk more time to sort the people who are voting None in a bit.
-Nebby

pedit: tbh I never played with spliff before.

[Akane and Nebby]

Titus I trust you.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm staying in the bag and will talk to Akane about the subject of Science.
UNVOTE:
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I wanna know why are you against wonder planning in public, Vecna. It lowers the possibility of two players picking the same wonder imo

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

I wanna know why are you against wonder planning in public, Vecna. It lowers the possibility of two players picking the same wonder imo

- Akane

Cause it's a roadmap for scum to plan kills/blocks if they have em

Can there be a way to ensure each member picks a different wonder without scum knowing? Cos if everyone suddenly decided to pick the same wonder, only one person would get it and the rest of us will be stuck as vanilla and that won't benefit town either.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: None

- Akane

P.S: No one pick the wonder we picked, okay? It has our stamp on it.

P.P.S: Yes, but we want this one in particular.

[Akane and Nebby]

Sorry, Drixx.....

- Akane

p-edit: We already chosen a wonder.

[Akane and Nebby]

I discussed this with Nebby and she agrees with me. We both don't want to allow this number priority stuff to screw us over.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

We chose in the group of {Mausoleum, Hanging gardens} so no one else pick from that grouping, okay?

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

We chose in the group of {Mausoleum, Hanging gardens} so no one else pick from that grouping, okay?

- Akane

This is the sort of information you shouldnt out, unless we come up with a proper plan. And we should get at least a few other unlikely nightkills on that Hanging gardens imo.

And risk someone else taking our dream wonder via priority stuff? No thank you

- Akane and Nebby

P.S: Yes, this is a double signature, because we both feel this way

p-edit: But we want a wonder of this era, specifically, which can't be built later per mod info.... Or don't you even know that? Well, you just awoke the Kraken and the Kraken will keep anyone else from building within those two wonders.

[Akane and Nebby]

I'll let Nebby convince you to let us have it then

- Akane

p-edit: Modern era doesn't have a neighborizer......

[Akane and Nebby]

Besides, you just advised everyone to pick wonders which match their playstyle. Well, neighborizer matches our playstyle more than anything else.

[Akane and Nebby]

Is no one gonna point out that the {X, Y} thing is a terrible plan that still gives scum a 50% chance of hitting the PR they want to kill, and a chance to try again for 100% the next night?

Stop announcing PRs. And you also can't select two and say 'no one else take them'. That guarantees one won't get picked. And tells the scum you're either a doctor or a neighbourizer. They'll nightkill EITHER.
Just pick with your playstyle and if you miss out, try again the next day with higher priority for you.

This IS our playstyle, and if we try the next day, we lose it. >.>

[Akane and Nebby]

Fro99er

why don't we just like... pick the roles we like...

There are 21 players and 5 roles available, I doubt anything important will fall through the cracks. If we turn this into a numbers game it makes poe for claims SO easy a few days down the line.

Pedit I agree with the above.

>Says this
>Tries to prevent us from taking the role we like

Seems legit.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

Nobody, because we won't have that role due to priority not favoring us because of you peeps.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

But what if we don't get the role that fits our playstyle? Should both of us twiddle our thumbs because we didn't get the role that fits it? Or maybe you want scum to luck out on priority system and the entirety of town to become vanilla?

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't, and that's the point. I don't want someone gettng a higher priority for this. Leave it to us, everyone else can disperse between other four wonders. *uses a puppy dog eyes technique*

[Akane and Nebby]

Come on, DEO. You remember that game where people were chosen to create roles for other peeps? The one where we submitted Friendly Neighbor Neighborizer? You know how much I love neighborhoods.....

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

*Akane curls up in a ball* You just don't get it, do you? >.>

[Akane and Nebby]

I will have a neighborhood one way or another, because I am terrible without it and my reads are out of whack, hence I need neighborhood to catch scum. You know this too. You want me to give you scum? Then let me have someone to tell me what to do who isn't scum themselves and you shall have it.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

I will have a neighborhood one way or another, because I am terrible without it and my reads are out of whack, hence I need neighborhood to catch scum. You know this too. You want me to give you scum? Then let me have someone to tell me what to do who isn't scum themselves and you shall have it.

- Akane

Isn't that the point of being in a hydra? You have private discussion with confirmed town for the entire game.

Yes, but several heads think better than two.

[Akane and Nebby]

The Hanging Gardens

Each night, you may target a player to protect from a single killing action.

The Pyramids

If you die, no information will be released along with your flip. You will become a treestump and may continue posting in the main thread. You will be dead for all other purposes.

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.

Stonehenge

Each night, you may target a player. If you are killed during the night, that player's alignment will be immediately publicly revealed.

Statue of Zeus

Each night, target a player. The first time a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.

The Great Lighthouse

(Available only to non-town players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

If you are going to make a plan that is hard to fuck with, do it randomly. This is the list of who builds what.

Nobody claims.

Tomorrow we get another list. We assign the same groups to the town PRs.

Nobody claims.

By day3, we either have actionable intelligence, or we start finding out which scum took the scum wonders.

Anything else, aside from regular playing, is not a good idea

Gardens

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)
Fro99er
Nero Cain
Yuri

Pyramids

beeboy
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)
Leonshade
Elbirn

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus

Creature
Drixx
Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)
Lil Uzi Vert

Stonehenge

Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
ooba
Maxous

Statue of Zeus

PeregrineV
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)
Albert B. Rampage

Pick whatever
Spiffeh

Not adhering to this.

Drixx, my biggest TR, wants Pyramids. I am not drafting that.

People should draft what matches their skillset.

And this is what I have been asking the entire time: what happens if we don't get the thing which matches or skillset? Twiddle thumbs?

And guess what I got instead of an answer? Posturing that it doesn't matter if a player doesn't get what matches their skillset. My skillset is Mausoleum, are you saying that three other people who want it have the same sort of skillset? Not everyone is cut for neighborizer.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

NOT THE MAUSOLEUM. NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WON'T BE DUPLICATED.

Like, are you peeps intentionally trying to annoy me. Well, you are succeeding. Nebby, please come in before this devolves into screaming festa.

- Akane

[Akane and Nebby]

And this is what I have been asking the entire time: what happens if we don't get the thing which matches or skillset? Twiddle thumbs?

And guess what I got instead of an answer? Posturing that it doesn't matter if a player doesn't get what matches their skillset. My skillset is Mausoleum, are you saying that three other people who want it have the same sort of skillset? Not everyone is cut for neighborizer.

I would love for you to post your mafia resume that statiscally proves you are better in a given role.

And if you can't scumhunt unless you can neighborize, you should say so now, since it will make day1 much easier.

Suikoden. The glorious game, that was.

p-edit: No, unless you give me a solid reason to.

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby got out of the bag cuz they went home early cuz they felt sick.
Titus, I understand why you want the nieghberhoods.
Ya know that starting a chain won't be possible, right?

Also the way me and Akane feel about the Hanging Gardens is that it's our 2nd choice and that we're okay if we didn't get it, but we really want Mausolem.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Who cares? I want this one. I don't want more complex or game-solving or unique. I want this one.

[Akane and Nebby]

If it wasn't clear, when I get the chance Yuri and Uzi slot get pushes.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Still wondering why Yuri felt she needed justification to vote Science
~Maria

It's because they're scum.
Duh
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh no, I let 2 of my scumreads know I scumread them.
What
Will
I
Ever
Do???????????
Tragic.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh finally I can start playing the game.
VOTE: Uzi

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: A bunch of Uzi Quotes

@mod If Arts is chosen, will a vote/lynch mechanic still be available during MYLO/LYLO?

Why does it seem like you're thinking so far ahead?

Sciences just leads to distractions. Gives scum an excuse to look like they're doing something.

@Mod: Could you make Akane and Nebby clearly state who posted what?

Why would you claim?

LUV your read on us?

Probably not scum if Ali has been the only head to post so far.

LUV why?

I've played with scum Mala before. That's all I'll say for now.

@PV: It's the only power that makes sense for today and doesn't suck. The others are too much of a gamble.

@DEO: I didn't really like his suggestion and the semantics game he was playing early on.

Kyouko, when you get on, vote None!

29 is a question that leads nowhere.
38 is shit reasoning for why science shouldn't be picked
95 is a really scummy way of trying to get us to sign. Especially considering who's piloting the hydra.
165 is him asking a question to just look busy
192 implies he's scumreading us becuase he can't figure out who is posting
196 is a read that has no depth to it.
209 is Uzi dodging the question of who he scumreads.
321 is Uzi specificly talking to Kyouko which is just strange considering other people haven't posted.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Random vote on Nero doesn't help

You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

Yes. You are right.

If you were able to assign current wonders to current players, who would you give what role?

Hanging Gardens: beeboy
The Pyramids: N/A at this time
Mausoleum of Halicarnassus: Frog
Stonehegde: Creature/Frog/The DEO/Vecna
Zeus: Frog/Vecna

Why did you assign the wonders to these people like you did?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.

Oh look, more evasion.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Random vote on Nero doesn't help

You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.

-Nebby

Unexplained vote then.
w/e. Semantics.
You know what I mean

DEO's and Maria's votes are unexplained along with Uzi's. Why aren't you scumreading them?
And ya know what, let's play a little game.
No, I don't know what you mean, please explain it to me.

I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.

Oh look, more evasion.

-Nebby

Yeah I'm evading because me talking about that list is just going to lead us back to setup and mechanic talk.

Talk to me about why you voted None yet calling my reasoning for not wanting to vote Sciences shit. Talk to me about how asking the mod for you 2 to sign your posts with your actually names is scummy or even implies I'm scum reading your slot. Talk to me about how a meta read has no depth.

You assigned certain people to that list for a reason and I want to know why you want those certain people having those certain wonders.

I voted None because both me and Akane agree with Vecna's points, and we want to start pushing our scumreads.
That's gutpings.
The problem with Meta is that you're using it as an excuse to give a shallow read.

Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby

I've been town hunting. When I'm saying probably not scum I usually mean null or town.

YOU JUST SAID LET'S START SCUMHUNTING!

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Sup nerds and Alisae and Vecna

Excellent, I've awoken the first morning to 23 pages. I'll just be reading.
Might not catch up til much later tonight, I have a short shift at work I'll be starting in a few hours.

GIT BULLIED KID
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm glad you agree with Vecna's points but that still doesn't explain why you have an issue with my reasoning for not voting Sciences.

The issue here is that it's bad and lazy. It just looks like you're saying stuff.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm not. I literally don't care to see what Wonders are coming up and I don't know why anyone else would. All it will do is get us in to a +15 page discussion on the pros and cons of each and why someone is either scum or town for liking one more than the other.

Few things.
A. Didn't you say you knew better wonders were coming up?
B. What is wrong with discussion on why someone is scum or town for liking one wonder more then the other?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I want math to explain how that is a scumslip.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The main thing that gives me pause about Yuri!scum is Maxous.

At least of those two is definitely scum.

I agree!
I think we're going to be friends Frogger

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I want math to explain how that is a scumslip.
-Nebby

Why would Town have a "need" of having things only go to a certain point?

Why would Town "drop it" there?

Why would if Town coaching be phrased like that?

I do not see two or one townies do this.

This is scum trying to control the situation because the "need" has been met.
~~Math

I'll talk to Akane about it.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Spiffeh, going by that, wouldn't it be better for scum!Nero to not post at all?
Like, some people DID get away with that.

With that said I do agree with you and I also like the fact that you're poking Nero right now.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

I was about to mention this, but then you beat me to it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max

Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
~Maria

Fake read like I thought.

I don't think your scum though.

Mother fucker do you want me to put my vote back on you cause it wasn't fucking fake
~Maria

You can after you sheep me on Leon

Works for me
VOTE: Leon

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Naaaaaaaaaaaah.
You get added to my lynchpool for that shit.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Jesus, Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Uzi, Sondam

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

oooo scary what's next you gonna vote me?
~Maria

My name is Nebby. I evolve into a fucking LION
Hear me rawr

Rawr
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Yuri.
-Nebby

Fixed.

And you're voting Leon...
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Uzi

I'd vote Uzi.

Why?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The pool of very acceptable lynches:
Yuri.
-Nebby

Fixed.

And you're voting Leon...
-Nebby

Yeah because he's my strongest scum read.

Wouldn't have you added him to the pool of "Acceptable lynches" then?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm null on Nero. I really liked his 453.

I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max

Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
~Maria

Fake read like I thought.

I don't think your scum though.

I didn't like these.

Because?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Though the Ali head just randomly having a scum read on me in prob scum.

Discrediting my read as random probs makes you scum.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Vecna I'll trust your gut on LUV.
Plus it's not like I'm getting anywhere with him.
VOTE: Maxous

[Akane and Nebby]

You're welcome!
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Though the Ali head just randomly having a scum read on me in prob scum.

Discrediting my read as random probs makes you scum.

-Nebby

So where have you talked about me before?

Right now.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh yeah did I forget to say that beeboy is now an acceptable lynch?
Cuz they are.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh yeah did I forget to say that beeboy is now an acceptable lynch?
Cuz they are.
-Nebby

Is there anyone that you don't want to lynch?

For sure!
Frogger, DEO, Spif, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I suggest nobody else tries to take the gardens from AnN unless you feel like you do very well hunting with neighborhoods. Doing so will possibly mess up your priority for future builds.

We want Mausolem not Gardens, but I really don't like this post.
It's like saying "Don't take Gardens from AnN, let them have it so we know who our NK is."

-Nebby

pedit: Cuz his new avi sucks.
But I guess I can add Elbrin in there. They did no harm in my book.

[Akane and Nebby]

So far none of my two other scumreads were voted, keep trying.

So you seriously need to talk instead of saying things.
If you have scumreads, stop sitting by the sidelines.
Push them.
Because that's what townies do.

-Nebby.

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby

Nebby still not explaining their "scumread" is p lame

I like the words that came out of Spif's mouth.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Creature what is your read on us?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Just reached page 23.. I missed the resolution voting..

I would have gone Arts > None > Science

Arts is an additional build (and excluding the LyLo considerations that Spiffeh brought up) - its an extra power. With the exception of roles like 'Governor that ends the day with no lynch', more power would have helped the town.

Drixx brings up the " closes the information gap" argument for Science. The additional info that Science brings to the table widens the informational gap since scum can plan better. The way I see it - Scum's game boils to effective bidding and passing from each of their members. And knowing what is coming up helps them 'pass' better. Town, with the exception of neighbourhood roles, has to plan in the open - giving even more information to scum.

You look like a really cool person!
You should talk to me about your reads when you finish playing catchup.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I read things

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I want Spif, Deo, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi, and Frogger to be my mason buddies.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh I forgot Drixx was in this game.
Why do you not like Vecna?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Okay Drixx looks cool for now I guess.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Hehe yeah I get that a lot.
MortFeld called me a fool a lot in Large Normal 200 but I caught scum and won the games hehe

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I AM A MIGHTY LION

HEAR ME RAWR.
RAWR.

I really don't like Garrybote pointing out the wifom there.
Like it sounds like scum trying to discredit more things.

-Nebby

pedit: There's something about his hop onto Spif here that I really do not like.

[Akane and Nebby]

Like it feels forced. It feels like he NEEDS to jump onto that.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Garrybote gimmie your reads.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Garrybote I like the Maxous wagon mroe atm.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Garrybote I like the Maxous wagon mroe atm.
-Nebby

But you just said I'm scum, why does that matter that you like a wagon

~G

Maxous is scum too!
So I'm voting them.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Why is Maxous scum? Why are you so sure they are scum over me that you won't vote someone you just said is scum.

~G

Random vote on Nero doesn't help

You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

children dont even develop emotions until they're around 10 years old

-Nebby
pedit: No...They're two different things...One is a statement, the other is a question...

[Akane and Nebby]

if our brains get too smart they will become self aware and take over our bodys

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

YO IS THAT THE MAN
THE MYTH
THE LEGEND
BAEREED?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Garrybote, your vote should be where your mouth is.

-Nebby
pedit: There you go.

[Akane and Nebby]

So garrybote/Maria.
You obviously scumread The Deo.
But you took so long to vote them.
What gives my dude?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

YO IS THAT THE MAN
THE MYTH
THE LEGEND
BAEREED?

-Nebby

ALIBAE!!! <3 IT IS INDEED

<3.
Now you're talking to me about the game.
What are your reads?

So garrybote/Maria.
You obviously scumread The Deo.
But you took so long to vote them.
What gives my dude?

How? I clearly just voted them. I didn't even scumread them until they slipped. At first I wanted more opinions on it, but no one spoke so i just voted them.

~G

Really? I was reading your interaction as if you scumread them.
If you just scumread them now then mybad.
-Nebby
pedit: also what Titus said.

[Akane and Nebby]

Well I'm speak about it now.
Is it a contradiction or a slip?
If it's a slip, how is it a slip?
-Nebby.

[Akane and Nebby]

Maria I think I got that, I'm still waiting for an answer to 905

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Titus...We're only less then like, 24 hours in the day.
Sure I agree, but give me time to interact with them atleast.
I want to see how they answer my question.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

OOOOOOH you're still catching up. Gotcha.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Well I'm speak about it now.
Is it a contradiction or a slip?
If it's a slip, how is it a slip?
-Nebby.

...

[Akane and Nebby]

Well I'm speak about it now.
Is it a contradiction or a slip?
If it's a slip, how is it a slip?
-Nebby.

...

...

[Akane and Nebby]

Well I'm speak about it now.
Is it a contradiction or a slip?
If it's a slip, how is it a slip?
-Nebby.

...

...

Who is this referring too? If it's us don't ask me I'd have to drag Gerry back on the thread
~Maria

At this point I don't care which one of you answers.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby why are you so hung up on that? gerry obviously called it a contradiction, and it could be called a 'scumslip' with the same definition. and he explained and underlined it back and forth. what are you looking for?

No...
Those are two different things...
A slip is where you say or refer to informationg you shouldn't know.
A contradiction is them sayone one thing and then saying the direct opposite.
Why do you have a problem with me pressing it?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Ok if you go by that definition, you already know the answer. So why are you asking?
And I don't have a problem so much as it looked weird to me and I wanna know why you care

Because I think they just scumtold but I want to get them to talk more just in case I misinterpreted.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nebby: the question still feels empty to me.

So does your push on Uzi because from what I remember, Uzi isn't the type to push his scumreads super hard.

Don't get into my head. You don't think I like I do.
Just because a question feels empty to you doesn't mean that I don't have a reason to ask it.
Plus I'm just asking for clearification on it.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A&N: leantown with issues

And these issues are?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I have a theory that Sondam and Yuri are scum together.

I see it being possible.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

It gives me a bad feeling, that you ask a question where the answer is obvious. If you see something that looks like they're scum, why try to be sure instead of just pressing it? If you're wrong, that will become apparent after the push.

I am pressing it and trying to be sure.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm literally in a convo with you rn about an issue, why are all your questions like this

Oh I thought you had OTHER concerns that actually involved you reading my ISO instead of misreping and discreditting all of my questions.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A&N no longer at leantown if that wasn't clear lmao.

Oh noes, scum doesn't townread me. What ever will I do?
Tragic.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Might as well leave this here.
VOTE: Sondam

Also Jesus, I don't think you're that good at reading me tbh.
With that said I agree with your read on Creature!

-Nebby

pedit: Okay maybe you are town.

[Akane and Nebby]

Jesus...That hurt ;~;
But talk to me about your Sondam.
What's your read on them.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Why are you so cruel?
Also why are they town?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nah it's cool. I like a discenting opinion.
Why you scumread me again?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm waving it off because honestly, I don't feel pressure.

Also whoever is planning to be neighborized or masons if we have them should get the day chat wonder. It cuts scum out from getting it and is useful to keep communication open during the day.

Jae are you building that wonder?

-Nebby?

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin why ya hide the vote in the spoilers

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm waving it off because honestly, I don't feel pressure.

Also whoever is planning to be neighborized or masons if we have them should get the day chat wonder. It cuts scum out from getting it and is useful to keep communication open during the day.

Jae are you building that wonder?

-Nebby?

Umm I haven't made any decisions on wonders yet. I want to check in with mastina on some thoughts first to check if I have good theories on synergies.

Why are you questioning who signed?

I'm not at all.
But the daytalk wonder does interest you, right?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play

That's not even me tho. Nebby = Ali
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Tho I know Akane does feel VERY strongly about getting that wonder.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Jae, you just scumclaimed.
Here's why.

The Great Lighthouse (Available only to

non-town

players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

How the fuck is a mason supposed to get it when it's only avalable to NON-TOWN PLAYERS!

Like, holy fucking shit Jae. Scum can't be denied something that's only for them.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Mausoleum of Halicarnassus Each night, you may select a player to form a neighborhood with. This neighborhood will last only the following day & night phase.

Let's also add that the neighborhood has built in day talk as well.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Happy Birthday Elbrin.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Building it and showing interest in it is one in the same Jae.
Plus I asked you 3 times dude!

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So, I thought you actually just didn't read it. Mostly because for Mausoleum, it states that the neighborhood has daytalk, but here are a few things that are scummy about this defence.
A. Tone - Feels like you're just attempting to brush it off as nothing.
B. Wording - I bolded the "Non-Town" part. You emphasized the "Factional" part. That's quite interesting, wouldn't you agree?

Sorry, but this dies.
VOTE: Notice

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A. -
B. That you aren't town.

Why would a neighbourhood even exist during the dayphase if it was locked? That just seems silly to me.

But the thing is I can read you. Right now I'm not getting the townvibes my dude.
But I'm gonna go to sleep. I think I need it imo.

-Nebby.

[Akane and Nebby]

Akane = who?

Malachite.

Also sure Titus.
VOTE: Sondam

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also lol town!Creature

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I know that but just stop. The non-town part was originally in italics which naturally forces people to draw their attention to it. There is no way you missed that.

So you're positing I came into this thread, as scum, saw it said "non-town", then thought "hey you know what would be an absolutely brilliant idea??? Trying to get town to build this for ??? reasons because Nahdia wouldn't OBVIOUSLY point out to them that it's a non-town wonder!"

Fuck off.

Not to mention the tone here screams town!BaeReed.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

PV wat r u reads?
Also I like Sondam's scumread on us. It's cute and adorable that my scumread is scumreading us.
It's also cute and adorable that they went from thinking that Deo is scum to null.
It's also cute that their voting a nullread instead of their scumreads.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

PV scumreads us! That makes me sad ;~;

Nah, talk to us about your scumread on me. I wanna hear wat chu gotta say.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also why do you scumread Elbrin and Drixx?
-Nebby

pedit: I just wanna hear what they have to say! Gawd.

[Akane and Nebby]

Mkay thanks for talkin to me
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm excited!

and naaaaah, I don't care about the omgus. It's cute that you decided to target my weakest point tho.
What I do care about is you originally calling The DEO's a contradiction then calling it a slip. Because THAT is a contradiction. (Refering to 891 and 899)

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

1175
What do you expect from me then?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

1196
I'll talk to Akane about it.
UNVOTE:

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also why do you scumread Elbrin and Drixx?
-Nebby

pedit: I just wanna hear what they have to say! Gawd.

Mkay thanks for talkin to me
-Nebby

Bad tone. And wanted to talk about the scumread on them, but there's no followup. Just 'thanks for talking to me'.

I'm excited!

and naaaaah, I don't care about the omgus. It's cute that you decided to target my weakest point tho.
What I do care about is you originally calling The DEO's a contradiction then calling it a slip. Because THAT is a contradiction. (Refering to 891 and 899)

-Nebby

More bad tone, trying to brush off the scumread. Not going to get into the differing definitions of slip and contradiction.

I'm literally in a convo with you rn about an issue, why are all your questions like this

Oh I thought you had OTHER concerns that actually involved you reading my ISO instead of misreping and discreditting all of my questions.

-Nebby

Is concerned with how I might be viewing their ISO. Expects me, their scumread, to apparently have a lot of good points relating to their ISO. Like they expect there to be something there, and are ignoring that we are currently in talks about an issue I have with their slot.

Yo. Is this all you got? Because it's embarrassing.
Consider this a declaration of war, as I will work on my push on you when I get home
VOTE: Yuri

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

People in this game need to be more willing to wagon people

VOTE: beeboy

Let's start one here

I'd join ya. But I got bigger fish to fry.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

People in this game need to be more willing to wagon people

VOTE: beeboy

Let's start one here

I'd join ya. But I got bigger fish to fry.

-Nebby

@Frog

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I think PV is town too

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm TRing Vecna, Elbrin, Frog, Spif, Nero, DEO, Notice, Creature, PV, Uzi, and Drixx

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Like I want those nerds to talk before we end the day.
I would also like to see more Drixx, don't get me wrong.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also the people that are voting me are cute because they aren't trying to pressure me or anything.
Hence why I don't care about their votes.

-Nebby
pedit: Glad we agree Creature!

[Akane and Nebby]

Frogger that's 6 not 5.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I think Akane still wants Mausoleum.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Drixx gimmie does reads plz.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

OH NERO!
THAT'S CUTE
AND ADORABLE
HOLD ON, LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHIN WHEN I GET HOME

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I almost got in trouble in class because I was reading the bussing stuff and I couldn't stop laughing.
I'm home now so...

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
Cuz Nero is trying to Meta me I think

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So where have you talked about me before?

[Akane and Nebby]

You don't need to lie man.

We're not friends and I barely know you.

I've seen town Uzi and I don't really agree with you

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

This counterwagon on me is hilarious.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.
Like I feel like scum is specifically avoid discussing them to save them for mislynches for later.
Also I'm waiting to say my piece on beeboy. Now is not the time nor the place.

-Nebby

Now, this is actually want I wanted to talk about. Nebby wants to flashwagon the people he thinks scum is saving for mislynches.

Rule 1 of playing scum: If someone is lurking, let them lurk and eat a mislynch later.
Creature said he was down for those too. Does that make him scum?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh Spiff I'm not particularly feeling a Beeboy lynch either.
If it was a DL lynch I'd settle for it but I MUCH rather have Yuri then Beeboy.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nah dude, never said they were town.
I said I want them to TALK more.
You're grasping onto straws if you think that's a slip.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And your "scumread" is just a shit attempt to fake a vanity vote and avoid everything else.

What's your problem with me attacking lurkers again?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So I'm scum for wanting to pressure lurkers.
Or do you think I slipped that they're town.
Because if so, here, have a bloc of text explaining why you're scum:
BaeReed was once told something by someone he respected along the lines of

I will ALWAYS make the point that pushing on fake slips is a scumtell, in every single game I ever play. Because it's been a very reliable tell for me. I'll let you in on a couple of my other tricks as well; being "excited" about the game when the general mood is depressed or uninterested to the point of wanting to abandon is a scumtell. Claiming an investigative PR and making a lot of content about who you're going to check the following night (especially framing it as an fos ie "For that I'm going to check YOU tonight") is a scumtell. Jumping on people for too quickly commenting on a nightkill is a scumtell. These are all things I will pretty much always points out when they happen, regardless of my alignment.

Scum love having a "justified" vote. Instinctively, they look for a vote where they can lean back on a "factual" basis. A "slip" is a perfect example. When you push on a slip, you're no longer making your own read, you're just saying A therefore B. There is no read, you're presenting it as a fact. And when the person you push flips town, you don't have to defend your "read" being wrong, you can just use that justification you built as a scape-goat. It's what scum subconsciously do ALL THE TIME. Yes, sometimes town will mistakenly think they've found a scumslip. Players like Mathblade are notorious for that kind of play. But as a general rule it's a scum tactic.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

At this point you're just going by Conf Bias Yuri because you're caught scum.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So you think I'm stupid enough to use one of my own scumtells against myself?
Really?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And my push on the BaeReed hydra was in my head (Let's push a "slip" something to see if I can catch oppertunistic scum).
I had a townread on BaeReed by the time I went to sleep

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And no.
I want lurkers.
To stop lurking.
And parttake in the discussion.
And not lurk.

I never said they were town.
Or scum.
They are NULL

-Nebby

pedit: No one did besides my hydra partner.

[Akane and Nebby]

It's like you need every little thing spelled out for you.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

It fits because that's what good scumplay looks like?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't see the scum motivation behind flashwagoning lurkers to get them to talk and say words.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I thought it was obvious.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Now you're argueing semantics instead of intent or faith or any of that.
It's cute.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Maxous you scumread me, yet you're putting like, no pressure on me.
Like what gives?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

You're not doing anything else besides putting a vote on us to put pressure on us.
Hell, you think my reads are shallow as fuck, but that's fake as fuck because you're not making any attempt to press my reads.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And that pool of people has been growing smaller.
Like seriously, have you even been paying attention to my progression?
And yes, I want to get lurkers in the discussion and talking. Is that a bad thing?

And you should explain why scum!me hops on the Beeboy wagon

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm excited!

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

ABR got any other reads besides scumreading me?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Then I must be really shitty scum now aren't I?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also I like how the Yuri wagon started to become a thing then immediately afterwards my wagon starts gaining momentum.
I also like how Beeboy's wagon was a counter to Yuri's wagon.
Like all of these counterwagons popping up whilethe main wagon stays really suggests to me that Yuri is scum.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: impeach

[Akane and Nebby]

Maxous that's a good vote!
Also Nero's x-mas tree gave me a good laugh.
Akane has a problem with it and I'm not surprised

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also lol Elbrin.
Beeboy really looks like a mislynch to me tbh

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Like tbh, reading his stuff he just seems like a really easy person to jump on.
AKA I think he's lynchbait.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Like his stuff is bad, don't get me wrong, but I just genuinely don't think it's coming from scum.
Like if anything I think he's probably really misunderstood.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin you've played with Tywin before.
Right now he just sorta reminds me of Tywin.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Alright Spiff, I'll go skim that ISO real quickly.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Holy shit the difference there IS like fucking night and day.
VOTE: Beeboy
nvm kill this now.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

btw this is where I'm at. Dunno about Akane.

{DEO, Frogger, Spif, Elbrin, Drixx, Creature}
{Uzi, Vecna, PV, Maxous}
{Notice}
{Kyouko, Pine Hydra, ooba}
{Jesus, Leon, ABR}
{Sondam}
{Yuri, Beeboy}

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Uzi I know some people think that but tbh I haven't really just sat down and look at Leon.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Beeboy put some actual pressure on me! ffs.
Like, everyone who is voting us is not really making an attempt to put pressure on us besides just voting us.
It's lazy as fuck.
-Nebby
pedit: that 180 tho...

[Akane and Nebby]

Beeboy you say that but the thing is that A. You aren't pressuring me on those reads.
B. Never said I wanted to go through with a lurker lynch rather just wanted to get them into the conversation.
C. I can give you games where I sheep major wagons all day long and do it as town. Go look at what Elbrin said about me

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Yuri
Can we go back to this now ffs?

Also Frogger it concerns me, don't get me wrong, but I want to know why because making something up out of nothing is baaaaaaad.
Spif why did you vote Kyouko?

Also Ceasar be more readable and direct and less confusing kay thanks.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Me by trying to analyze it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

That moment where school get's flooded and you get to leave early.
Fun

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Friendly reminder that Notice is still scum.

Lol

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The most compelling point in the case to me is that Yuri ends up voting A&N who was once one of his town reads for pretty shitty reasons, without really engaging with people he was supposedly scum reading like Creature or Maxous when there was a wealth of discussion about both of them.

And yeah there's a considerable lack of gamesolving and pretty much all of Yuri's content is the back and forth with A&N or defending themselves.

This

I am not here for Caesar's posting style and would really appreciate if they would post normally

Big words are hard

And this

Also if Aeronaut lurks the game out it's a scum claim and I will be tunneling that slot with reckless abandon.

And this

and this

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Vecna-reads

Towneads that I feel are almost certainly not faking it up:
LUV, PeregrineV,

Strong townreads of which I still feel could be faking it and be scum:
A&N, Frogger, DEO, Elbirn, Spiffeh

Group of nulls - im suspicious of anyone having strong townreads within this group
Leonshade, Creature, Ceasar, Sondam

The suspicious but not quite scumread group:
Albert, Maxous, Beeboy, Drixx, Ssbm, Ooba, Nero

Scumreads, would love to lynch:
NoticeMeSenpai, Yuri

Barring unforeseen devellopements, im gonna say now ill only want to lynch in the last 2 at this stage. Feel free to ask me for reasoning if you feel so inclined.

VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

Get the fuck back on Yuri

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

That moment where school get's flooded and you get to leave early.
Fun

-Nebby

Stay in school

But the fire department was called!

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

OMGAWD FROGGER LOL
and no not that I know of.
Which isn't much besides the lines of "School got flooded"

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I dont know. Refusing to read up is super-lame regardless.

Actually, I feel relatively ok with a read on Caesar. He's refusing comment on major wagons, trying to divide the townblock, and obscuring his play. That's a policy acceptable lynch if anyone he refuses to comment on flips scum since that is NOT his normal play.

Echo

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm just more confident in Yuri!scum than beeboy scum.

Echo

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

That was my stance on the Beeboy wagon around the time my own wagon was starting up.
Hell, the way I responded when Frogger asked me to join the Beeboy wagon way way back was "I have bigger fish to fry."

-Nebby