Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So if either of us could be lying knowing either of us could have fake claims ready, the point of asking is?

[Not_Mafia]

Could

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you so resistant to it?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

neighborhoods are potentially one of the greatest weapons when used by either alignment. Two town and you got yourself a town weapon but a town/scum and you're begging to be manipulated behind the scenes.

[Not_Mafia]

Yes, your point being?

[Leonshade]

I mean we basically know nothing about what YOU think. Give some content.

Does this look like Town talking to a scum read to you? Sir Cakez’s vote was on Aella at this point. Looks very much like “Be more Town” to a partner.

I can see where your other parts of your read on me come from but this is bogus. I have literally never seen scum perform a "psst psst be more town" kind of post in thread and I'm pretty sure that means you haven't either. It's just a bogus scumtell, like AtE.

This is true, the "coaching" tell is largely useless, I tried to use it early on after my return from hiatus yet never caught scum with it. Pre-flip associative tells don't work.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't fucking trust you, that's my point. Your start in the game was absolute shit and you pushed things that made not one iota of sense and you expect me to trust you.

No, that's fucking stupid.

[Not_Mafia]

I've called two partners by their interaction day 1, let me find the game

[Ælla Was Spine]

He's Not Mafia why wouldn't you trust him

[Not_Mafia]

What if I flavour claim first?

[eagerSnake]

Are you Greta or Handel?

[Ælla Was Spine]

Yeah

How do you guys feel about lynching MoI today

[eagerSnake]

I wouldn't feel too strongly either way.
If he flipped town I'd be shooting a wagoner though

[eagerSnake]

Btw guys Aella is town as fucj so get off that shit

[MagnaofIllusion]

Gin is the first townread I had, without checking I'm pretty sure I expressed it within my first few posts. Where have I claimed that I'm backing off because of Snake's meta? I started having doubts because I'm not sure the weird CC-gambit, more specifically bringing attention to it when no one noticed, doesn't make much sense for scum.

So you are saying you identified Gin pretty much immediately and haven’t had any reason at all to even think about that read?

Here is you said on the RS matter …

"Quite possibly" scum? I'm quite possibly scum every game, do you think my claim increases the chances of me being scum? No one has claimed that my claim makes me town (well, Vifam did, but that was about my decision to claim, not the thing I'm claiming), so it's not like you're refuting some false notion.

Of course I think it increases the chances you are scum. I would not have brought it up if I didn’t. Given TTH’s Mod history the way you claimed said knowledge slots to a similar style role. Is it damning? By no means. You aren’t my top scum read currently which is why I am not voting you. But that claim alone put you on my radar and made me look more closely at your posting in my re-read.

I didn't even realize town faction was called "loyal to Spyro" until you mentioned it.

So let me be clear on this – you read you Role PM closely enough to know that Spyro was confirmed to be in the game to you but not closely enough to notice the Town wincon which specificly states that Town is “Loyal to Spyro”? And likewise missed 2 completely?

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How is Cakez asking me to provide more content a scumtell? Gin asked the same thing of me, so did Snake. @MoI

- Vifam

Of course neither Snake or Gin were actively voting you (which is an indication of a scum-read) when they posted those interests like SirCakez was. Did you purposefully miss the nuance there?

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More likely scum has a list of fakeclaims with no knowledge of my flavour

So you think TTH would Mod a game that made it trivially easy to catch a member of the scum team through not making sure they could match flavor in a Neighborhood logically?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Here is you said on the RS matter …

Apparently I lost a paragraph in my last post … anyway here is what was supposed to be right after the above text …

Yesterday jumbled my scumreads, so that's it for my reads list right now. Gun to my head RS is still scum, but if people with meta are saying this is their usual playstyle, I need to take a closer look at the slot.

So this is the “transitioning” I talked about – saying “RS is still a scum read but other players have meta so I need to re-read”. I don’t personally give two shakes of a dragon’s tail of players (specifically Eager) say “I’ve played with both these people as Town and this is it”. That’s complete half-assed meta and nto worth me even factoring into my own reads.

[Ælla Was Spine]

I wouldn't feel too strongly either way.
If he flipped town I'd be shooting a wagoner though

His play feels off, like he's forcing a lot of what he's saying. I felt like this when he had that convo with E&A earlier and his read on Leon gives off a similar vibe.

[MagnaofIllusion]

His play feels off, like he's forcing a lot of what he's saying. I felt like this when he had that convo with E&A earlier and his read on Leon gives off a similar vibe.

Oh it "feels" off and is "forced".

Yeah, I'm very happy with my SirCakez / Aella reads as partners.

[eagerSnake]

Aella ain't scum get off that

[MagnaofIllusion]

Aella ain't scum get off that

Eager just because you are the claimed Vig doesn't mean I'm going to follow your reads like a little lost dragonwhelp. Ain't happening. You probably should come to grips with that sooner rather than later.

[eagerSnake]

Just saying he ain't scum and I advise to get off that

Your choice whether or not you listen to that

[SirCakez]

Can someone tell me the benefit of telling not Mafia my flavor in the neighborhood chat when I told him I won't use it unless I can use it as a masonry?

No. So specifically he’s asking you to spill flavor in the Neighborhood despite his “Down with Hoods” stance in the actual thread?

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I can see where your other parts of your read on me come from but this is bogus. I have literally never seen scum perform a "psst psst be more town" kind of post in thread and I'm pretty sure that means you haven't either. It's just a bogus scumtell, like AtE.

So you just want to shuffle to the side the fact that you were not approaching Aella in that post like a Town player would approach an actual scum-read? Ok.

???
Asking a scumread to give something to better evaluate them on isn't town behavior? TIL

Yeah

How do you guys feel about lynching MoI today

It would be a total tossup

[Ælla Was Spine]

His play feels off, like he's forcing a lot of what he's saying. I felt like this when he had that convo with E&A earlier and his read on Leon gives off a similar vibe.

Oh it "feels" off and is "forced".

Yeah, I'm very happy with my SirCakez / Aella reads as partners.

Is that the only reason you scumread me? Honestly "If Cakez flip scum Aella is scum" based off that short exchange we had is a pretty weak argument

[Ælla Was Spine]

Also I don't see how Cakez voting me changes anything, I don't see how him asking for more content can't come from town. I really don't understand your point with that one

[Leonshade]

Gin is the first townread I had, without checking I'm pretty sure I expressed it within my first few posts. Where have I claimed that I'm backing off because of Snake's meta? I started having doubts because I'm not sure the weird CC-gambit, more specifically bringing attention to it when no one noticed, doesn't make much sense for scum.

So you are saying you identified Gin pretty much immediately and haven’t had any reason at all to even think about that read?

Here is you said on the RS matter …

Yes. Do you find that hard to believe?

I assume you meant to add a quote here? P-edit: You did.

"Quite possibly" scum? I'm quite possibly scum every game, do you think my claim increases the chances of me being scum? No one has claimed that my claim makes me town (well, Vifam did, but that was about my decision to claim, not the thing I'm claiming), so it's not like you're refuting some false notion.

Of course I think it increases the chances you are scum. I would not have brought it up if I didn’t. Given TTH’s Mod history the way you claimed said knowledge slots to a similar style role. Is it damning? By no means. You aren’t my top scum read currently which is why I am not voting you. But that claim alone put you on my radar and made me look more closely at your posting in my re-read.

Hmm, okay then.

I didn't even realize town faction was called "loyal to Spyro" until you mentioned it.

So let me be clear on this – you read you Role PM closely enough to know that Spyro was confirmed to be in the game to you but not closely enough to notice the Town wincon which specificly states that Town is “Loyal to Spyro”? And likewise missed 2 completely?

One is part of my role, the other is part of the wincon which is usually generic. I forgot because it's not important information, I'm sure I'm not the only one. Same with post 2.