Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

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confirming

will catch up tomorrow @ work.

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VOTE: RC


He should have had @ least 3 hard scumreads that he's pushed insanely strong by now.

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I read JarJarDrinks' post in a different tone but I'll wait for him to confirm.

Not sure what ur trying to confirm but my post was RVS and a jab @ RCs play.

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Trans, are u seriously townreading RC?

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JarJar, does my tonal perception need to be reconfigured?

IDK, what tone did u read my post in?

pedit: ok ur fine then

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I have no idea what is happening but I guess it's RVS so I'll just vote someone.

VOTE: Akarin

Scummy post

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Vifam puts the breaks on the mattblack train... was it going too fast for you?

Yup noticed this. Would have liked him to acknowledge what he was doing. Was kinda shady.

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Pretty sure Transcend always does early TRs like that. It's NAI

Thanks for that meta defense - I probably wasn't going to dig up Transcend's town and scum games.

The RVS wagon on you wasn't any fun. You didn't even blink! What a badass Didn't you at least want to warn us how close to L-1 you were? I would have raged - what if scum had a double voter?

good observation also

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The RVS wagon on you wasn't any fun. You didn't even blink! What a badass Didn't you at least want to warn us how close to L-1 you were? I would have raged - what if scum had a double voter?

Whaaat? If scum had a double voter, and they seriously hammered me there they would by lynched tomorrow. 1 townie for 1 scum is a good trade imo. The thought of scum having a double voter didn't even cross my mind because I don't think anyone would be stupid enough to do it this early into day 1.

Huh? The double voter doesn't have to be the hammerer. And even if he was, he wouldn't get autolynched the next day cause we wouldn't know that he was the double voter.

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I have no idea what is happening but I guess it's RVS so I'll just vote someone.

VOTE: Akarin

VOTE: Rauthedir

Oh, you beat me to it.
Dayum

Don't like this. Sounds like Alisae wants to make sure the town knows he's not sheeping.

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like 145 and 146 were made @ the same exact minute. Seems unlikely that he made the first post w/o knowing vifam had voted rauth.

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Grendel kinda hit on it in 157. It's very LAMIST. Like you're making sure the town knows that you're just doing what townies are supposed to do.

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still catching up but:

So far Keysar feels town


RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

This is such a shitty post. Townread on obvtown. And a "they both can't be scum" read.

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Well I'm not caught up but he's obvtown to me so far.

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Which means I expect Keysor to show up soon to hardcore question me about my read of him.

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@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?

RC sandbags his town games so it's harder to catch him as scum.

But he brings up a good point about ur reaction to his claim. I feel like you believed it way too easily.

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RC is kind of annoying

Is this ur first time playing w/ him? He's being downright pleasant this game.

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great opening post from coopsheep

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Why do you not want to lynch Gerry? He seems a perfectly fine lynch option.

I like Gerry

Seems weird u'd make this post then:

RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

Like why not just say you think it's TvT?

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VOTE: Grendel

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I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

I didn't @ first either. That's what raised my eyebrow about Gerrys response. He immediately believed it and was just like "well ur reads are wrong".

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JarJar, could you also explain your vote on RC?

It was there from RVS.

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@Jar can you explain why Nau is obvious town? I really dont see it rn

???

Only person I called obvtown was keysor. Rau is actually kinda scummy to me.

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I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

I didn't @ first either. That's what raised my eyebrow about Gerrys response. He immediately believed it and was just like "well ur reads are wrong".

AND YOU JUMPED ON A WAGON TO PUT IT AT L-2 ON SOMEONE WHO NO CASE HAS BEEN PROVIDED AGAINST. MAKES SENSE.

I was asked to join the wagon and 2 people I'm townreading are currently on him. Seemed like a fine place for a vote.

As for Gerry, there's 1 thing he did that I felt was scummy. Not everyone plays like you and deathtunnels the first person they scumread on day 1.

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Ah okay, i dont really find that scummy at all. Jar what's scummy about that?

U mean the post from Rau I FOSed?

I already explained to him:

Grendel kinda hit on it in 157. It's very LAMIST. Like you're making sure the town knows that you're just doing what townies are supposed to do.

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Gerry, when U thought I called Rau town, U said u don't really see it. Then when I explained that I found him scummy, u said you don't find him scummy.

Are you trying to say that I shouldn't have a read on Rau @ all?

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@Jar can you explain why Nau is obvious town? I really dont see it rn

Ah okay, i dont really find that scummy at all. Jar what's scummy about that?

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Like I get that the second post was referring to something specific but it still feels like you're just arguing any point on Rau.

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Yes, Jar. That's literally the game of Mafia. Discussing and arguing reads. I was asking what was scummy about it

U leaning in any direction on Rau?

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Gerry is mighty scummy i admit

Anything else Trans? You're much less involved in this game than in any other game I've seen u in.

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Sure! I noted people getting all excited to apply newb tells to him, while failing to note that a newb tell is alignment neutral. They would even say things like 'he's either newb town, or newb scum due to X' while Rauth was actively claiming to be newb - which is a bit like saying I have a sheep for an avatar. Sure, it's true - but it's of no benefit to figuring out my alignment, so why bother bringing it up? I was pointing out that people were doing IIoA because they were saying things tht might look like scumhunting - but which are assuredly not.

Kinda disagree w/ this. Claiming to be a noob is something that can be AI. I'm sure u've heard the term "playing the noob card" as a scum tactic?

I don't think you can "play the sheep-avatar card".

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I'm probably voting Gerry since I already had a mild suspicion on his slot.

What do you mean by "already" ? Like you suspected him before RC started to push him? If so, what were u suspicious about?

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Not to mention that there has been zero resistance to my wagon.

This isn't really true.

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Enlighten me behind the genius of Coopsheep's opening.

The thing about Rauth and vifam not mentioning the cop claim @ all in their accessment of RC v Gerry was a great point that nobody else had thought to bring up.

I also liked him calling out how Vifam said he didn't want to lynch gerry. Vif has since said he wasn't scumreading gerry but I also didn't read it that way.

Rest of his post had a bunch of reads I mostly agreed w/.

I think the only thing I'm not on the same page w/ coopsheep is that I lean scum on Rauth.

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Yeah but like Grendal said on this page it's weird how he points out Grendal made a good point about Rau, but goes on to vote him without a word

Scum can make good points.

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So you didn't jump on the Grendel wagon because you were scumreading him? You only jumped on to appeal to the two people you were townreading? I don't see how this is coming from a town mindset at all.

I didn't "only jump on him to appeal" to anyone. The combination of the following is why I voted for him:

- coopsheep asked me to. Since I townread him, I figured he had reason he wanted pressure on the slot.

- Keyser (who is also a townread) also was voting for Grendel. So 2 of my townreads see something scummy there.

- I checked the votecount and there was a decent wagon forming on him. Which means it would be some good pressure. Wagons like that are great for seeing how people react to it.

- I read his ISO and there was nothing in it that looked like it couldn't come from scum.

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I have no idea what is happening but I guess it's RVS so I'll just vote someone.

VOTE: Akarin

Scummy post

No, your reply is the actually definition of scummy. Where's your vote?

I pointed out his post was scummy. That doesn't mean I automatically vote him. I pointed out other scummy posts as well.

Where are the attempts to dig?

What else can I really say about that post? I explained to him why I thought it was scummy.

Do you not care why he thinks Gerry is scum and RC is town?

Sure I care.

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@JarJar - what's your read on mattblackguy?

Probably null. Was scumleaning earlier but his recent barrage of posts seemed ok.

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VOTE: gerryoat

That is L-1

Gerry should claim.

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@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

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VOTE: RC

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Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.


pedit: cool vote him then

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Bc he bluffed

This is not indicative of scum or town

Sheesh

GTFO w/ that shit. Town aint fakeclaiming cop cause a real cop could counter and get him mislynched AND reveal the actual cop.

This is Mafia 101. Don't make things complicated.

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RC's claim was never that serious

Dude it was a claim. People acknowledged it as a claim. He never retracted it. If he's town he HAS to know how bad it is.

not to mention: HE'S STILL CLAIMING COP TODAY.


pedit: see

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have you figured it out yet?

Yeah. Ur scum and making shit up to not get lynched.

Am I close?

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Vifam's hammer doesn't make any sense from a townie's perspective. Vifam said he didn't think Gerry was scum, and that he didn't want to lynch Gerry because "I like him". Doesn't make sense to hammer him before he even gets a chance to claim then.

This is all true. RC is still the lynch today.

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Can you show me Vifam being brazen scum in other games? Because if you can't, then I don't see the value of the case.

I can show you RC fakeclaiming cop as scum in other games.

What's your take on Transcend's contributions to the game thus far?

I think they suck.

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Lol he claims BP cause if he claims a cop role and doesn't get lynched today, he can explain why he wasn't night killed.

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Not to mention: HE HAS ONE SINGLE VOTE ON HIM RIGHT NOW.

If he was truly trying to bait a night kill, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE CLAIM BP RIGHT NOW?

seriously, someone explain that to me.

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Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

That makes' no sense. It's not if they try to kill you

twice

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If you're town and keep up the "some type of cop" charade and you don't get lynched, then there's a pretty good chance you bait a kill. Like that's supposedly the whole purpose of your fakeclaim in the first place. Getting me to "calm the fuck down" is a ridiculous reason.

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Thanks. I'm allergic to peanuts. You just killed me.

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I'm out for the evening. I trust Keyser to restore sanity.

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I mean there's still value in wasting a nightkill. But if JJD is going to flip his shit at me I might as well come clean and try to get town on the same page.

I don't know how you can think getting "town on the same page" is more valuable than potentially wasting a nightkill. Like you'd have to have a pretty strong townread on me to even consider it. And even if u do, it's still probably not worth it.

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There are 3 players I will NOT be voting today:

RadiantCowbells
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U were who I was counting on key.

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I have no idea what is happening but I guess it's RVS so I'll just vote someone.

VOTE: Akarin

Scummy post

No, your reply is the actually definition of scummy. Where's your vote?

I pointed out his post was scummy. That doesn't mean I automatically vote him. I pointed out other scummy posts as well.

Where are the attempts to dig?

What else can I really say about that post? I explained to him why I thought it was scummy.

Do you not care why he thinks Gerry is scum and RC is town?

Sure I care.

Well my thing is, why? Just saying it's scummy without backing it up is pointless and arguably will help him in the long run if he's scum. He'll know that whatever he did, said, or how he said something isn't ok and possibly will be able to adjust and blend in better.

I really don't like last part of this reply. Does it sound sarcastic to anyone else?

It's not pointless. I'm putting in on record that I found a post scummy. That's like normal mafia play.

And it's not sarcasm. I'm saying I care but didn't feel the need to post about it.

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Matt's a mislynch.

WTF how can you be so sure of Matt AND RC??

Like I might agree that matt is a mislynch. But that's cause I scumread RC.

Like @ least RC is voting for matt. Cause if RC actualy is town, it make's complete sense that he's scumreading Matt.

Cause like look @ this first post of the day from Matt:

VOTE: Vifam

RC, why didn't you reveal it was just a reaction test, and you weren't actually the cop yesterday?

It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.

RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

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Question JJD: if you can conceive of either of our slots being town and the either scum, then why can't you conceive of both of our slots being town?

Like if either one of our interactions could have been TvS there's no reason why they couldn't have both been and the whole situation being TvT.

I mean I don't think it's impossible for you both to be town. I just think it's ridiculous that transcend can rule BOTH of you out as scum.

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also I'm not ruling out scum/scum. It's possible that first post was to try to get heat off you and then when he saw that people weren't convinced by my case, he decided he could bus you w/ little risk of you getting wagoned.

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I don't think it's fair to say that people are ignoring him. Two of his points are;

1. RC fake claims cop as scum.
2. RC's "fake" claim is countered by the Gerry flip.

I know I and at least one other person addressed #2 noting that it wasn't a direct counter claim in any way.
I know at least one person addressed #1 noting it is within RC's town meta to fakeclaim cop just as much as within his scum meta - making the play maybe bad, but not a good alignment tell.

What other points of JarJar's do you find good that people are ignoring?
What about the above equates to ignoring?
I'll agree that people aren't agreeing with him - is that what you meant to say? If so, what about his concerns do you find valid in the face of the counter arguments offered against it?

Here's another pretty big point I made:

Spoiler:

Not to mention: HE HAS ONE SINGLE VOTE ON HIM RIGHT NOW.

If he was truly trying to bait a night kill, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE CLAIM BP RIGHT NOW?

seriously, someone explain that to me.

Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

That makes' no sense. It's not if they try to kill you

twice

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If you're town and keep up the "some type of cop" charade and you don't get lynched, then there's a pretty good chance you bait a kill. Like that's supposedly the whole purpose of your fakeclaim in the first place. Getting me to "calm the fuck down" is a ridiculous reason.

ANd I agree that people are mostly disagreeing, not ignoring.

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FTR the day 1 deathtunnel was because I was trying to act like investigative RC who got outed and expected to die and needed to lynch his target at all costs.

Not sure I've played in any games w/ you (town or scum) where you didn't day 1 deathtunnel.

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JJD I am town please just stop.

No.

I'm not spamming. Coopsheep listed the reasons I'm scumreading you and he left an important one out.

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I promise you you sitting there and pushing one me makes me play a ridiculous amount worse.

this sounds ATE and makes me want to push more.

I'm doing my catchup and am gonna post my thoughts. If by the time I'm all caught up, I don't think there's any real chance you're getting lynched today (which as of 3 pages ago, seems to be the case), I'll resign myself to the fact that you're gonna live @ least 1 more day and will start trying to figure out who my 2nd lynch choice for today is.

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Why did you felt the need to put it on record?

I already answered this: Cause that's how mafia is played.

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Jjd and rc is tvt

TvT is something usually used to describe 2 people who are scumreading each other. I'm only pushing RC. This feels like a misrep of what's happening in the game.

Not to mention the fact that you've already said that you townread us both. Which makes this post pointless.

And you ignored what I said about how you townreading both RC and Matt makes no sense. Feel like responding?

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Still think Transcend is very scummy.

Yeah. Especially how he ignored that post of mine after going on and on about how he wanted someone to case matt:

Sorta

What's the case on matt tho

Is there no actual case on the dude

Unless I'm given a case that could negate my theory then i probably won't waver my read.

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Unless I'm given a case that could negate my theory then i probably won't waver my read.

Lol, here's his theory:

I feel it's mostly just gut like i really can't explain this one, but everything about this guy screams "mislynch!"

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VOTE: Transcend

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Anybody around?

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Ok, I feel the need to come clean. I mislead the town earlier.

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I'm not really allergic to peanuts. I just don't like them.

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It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.

RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

What does this even mean? You're scumreading RC, but if RC is town, Matt is definitely scum, even though you're townreading Matt? And you have a problem with Transcend suspecting scum Matt but town RC, but your argument here is basically an argument for scum Matt, town RC?

Why should Town RC imply scum Matt?

The statement from Matt is scummy regardless. I've already said that the statement could come from scum matt even if RC is scum as well. But it makes way more sense for scum matt to make it about town RC.

And as I said later, It's not impossible for for them both to be town. My statement was directed @ trans and how terrible it was for him to be townreading the both of them.

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Which means you think that if RC is town, Matt should be more likely than average to be scum.

But nothing you've said explains that. Why do you think that?

I feel like I have. The gist is:

Town matt should see Gerry flipping cop and think to himself "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. Might be scum"

Scum matt on the otherhand knows that RC is town (assumming they're not both scum) so he immediately jumps to the conclusion "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. He must have been reaction testing"

This is made worse by the fact that matt pushed RC scum soon after.

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Yes, that's an argument for scum Matt.

If RC flips scum, does that make Matt's response is townier?

Yes, a little bit. Though I've already said I wont completely rule out a matt/RC scumteam.

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Rauths reads list is pretty terrible. Everyone except trans and RC are some variation of null. Reeks of scum trying to keep his options open.

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Town matt should see Gerry flipping cop and think to himself "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. Might be scum"

Scum matt on the otherhand knows that RC is town (assumming they're not both scum) so he immediately jumps to the conclusion "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. He must have been reaction testing"

RC said day 1 that he revealed his role to get a reaction out of Gerry (Isnt this a reaction test?). So I asked that question because I wanted to know why didn't he say he wasn't really a cop after he got the reaction out of him. I wasn't assuming RC was town when I asked that question, but I only had one vote and Vifam's hammer was the scummiest thing in the game. I still stand by my vote on Vifam and still think he should be lynched today.

Scum matt on the otherhand knows that RC is town (assumming they're not both scum) so he immediately jumps to the conclusion "Hmm RC is caught in a fakeclaim. He must have been reaction testing"

I did it as a reaction test because being RC I do not expect to live the night anyway unless I get docced so I don't see a big problem with me being outed.
You can like it or not like it but I caught scum.

RC, why didn't you reveal it was just a reaction test, and you weren't actually the cop yesterday?

Actually that's a decent explanation. Not really scumreading matt anymore.

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I'm quite happy you're at L-1 and would support a hammer intent also.

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Yes, that's an argument for scum Matt.

If RC flips scum, does that make Matt's response is townier?

Yes, a little bit.

Why?

You keep hedging and repeating yourself without really explaining your logic.

I've explained it plenty. You're not paying enough attention to what I'm saying if you don't understand it.

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JJD may actually be scum ftr.

Remind me again why you decided to claim BP?

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It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.


@Keysor, I'll do a full readslist tomorrow. RC is surely scum though and by far my strongest scumread. It upsets me that ur not on my side w/ this one as everything about his claim and play here mirrors the game where you and I led a lynch on scum-RC.

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It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.


@Keysor, I'll do a full readslist tomorrow. RC is surely scum though and by far my strongest scumread. It upsets me that ur not on my side w/ this one as everything about his claim and play here mirrors the game where you and I led a lynch on scum-RC.

You mean the game where I intentionally scumclaimed because FA and Pirate Mollie's meltdowns had made me no longer play the game?

For someone that intentionally scumclaimed, you sure tried hard as F to not get lynched.

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I feel like you have buddied up to me too easy this game. Am I really that obv-town to you?

Yup. U and coopsheep are by far my top 2 TRs.

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Unless I'm given a case that could negate my theory then i probably won't waver my read.

What is your theory?

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UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

By way of summary what was the nature of your scum-read of Transcend?

Already kinda answered this

It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.

So considering his play was anti-town and I know he's capable of much better, I lean scum on him.

So basically my vote was mainly to attempt to motivate him to start posting real content and if he didn't, I would have been happy to lynch him.

Looks like the replacement is already redeeming the slot w/ a vote on RC.


VOTE: RC

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OK people. If you have any respect for RCs play you can't townread him.

HE CLAIMED BP WITH ONE VOTE ON HIM.

Read that sentence a few times. He's not a noob people. He knows damn well that you just don't do that.


And that's not even taking into account the fact that he's admitted to fakeclaiming cop, hardpushed town on day 1, etc...

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Like seriously, if you were coaching a noob that rolled town BP, what would be the first piece of advice you'd tell them?

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Keyser

- Town. Even if I didn't have meta w/ him, I'd say he's playing an incredibly pro-town game. Meta seals it. This is his town play.

Cooperative Sheep

- Town. Doesn't have that many posts but the ones that do are full of good content. Makes alot of good points that I agree w/ and is solidly scumhunting.

mattblackguy

- townlean. He had a good explaination for what I thought was scummy and he's pushing RC.

Nancy

- townlean. Her posts so far have been good enough to negate my bad feelings about transcend.

Lil Uzi Vert

- Null. Need more content. I've had trouble reading Uzi in the past and he hasn't posted nearly enough for me to get any type of real read

Grendel

- null slightly scummy. Grendel doesn't seem to say or do much. There's nothing overtly scummy but I get the impression he's being extra carefull w/ his posts.

Akarin

- slight scumlean. I feel like alot of her questions directed @ me are designed to get me to scumread Matt and/or townread RC. Agree w/ her vif and rauth reads though.

Rautherdir

- scum. Just playing the noob card way too hard. So many LAMIST posts.

Vifam

- Scum. Have already posted about how he tried to imply that one of RC/Gerry was scum and then backtracked. The derphammer is self-explanatorily bad.

RadiantCowbells

- Obvious Scum. Reasons already posted.

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I would actually say that make Rauth very unlikely to be RCs partner. I feel like giving a scumbuddy a hard townread is advanced scum strategy which doesn't fit for Rauth. Noob-scum wants to distance/avoid teammates.

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Coops point about the VT claim from Nancy is actually pretty good now that I think about it. She should have @ least seen if she even needed to claim @ that point.

Like why just show up and claim if you're unaware of the current goin-ons?

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Not doing anything more of note until there's no votes on me or I have already been hammered.

Sounds like the exact same thing u were policy lynching transcend for.

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@JarJar

Spoiler:

Keyser

- Town. Even if I didn't have meta w/ him, I'd say he's playing an incredibly pro-town game. Meta seals it. This is his town play.

Cooperative Sheep

- Town. Doesn't have that many posts but the ones that do are full of good content. Makes alot of good points that I agree w/ and is solidly scumhunting.

mattblackguy

- townlean. He had a good explaination for what I thought was scummy and he's pushing RC.

Nancy

- townlean. Her posts so far have been good enough to negate my bad feelings about transcend.

Lil Uzi Vert

- Null. Need more content. I've had trouble reading Uzi in the past and he hasn't posted nearly enough for me to get any type of real read

Grendel

- null slightly scummy. Grendel doesn't seem to say or do much. There's nothing overtly scummy but I get the impression he's being extra carefull w/ his posts.

Akarin

- slight scumlean. I feel like alot of her questions directed @ me are designed to get me to scumread Matt and/or townread RC. Agree w/ her vif and rauth reads though.

Rautherdir

- scum. Just playing the noob card way too hard. So many LAMIST posts.

Vifam

- Scum. Have already posted about how he tried to imply that one of RC/Gerry was scum and then backtracked. The derphammer is self-explanatorily bad.

RadiantCowbells

- Obvious Scum. Reasons already posted.

How would your reads transition depending on what RC flipped?

Like "If RC is town then x", "If RC scum then y"?

I'll reevaluate if that happens. Not gonna think to much about a scenario that I think is highly unlikely.

[JarJarDrinks]

Actually that point about JJD feels really out of place. Him dumbing down the game to 'OMG KEYSTER HE'S DOING THE SAME THING AS HE DID IN 192' feels really discordant from what I know about him as a player.
Like it feels like a scum talking point. 'YO HE DID THIS SAME THING 192!!!' It doesn't feel as much like a real thought process given that there's no depth to it nor comparison to the situation in the other game?
I'm getting the impression that the decision to push on me wasn't made based on evidence it's just a thing he has that he has to push as best as he can.

This is all kinda true.

It seemed like the wagon on you had about a zero percent chance of happening until recently so I didn't put much effort into casing you. Now that there's a decent wagon forming on you and lynch seems to be within reaching distance, expect a much better case. Though I probably wont get too in depth until Monday since weekends aren't great for me.

[JarJarDrinks]

it was a shit move and I realize it was a shit move but I am known to make shit moves

when I'm getting pushed on alot.

I was the only person voting for you.

[JarJarDrinks]

No it's nothing to do with that. It's not the fact that he's tunneling it's the fact that he's reducing my play to simple bullet points to scumread me for.

As I said, expect much better and detailed case now that an RC-Lynch is looking possible for today.

[JarJarDrinks]

Uhh. This is going to sound weird to hear but the phrase 'cut of your jib' is a scumtell of an insane magnitude for some reason.

I'm not the one that said it. But coopsheep is town also.

[JarJarDrinks]

Do you really think it makes more sense for scum to (fake) claim earlier then town?

Yes much. He had already been partially countered by the flip. The longer he rides the cop claim, the worse it looks for him when he eventually comes clean.

[JarJarDrinks]

Do you really think it makes more sense for scum to (fake) claim earlier then town?

Yes much. He had already been partially countered by the flip. The longer he rides the cop claim, the worse it looks for him when he eventually comes clean.

...And this doesn't apply as reasoning for town to do the same thing why?

As town, you just keep the shitty cop claim. You never mention the BP thing no matter what.

Yeah I get that it's a shitty situation either way. But ur only in that situation because of the fake cop claim on day 1 which is something else that town just doesn't do.

[JarJarDrinks]

I am gonna pull a Yume and just lurk until people stop pushing on my slot.

Not doing anything more of note until there's no votes on me or I have already been hammered.

also this is obviously ATE bullshit. Evidence by the fact that soon after this post he started doing things of note.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:

[JarJarDrinks]

UGH. Are you fucking kidding me.

He was NEVER going to be lynched. I was pushing that fucking wagon for reactions. Whatever.

How the F was THAT case a reaction test?

[JarJarDrinks]

What's the case against me again? I scumread RCs terrible day 1 and day 2 play?

As I said earlier

RC sandbags his town games so it's harder to catch him as scum.

Sorry but reading bad play as scummy isn't scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD
LUV
Vifam
MBG

Terrible reads. Vifam is the only person in this list that I'd consider lynching today.

[JarJarDrinks]

What was the issue w/ me on Gerrys mislynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD
LUV
Vifam
MBG

Terrible reads. Vifam is the only person in this list that I'd consider lynching today.

You're not even town-reading LUV

I'm not scumreading him.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think Nancy is scum. Her reaction test story is garbage. She was certainly gonna let the lynch happen.

So then rather than have a town-confirmed RC at her throat, she makes up the story and strokes his ego a bit ("I totally knew you were so obv town bro") cause we all know he eats that shit up.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Nancy

Will be able to give this game adequate attention on Monday.

[JarJarDrinks]

VT

Please give me until Monday. Even if I don't get people to move their votes off me, I'd like to reread stuff and give an updated reads list.

[JarJarDrinks]

I mean they're probs both scum

just terrible. Post game lets see who does better. My top 2 rn are Nanc/Vif.

[JarJarDrinks]

no ur top 2 was me. i'm town.

Thanks to a greencheck. Not ur play. You should be smart enough to not scumread me for scumreading your terrible play.

[JarJarDrinks]

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

[JarJarDrinks]

Please don't lynch me till I get a full day @ work tomorrow to get reads and stuff out.

Even if there' no chance u guys change ur mind. I'd like to @ least leave town w/ my full thoughts.

[JarJarDrinks]

I intend to lynch you in the next few hours unless someone gives me a good reason to wait.

There's really nothing you have to lose by waiting a day. Lynch me anyway and if I flip scum, u can just ignore everything I have to say.

[JarJarDrinks]

yo frog, Why u trying to end the day so fast? I already said to just give me till tomorrow.

[JarJarDrinks]

I will HAPPILY 1v1 Jar

You don't get to use the "Why would I 1v1 w/ JJ when I know he 's gonna flip town" excuse after my flip ok?

[JarJarDrinks]

yo frog, Why u trying to end the day so fast? I already said to just give me till tomorrow.

You're here right now

Yeah for a bit and I'll talk/answer questions while I'm here. But I'll be able to dive through ISOs @ my desk @ work tomorrow which I haven't had a chance to do since rauth's claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

Oh cool, never played w/ scum frogger before.

@Frog, if I flip town, who gets lynched tomorow?

IF

LMAO

Jar is scum

Are you implying that I'm scum cause I said "IF" because a townie would say "WHEN"???

Yeah that's a nice tell you got there frog

Answer my question please. Who's scum If I'm town?

[JarJarDrinks]

I am extremely confident in Jar jar. I honestly have never been more confident in a scum read. And by association, Matt

Yeah, this is almost a good enough reason alone to scumread you. You can't possibly be that confident your read cause I am in fact town.

You're overselling it to be able to play the "too scummy to be scum" card later.

NOBODY BUY THAT SHIT. AFter I flip, anyone that doesn't flashlynch frog is scumclaiming.

[JarJarDrinks]

Jar Jar is one of the better town players I have ever played with.

I can give links.

This is not town Jar Jar. He doesn't scum read people for bullshit, non-alignment indicative reasons.

Appreciate the compliments. Everything you're saying except "This is not town Jar Jar" is true. I don't scumread for bullshit NAI reasons and I didn't do that this game. My reasons were good even if one of them happens to be wrong.

[JarJarDrinks]

RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.

It town RC + town Matt makes no sense, why didn't Jar Jar go vote Matt after RC got confirmed town?

GEE I WONDER WHY

Because matt gave a good explanation for what I thought was scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

I like this Nancy person

[JarJarDrinks]

Town Jar

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63443
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64645

You can't just post game links w/ no explanation. WHat's different about my play in those games?

In fact, the one game is the game I referenced several times now and is a huge reason for my RC scumread cause he did the exact same claim nonsense there.

[JarJarDrinks]

Answer my question jar Jar

Why aren't you voting me?

At the time, cause I was posting my catch up.

Now, cause it seems to be annoying to you.

He's here now. He could give his thoughts now

I need to go to bed. I'm here later than I should be cause I figured I'd engage w/ u a little bit.

I'm leaving now and I'll give full thoughts tomorrow. Sorry but I'm a weekday mafia player.

[JarJarDrinks]

@JarJar whats your read on Grendal now

Not as scummy as Gerry/Rauth/You

Town town town

It's town/town/scum. And Gerry was obviously scummy enough to get lynched. Rauth was being scumread untll the claim. Reading scummy play isn't scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

Did you all forget to to read Gerrys role?

He flipped cop, RC claimed cop. This isn't rocket science.

Yes the hammer was horribly/sleazy/unacceptable/etc... But we have a roleclaim countered by a flip. We lynch RC today.

Town!Jar doesn't play this bad

You're being ridiculous. This is EXACTLY what RC's done before as scum and got lynched for it.

Also I'm trying to keep YOUR SLOT from being lynched here. Are you giving me scum point for that?

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD flip is going to be extremely telling about how on-point our reads are right now. If it flips green we'll have to seriously reassess.

Translation:

Frog is my scumpartner and he's obviously gonna be lynch tomorrow if we lynch JJD today. So let me plant some seeds now about why I'm not gonna want to lynch him tomorrow.

[JarJarDrinks]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why are you possessed w/ me voting for you frog.

I'm voting for the scum right now that actually has someone else voting for them. If I move to you, that makes it so both my scumreads have 1 vote instead of 1 of my scumreads having 2.

Please explain why you'd rather frog vs JJD be competing wagons instead of nancy vs JJD.

[JarJarDrinks]

Plus you even twisted the point from "something Cop" to just cop, rather conveniently

The game where RC did this was also not a direct counter. Was 2 different types of cop.

Answer this: Is it rare for there to be 2 different town-aligned cop roles in the same game?

^^^this is such a BS point to excuse himself for his shallow read on RC

No. You're also leaving out the fact that he admitted his cop claim was a lie and then claimed BP early in the day with only 1 vote on him. He even admitted it was a mistake.

The read wasn't shallow.

Also I feel like you're purposefully trying to make me case RC again.

[JarJarDrinks]

The reason I want you to vote for me is because it's me v you today

Cool story bro. vote stays on nancy.

[JarJarDrinks]

I have plenty more to say.

[JarJarDrinks]

Uhh. This is going to sound weird to hear but the phrase 'cut of your jib' is a scumtell of an insane magnitude for some reason.

And yeah the way JarJar was bashing and discrediting Transcend doesn't sit well with me.

VOTE: JarJarBinks

Your time is up, dark one.

Go back to this RC

I'm not the one that used the 'cut of your jib' line.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like Nancys "Frog/JJD scum theater" is such a transparent attempt to buy frog some towncred after I flip.

Just remember this people:

I will auto self vote tomorrow if JJD flips town

Don't wifom that shit. That's the whole point of him scumreading me this hard. Then after he flips red, make sure nancy goes next.

[JarJarDrinks]

WHy are u in such a rush?

[JarJarDrinks]

Seriously people. Read 1164 and tell me that you actually believe that her scumread on RC is a reaction test.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah matt's probably the last scum. It looks like frog is trying to do exactly what nancy did.

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah matt's probably the last scum. It looks like frog is trying to do exactly what nancy did.

And what's that?

a transparent attempt to buy frog some towncred after I flip.

You say Matt is scum because of associations w/ me. Then when I flip green, you can abandon that read.

It's not as transparent as nancys was though. I'm not totally sure about Matt. But I'm damn sure about you and nancy.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: JarJar

I think jjd is town

Why

Im not really getting that vibe tbh

VOTE: gerryoat

That is L-1

Gerry should claim.

VOTE: Gerry

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Matt

... I thought we were lynching JJD today.

He's nervous that I called out his bus.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Matt

... I thought we were lynching JJD today.

He's nervous that I called out his bus.

Can you link to the post?

1669 1677

[JarJarDrinks]

Where did I bus Nancy?

Never said u did. Nancy tried to bus you and then pretty much gave up on it after RC called her out.

[JarJarDrinks]

Scum theater imo.

{Fro99er, Grendel, JJD}

Maybe Sheep, but I'm doubtful. Maybe LUV, but I'm doubtful.

{Rauth, RC, Keyser}
{Akarin}
{Sheep, Vifam}
{LUV, matt}
{JJD, Grendel}

Now:

{Rauth, RC, Keyser}
{Akarin}
{matt, LUV}
{Sheep}
{JJD, Grendel, Fro99er}

Mainly rotating my scumleans up based on associatives so this is all pretty fluid still.

JJD flip is going to be extremely telling about how on-point our reads are right now. If it flips green we'll have to seriously reassess.

See how Nancy calls frog scum a bunch of times. But then is all "Well I guess if JJD flips town, I'll have to reassess". Completely transparent.

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD, can you update your reads list? I can't seem to find one from you since 1175.

Keyser/Cooperative Sheep - still obvtown to me

Rautherdir/RadiantCowbells - Obvtown based on claim. Rauth is basically confirmed cause there's no way that he stops RC from getting lynched if he's scum. If RC happened to roll GF then oh well, we probably lose. Scum/Scum is too conpiracy theory for me to entertain.


Frog/Nancy - Scum for reasons already stated



Last scum is in mattblackguy/Lil Uzi Vert/Akarin/Grendel. My main pick right now is Matt though frog is making me start to doubt they're on the same team. Will dig these guys more.

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD, can you update your reads list? I can't seem to find one from you since 1175.

Rautherdir/RadiantCowbells - Obvtown based on claim. Rauth is basically confirmed cause there's no way that he stops RC from getting lynched if he's scum. If RC happened to roll GF then oh well, we probably lose. Scum/Scum is too conpiracy theory for me to entertain.

Godfather isn't allowed in normal games.

Oh right, forgot that.

[JarJarDrinks]

He said "when" instead of "if". Must be legit.

[JarJarDrinks]

I do think frog/matt scumteam is impossible now.

Why would scumfrog derail a wagon on me to push a wagon on scummatt?

[JarJarDrinks]

JJD's thought processes had largely mirrored mine, but that was irrelevant to my real read.

How could that be irrelevent? If you have the same thoughts as someone else, you don't take that into account when reading them?

JJD's ISO is scummy

What specifically is scummy about it?

and his jump on the gerry wagon is scummy.

What specifically is scummy about it?

His push on RC was bad and his reaction to my push on RC was very bad.

It's only bad now that we know RC is town. Anyone that buys ur reaction test nonsense is terrible. You were sure as shit gonna let RC get lynched if rauth hadn't claimed.

Like seriously, how long were you planning on letting your "test" go on for?

[JarJarDrinks]

UGH. Are you fucking kidding me.

He was NEVER going to be lynched. I was pushing that fucking wagon for reactions. Whatever.

Grendel is scum to me right now. I don't see him genuinely trying to sort alignments in that whole exchange with RC. JJD is scum and one of LUV/matt are scum. Game is pretty much solved imo.

VOTE: JJD

This is scum frustrated that her well received, hard earned push on RC got stalled out.

[JarJarDrinks]

Which claim of mine do you believe hurt down or had serious potential to?

none. Your real claim is what almost got u lynched.

[JarJarDrinks]

Hell, if I hadn't been fake innod I may or may not have been lynched D2.

Still mad that I didn't get to case you. It was gonna be good.