Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Elsa

Other head is scum please help me bus thanks.

~Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Gin-n-Tonic

That's sketch.

[Elsa and Anna]

Elsa head

yeah I'm really with our vote

will check in after getting a some coffee

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

What made you say this? Can you provide a link because I'm looking at their view topics and after about 5 or so tries of the most current ended games I couldn't find this example.

I mean this is your claim here so I suspect that you can abide by the burden of proof here.

He does that pretty much every gamestart for reactions like these
-CK

Try hard ^

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back

pedit : Are you saying RC accusing their hydra partner as a joke and game starting with selfvote in RVS is scummy That much that you want Meta to reconsider?

nah

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Page 1 you post saying something cheeky, I think it's SCFTWR honestly

what about him accusing the other head of being scum is cheeky again?



#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'll show you why I think what I think in a simple hypothetical.

Say we go to post game and for the hypothetical your slot is indeed scum.

You go then to the first page and quote "Hey look I told ya'll she was scum but you didn't listen."
It's done to be sassy/cheeky.


Now, are you saying that it's scummy to ask for clarification on why your partner said that?

What in the fuck is the scum motivation in asking for CLARITY.

oh so you are intented to push for a policy lynch when someone starts the game selfvoting as town?

Do you do that a lot or is this something you just invented in this game?

asking for clarity would have been something like "I didn't like this. Do you do this type of shit game start a lot?" not that "OH this is obv scum for being cheeky" and "give me hardcore meta if they do that as scum!"

You did the second which feels indeed scum like try hard imo.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

You said the reason you find that scummy is that in post game - hypoteticlaly if we were scum we will laugh at you

So yeah thats the definition of suggesting a policy lynch. Isn't it?

and regarding the meta point I wanted to make a point. you asked to find hardcore meta for RC doing that. Thats the scummy part - The "as scum" was not related to my point at all >.>

Nice nitpicking though

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I actually wanted to say "give me hardcore meta if they do that

as town

"

Just hadn't my cup of coffee then >.>

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

We have like 2 games in this hydra?!

he has like - a lot of games and he starts each one differently. We have a long history together and him starting the game scum reading his hydra partner or me is very typical of him.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.

Theres way more info about elsa's alignement to be found by the content they produced than stupid rvs meta
-CK

why don't you give the meta?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Theres also the elephan in the room that Rc is a good player and believing anyone can have a correct read on his alignement by the first post in rvs is just not happening
-CK

I felt buddying here...

a really unsettling one tbh ...

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

white knighting is a strange choice of words as there is nothing against us for us to be white knighted from.

regardless it didn't feel good ...

VOTE: RagingSpammers

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ælla was a better Disney princess


-lycan

>.>

<.<

I am a queen ...

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Well don't say I'm doing stupid shit when I'm doing exactly what you tell me I should be doing instead. It's redundant.

lol not really, at the end of your lil discussion you re-ask about the meta thingy which is clearly irrelevant
-ck

The entirety of the discussion was about the meta, how did you expect it not to involve talking about the meta?

how did you initiate a discussion about meta without representing any meta yourself?

Or am I understanding this post wrong?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

am I misunderstanding* that post

Fuck it >.>

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

"the meta" was referring to talking about RC's apparent history of saying someone is her scum partner.

so why did you initiate this conversation without having any idea about RC meta in the first place?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

FA Tawlk to me plz.
-Ali

why does your second vote feel random?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Wait I just realized what ali stands for! Are you alisae?! :O

Are you stalking me or am I the one who is stalking you in games unconsciously?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

P-Edit: You mean initiate the conversation about why I voted you? You got me who has never played with you, Frozen Angel(?) and RC, or your hydra for that matter and you sign your posts as Elsa and Anna and I somehow have to figure all that out and research RC's meta?

I had literally no information about you two, that hydra, either of your meta's or who was even who. The only thing I COULD do is read the post for what I thought it was worth.

before reading anything else in your post yeah

Elsa is me : the frozen queen

Kindda famous in MS

Your the first one who ever asked

and Anna is Elsa's sister - In tis case RC (he always uses annie avi and I always uses Rylai avi though)

but sure thats fine I guess. any opther questions about our identities?

[Elsa and Anna]

This part stinks the most IMO. It's the fact that you discredit all possibility of being right before you have the chance to see if it's actually true or not. It's you saying "RC is so good she WOULD NEVER EVER EVER make a post that could even hint as scummy in the beginning of the game. I would NEVER consider the possibility and you're an idiot for thinking so."

viewtopic.php?p=6498806#p6498806

Post 29, SCFTWR. People can fuck up on RVS really easy, every post matters.

yeah every posts matters

I'm happy that there is someone on MS who is still actually trying to sort RC in a game beside me in games with him.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back

Also FA, why does this really feel like you're pushing something as fact moreso then just a read.
-Ali

pedit: I think the point that Cloudie was trying to get across was that Leon ignored your hydra but targeted ours.
That's something you're gonna have to talk to Cloudie about tho.

pedit2: I see you Gin.

Pedit3: I is Alisae FA and is it really stalking? I just like playing with you ;~;

pushing facts is the best way to get reads

Haven't you learned that from me yet? >.>

and that wasn't me pushing a fact it was just me trying to see if he has double standards from asking me about that meta or not.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Alrighty, well hi! I'm Gin, call me "Gin" or "friendly alcoholic."

hey Gin!

Why you wanted to know RC meta? because of RC making that post or because of alisae hydra reaction to it?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

radientphantom is not RC you ...

>.<

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

radientphantom is not RC you ...

>.<

#Elsa

i won't post >.< I post >.>

you failed ...



#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

OOOOH okay.
And what did you get out of your whole ordeal with Gin?
-Ali

that his RVs push was very likely sincere.

Now I have to see more stuff to say if it was town sincere or scum sincere

what have you got so far?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Is there a way to make it so my posts are always signed

- Vifam

That is something I might work on after making the alt/hydras accessible in main accounts.

before it its impossible - I'm afraid

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

No, I'm annoyed because so far you have shown
A. Arrogant play with your push on E&A
B. Asking people to explain obvious things.
C. You seem really difficult to work with because of your arrogance.

I can ask you why all day, does it get me anywhere?
No, not really.
-Ali

This is what I'm looking for, not blanket statements.

No matter what seems obvious, realize not everyone thinks exactly like you. You will always have one person scum read something for what another person town reads the same thing. The ability to explain what you think and how you came to that conclusion is paramount in the game of Mafia.

what did you get from this interaction after getting what you were looking for?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back

Can you point to a game where this has happened? - Specifically where scum attacked RC for starting the game in a similar manner.

they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?

And I actually doesn't believe attacking back to that shit is AI on itself, I was just trying to interact with him by accusing him like that

why does verifying that meta matter actually?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Well Esla, a refusal to cooperate and lots of tap dancing around actually putting in work when asked for why they believe what they do.

I'll be able to explain it more when I can not phone post but there is just something that feels off about the slot as a whole and the way Alisae has been treating me makes me uncomfortable. Alisae is very emotional but a happy go lucky bouncy type of person and it just feels like her posting tone didn't represent the Alisae I've come to familiarize myself with(context in that every game so far she has apparently been town).

I don't know alisae to make that kindda call atm, introduce me to his playing style from your pov please

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

You know that in like about 50 games on MS you are the only one who ever mislynched me as town and RC is the only one who ever lynched me when I was scum?

[and yeah I got lynched twice in 50 games on MS.]

But yeah Me/Elsa and my Frozen Icy things are kindda famous around here on MS. You are to shy to be in the community a lot

and stop calling me game thrower. Your play in that game was absoloute trash and I was just testing your unlynchable shit as my masonary suggested. You policy lynched me in lylo cause you were angry at me criticizing your play instead of playing - I was really tired and it was a busy regular wednsday so yeah

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I mean even in that game my reads were perfectly on spot - You were the one who sucked there so ...

what are you exactly whinning about?

pedit: this was @massive

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

WHAT

ARE YOU ALL JEALOUS?

I AM A CELEBRITY AROUND HERE >.>

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

All hail the mighty celebrity Frozen Angel \o/ \o/ \o/

~Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?

If this is all true it should be trivial for you to find a single instance of scum jumping on RC for "Teehee" posting in RVS. You are the one who justified it as a means to catch scum. Don't then turn around and tell others to "go find it".

Uhh the list is quite considerable. And why shouldn't she require people using shit meta versus us to support their own meta claims?

~Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

Let’s play spot the contradiction. Ten points to whoever buzzes in first.

yeah lol

I wanted to make conversation with him so I wanted it be like RC was doing that siriously to hunt scum - But I really can't understand RC joking and seriousness about some stuff tbh

but yeah ...

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

they sure did start so many games like that. Its as much as work for you to find such game as it is for me. we have So many games together and he like me has so many games so yeah why don't you go and start looking at some games RVS's?

If this is all true it should be trivial for you to find a single instance of scum jumping on RC for "Teehee" posting in RVS. You are the one who justified it as a means to catch scum. Don't then turn around and tell others to "go find it".

I didn't justify it for no shit

I was saying it was so NAI for someone to try hard like that and I was testing if he has double standards in pushing for getting the meta or not.

Its not really hard to find one will go search for one - one moment

*still not sure why is that relevant data*

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't do it in this case either explicitly as a reaction test or as a joke. Sort of somewhere in the middle. Mostly a joke but if someone responds in a scummy way I will react to it.

That said most of my 'troll' RVS options are intended explicitly as reaction tests but in this case the reaction I was looking for was first and foremost my hydra partner's

[Elsa and Anna]

^~Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

I didn't say that town vs scum have a clear dichotomy in whether or not they attack. What I am saying is that scum do it in a certain way.
Scum very frequently either blow the proportionality of what I am doing out of the water (similar to it being called an actual scumclaim in this game) or claim an unreasonably strong townread on me for it (despite knowing better).
Town rarely scumread or townread it outright and usually put it as null with a few outliers scumreading or townreading it but there's some decently strong townreads but not often true scumreads coming from town for it.
That said there ARE often unreasonably strong scumreads on me coming out of RVS just as a by default being RC tax and that could be getting conflated with our initial post to get that scumclaim BS.
Which all basically comes down to saying that it's not about what they do, it's about how they do it; which is my approach to mafia as a whole

So now it was just fluffery and not anything meant to be taken seriously?

Maybe, but how exactly are you expecting FA to know the difference? Do you think I skyped or imed her 'HEY I AM GOING TO VOTE YOU RIGHT AWAY FOR REACTIONS'?

[Elsa and Anna]

Whether or not I specifically intended to scumhunt off of that the information that we received from it still stands. I legit don't understand why we're having this conversation.

[Elsa and Anna]

K I lied I can't find any games in that large ego But I'm sure they exist >.> - as I siad it will take exactly the same amount of effort for you to find a game like that

RC can you give them a game yourself?

RC always start RVS with a semi-joke thing like that to see reactions to it.

I was just using it to make a conversation with Gin

how is that confusing for you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm pretty sure my RVS was the most self explanatory post in the RVS stage. First in spoilers it was labeled pre-game and then I said I RVS voted you because of your nom. What's the point in asking an essentially rhetorical question?

I was testing if you sincerely believe in the push you made or not.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

So now it was just fluffery and not anything meant to be taken seriously?

fluffery?!!!

it was serious

RC has that meta But Its not like 100% scum catcher and I beleive its NAI. I was making a conversation with Gin to see if they beleived the vote they put on us or were just trying hard scum by exaggerating my read on them

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Maybe, but how exactly are you expecting FA to know the difference? Do you think I skyped or imed her 'HEY I AM GOING TO VOTE YOU RIGHT AWAY FOR REACTIONS'?

You do know you are a hydra right? You are one slot and this "Well my other head didn't know what I was doing" is irrelevant. Do you not have a hydra PT? If not that's basic fail on both your parts. If you do that renders this question moot.

We like using skype and I didn't check it yet today.

The game just started - are you accusing us for hydra dissonency for RC's RVS and me following it up?

what is your point?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=66342

I started the game by saying I was going to refuse to scumhunt for reactions, got some super scummy reactions from Postie and BlueYoshi, and led 3 consecutive lynches on scum.
I'm actually not in RVS that often because I replace into so many games. There's also the just finished 1866 where I scumread Firebringer refusing to vote to draw with me and was correct.

You do know you are a hydra right? You are one slot and this "Well my other head didn't know what I was doing" is irrelevant. Do you not have a hydra PT? If not that's basic fail on both your parts. If you do that renders this question moot.

I will vote you if you continue to press this line of reasoning. WHO GIVES A FUCK WHY I WAS DOING SHIT IF WE GOT USEFUL REACTIONS FROM IT.
Was it originally intended as serious scumhunting? nah not really. Did we get a sketchy reaction that I wanted to press? yes so I voted them and FA pushed them for it.
That's what you call teamwork. And no we don't need a hydra PT because we have so many other ways to communicate but there's no reason for me to fill her in on the juicy deetz of selfvoting.

[Elsa and Anna]

I mean RC made a vote

It was obviouly a RVS vote - RC style

omeone reacted bad so he voted him

I pushed that line of thinking to see whats going on

What are you trying to accuse us of?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

that's someone*

My keyboard is shit >.>

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

What are you trying to accuse us of?

This is what it comes down to. What is the point that you are trying to make with regards to our interpreting my original intent with slightly varying degrees of seriousness?
Because if you can't come up with one and continue to press the line of reasoning as though it means something we will be voting you.
~Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

Like if it's a playstyle concern whereby you don't want us to be two heads doing two different things you don't need to worry and it should be pretty clear from any of our hydra history that we mesh extremely well.
But if you're genuinely trying to say that it's scummy that FA thought I was being more serious when Gin's reaction made me immediately turn the vote serious then I don't know what to tell you.
~Anna

Wait what the fuck Vifam is doing game related stuff something is seriously wrong here. Vifam did you roll Jester this game?

[Elsa and Anna]

nah; try harder next time

[Elsa and Anna]

that was Elsa ^

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

After Science Mafia I know you aren’t going to make the same mistake of running right at me Day 1 if you are scum. So I can’t even take this bluster as alignment indicative from your head.

MOI you woefully misunderstand my scum game. I would gladly charge into if we were scum. In fact nightkilling you wouldn't be enough I would make it a point to lynch you day 1 and then spend the rest of the game talking about how shitty your reads are and how funny I find it while I endgame town.
Sure, go talk with FA if you think she's the weaker link of the hydra. But she has an amazing record as both alignments as well so I think you're underestimating her
Oh, and for the record: I do and have always value my town game over my scum game and would never intentionally scum up my town play to aid my scum game.
I have played several scum games on secret alts and never once been even seriously suspected for scum, besides Fire and Ice and even in that game I was only suspected AFTER I altslipped. The river flows the exact opposite of the way that you think that it does.

[Elsa and Anna]

I am town fruit vendor I swear!

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

You get mislynched a lot D1 or something?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

You get

mislynched

a lot D1 or something?

#Elsa

No. But usually at least get an RVS vote or someone claiming I'm scum. Neither happened. Surprising. Felt left out.

How do you know it'd be a mislynch?

lane already picked it up but thats not what I said >.>

I asked if you have a meta of being hardly pushed and getting milynched early game or not?

if the answer is not this comment - out of nowhere - is so damn suspicious. why you ignored the whole game discussions to make a comment about how you are left out?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I want you to make your notes inside the game thread not in a notebook snake.

Good night!

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Wow this is an easy game.

VOTE: Sircakez

That's scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

We like using skype

Stop right there.
Skype is a terrible program for a few reasons:
A. Uses up a lot of memory
B. Very poor security. A lot of people get hacked via skype because it's very easy to get someone's IP and other things when you're just in a call with someone.

A) As long as you don't thrash your hard drive you're good
B) I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to live chat with someone online if you didn't have their IP. If this is a genuine concern you should probably look into using a VPN

B...That's not how that works...Atleast I don't think so but still it's not a safe program...
-Ali

Skype is a p2p chat massenegr so having security issues is pretty obvious fact and I agree its trash

I just see myself as a really traditional user lol

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Elsa and ana

I site 254-257

I can't see your citations.

254 : i saying you don't have a good read on us
255 : Not sure what is your point. Are you questioning RC town abilities?
256 : is not related to us
257 : where did he use meta exactly?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and yahoo messenger ...

.........

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Snakey do you think you are the most lynchbaity slot alive?
-Ali

I believe I am often seen falsely as lynch-bait, yes. This has always been my belief on the way people see me, which can easily be shown by a quick meta-dive of me. Where are you going with these questions? I feel like they are going nowhere, and I don't want to be rude, but, like I said earlier I don't want this thread flooded more than it already is (see posts 236-250) and I will begin to ignore your questions (at least for a time, until I have more substance to post besides just an answer to your question).

start posting the notes you talked about before

I want to see them

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I like to interact with you about your "opinionated and unjustifiable" reads

Hydra dissonence is a really easily fakable "towntell" for hydras yeah.

why taing the game out of RVS is sketchy to you?

I want to see the rest

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

The Magna-E&A interactions do interest me, and 149 seems like misrep. The hydra dissonance makes it a bit hard to read, but E&A seem to be saying that the RC-head made a joke, then both heads seriously pushed on Gin due to his reaction to it; but the FA-head wasn't sure whether RC's post was a joke or a reaction test. Magna's 149 casts it like the hydra claimed the entire thing was a joke, when that doesn't reasonably follow from the interactions with the hydra.

It was RVS! Random voting stage. A joke and a reaction test at the same time. such posts are mostly just interactions makers.

Why you think spammers are scum? what particular posts/behavior is pinging you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

{Leon}

[Elsa and Anna]

Flubber if you keep this up we are just gonna lynch you.

[Elsa and Anna]

Because you are being annoying and obnoxious and I think that you're a really bad player and I want to lynch you on policy anyway and you sitting here calling us scum will make me follow through.

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't care about them just being in the game but if they're going to sit there and call us scum then they are dying today.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Elsa and ana

I site 254-257

I can't see your citations.

254 : i saying you don't have a good read on us
255 : Not sure what is your point. Are you questioning RC town abilities?
256 : is not related to us
257 : where did he use meta exactly?

#Elsa

Agreed that I cited 254 errantly but your contributions to the beginning of the game weren't impressive at best

255 is me saying you're trying too hard to look town. btw, did you ever post conclusions from the reactions you got? I probably missed it

256 is me saying I think what lane has noticed about you makes you scummy

257 is me saying you use enough meta to be able to explain why this isn't typical town play from not mafia

I'm always trying to hard to look town

thats a part of what I should do as either alignment. whats your point deary?

I didn't teach anyone what scumhunting is and the point of that convesration was not to point out the games RC were doing that. Rc does RVS in different manner in evrey single game and he plays a lot ... >.> The point of my cnversation with gin was to question him to see if he really beleives RC's RVS makes us scum in his eyes or he is a try harding scum.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I like to interact with you about your "opinionated and unjustifiable" reads

Hydra dissonence is a really easily fakable "towntell" for hydras yeah.

why taing the game out of RVS is sketchy to you?

I want to see the rest

#Elsa

It was mostly the tone I felt when reading the post that was sketchy.

Why do you want to see the rest? Do you need help finding scum, do you need help reading me, or are you hoping I say something you can push on?

I want to see you posting content,

whats up with that rehotrical question? what gave you the impression that I'm going to push you based on promised and not yet outed reads of yours?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Flubber if you keep this up we are just gonna lynch you.

I actually just saw this

Why is my gripe worth a threat?

"Cause you suck and will eventually loose the game for town." translating RC's feelings about you

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't ever recall giving you advice.
And as for my reads, you were apart of this game, weren't you?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
You know I play like lynchbait.
You also know I can find tell the difference between scum pushing me and town pushing me.
-Ali

you play like a lynch bait?

that wasn't the impression I got in landmark and here so far. oO

what do you mean "lynch bait" ?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

It's okay for you to try hard but you give me shit for it...

no see I will try hard to evaluate people and to show I'm town.

A probably scum pushing RVS is trying hard to just be seen as their doing something : I think your not in this group after further evaluation

there is a very tiny line between the two groups

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

whats up with that rehotrical question?

what gave you the impression that I'm going to push you based on promised and not yet outed reads of yours?

engagement.

It feels like you're scum looking to latch onto something.

Hey RC I may be scum reading your hydra partner. What say you?

I asked you for your notes you assumed I'm going to either use them to scumread you. I said whats up with your reaction.

I do need your content to evaluate you. why was that questionable for you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and where are your notes?

those two notes you shared were just repeating what others said in game rather than originated notes which makes your reaction to me question like you have no notes at all and faked that to just lay low.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

You said you have notes

I asked you to share them

you shared two lines of them which was a perfect replica of what was already told by others

I asked you to share the rest of your notes

You asked are you trying to scumread me based on my reads

I said why your asking such rehotrical question and no I'm trying to intercating with you and asked you again about the rest of your notes

Then you accused me that I'm latching into something and I'm scum for it and you asked that to "engage" with me

Then I asked for you reads again

then you voted me

ok so why I made this tldr? to tell you kindly that this is your last chance to share the notes you said you have

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Honestly I went to open the notepad I had my notes in and it was fucking empty OK? I think my 23mo daughter and my domestic partner ended up opening it and somehow deleting my notes because they like to play in notepad to teach her numbers and letters. I'm slightly pissed about it and trying to forget about it.

I haven't gotten around to recreating my notes as they won't be as good as my initial reactions to the posts.

Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about it.

But you do seem like you're trying to latch onto shit.

So I was right about you not having any notes to share atm and I'm scummy to figure that out and to push you for them?

how many notes where in your notepad and you can't remember them?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ok NOW I feel better about Elsa, but that could be in part for feeling worse about eager here.

Eager, to make new notes. Honestly they should pop into your head and should be easy to remember considering you already made them once. I'm not reading as Elsa latching onto anything. At least not on a scummy way. I do the same shit.

I always think it's scummy when someone says they have something, but then all of a sudden they forgot to save or lost it all. And they've also flipped town before so just go make new notes.

My read on gin hasn't changed

My read on Elsa is changing

What about "your read on gin is not chnaging" is related to "your read on Elsa is chnaging"?

@eager may I ask you to give us a tldr of your current reads?

and this time make sure to post them here publicly not where your daughter practice letters and numbers

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

you posted them together so I was under impression you are trying to imply they are related somehow.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

N_M poked at it. E/A latched on.

I was the first one who was questioning it in 274. wasn't I?

pedit : You had deleted notes. all your reads are represented in your iso imo?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Its rude to ask questions in answer to questions

and I never vomit reads so this is my tldr :

MagnaofIllusion -> not leaning eaither way
Not_Mafia -> not leaning eaither way
Flubbernugget -> not leaning eaither way
SirCakez -> scummish for that tldr catchup - waiting to see them engage the game more
massive -> useless townish - preferably RC will sort this slot from our hydra and my read on them is better be ignored
ProHawk -> very slightly scummish for filler posting
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) -> slightly townish (for alisae head frustration)
Leonshade -> very slightly scummish (for holding too much middleground)
eagerSnake -> scum or really hardly trying to look scummish
lane0168 -> slightly townish for now
Ælla Was Spine -> very slightly townish (for now just for vifam head)
TheRealGin-N-Tonic -> townish

so yeah that's where I am atm.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I was the first one who tried engaging with you about both "I'm mislynchy" thing and the notes.

what is your point?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Vote me then scaredy cat

why should I?

are you scum claiming?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't like WIFOM

and I like to engage with my reads and vote when I feel I like to vote.

why are you deliberately trying to be scummy by not giving your reads? Are you trying to appear to scummy to be scum or some shit?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't really like giving more than a couple reads at a time this early on as all the reads are weak I feel like it helps scum manipulate

By the end of the day I will hope my reads are strong enough to state but they aren't right now

?!

that will help sum manipulate? what do you mean?!

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

ok

DayVig : eagerSnake

please don't cry in dead chat.

[Elsa and Anna]

You guys are garbage or scum? Huh?

what gave you the impression that I'm garbage?

I just shot scum.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

why I first the first reaction of you the "Lol" one I mean more genuine than the rest of your posts?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Scumreads are RS and Snake, in that order.

So Snakey is scummy for defending someone you think is scum?
Why can't Snakey just be defending someone who they think is town?
-Ali

where did leon imply that they are scumreading snake for their defense of you?

and what do you think about snake defense of you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

why I first the first reaction of you the "Lol" one I mean more genuine than the rest of your posts?

#Elsa

... What?

the first "first" is find ...

I mean his "Lol" post felt way more genuine than his "what" "are you guys scum or stupid" posts

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

This is funny because we actually have a dayvig shot

- Vifam

<3

[Elsa and Anna]

lolno

What are you suggesting; serial killer?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Seriously Gin.
Pretty sure he softed vig by now
You need me to point out the soft?
Really Gin? Cause it was obvious
Obvious as all fucking hell.

Come on Gin.
Can't you see that stuff?

VOTE: Snakey
-Ali

if it was obvious and you beleive it why you are now voting them after repeated white knighting you did in past pages?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Yeah Gin is town.
UNVOTE:
I was trying to see if he payed attention to what I was trying to do and if he was scum I think he would have latched onto Snakey at that point.
-Ali

>.>

what the fuck is this

explain this shitty logic again

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

My role PM confirms the existence of Spyro in this game.

you mean it confirms that flavor is town?

I don't know flavor but it seems main character

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: RagingSpammers

......

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

why the fuck would anyone notice that shit?

whats the fucking meaning of that test? what were you testing exactly?

why the fuck would not noticing it mean town?

are you mocking my sanity in this game?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

This is where I'm logging off and will let RC read the game >.>

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I think RS is town too

So far I'd be cool with lynching MoI/Elsa&A/Lane/massive/NotMafia

why I'm in your list? any particular concern?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

My role PM confirms the existence of Spyro in this game.

you mean it confirms that flavor is town?

I don't know flavor but it seems main character

#Elsa

The only thing I'm confirmed is that Spyro is in this game, so I know it's not a fakeclaim. If flavor is linked to alignment, it's town. Don't want to vote a D1 vig claim regardless.

P-edit: What's your flavor Spammers?

this ^

and answer : why you didn't claim it with your role claim?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I don't think E&A is town

cause you suck

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

you do too Elsa

I as a person yeah

I really suck

but as a player no. My records say otherwise

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

UNVOTE:

I want RC

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Thats totally cool by me

You will just remove a wifomy slot (too good to be true), confirm yourself and I will rest in peace knowing I'm in one less mafia game and colser to my retirement day

I'm zoe , town friendly neighbor (massenger) - you have the gun so you force people to claim.

shrugs!

show me your accuracy

I never misvigged in my past 50 games on MS and a lot of games out of it the only time I had investigative (a tracker) I got double guilties in row

I never got mislynched in a day beside lylo - and the honor was massive's. the only other time that I got lynched (and I was scum) RC used an RL tell. Thats the total summery of my lynch status.

Now. why in the fucking earth anyone as shit as you are dare to criticize my game play? I'm retirying for a good reason.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Well it's coming from the guy who outed someone who they thought was not a PR but actually was
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69588
And self-hammered as town.
-Ali

rip

who is this @ to?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

eager

come on

talk to me about your status

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I never lost a single scum game beside the one that I was lynched in and another one when I was a jester in a setup full of confirmed guilties!

As town - beside large theme games that I still have a great read ratio in them - I have way upper than 50% winrate.

the last time I had a vig, i lead a lynch on one scum nd shot the other that night to end the game N1. (and I did this both times I had vig variants)

you are a vig I think show your skill and we will compare our status post game

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

You threatened to shoot me

claiming was unnecessary?

You don't know what you have in your hands at all, do you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Eagersnake

Fuck you. get pled

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Eagersnake

Fuck you. get pled

UNVOTE:

Not on my watch

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I never policy lynched and I'm not going to do that in my last mafia games

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Eagersnake

Fuck you. get pled

Stop it please

That was Anna

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

anyway

I have to go for now, try to deal with angry RC till I return.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I never lost a single scum game beside the one that I was lynched in and another one when I was a jester in a setup full of confirmed guilties!

As town - beside large theme games that I still have a great read ratio in them - I have way upper than 50% winrate.

the last time I had a vig, i lead a lynch on one scum nd shot the other that night to end the game N1. (and I did this both times I had vig variants)

you are a vig I think show your skill and we will compare our status post game

#Elsa

I'm not perfect, neither are you. I've shot townies. I've lynched townies. I've been pocketed by scum (untrod tripod in blood in the streets mafia) which caused game loss, but I did nail scum the other scum d1 and n1. But usually, I am pretty good on my reads. Usually, I'm also pretty easy to read as town once I really start explaining my POV. But I am misread a lot at first. I've also never lost a scum game, but I think that's only because I make people underestimate me, as I'm actually quite obvscum imo.

I also don't like answering a bunch of questions when I'm town and being accused as scum because of it, esp when there's others like NM in the game doing fuck all. I see it like "damnit now I gotta answer all these fucking questions when what I really want to be doing is re-reading the game to find scum."

But, instead of dick measuring, I think it'd be best to work together to win. We still have plenty of days left until EOD, I don't think it was necessary for you to claim immediately just because I said I was going to shoot you. You could've just made me see you as town instead of claiming. But I feel like you probably feel the same way I feel as far as having to answer to bunch of bullshit as town

Just last thing before logging off. No you strated comparing game skills after me saying you suck and I gave you completly accurate statics. Its based on about 50 games on MS and around 40 games out of it on 2 different sites.

I was vig 3 times and never misshot.

and well not exactly. I never dodged any questions. Te point is you never asked one from me You concern about my slot was that I pushed you so yeah, You have the gun now, you treathened to vig I claimed. next time don't do that if you have still room for evaluation and your not expecting a claim

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: ProHawk

I think that's scum. What do you think E&A

I think I'm logging off imo

Prohawk is in my null scumleans.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

So Alisae feels way off and Cloud doesn't feel quite right so I'm going to put my vote down on

VOTE: RagingSpammers

I have never seen this little fluff from Alisae before.

[Elsa and Anna]

Also Ali is doing a lot a lot a lot of narrative spinning and that's not really a thing that I've seen from town him and is just scummy in general

[Elsa and Anna]

@MOI why you didn't mention my slot in your last post?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Why is ea pushing something as petty as notes and why is eagersnake saying anything other than "I've made plenty of posts in thread go away"

E/A completely dodged me asking what reactions they got from their reactions(tm) and proceded to insult me and not care that nobody agrees with said insult

"I just play like shit as town" isn't an excuse for this

what reaction test? The rvs one RC did?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and I insulted your play not your personality, sorryif you felt it was more general.

Don't know about RC though.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

and I'm playing great as town

Your scumread on us is pure shit and your mixing some shit together to make something out of them to push us. The 4 citations you made were crap and I addressed them again. Your sheeping lanes scumread on Alisae - on us for some reasons and you are accusing us that we took RVS more sisriously than it was RVS and we contradicted eachother by saying it was a joke and a conversation maker/reaction tester at the same time. You don't fucking understand RVS then w/e

You accusesed us of fakeing meta I suppose which is shit. I'm sure I saw RC "I sumread my hydra partner" before and his tones of different RVS posts before. me pushing Gin was to see if he is sincierly pushing us out of that RVS or was just try harding scum and I believe he was first after that interactionso I said my reaction test result more than transparently.

Get over high horse and be useful

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

massive is a low content poster - compulsive lurker who I read wrong before both times I played with and I don't trust myself reading him at all.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

massive is a low content poster - compulsive lurker who I read wrong before both times I played with and I don't trust myself reading him at all.

#Elsa

Please don't have this be an excuse to not give a read on him

Elyse large theme : ASOIAF - I pushed for a massive lynch VERY hard D1 cause he was so "obvscum" and cought scum when they were whiteknighting him in process as well. Massive turned town the other reads were accurate. (like 200 posts about how he was scum are there)

The villans Upick - Massive was so scummy since d1 but I was unsure about pushing him as he was just lurking - in day before lylo I pushed them and they turned out "unlynchable" so it was assumed they are unlynchable in days before lylo (cause that was an inherited something). In lylo we tried lynching him but we failed. then I - instead of defending myself and making a case on spiffeh - legittly lost my cool and started criticizing his game play and he hammered me even though I was confirmed by my neighbours (which was a masonary) (It was a wednsaday afternoon right after my teaching class - so I was extremly tired)

so yeah, in here; his posts are screaming scummy to me like usual but I'm sure I won't be able to read him accurately.

any other questions?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I mean yeah if you say so

we claimed to eachother pregame and declared that shit as a masonary and it was one since the very start and made a townblock but whatever

You lurked the whole game and voted me cause you wer angry for me criticizing you but whatever

in this game : I don't want you to read me in any manner and I don't care about your reads cause its too hard to cinvince myself you can make a good read in a mafia game

But I'm tolerating these emotions atm to see what will you do later but You should die before lylo cause thats like a pre determined game loss in my mind if your town based on what I know about you

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I redact what I said, possibility of this being scum theatre, discuss cuz they never actually did.

we didn't do what

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

What should I discuss when I'm not sure what is he referring to

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Because of your claim (or more specifically what you seem to be claiming). Please clarify what exactly you are trying to claim here ..

what do you mean?

I directly and fully claimed my role after being threatened to get vigged

what about it was ambiguous for you?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Because Friendly Neighbor means your claim gets auto-resolved by tomorrow by linking your fate to someone else. However the tagged on Messenger at the end makes me want clarification – you are claiming the traditional Wiki Friendly Neighbor role, correct?

I am Zoe the messenger

its what written in role pm

the rest of role pm describes "frinedly neighbour" who can send an anonymous message to someone else over night.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I was once a miller role with two confirmed town flavors in my role pm (in saga)

so meh

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Though him saying their not conftown is sketchy af ...

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

what about it is not confirmable?

You think someone else might send massages instead of us?

and when i made the first post I didn't see any questions - and I was crystal clear about the claim in the post I claimed it

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

or you were thinking we are a type of IC who can make the mod confirm us to others?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

what

[Elsa and Anna]

>.>

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

yeah

During Dota Mafia design reallo told a wrong name for this role to me then, I was using this shit for a long time now >.>

We are a messenger - the role that sends a message but won't confirm us directly.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I never saw a game with that role ever

how the fuck is that role normal - its too OP

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

are we talking about the same thing?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

you are talking about the enabler thing

I was talking about freindly neighbour

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Aella ain't scum get off that

Eager just because you are the claimed Vig doesn't mean I'm going to follow your reads like a little lost dragonwhelp. Ain't happening. You probably should come to grips with that sooner rather than later.

MOI can be scum

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm up to page 6, gin looks pretty town, spammers looks town, E&A is a bit worrying.

k

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Wanna townread leon for that flavor thingi and the way their consistant about it.

Note that for later - if they claim

I'm not sure who I wanna vote - maybe cakez, not sure about RC

should talk to him first.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that if you say that we're playing the same you are going to get autolynched because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that's a lie.

That doesn't make us town or scum, that just is what it is.

[Elsa and Anna]

FA, would you say you're playing the same or different from the hydra blitz

RC can answer too

I'm the exactly same dismotivated angry FA so

what in first 6 pages make you ask this?

[Elsa and Anna]

928 is FA 926 is RC

[Elsa and Anna]

Thats such a bizzare question

Explain the logic behind that question

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Thats such a bizzare question

Explain the logic behind that question

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Infinity 324

This is where I fakeclaim cop guilties.

we're lynching this today.

[Elsa and Anna]

quick to call people scum?

who was that similar to that game?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Ehh this isn't 'quite' where I fakeclaim cop guilties.

but I'm reading so much informed into Infinity's posting.

[Elsa and Anna]

and who did I call scum?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm leaving

talk more

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh wait a hydra of Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells is aggressive who would have thought it dear lord it's insane!!!!

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that you're either a scumfuck or really bad and confident despite being so and I want you dead either way.

[Elsa and Anna]

I read this as a calculated attempt to divert attention from another wagon. Your push on me strongly feels like it comes from an informed position. The way you talk feels like it comes from an informed position.

No one talks about their scumreads like you do unless they are scum or have a cop guilty. You cannot have a cop guilty so you are scum yourself.

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh wait a hydra of Frozen Angel and RadiantCowbells is aggressive who would have thought it dear lord it's insane!!!!

Key word there is overly.

You're not trying to figure me out at all, I would've expected you to at least fake it

where was I overly aggressive? I'm not actually pushing anyone imo

I didn't call people scummy in hydra blitz I practically lurked till EOD2

Why you asked that question?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

I heard once that a hydra partner of yours sometimes likes to exaggerate for reactions. Guess what? Me too.

that was @RC or me?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

We've been obnoxiously quiet in this game because we're both kind of okay with the leading wagons and we don't see the point in pushing much else.
We got FOSed, correctly, as scum in the micro because rather than go with the crowd lurking mentality we insisted on standing out and pushing on Mantis aka Giggles who is basically unlynchable as town.
So for you to come in here and call us scum for something that doesn't make sense and accuse us of being aggressive when it doesn't make sense then say you were exaggerating for reactions
News flash: I am able to pull shenanigans because I am able to not get lynched for them. I still think that you're scum, but if you're town then I ask you:
do you really want to get lynched on day 1 instead of someone else who might possibly be scum because you insisted on antagonizing two people who deathtunnel shitty FoSes on them?

[Elsa and Anna]

Where did I say that?

Thats sis who is voting him.

I think his question was extremly bizzare and I like to see where is this RC-him going through

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Sup I'm town

The dude clearly just said he's town

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Like there's so much different. In the Blitz I was the driving head and Elsa showed up when we got pressured. In this game Elsa is the driving head and I am only showing up when I want to do something big.
In the blitz we were aggressively pushing a number of slots. In this we're mostly just focusing on a few people that we're concerned are scum.
If you think that replacing in and making a demonstrably dishonest comparison is reaction testing then I have some news for you bud.

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh I never said that my response wasn't aggressive. I am a VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAYER,,,,, I do not let unsupported FoSes on me stand.

[Elsa and Anna]

VOTE: Gin-n-tonic

I don't like you staying on the sidelines and throwing in dirt from there. Commit to something.

[Elsa and Anna]

going to eat luanch and sleep

RC is activated and thats good news!

lets see how much content will be produced since my return.

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Have a nice day ^.^

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

Hey guys I'm not sure how to explain this since I was townreading Gin for most of the game but I just had a sudden epiphany of not liking the slot.
He's sitting on the sidelines here and throwing in dirt in a way that is really bothering me. He's not bothering to scumhunt between us just sit on the side.
He's done a fuckton of active lurking and IIOA too; like he has actually spent so much time talking about trivial or un-game-related shit this game.

I'm also looking back on the 'treat the hood like a masonry' bit. I don't think I have ever heard town say shit like that, and I can't pinpoint the game but I swear that I have heard scum say literally exactly that.

There's nothing that I particularly like scumhunting wise. They throw out a few reads but never really go into depth explaining them.
Also really dislike the 'pocketed or dead' bullshit they pulled somewhere earlier. Feels like it comes from cheeky scum as someone who is a cheeky scum

Pedit: Yep you are scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

Alright.

VOTE: Gin-n-tonic

Consider this gladiated. You can vig me and FA if we are wrong. we won't be.

[Elsa and Anna]

Don't bother. I have caught scum boyz.

[Elsa and Anna]

You're asking for a deathwish then.

Also good luck getting these votes sweetie.

Here's the thing. People know I'm town, people think you're scum.

How exactly are you going to pull off this lynch on the most widely town read player?

Because fuck me sometimes when you town read someone it's because they're fucking town.

Scumclaim boyoz.

[Elsa and Anna]

Gin you already lost when you challenged us.

[Elsa and Anna]

HOLY FUCK YES YOU DID IT YOU DID IT YOU DID THE BBT TELL

[Elsa and Anna]

You have an ego problem...

THIS IS A LITERAL SCUMCLAIM. THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE UNLESS THEY ARE SCUM. THINK ABOUT IT FROM REAL GIN'S POV.

[Elsa and Anna]

So for you to come in here and call us scum for something that doesn't make sense and accuse us of being aggressive when it doesn't make sense then say you were exaggerating for reactions

The arguments are not reaction tests, the confidence is.

do you really want to get lynched on day 1 instead of someone else who might possibly be scum because you insisted on antagonizing two people who deathtunnel shitty FoSes on them?

I want to play to my wincon, and that means lynching scum...

...no matter how frustrating or difficult that may be.

But I find it funny (though also possible from town) that you're being so transparent about your intentions--don't try to convince me you're town, try to convince me you're not worth pushing.

Well screw that. I'm pushing you guys anyway. Bring on the AtE and the OMGUS and the drama. I want to see this shit.

Nah I am going to ignore you because I have scum to lynch. You carry on doing your thing though, just realize that if you're town you will get lynched at some point.

[Elsa and Anna]

I am amazing. FA is amazing. Together we are Elsa and Anna

[Elsa and Anna]

Infinity I'll be blunt I don't give a shit about convincing you that we're town. You either are too paranoid of our slot to matter or are scum; either way you are not worth our time.

[Elsa and Anna]

I'm Elsa

This is Anna your tlaking too

can you see the hydra sigs ?

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

So Elsa, you're 100% a friendly neighbor, as in you'll be confirmed town 100%?

Yep your 100% blind

#Elsa

[Elsa and Anna]

No, he's not blind Elsa. It's tactical posturing. He's trying to keep his game face on and act like he's all tough and composed but he wouldn't be freaking out typing text walls a mile a minute if he was.

He is scum and we rattled him and when I get around to explaining my tell he will be dead within 24 hours.

[Elsa and Anna]

Except that you're scum this game and no lame ass self meta is going to get you out of this

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh no I totally believe that you think you are going to slip the noose today. That's actually the basis of how I know you're scum here.
You have never faced Elsa & Anna hydra b4 though. We won a mini theme on Night 1 with a lynch we deathtunneled the entire day and our vengekill onto scum.
In fact as a hydra we have never missed a vig shot. I as a player have never rolled vig and failed to kill scum. And you even saw what I did to wraith.
You know who is arrogant? you. thinking that you stand a chance against

us

.

[Elsa and Anna]

Don't do anything stupid town. No votes, no thinking too hard about anything, no getting stuck in reads. I will make my case in the next 24H and Gin won't survive 24 after that.

[Elsa and Anna]

LOL YOU ARE RATTLED.

[Elsa and Anna]

Oh and infinity if you're town you should be watching because this is

categorical

town!RC play.

[Elsa and Anna]

He claimed because he was rattled scum.

Role cop is much more frequently a scum role than a town role anyway and him suggesting that he's even worthy of consideration over the vig is laughable.

Infinity would you stop trying to throw lifelines to caught scum because if you keep doing it you are going to get vigged tonight.

[Elsa and Anna]

I never denied being egotistical. My claim is that there's no way that you as town would be calling me egotistical in that situation

[Elsa and Anna]

I indeed do not want you to use your ability and tell your scum partners what one of the town players roles is o.O

[Elsa and Anna]

Frozen angel close your eyes I won't let you fall tonight.

[Elsa and Anna]

I sincerely do not believe Infinity is this bad as town. I think that he's scum hard defending his scumpartner.

Remind me to make sure he gets vigged as well.

[Elsa and Anna]

What should we do besides discredit you when you replaced in, instantly jumped to the conclusion that we were confirmed scum for reasons that are frankly dumb and make you seem like a stupid person IRL if you're town, and refuse to reevaluate even though I believe that I am playing one of the towniest games that I have ever played?

[Elsa and Anna]

I mean you're just sitting there trying your best to make life easy for scum and pushing on town. We aren't discrediting you, you are discrediting yourself with your play.

[Elsa and Anna]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rc and fa don't discredit as town

[Elsa and Anna]

[Elsa and Anna]

I think that we've given you plenty of reasons to believe that we are town. You not believing that means that you are either scum or completely incapable of reading us.

What do you want me to do, argue with you? you haven't made a case. you just replaced in and said some bullshit about how 2 of the most aggressive players ever are scum for being aggressive.

[Elsa and Anna]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rc and fa don't discredit as town

What should we do besides discredit you when you replaced in,

So scum claim. Awesome

[Elsa and Anna]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh rc and fa don't discredit as town

Hmm is this sarcastic or not I wonder.

[Elsa and Anna]

Infinity you've played what like 2 games with me? People with 30+ games with me can't read me well. Why do you think that you have a contextual understanding of what Scum!RC is and isn't?

[Elsa and Anna]

And see look. I think Infinity knows that Gin is digging his hole deeper and trying his best to bail him out. Where's the town motivation to tell him to bail here?

[Elsa and Anna]

And no I am not misrepping. Your case on us is saying that a bunch of things are obviously or classically scum!RC when you have seen me as scum

once

.

I do not believe that you legitimately believe that you have an understanding of my meta after your pitiful experience with me and the alternative is that you are scum.

Does it really, Gin-n-tonic?

[Elsa and Anna]

Infinity isn't trying to read me. He's sitting there taking stuff out of context and saying it's 'something that scum rc does' without giving any sort of explanation as to why that's the case.

[Elsa and Anna]

I continue to not understand the scum motivation. I think you gravely fucked this one up and I think both of you are kicking yourself for doing so.
But the simple answer is that you thought you could be cheeky and go for a mislynch on me with Flubber and other votes on me and fall back on 'why would we do this as scum.'
And it isn't hard to find examples of scum picking fights with me, they seem to do it all the time. And they always say exactly that! I think they just underestimate me.

The part I mentioned is secondhand, I remember people talking about how you use that particular line a lot as scum.

Nope, it's just something that I say constantly to everyone because it's true. I don't think anyone on this site is capable of reliably reading me and I say so as town and scum.

[Elsa and Anna]

Infinity I am going to not talk to you because you are either scum or are the kind of person who doesn't vaccinate their children IRL because they think it will give them autism.
I reallly don't believe that you are the latter category, but I am just covering my bases in case you are town because I believe it still IS possible. Not for Gin tho.