Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[eagerSnake]

Do you guys not have a hydra PT?

VOTE:

Not_

Mafia

[eagerSnake]

Also eager I liked your previous avi better ;~;
-Ali

Why? Familiarity? Because the new avatar made you look to read my name again?

&& we have 3 hydras in this game so please keep it to a minimum, Spammers.

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

You get

mislynched

a lot D1 or something?

#Elsa

No. But usually at least get an RVS vote or someone claiming I'm scum. Neither happened. Surprising. Felt left out.

How do you know it'd be a mislynch?

[eagerSnake]

I didn't ignore the game discussions; I took some notes. However, I also realized that my notes/reads are highly opinionated and unjustifiable as they are mostly feelings I have on certain things rather than justifiable facts.

I figured it best to leave that out of the thread for now. I'm trying a new thing where I don't excessively post (as I realized do that a lot), but rather wait until I have valuable stuff to post, so as to not make it a pain to flip through the thread. At the same time, I didn't want to get prodded.

&& Finally, the only reason I mentioned the mislynch thing is because my autocorrect highlighted the word and it happened to pique my interest.

If you have any qualms with any of this idea feel free to state them.

-Snake

[eagerSnake]

Tl;dr: massive accuses RagingSpammers of Red Herring in 110.

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

What makes you think someone would think you're scum? What makes you think scum would fake a scumread on you?
-Ali

The experience of it happening in every other game? I mean did you not notice that nobody voted me even once or even said a word about me for six pages until I purposefully brought attention to myself? And from my notes: "Reaction in 214 by N_M is exactly what I was expecting from him after my post 213."

VOTE: Snake

Snakey talk to me about this.
-Ali

There's literally nothing to talk about. Troll noticed strange statement and saw the chance to troll on it and troll-ed on it.

Don't worry, Not_Mafia is getting vigged tonight.

[eagerSnake]

Snakey do you think you are the most lynchbaity slot alive?
-Ali

I believe I am often seen falsely as lynch-bait, yes. This has always been my belief on the way people see me, which can easily be shown by a quick meta-dive of me. Where are you going with these questions? I feel like they are going nowhere, and I don't want to be rude, but, like I said earlier I don't want this thread flooded more than it already is (see posts 236-250) and I will begin to ignore your questions (at least for a time, until I have more substance to post besides just an answer to your question).

[eagerSnake]

I want to see them

No; you don't. They are opinionated and unjustifiable, as I stated.

For example: "RagingSpammers' talking to each other on page one is probably town. - opinionated and unjustifiable"
"Gin "already take us out of RVS" in 15 is rather sketchy = potentially scum."
"Gin makes a good point in 19 but still comes off as sketchy. Possibly nothing here."

The firsts of many.

I didn't want to say anything about RS at the time as I wanted to see how the action played out some more, but I do think they are probably town here.

[eagerSnake]

I like to interact with you about your "opinionated and unjustifiable" reads

Hydra dissonence is a really easily fakable "towntell" for hydras yeah.

why taing the game out of RVS is sketchy to you?

I want to see the rest

#Elsa

It was mostly the tone I felt when reading the post that was sketchy.

Why do you want to see the rest? Do you need help finding scum, do you need help reading me, or are you hoping I say something you can push on?

[eagerSnake]

Uh Titus this is not Titusville, you don't decide who is dying. There's 13 of us here (16 if you consider hydras).

[eagerSnake]

whats up with that rehotrical question?

what gave you the impression that I'm going to push you based on promised and not yet outed reads of yours?

engagement.

It feels like you're scum looking to latch onto something.

Hey RC I may be scum reading your hydra partner. What say you?

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

Scum looking to latch onto something.

[eagerSnake]

Honestly I went to open the notepad I had my notes in and it was fucking empty OK? I think my 23mo daughter and my domestic partner ended up opening it and somehow deleting my notes because they like to play in notepad to teach her numbers and letters. I'm slightly pissed about it and trying to forget about it.

I haven't gotten around to recreating my notes as they won't be as good as my initial reactions to the posts.

Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about it.

But you do seem like you're trying to latch onto shit.

[eagerSnake]

I had about 10 that I hadn't committed to memory.

Nothing important, though, really. But, still, upsetting.

[eagerSnake]

The whole reason I posted what I posted was to see who would latch onto it.

N_M poked at it. E/A latched on.

[eagerSnake]

@eager what do you think is town about ragingspam?

I felt the whole page 1 thing was rather townie while I witnessed it happening real-time.

Alisae and CK I have played with both of them as town and don't see or feel any noticeable difference here.

[eagerSnake]

You want my current reads go read my ISO its only like 15 posts.

[eagerSnake]

Yeah I don't really have many strong reads

What are your reads?

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

This was a foreshadow of this

I didn't ignore the game discussions; I took some notes. However, I also realized that my notes/reads are highly opinionated and unjustifiable as they are mostly feelings I have on certain things rather than justifiable facts.

I figured it best to leave that out of the thread for now. I'm trying a new thing where I don't excessively post (as I realized do that a lot), but rather wait until I have valuable stuff to post, so as to not make it a pain to flip through the thread. At the same time, I didn't want to get prodded.

&& Finally, the only reason I mentioned the mislynch thing is because my autocorrect highlighted the word and it happened to pique my interest.

If you have any qualms with any of this idea feel free to state them.

-Snake

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

What makes you think someone would think you're scum? What makes you think scum would fake a scumread on you?
-Ali

The experience of it happening in every other game? I mean did you not notice that nobody voted me even once or even said a word about me for six pages until I purposefully brought attention to myself? And from my notes: "Reaction in 214 by N_M is exactly what I was expecting from him after my post 213."

VOTE: Snake

Snakey talk to me about this.
-Ali

There's literally nothing to talk about. Troll noticed strange statement and saw the chance to troll on it and troll-ed on it.

Don't worry, Not_Mafia is getting vigged tonight.

This alludes to and foreshadows this

The whole reason I posted what I posted was to see who would latch onto it.

N_M poked at it. E/A latched on.

When I posted what I posted, I was looking for certain behaviors regarding the posts so I could make judgements based on them.

[eagerSnake]

Vote me then scaredy cat

[eagerSnake]

Because according to your reads list I'm the scummiest person here

also [wifom]If i were scum it would've been much easier for me to ignore/disengage or even make up some "notes" rather than say I didn't have any which is obviously scummy when I said I did. But I'm not scum so I just tell the truth about what happened and see if I can form any reads around that convo.[/wifom]

[eagerSnake]

I don't really like giving more than a couple reads at a time this early on as all the reads are weak I feel like it helps scum manipulate

By the end of the day I will hope my reads are strong enough to state but they aren't right now

[eagerSnake]

&& re: your first line: that's why I put the [wifom] tags for clarity, EA

[eagerSnake]

Go on

[eagerSnake]

Scum will take reads you have wrong and know which direction to push duh

Scum that you have on town will try to pocket you duh

Come on dude seriously you don't know how early reads lists help scum? How many games have you played in?

^Rhetorical questions don't worry you don't have to answer to them

&& you will learn that I don't like answering to people

Why you guys are so worried about me and not caring about fuckers like Not_Mafia not doing shit is beyond me.

[eagerSnake]

Because according to your reads list I'm the scummiest person here

also [wifom]If i were scum it would've been much easier for me to ignore/disengage or even make up some "notes" rather than say I didn't have any which is obviously scummy when I said I did. But I'm not scum so I just tell the truth about what happened and see if I can form any reads around that convo.[/wifom]

Yuck.

Scumreads are RS and Snake, in that order.

Nice superficial reads.

[eagerSnake]

Lol

[eagerSnake]

What

[eagerSnake]

You guys are garbage or scum? Huh?

[eagerSnake]

Where are the good players at?

You didn't shoot anything.

You're probably scum tbh but hey if I'm wrong then I'm just as wrong as you are about me eh

[eagerSnake]

Did you remember to start twilight trolling in case the vig is fake?

Do you believe the vig is real?

[eagerSnake]

"Hey, why aren't you guys scum reading me"
Why should we scum read you?
"because I'm always scum read, at least usually"
Well you've done nothing so far, what have you done
"I made some notes but not in game"
Let's see those notes
"nahhhhh"
you sure?
"yeahhhhhh'
seriously?
"nahhhhhh"
could you please?
"nahhhh"
just a couple
"sureeeee"
"gives 2 notes about things already hashed out"
Those have been said before
"yeahhhhhhh"
You got any more notes?
"nahhhhhhh"
That's scummy, why?
"grandmaaaaaaaa"
bullshit
"Wifom i'm scum or nahhhh"
That's worth a vote/dayvig
"nahhhhhh"


That's you ya twit.

Superficial straw man

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

@lane this one.

[eagerSnake]

Which I then explain was a foreshadow of the next post which was the post that AE latched on to.

[eagerSnake]

So Snakey is scummy for defending someone you think is scum?
Why can't Snakey just be defending someone who they think is town?
-Ali

Ali what is Ck's top scumread atm

[eagerSnake]

Oh the thing about nobody voting you? Not the part about your notes. Because I thought Elsa latched onto the notes that got deleted.

Are you serious

Do you not see where I say "I have many other thoughts" etc

which was a foreshadow of me saying "I have notes I'm not posting rn"

[eagerSnake]

I have to spoon feed this shit to you guys??

[eagerSnake]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

This is called foreshadowing. The whole "reason I posted what I posted," to see who would latch onto it. Bait for someone, anyone, to say why aren't you sharing your thoughts. I'm trying to see who latches onto this.

few more posts.. I'm waiting for it...

Why you ignored the whole game discussions to make a comment about how you are left out?

I didn't ignore the game discussions; I took some notes.

However, I also realized that my notes/reads are highly opinionated and unjustifiable as they are mostly feelings I have on certain things rather than justifiable facts.

I figured it best to leave that out of the thread for now.

At this time, I still had my ~10-15 notes, but they were opinionated and unjustifiable, as stated.

I want you to make your notes inside the game thread not in a notebook snake.

My thought: That's cool, but I don't feel like sharing my notes right now as I feel like scum will use them to manipulate, and I don't know if you're scum or not yet. I wonder if this is what you are hoping you can do? How is it a good idea as town to let scum pick my brain?

So I continue to engage with them, I give them a couple weak notes I feel comfortable sharing to see what happens there. I was going to share the rest later in the day, after all, I'm not required to share every thought that I have on command, I'm not required to answer to unconfirmed peoples and give them all of my personal notes. If you are scum, you will surely use them to your advantage, am I right?

Lol you guys are hilarious for thinking this is my scum tactic

[eagerSnake]

Looks like scum eager from ttyll.

STOP RIGHT THERE.

How is this scum eager from ttyll?

Scum eager from ttyll lurked the first 3 days and let himself get prodded each time before posting a prodgy post

[eagerSnake]

My ISO from Ttyll. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

My scum-chat ISO from TTyll: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[eagerSnake]

No shit

[eagerSnake]

Wonder how many scum took the bait

Do scum have daychat is that known?

[eagerSnake]

I started the pressure on Wisdom, SC. As soon as day 3 started, and I did not let up. It was a Red Herring. And I never flamed anyone.

You look like scum Sir Cakez from Blood on the Streets mafia.

[eagerSnake]

If you keep dying D1 because you're shit, you soon learn to get your act together.

VOTE: eagerSnake

If you keep lynching townies because you're so fucking big-headed and can't read them then you need to learn to get your act together.

You're pathetic.

I'm town vig you have to deal with me

[eagerSnake]

I am Spyro: Town Vig.

[eagerSnake]

Now that you know I had no scum motivations, go back and read again and find actual scum this time

I AM SPYRO, TOWN VIGILANTE.

[eagerSnake]

Well it's true so believe it? You're making your false reality seem more real to you than reality itself.

[eagerSnake]

I'm going to be honest with you guys. I may have had a few too many irish coffees this morning

[eagerSnake]

Lol when there's 2 kills tonight I'm cleared though?

[eagerSnake]

Where da f CK at ali get your vote off me

[eagerSnake]

This is a 3 mafia vs 10 town setup confirmed by mod dumb

[eagerSnake]

I already said NM is getting vigged to hell

[eagerSnake]

Superficial reads on me without looking for any real scum motive. Cause there wasn't a scum motive. Cause I'm not scum. Someone wanted me lynched immediately, they even used the "L" word, who was that

now, please

Go back and read and find real scum this time.

[eagerSnake]

RS is town even though their logic as far as that read goes is flawed and that play was bad

[eagerSnake]

Why is everyone so enraged?

IDk about everyone else but

[eagerSnake]

RS is town even though their logic as far as that read goes is flawed and that play was bad

So basicly you think I'm bad town?
-Ali

I didn't say that. You are useful in some aspects.

[eagerSnake]

Here is my problem with your logic:

I claimed Spyro town vig. Scum knows I'm town and not lying. You expected scum to jump on me because of your cc. That makes no sense to me.

[eagerSnake]

RS is another bad superficial read

[eagerSnake]

I don't think E&A is town

[eagerSnake]

you do too Elsa

[eagerSnake]

I'm vigging E&A if they're not pressured more today.

Elsa my record would say otherwise also.

If I suck for scum reading you then you suck for scum reading me K?

K.

Btw you're getting vigged.

[eagerSnake]

eager I thought you wanted to vig NM.
What changed?
-Ali

NM is a policy vig. E&A is a read vig.

[eagerSnake]

Why do you think RS is town? I agree that there's no logic to the CC from a town perspective; that's why I'm scumreading them for it.

I have played with both CK and Alisae before, all 3 of us town. There is no noticeable difference here. These two are crazy you have to understand this. But they are good players if you don't take their posts superficially. In the end, they will prove useful and will have good reads.

Meta experience aside, I also don't see any scum motivation in their posts. Their posts have come across as genuine. The attention they have brought on themselves is a rather townie thing. There are better places to apply pressure than here.

[eagerSnake]

Thats totally cool by me

You will just remove a wifomy slot (too good to be true), confirm yourself and I will rest in peace knowing I'm in one less mafia game and colser to my retirement day

I'm zoe , town friendly neighbor (massenger) - you have the gun so you force people to claim.

shrugs!

show me your accuracy

I never misvigged in my past 50 games on MS and a lot of games out of it the only time I had investigative (a tracker) I got double guilties in row

I never got mislynched in a day beside lylo - and the honor was massive's. the only other time that I got lynched (and I was scum) RC used an RL tell. Thats the total summery of my lynch status.

Now. why in the fucking earth anyone as shit as you are dare to criticize my game play? I'm retirying for a good reason.

#Elsa

This was unnecessary.

[eagerSnake]

True. UNVOTE: e&a

Hmm.. looks like we were both wrong here, Elsa.

Now let's work together since we're on the same team

[eagerSnake]

I never lost a single scum game beside the one that I was lynched in and another one when I was a jester in a setup full of confirmed guilties!

As town - beside large theme games that I still have a great read ratio in them - I have way upper than 50% winrate.

the last time I had a vig, i lead a lynch on one scum nd shot the other that night to end the game N1. (and I did this both times I had vig variants)

you are a vig I think show your skill and we will compare our status post game

#Elsa

I'm not perfect, neither are you. I've shot townies. I've lynched townies. I've been pocketed by scum (untrod tripod in blood in the streets mafia) which caused game loss, but I did nail scum the other scum d1 and n1. But usually, I am pretty good on my reads. Usually, I'm also pretty easy to read as town once I really start explaining my POV. But I am misread a lot at first. I've also never lost a scum game, but I think that's only because I make people underestimate me, as I'm actually quite obvscum imo.

I also don't like answering a bunch of questions when I'm town and being accused as scum because of it, esp when there's others like NM in the game doing fuck all. I see it like "damnit now I gotta answer all these fucking questions when what I really want to be doing is re-reading the game to find scum."

But, instead of dick measuring, I think it'd be best to work together to win. We still have plenty of days left until EOD, I don't think it was necessary for you to claim immediately just because I said I was going to shoot you. You could've just made me see you as town instead of claiming. But I feel like you probably feel the same way I feel as far as having to answer to bunch of bullshit as town

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: ProHawk

I think that's scum. What do you think E&A

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: ProHawk

I think that's scum. What do you think E&A

[eagerSnake]

Gin I think that was a good find. People like that usually get overlooked easily, as more talkative lynchbaity people get hammered down on, and they are quite often scum. It's actually very awkward posting when I look at it.

[eagerSnake]

Igotthesamefeelingtbh

[eagerSnake]

I want to think it means nothing but I can't help but be like damn he just rehashed what I just said in literally the next post.

[eagerSnake]

Here's a question everyone hates: Aella: Can you explain all your reads in a bit more detail?

[eagerSnake]

POE is a powerful tactic in the town's arsenal.

[eagerSnake]

Prohawk is more of a gut town read

I don't see it. At all.

[eagerSnake]

His response to Gin's post will mean shit to me as it's reactionary.

I want to see forward progress.

[eagerSnake]

Scum will take reads you have wrong and know which direction to push duh

Scum that you have on town will try to pocket you duh

Come on dude seriously you don't know how early reads lists help scum? How many games have you played in?

^Rhetorical questions don't worry you don't have to answer to them

&& you will learn that I don't like answering to people

Why you guys are so worried about me and not caring about fuckers like Not_Mafia not doing shit is beyond me.

VOTE: eagerSnake

Nice deflection.

P-edit: Nice try, but I've explained my reads in my ISO.

Lol

What

You guys are garbage or scum? Huh?

Where are the good players at?

You didn't shoot anything.

You're probably scum tbh but hey if I'm wrong then I'm just as wrong as you are about me eh

I have to spoon feed this shit to you guys??

Yeah this series of posting along with the deflection Leon mentioned is really crappy. Looks like scum eager from ttyll.

VOTE: eager

Ok thanks lane. Wanted to make sure you actually could back that up.

I'm starting to feel like lynching lynch bait when they call themselves lynchbait so they have an incentive to stop being lynchbait.

Stop purposefully playing like shit and then saying you're lynchbait.

How do you know it's purposeful?
Either way being willing to lynch lynch bait just because they want to play like lynch bait is baaaaaaaaaad.
You're scummy for attacking their playstyle.
-Ali

If a playstyle is scummy, then that leads to the conclusion that I vote what's scummy.

If you keep dying D1 because you're shit, you soon learn to get your act together.

VOTE: eagerSnake

Who else was egging on my lynch. Show yourself.

Lack of vote counts is why I claimed btw so thanks Gin for doing that.

[eagerSnake]

Ok NOW I feel better about Elsa, but that could be in part for feeling worse about eager here.

Eager, to make new notes. Honestly they should pop into your head and should be easy to remember considering you already made them once. I'm not reading as Elsa latching onto anything. At least not on a scummy way. I do the same shit.

I always think it's scummy when someone says they have something, but then all of a sudden they forgot to save or lost it all. And they've also flipped town before so just go make new notes.

My read on gin hasn't changed

My read on Elsa is changing

This is all you said, not too bad. It's understandable.

[eagerSnake]

I mean it was definitely unfortunate that my notes got deleted. That made me look scummy af I agree. But nothing I could do about it after the fact. Plus like I said in my [wifom] post I would've made up some more notes if I were scum, or I would've just disappeared for a day

[eagerSnake]

SC's vote on me is the worst of the 3.

[eagerSnake]

Funny story, I nailed SC in Blood on the Streets mafia because he tried to make a push on me. I don't have time right this second but later I'll quote some shit from that game. If you'd like to see it now http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=68486

[eagerSnake]

UT pocketed me on the first page and that's why he won the game

[eagerSnake]

{ProHawk, SirCakez, (Not_Mafia, Flubber, Magna, Leon)}

[eagerSnake]

Why don't I townread Leon like you do? Explain the read with quotes & comments please?

[eagerSnake]

That's Aella not Leon 9

[eagerSnake]

I see what you're saying, you're probably right on that too.

Why is massive scum?

[eagerSnake]

Null {Not_Mafia, Flubbernugget, massive}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
{ProHawk}
Scum

We should follow this for autowin.

[eagerSnake]

You're not presenting them that way, I am. I agree with your reads.

[eagerSnake]

Scum content, right?

[eagerSnake]

"You have no evidence against me" is basically what he just said - a thing scum say after they think they have made sure there is no evidence against them.

[eagerSnake]

Thanks for the reactionary post, a few people wanted thay. I, personally, want to see a progressive post.

[eagerSnake]

Generally you interact with what's going on. Ya know, real time interactions.

This too

[eagerSnake]

Second if you want to go find evidence, go look in any completed large game with a ton of activity.

I don't quite understand this part can anyone elaborate?

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: massive

Next?

[eagerSnake]

Where da fuq is CK

[eagerSnake]

He post elsewhere on the site he need to get his ass in here and say something

[eagerSnake]

All good CK I'm just poking.

Would be nice to have ur opinion but it can wait

[eagerSnake]

Ali+CK+eS ISOs from our last game together, we were all town btw.

[eagerSnake]

Tell me what I'm supposed to get from that?

That CK+Ali (and myself) are crazy so don't judge their alignment based on awkwardness.

[eagerSnake]

You're all scum imo

[eagerSnake]

I'm Spyro - Cop - with a guilty on everyone

[eagerSnake]

^ above post is joke

[eagerSnake]

Gin are you feeling what I meant about getting pissed answering certain questions

[eagerSnake]

You talking about earlier that RS isn't doing well under pressure?

No, I'm talking about how I hate repeatedly getting asked questions - having posts directed towards me with questions in them, especially multiples - as I feel like it's a waste of time answering most of them and that I'd rather be spending my time rereading and finding scum.

Are you feeling this?

[eagerSnake]

Gin ain't scum I think

[eagerSnake]

He's done a pretty good job showing town

Good job Gin

Good work

Appreciate it

Thanks a bunch

Keep it up

Here's your paycheck

*hands a get out of d1 lynch free card*

[eagerSnake]

You know how easy you are to vote right?

No one would give me shit for lynching you. D1 could have ended a long freaking time ago and no one would have thought any different.

On the contrary, if they were lynched and flipped town, I would be looking at all the wagoners with extreme guilt. I really don't think they're scum right now; at the very least, they are definitely not the best lynch right now. I'd be shooting a wagoner if this slot was lynched without me.

[eagerSnake]

massive wagon should be massive rn

[eagerSnake]

Yeah I can't take "their posts are off" as a way to scum read them.

Also "this is scum" is unacceptaple. I want to see a good case on RS if they're to get my vote today

[eagerSnake]

Someone who is "mis-scumread" consistently early in the game pushing to lynch lurkers? COME ON SON

I never said the L word

But it gets harder to read people the less they post, son. Votes can encourage posts

[eagerSnake]

But when you come back on Monday you will be encouraged!

[eagerSnake]

What are your current scum reads?

[eagerSnake]

I'm always encouraged, you don't need to vote for me for bad reasons.

It's unlikely to encourage me to post on the weekend. See: My sig.

I'm caught up AMA

We're poking a lion and trying to get it to talk.
Is that a bad thing massive?
-Ali

I don't know? I understand engaging people but I imagine I could think of more townie ways to do it than "poking a lion."

He accused you of trying to not answer questions in 110 but 3 minutes later you made a post, 112, talking about exactly what about what he accused you of not doing.

Given that he made that post over a 100 posts after the event happened, if he was reading the thread then surely he wouldn't have missed that part.

110 feels like just a little bit of condescending Jedi hand-waving "you want to stop having this conversation" out-of-game reference to appeal to some shared experience in the hopes that Gin would ease up.

That's not what I said. And 112 doesn't fix 110 from my perspective.

Other flaws is that he never explained what "The Fear" was when he was asked.

Theres also the elephan in the room that Rc is a good player and believing anyone can have a correct read on his alignement by the first post in rvs is just not happening
-CK

Cloud are you ... are you AFRAID of RC or something?

I don't know, this wasn't that hard, my ISO's not that long.

Generally you interact with what's going on. Ya know, real time interactions.

Yeah, not everyone plays this way.

{ 27 }

I feel like ProHawk is pretty easy to push here. You can't give him a hard time about making catch up posts (which, he should catch up, he's been busy he says) and then demand he interact real time (because, his only response is obviously going to be, I need to catch up, I've been busy) AND THEN shit on the only real-time interaction he can do. He feels forced to replace out and then this:

VOTE: massive

Next?

Someone who is "mis-scumread" consistently early in the game pushing to lynch lurkers? COME ON SON

Cuz I want the dude to TALK to me instead of just sheeping onto my wagon really early.

LOOK OUT I also don't interact in real time a lot.

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I do think there's scum in MoI/Massive/Not_Mafia tho

This scumpool is kinda sketchy
There's a lurker who always lurks, a troll and an unreadable wallposter

Why are these three scum?

TBF I'm only a comparative lurker who always comparatively lurks. I'm sorry I can't word-vomit like some posters.

... or

was I the troll?

Massive's vote on RS didn't look too good to me either, like RS mentioned earlier

What exactly was "not too good" about it? It actually had reasons so ... did you disagree with those? Your vote on me is from RVS so no idea what you're trying to push here.

{ 26 }

Hooooly cats you guys page 32 seriously? I'm on 14.

It bothers me that massive isn't really trying to push his reads

[eagerSnake]

massive is a low content poster - compulsive lurker who I read wrong before both times I played with and I don't trust myself reading him at all.

#Elsa

Sounds worthy of a vig shot but idk how much more so than like NM... I wonder how many times NM gets vigged n1

[eagerSnake]

Why are asking Leon this when you participated in Princess Bride Mafia (even if it was ever so briefly before we turbo-Executed you Day 1) and saw scum MoI first-hand?

I was so pissed at that, I didn't keep up with it.

It bothers me that massive isn't really trying to push his reads

Well, heavens, I'm glad you've been able to move on from "it bothers me he isn't posting" to this.

Of course.

[eagerSnake]

Yes, please vig me, sounds like a plan.

Nah I feel like I can pry information out of you if I just ask for it.

But I shouldn't have to ask for it!

[eagerSnake]

Who's scum?

I don't know. Still OK with my vote on Spammers. Maybe Not_Mafia. I think Magna is town, and AElla (this looks similar to vifam-town). Probably need a bit to get a handle on Cakez and Flubber. And I need to not forget that you tricked me in the last game we played together. I can't decide whether FA wants me to townread her because she's treating me like shit, but that play lost us Villains U-Pick, so YMMV.

Scumposting.

10 town points to whoever explains why without me having to

[eagerSnake]

I'm caught up AMA

Who's scum?

The only thing I'm confirmed is that Spyro is in this game, so I know it's not a fakeclaim. If flavor is linked to alignment, it's town. Don't want to vote a D1 vig claim regardless.

Oh … Leonshade might be scum as well. 781 doesn’t dissuade me from that given that is probably the softest pool of Townreads you could have in the game-state and is careful to maintain distance from any solid scum-read.

You're cherrypicking 781 when I was expressing solid SRs on Snake and Spammers before Snake's claim.

Cakez is another ISO I should read, scum!Cakez was a blind spot to me in Order of the Stick Mafia (I only joined the wagon because it was deadline, I wasn't actively SRing him).

Prob town posting

[eagerSnake]

discuss it

[eagerSnake]

By the way when I posted my note about RagingSpammers I left a crucial part out.

I felt that their posting style was indicative of Vanilla Town, which now that they have claimed Day 2 DV that makes sense as that's basically a VT

[eagerSnake]

Are you Greta or Handel?

[eagerSnake]

I wouldn't feel too strongly either way.
If he flipped town I'd be shooting a wagoner though

[eagerSnake]

Btw guys Aella is town as fucj so get off that shit

[eagerSnake]

Aella ain't scum get off that

[eagerSnake]

Just saying he ain't scum and I advise to get off that

Your choice whether or not you listen to that

[eagerSnake]

So is Aella, so am i, and so are you.

[eagerSnake]

Idkkkkkkkk he needs to step up his town game if that's the case

[eagerSnake]

Elsa sketched me the fuck out by calling themselves friendly neighbor (which tells someone your alignment, mod-confirmed) then changing it to an anonymous messenger

[eagerSnake]

A girl not a grill lol

[eagerSnake]

Infinity is town sorry

[eagerSnake]

Infinity can you post a link to your most recent 3 scum ISOs and 3 most recent town ISOs (make sure the game is not ongoing ergo it has run to completion ergo no one is actually talking anymore in it)

[eagerSnake]

All this RC and FA stuff is exhausting.

Like are you going to make any alignment posts

or

push any reads

or

no

[eagerSnake]

All this RC and FA stuff is exhausting.

QFT

Town games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8778079 (was a hydra but I was the main poster. this is the hydra blitz I was referencing earlier)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8598661 (also a hydra...and I was also the main poster)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8495081

Scum games:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8410999
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Let's play spot the noticeable differences in inf's town/scum style

[eagerSnake]

I'd say his posting here looks similar to Tit For Tat, where he was scum.

[eagerSnake]

Infinity can you show me a few games where you replaced in as town please

[eagerSnake]

To be fair, i also think its a really bad reason to townread someone, i cant say for ali but if you try to read me from my tone you will fail but with extensive meta knowledge

Ir's not tone. It's more like a demeanor. I can't really explain it well, but it's a very reliable tell for me.

What you are explaining is read experience learned on a subconscious level which makes perfect sense to me

[eagerSnake]

Ok that's quite enough

Infinity and RC can you guys ignore each other for the rest of the day and we'll just see if you're both alive tomorrow or not

lets talk about your next scum reads

[eagerSnake]

MoI could be scum.

Ok, can you expand on this?

[eagerSnake]

@RC Yeah but I'd like to know your thoughts on the slot

Might help me sort the slot, esp later on were you to flip or get confirmed town

[eagerSnake]

Sounds unreasonable tbh

[eagerSnake]

I mean if we lynch Gin and he flips scum and you die tonight and flip town I'd like to know the read

[eagerSnake]

Yes

I don't believe you, but ok. Does he throw up his hands and selfvote and then act like he's still trying? Think about that. If he's resigned to his own lynch, how can he possibly believe gin will get lynched? It shows the selfvote was never meant to go through in the first place.

Yes

[eagerSnake]

Shit my last game with them they did this same shit to a claimed masonry, only calling one of the masons scum, and saying the other was gambiting town, and they were all town

[eagerSnake]

I'm talking about jarjar and TwoFace

[eagerSnake]

Oh why did I think RC was Titus? I think they said it one time

[eagerSnake]

I mean I hate when people self vote as town

That's like taking your ball and going home because things didn't go your way

[eagerSnake]

I mean I hate when people self vote as town

That's like taking your ball and going home because things didn't go your way

Good for you. I tried to get Gin lynched but people wouldn't go for it. Gin will make it to endgame if you don't hardclaim that you are vigging him. do it.

I mean it's only been the course of a day

Why does the day have to end right now

What about Flubbernugget who I can't even tell is in this game

[eagerSnake]

Cool don't drop it then but kindly unvote yourself you're denying town info

[eagerSnake]

Tbh if you are scum and RC is town I kinda understand

As town I hate talking to scum

[eagerSnake]

I mean you obviously don't care about being lynched

[eagerSnake]

Nah it's unnecessary RC.

Its a bit tangential but in podoboqs mini I claimed Ascetic on page one. There was another ascetic in the game who thought I was confscum and basically stalked me for 20 pages before ccing me. We were both town ascetics and I knew it. Even though I knew I would end up lynched by the nature of his claim I played my best town game regardless. It took 30 more pages and all 3 scum on my wagon to get me lynched and I found all 3 of them in the process. We ended up winning that game because of it.

Point is I could've resigned to self vote to get the people I knew were scum lynched in the manner you're attempting but I didn't because nobody will respect the read of someone who takes their ball and goes home. By not doing that the scum ended up having to all join my wagon because I made myself evidently town by action. Ergo, the scum put themselves out in the open.

Do you see what I'm driving at

Usually as town if you just stay cool and keep expressing your honest opinion calmly most the other townies will recognize and be more hesitant to vote, and the scum will have to try that much harder to lynch you, which usually makes themselves look scummy and puts them out in the open

/semirant

[eagerSnake]

Tl Dr make scum work for that lynch

Don't deny town info by self voting, ergo taking your ball and going home

Make all 3 of them get on your wagon

Make themselves get out in the open

[eagerSnake]

Also RC it wasn't very reasonable to vote me and say for me to get fucking policy lynched after I was basically confirmed town. Do you agree

I don't think we've played together before this and respect is earned, you know that.

[eagerSnake]

Tbh I wasn't considering you at all when I threatened to vig your slot. You'll say yourself that I can't read you so this should make sense to you.

FA wasn't being very nice at the time of that threat.

[eagerSnake]

Basically RC says that the things you say are scummy/scum tells are not inherently scum tells as they can prove they've done them as town

The only argument you can make against that is that they intentionally did it as town to obfuscate and improve their scum game which is impossible to prove and RC will never agree with or admit to

[eagerSnake]

Nvm RC beat me to it p much

[eagerSnake]

If that's the case then you have to argue that RC intentionally did them as scum to obfuscate or improve their scum game, because RC does the same things as both alignment, and they can show that

So good luck arguing they intentionally did it in other town games to obfuscate and improve their scum game

[eagerSnake]

If that's the case then you have to argue that RC intentionally did them as town to obfuscate or improve their scum game, because RC does the same things as both alignment, and they can show that

So good luck arguing they intentionally did it in other town games to obfuscate and improve their scum game

Ebwop

[eagerSnake]

In any case this was a pretty productive irl day for this game

[eagerSnake]

My opinion is that the best votes right now would be on

{Flubbernugget, massive, not_mafia}

Because I don't even feel their presence in this Game

One of them is probably scum, so I wonder which one it is

[eagerSnake]

If everyone could start giving analysis on those players I think it would be good to start from

[eagerSnake]

Holy shit

I got myself nearly drunk and high (this is when I think best) and thought about all this and had an epiphany

the RC slot is a fucking lock town

[eagerSnake]

Holy shit

I got myself nearly drunk and high (this is when I think best) and thought about all this and had an epiphany

the RC slot is a fucking lock town

Lol

Why

I can't remember my exact process of thought that led me to the conclusion but I do remember that the conclusion was RC slot lock town and it had something to do with how they acted when I started saying we were on the same team, that we should work together, etc

Both the RC user and the E&A user

[eagerSnake]

VOTE: SirCakez

[eagerSnake]

Let's give him a moment to catch up and complete his thoughts.

Obviously we aren't going to ql him rn

But this reads lamist you know

[eagerSnake]

oh I get it I misread the stupid quote
I thought in 1140 Infinity was saying NM claimed Vig on page 11, but he was saying eager claimed vig there. And the CCs are referring to the neighbor claims.
jfc I'm dumb

Yeah and they also claimed the rest of their roles, can you find that?

[eagerSnake]

UNVOTE: SirCakez

I'm personally going to abstain from voting for a moment.

[eagerSnake]

I will say that gin could be opportunistic scum. But he'd have to be essentially a god scum to be scum this game so I prefer to wait and see if he gets NKed. Like its so unlikely he's able to fake convincing paranoia, convincing efforts to get the game going, good questions, etc.

Gin is a good player, I don't think it's above him to be scum here.

So Im being lazy and dont feel like checking

how many games have you played with Gin?

[eagerSnake]

Hmm I hope I didn't write off Gin as town too soon

Pedit: why can't we be friends

[eagerSnake]

Well he did replace in

[eagerSnake]

[eagerSnake]

I don't see how any true townie could have N_M as anything other than null tbh

[eagerSnake]

And now that the game is officiallly over I can quote the following -

I would prefer that you vote Fitz first because I'm like 99.9% certain Fitz is scum vs 99.6% certain MoI is scum and I think that Fitz is more palatable as a wagon anyway.

From Nightless Vengeful Mayhem Open 669. Nahdia_Superfan is an RC alt.

I was Town that game. So was RC. So take with a heaping dose of salt what RC says about his accuracy on reads (regardless of what you think his alignment is). Because you cannot be much more certain than 99.6%.

Well they did have fitz right

[eagerSnake]

So is infinity town or scum here

[eagerSnake]

except maybe "fewer early townreads".

WHich isn't really relevant because you replaced in with like 30 pages of content

[eagerSnake]

I'm bummed I didn't do more to figure out why Elsa claimed friendly neighbor, when apparently that had nothing to do with their role

Yeah that is sketchy but the slot is lock town

[eagerSnake]

I mean I agree but the fact that it looks like you are throwing shade Massive’s way while not even blinking when both Gin and Infinity listed him as Town on their latest lists is puzzling.

Yeah I want those reads explained further that's why I poked at it

[eagerSnake]

I know i singularly expressed townreads on both but i think one of gin and inf is scum.

[eagerSnake]

Experience learned on a subconscious level

[eagerSnake]

I have reason to believe theres either a roleblocker or redirecter on the scum team

Leave it at that

[eagerSnake]

RC this is another reason your deal about getting lynched and me vigging was suboptimal btw

[eagerSnake]

What do you think about mass claim

[eagerSnake]

We already have 4 PR claims

[eagerSnake]

actually 5 if you count leonshade's "my role pm confirms existence of spyro"

[eagerSnake]

So we really should mass claim guys

I'm even telling myself in my dreams

Reason why is because we have like 5 PR claims already, 1 of which is a vig and 2 of which are role cops and 1's a messenger

its pretty apparant why mass claim is optimal here i hope i dont have to explain it

[eagerSnake]

They already know who

[eagerSnake]

So like, I'm a vig so I'm definitely getting blocked/redirected

And then a town role cop is usually a high priority kill

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake - Town Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"

MagnaofIllusion -
Flubbernugget -
SirCakez -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) -
lane0168 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake - Town Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter

MagnaofIllusion -
Flubbernugget -
SirCakez -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
lane0168 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

EBWOP

[eagerSnake]

I mean vanilla towns, if there are any, should at least out amirite?

And the other PRs can be just PRs

[eagerSnake]

if it is decided today to mass claim this is not an acceptable claim.

Of course not. But it was worth noting.

[eagerSnake]

Right

[eagerSnake]

Well if one of them lies about their partners role or something then they will likely eventually be confirmed scum themselves

[eagerSnake]

Always claim negative modifiers

Ascetics

Cowards/Hiders/Commuters

Hateds

etc

[eagerSnake]

Oh yeah I forgot Hider is different on this site

Hider where I come from is a 1-shot commuter

[eagerSnake]

1-shot commuter is negative utility it's like a -0.3 role power

[eagerSnake]

How is an optional role negative utility 0_0

Nothing town or scum about aella's catchup

Are you asking how 1-Shot Commuter is negative?

Well for one they only get one shot so it's utility is already extremely limited

Furthermore if they don't claim then cops, docs, inventors, etc may waste a shot on them when they commute

Then there's the WIFOM of them even telling the truth or even if telling the truth the WIFOM of them being scum

And this is over many many many many games analysis it shows as negative utility

1-Shot Commuters (I know it's surprising) get lynched a lot, cops target them the night they commute and shit and it becomes a real mess after that

[eagerSnake]

I think not wanting to mass claim and the openly opposing it is blatantly anti-town in this situation

VOTE: MoI

[eagerSnake]

You're wrong

Who's wrong?

&& Why is it a bad vote?

[eagerSnake]

eagerSnake - Town Vigilante (Spyro)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop
Leonshade - "My role PM confirms existence of Spyro"
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter

MagnaofIllusion -
Flubbernugget -
SirCakez -
massive -
Infinity 324 -
lane0168 -
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) -

This is where we're at

I know at least that if we do mass claim now that scum will have a difficult time fake claiming, they won't be able to fake claim anything confirmable, and they won't be able to change their claim later, and we can probably turn this into a logic puzzle.