Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It is now Day 1! With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-20 01:23:53).

Spoiler: Pre-Game Post

This game is already making me cry.

The Year of the Dragon was my first and favorite of the whole series <3

In honour of never receiving a single vote and nommed for the Don Corleone(I hope you win that nom), I bestow you with a victor's gift.

VOTE: Magna

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah...I'm going to already take us out of RVS, I'm reading this is a cheeky page 1 scum claim but doing only so because it's "RVS"

VOTE: Elsa

Other head is scum please help me bus thanks.

~Anna

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Elsa and Anna

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So I find a post of yours being what I think is you trying to be cheeky scum and instead of explaining that you do this every game, like the spammer just said, you use it as a reason to vote me?

Normally when someone has an RVS common theme they explain it for clarity if they come under heat for it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also blatant OMGUS but that's self explanatory to anyone reading this.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What made you say this? Can you provide a link because I'm looking at their view topics and after about 5 or so tries of the most current ended games I couldn't find this example.

I mean this is your claim here so I suspect that you can abide by the burden of proof here.

He does that pretty much every gamestart for reactions like these
-CK

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Are you seriously saying trying hard is scummy?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Page 1 you post saying something cheeky, I think it's SCFTWR honestly

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'll show you why I think what I think in a simple hypothetical.

Say we go to post game and for the hypothetical your slot is indeed scum.

You go then to the first page and quote "Hey look I told ya'll she was scum but you didn't listen."
It's done to be sassy/cheeky.


Now, are you saying that it's scummy to ask for clarification on why your partner said that?

What in the fuck is the scum motivation in asking for CLARITY.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

oh so you are intented to push for a policy lynch when someone starts the game selfvoting as town?

Do you do that a lot or is this something you just invented in this game?

asking for clarity would have been something like "I didn't like this. Do you do this type of shit game start a lot?" not that "OH this is obv scum for being cheeky" and "give me hardcore meta if they do that as scum!"

You did the second which feels indeed scum like try hard imo.

#Elsa

Quote where I said the word policy lynch.

Quote where I said give me evidence where they do that "as scum," I asked in generality to see if it was null. <---Important here is context is that when I read and made my post, Spammer did not tell me RC does this every game. Only AFTER the fact, did I ask for proof of this because then I'd know it's null.

Misrep less plz.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You said the reason you find that scummy is that in post game - hypoteticlaly if we were scum we will laugh at you

So yeah thats the definition of suggesting a policy lynch. Isn't it?

I didn't see it as an opportunity to suggest a policy lynch, I saw it as SCFTWR.

and regarding the meta point I wanted to make a point. you asked to find hardcore meta for RC doing that. Thats the scummy part - The "as scum" was not related to my point at all >.>

Nice nitpicking though

#Elsa

P-edit: Thank god for the Preview cuz I was like wtf that's what you said lol

Anyways, reading it as that, go back, with your cup of coffee and read what I said. For more context for ya, I first checked multiple Elsa and Anna games and looked at your RVS and didn't find you saying "my partner is scum." I just started to go research whoever is Frozen Angel when Spammer told me what RC does. I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Even more context for the behavioural part of my play is that it's 2am in EST, I'm tired and didn't feel like doing the bitch work at the moment.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spammer, what other post about Elsa and Anna could I have judged? Also I got us out of RVS before page one even left. There is now content people can analyze and give opinions on what Elsa/Anna said and what I said.

Now, you can add input on it instead of saying it's stupid and that would be appreciated

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The fuck do you think I'm even doing CK? I just spent the last 20 minutes TALKING to Elsa

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well don't say I'm doing stupid shit when I'm doing exactly what you tell me I should be doing instead. It's redundant.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No point in not saying what I see, I see it as whiteknighting

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.

Theres way more info about elsa's alignement to be found by the content they produced than stupid rvs meta
-CK

Basically I caught a wiff of white knighting in this post where he says the reason I'm voting Elsa is "stupid rvs meta."

It's the fact that he used the word "stupid."

Using Ad hom to discredit my accusations on another player.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well don't say I'm doing stupid shit when I'm doing exactly what you tell me I should be doing instead. It's redundant.

lol not really, at the end of your lil discussion you re-ask about the meta thingy which is clearly irrelevant
-ck

The entirety of the discussion was about the meta, how did you expect it not to involve talking about the meta?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

"the meta" was referring to talking about RC's apparent history of saying someone is her scum partner.

P-Edit: I use the top definition on urban dictionary for White knighting.

In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked.

So, yeah, using this definition, I see it as white knighting Elsa.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

READ ALISAE DAMNIT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

In forum parlance, it means

rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't want to include it as the post times between you and Elsa were really close but the first part comes off of where you answer my accusations against Elsa for her saying "oh she does it all the time." By itself, it's no big deal but it adds to the trend of you defending Elsa when she hadn't done anything to prove that she's worth defending.

I couldn't find it so because spammer has obviously seen RC do this before, I ask for where that was.

Theres way more info about elsa's alignement to be found by the content they produced than stupid rvs meta
-CK

I already explained that this post was using Ad hom to discredit my accusations Elsa even tho we were discussing things and producing content.

Theres also the elephan in the room that Rc is a good player and believing anyone can have a correct read on his alignement by the first post in rvs is just not happening
-CK

This part stinks the most IMO. It's the fact that you discredit all possibility of being right before you have the chance to see if it's actually true or not. It's you saying "RC is so good she WOULD NEVER EVER EVER make a post that could even hint as scummy in the beginning of the game. I would NEVER consider the possibility and you're an idiot for thinking so."

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6498806

Post 29, SCFTWR. People can fuck up on RVS really easy, every post matters.

P-Edit: You mean initiate the conversation about why I voted you? You got me who has never played with you, Frozen Angel(?) and RC, or your hydra for that matter and you sign your posts as Elsa and Anna and I somehow have to figure all that out and research RC's meta?

I had literally no information about you two, that hydra, either of your meta's or who was even who. The only thing I COULD do is read the post for what I thought it was worth.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why do I stay up till 3am playing Mafia with work at 7am.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty, well hi! I'm Gin, call me "Gin" or "friendly alcoholic."

As for your identities, now that I feel properly acquainted with the both of you, I'll sleep on it, and reread the thread with actually knowing what is going on.

P-Edit: @Alisae Sweetie.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

And Gin you aren't considering the possibility of being wrong.
IE you're being Arrogant right now
-Ali

Who am I am voting for? OH WAIT NO ONE.

The pure fact that I unvoted shows myself backing off what I think is no longer a valid accusation.

It's like sometimes I can sit back and realize and admit I might be wrong about something

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alrighty, well hi! I'm Gin, call me "Gin" or "friendly alcoholic."

hey Gin!

Why you wanted to know RC meta? because of RC making that post or because of alisae hydra reaction to it?

#Elsa

I only wanted to know about RC's meta when Spammer told me that it was null-meta. Simple fact checking is all.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If anything I came out feeling better about Elsa/Anna than I did coming into this

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You seem to be doing town things

What "things" struck you as town?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Stop being vague. Give me details, what posts stuck out to you as "this town for this reason"

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You said they do things. You don't go into detail. When I talked about the white knighting, I went back and got quotes and pointed out what I found what pinged me. That's going into detail and giving your thoughts on the intentions of players.

So, I'm asking for you to go into detail as in what posts stood out and why.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Explain why, stop speaking in general terms.

You say post 94 is a good post BUT WHY.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

31, 33, 72, 74 you copy and paste the message "looks like scumhunting"

What was it that you saw was scum hunting and what made you think it was genuine?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I want you to explain how her posts are scum hunting. I want YOUR OPINION on WHY you think it is GENUINE scum hunting.

I am not saying I don't know how to judge for myself, I'm asking for your own thoughts so I can judge YOU.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae quit tap dancing around what I'm asking you to do.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Spammers

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're annoyed that I ask you to explain your reads?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No, I'm annoyed because so far you have shown
A. Arrogant play with your push on E&A
B. Asking people to explain obvious things.
C. You seem really difficult to work with because of your arrogance.

I can ask you why all day, does it get me anywhere?
No, not really.
-Ali

This is what I'm looking for, not blanket statements.

No matter what seems obvious, realize not everyone thinks exactly like you. You will always have one person scum read something for what another person town reads the same thing. The ability to explain what you think and how you came to that conclusion is paramount in the game of Mafia.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well Esla, a refusal to cooperate and lots of tap dancing around actually putting in work when asked for why they believe what they do.

I'll be able to explain it more when I can not phone post but there is just something that feels off about the slot as a whole and the way Alisae has been treating me makes me uncomfortable. Alisae is very emotional but a happy go lucky bouncy type of person and it just feels like her posting tone didn't represent the Alisae I've come to familiarize myself with(context in that every game so far she has apparently been town).

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm pretty sure my RVS was the most self explanatory post in the RVS stage. First in spoilers it was labeled pre-game and then I said I RVS voted you because of your nom. What's the point in asking an essentially rhetorical question?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm pretty sure my RVS was the most self explanatory post in the RVS stage. First in spoilers it was labeled pre-game and then I said I RVS voted you because of your nom. What's the point in asking an essentially rhetorical question?

It's not rhetorical. There is not point to making an RVS post if there was already evidence in thread that at the time you thought justified a non-RVS vote. In fact you specifically went out of your way to say you were moving us from RVS.

Cry me a fucking river, loosen up, if you seriously think doing that is AI then spill it or I'm not engaging

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's like sometimes I can sit back and realize and admit I might be wrong about something

Is this what you are doing? Admiting that you were/are wrong?

Well considering I went from think E/A was cheeky scum to town lean, yeah that about sums it up

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My biggest weakness as town is I'm buddied really fucking easy. On mobile but go to my view topics and Micro Vanillish. I was IC and Pine led me to a loss so hard.

So with that being established, I'd like it if you actually tell me what you agree with or why you are okay with just going with whatever I said. I'm not accusing you of buddying I just get paranoid about these things.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey so TheRealGin-n-Tonic and I are neighbours

Both and call me Gin.

Also not using the hood until I can treat it like a masonry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: Gin

Going on about the hydra joke thing is just no

Someone didn't read the thread lmao

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So how was it garbage? I mean we literally hashed out all the details about it. I don't know what's not to get

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Not_Mafia: "Your first vote and the first serious vote in the game was garbage for page 1, it's ground for a lynch."

Read that, read your vote, read this again, and then unvote.

I'll be perfectly happy with a vote on me that actually makes sense but yours is a shoddy vote park so you don't have to actually explain shit

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

How so? Explain why only scum would do it and you would never think a townie would ever do it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well explain how you think I'm scum. This game concept shouldn't be foreign to people I swear.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You said it was nonsense, if you read the thread you can come to the conclusion that I firmly believed in what I voted on. I don't get what about it was nonsensical given the condition that I had no information

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If you had no information why make a vote based on information?

I'm going to cry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

No because cutting through your bulshit is about the same as cutting onions

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WHY IS IT SCUMMY TO START PRODUCING ACTUAL CONTENT NF?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It is apparently scummy to base a serious vote out of what little information you already have in RVS to try and create actual discussion and have posts people can actually form opinions on.

Fuck me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

And ending RVS too early is bad and an excellent way to stall a game as scum

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's almost like I said I wouldn't use the neighborhood until I could treat it like a masonry to avoid exactly that issue

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What is 'The Fear'?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Wow this is an easy game.

VOTE: Sircakez

That's scum.

I'm excited

If I could describe what's about to happen, I'd say these two are about to become star-crossed lovers.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why do you like to discredit literally everything in RVS like it doesn't actually matter?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

accusing someone of something in RVS in anything is apparently stupid. That's what it feels like you're saying.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

{Leon}

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What just happened?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're being annoying. seriously shut up or be useful.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Ya see, my votes going towards Not_Mafia because he's doing jack all besides utterly inexcusable accusations and shit posting.

If not there, it's going to Spammers.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

the post above me is a good post. I like it. Remind me to give thoughts on it after E/A answers

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I feel the same way about Alisae sometimes but no matter our alignment, I've come to the philosophy that I want to teach, I don't wish to bash on players, but help them grow.

It is better to grow the community into becoming good posters by trying to work with them(granted may be difficult if alignments are different but look past that).

No seriously it needs to start being done because I'm going to tell you straight, scum me fucking loves people that say they hate a player or want to policy lynch them, wanna know why? They're fucking easy to push for mislynches.

The more you openly wish a players death regardless of alignment, it just gives the scum team an easier time pulling the strings of the game and tip the scale in our favor.

So stop bashing and try to help, no matter how frustrating it might seem.

Also I'll say it before someone else does

"OHA MY GERDDD!!!11112!! HESA SCUM FOR LAMIST POSTING. LYNCHCEEE."

but I digress.


You could always answer 295 of Flubber as that looked like actual discussion.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I do not recall a time where I took your advice or read and something came into fruition because of it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

After D1 I gave fuck all about that game. For reasons I wish not to mention on that thread, I'm not exactly...proud of it.


Although yes, Alisae, I know you play as lynchbait but seriously, after so many games of you as town, scum you is bound to happen and I'm never going to put you in a box saying you're lynchbait. It's a shoddy excuse and I will always tear you a new one until I can see you being town for real.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Meta is only allowed to be used after a scum game and a town game have been played.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So provide me a scum game or I will not meta you.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why do you have a problem with someone scum reading you?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's okay for you to try hard but you give me shit for it...

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Don't worry, go ahead and find double standards in people but don't exclude yourself from that fucking list.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Still miffed about it but I'm not going to further build a tangent on your interactions with Flubbs

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

"Hey, why aren't you guys scum reading me"
Why should we scum read you?
"because I'm always scum read, at least usually"
Well you've done nothing so far, what have you done
"I made some notes but not in game"
Let's see those notes
"nahhhhh"
you sure?
"yeahhhhhh'
seriously?
"nahhhhhh"
could you please?
"nahhhh"
just a couple
"sureeeee"
"gives 2 notes about things already hashed out"
Those have been said before
"yeahhhhhhh"
You got any more notes?
"nahhhhhhh"
That's scummy, why?
"grandmaaaaaaaa"
bullshit
"Wifom i'm scum or nahhhh"
That's worth a vote/dayvig
"nahhhhhh"


That's you ya twit.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Unofficial VC as of post 415
Massive [1] - Ælla Was Spine
Not_Mafia [1] - TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Leonshade [1] - RagingSpammers
SirCakez [2] - Elsa and Anna, Not_Mafia
RagingSpammers [3] - lane0168, MagnaofIllusion, massive
Elsa and Anna [1] - Flubbernugget, eagerSnake
eagerSnake [1] - LeonShade

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

gun to head Snake is town. I've done shit like saying I'd give a detailed reads list and not actually do it, get shit for it and mislynched D1. While not the same scenario, I know it can actually come from town.

I personally think it's NAI whether he has notes or not but it's better to ask him to in real time about what he thinks. Gets rid of the excuse of deleted notes and IRL interactions are where scum are the weakest at.

So basically, snake is a strange town lean and Elsa is pushing something that feels really scummy to someone that's never seen it happen.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I didn't clarify on that strange town lean.

It's strange because I seriously seriously want to vote him, but there's like a little spot in the back of my mind saying no.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My thought: That's cool, but I don't feel like sharing my notes right now as I feel like scum will use them to manipulate, and I don't know if you're scum or not yet

This is fucking stupid

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

nah

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm starting to feel like lynching lynch bait when they call themselves lynchbait so they have an incentive to stop being lynchbait.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Stop purposefully playing like shit and then saying you're lynchbait.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm starting to feel like lynching lynch bait when they call themselves lynchbait so they have an incentive to stop being lynchbait.

Stop purposefully playing like shit and then saying you're lynchbait.

How do you know it's purposeful?
Either way being willing to lynch lynch bait just because they want to play like lynch bait is baaaaaaaaaad.
You're scummy for attacking their playstyle.
-Ali

If a playstyle is scummy, then that leads to the conclusion that I vote what's scummy.

If you keep dying D1 because you're shit, you soon learn to get your act together.

VOTE: eagerSnake

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

no seriously, take for example that Large Normal we played together, I felt so fucking bad after being mislynched D1 that I did my very best to improve myself.

If you reward bad behaviour than what you receive is a growth in bad behaviour.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

Like this post is fucking stupid coming from town and I don't see why you would say it.

Why does someone want to be scum read? That's not town motivated to want yourself be a person lynched.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Because according to your reads list I'm the scummiest person here

also [wifom]If i were scum it would've been much easier for me to ignore/disengage or even make up some "notes" rather than say I didn't have any which is obviously scummy when I said I did. But I'm not scum so I just tell the truth about what happened and see if I can form any reads around that convo.[/wifom]

Also deliberate wifom, it obscures clarity more than it does help game solve.

Purposefully harming accurate reads and causing chaos.

Actually according to you, this post should be vote worthy because he's creating chaos/paranoia about his own slot

So, scumhunting is done by determining who is oppertunistic towards lynches, who slips information they shouldn't have,

and who's trying to plant paranoia in the town

So, why aren't you voting him Alisae? Afterall this is your literal definition of scum hunting, using it I caught scum.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't believe it for a god damn second

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

For me to not let a Vig claim live Day 1 would be one of the greatest sins I could commit.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Seriously Gin.
Pretty sure he softed vig by now
You need me to point out the soft?
Really Gin? Cause it was obvious
Obvious as all fucking hell.

Come on Gin.
Can't you see that stuff?

VOTE: Snakey
-Ali

Why did you give me a bunch of shit for wanting to lynch snake and then once he claims a town power role you vote him?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Seriously Gin.
Pretty sure he softed vig by now
You need me to point out the soft?
Really Gin? Cause it was obvious
Obvious as all fucking hell.

Come on Gin.
Can't you see that stuff?

VOTE: Snakey
-Ali

Why did you give me a bunch of shit for wanting to lynch snake and then once he claims a town power role you vote him?

I thought you got what I was trying to convey, no?

nope

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU FAKE A COUNTERCLAIM

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

YOU ARE SO FUCKING IRRITATING TO PLAY WITH SOMETIMES

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: RagingSpammer

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

are you mocking my sanity in this game?

QFT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

why the fuck would anyone notice that shit?

whats the fucking meaning of that test? what were you testing exactly?

why the fuck would not noticing it mean town?

are you mocking my sanity in this game?

#Elsa

A. Why wouldn't scum pay attention to detail?
B. I wanted to see who was paying attention to detail.
C. Town are more likely to notice detail less then scum, but you could also consider experience.
D. Not really.
-Ali

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

LET ME FAKE A COUNTERCLAIM ON A TOWN POWER ROLE AND MIGHT ACCIDENTALLY GET HIM LYNCHED AND GO WHOOPS REACTION TEST BITCHES

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm so tired of Alisae's shit. The reaction tests and the lynchbait name calling.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

inb4 she says I'm scum attacking her playstyle.

Fuck me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm playing this game because Spyro is my childhood and for TTH.

You are merely but a coincidence that you are in this game.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're a D2 double voter?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cool, double voters are town or scum, role !AI.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cool, double voters are town or scum, role !=AI.

EBWOP

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

UNVOTE:

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm hating the RS slot because I can never tell if I'm actually seeing scum or just their normal PL play...

I'm starting to think of the theory that Alisae will actually not be blatantly scummy for her first scum game. I'm going into the consideration that if she is lynchbait, when Alisae rolls scum, she'll be extra careful because of her reputation of always being run up. It's weird but I think what I'm trying to say is that the recklessness comes from town and a scum!Alisae, we would find more cautious.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

pro-hawks ISO sucks

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Holy F - When did this game start?

Anyone want to tell me the reason why this post was worth making? Especially considering a PM about day start was given. Also with the daystart PM being only 8 hours difference from when he made his post to when the PM was sent.

The post reads as useless and fake given the conditions that it was made under.

Rc starts a lot of games accusing someone to be their scum partner to find a scum like you - attacking back

Can you point to a game where this has happened? - Specifically where scum attacked RC for starting the game in a similar manner.

why does verifying that meta matter actually?

I want to know if this is real, or just a knee-jerk reaction to "RC does this all the time". - This I do not doubt.

What I doubt is that RC was town doing this while scum - specifically scum attacked her for it.

These two questions, I'm actually at a loss as for why he asked them because he didn't do anything with the questions. He asked the questions to just ask something.

It's like sometimes I can sit back and realize and admit I might be wrong about something

Is this what you are doing? Admiting that you were/are wrong?

This furthers what I just said above. This question is not one that is used to see if something is AI. It did nothing and again, it's a question that looks fake, one that you would say to fake being productive.

Super duper behind, will dedicate time tonight.

The beloved catch up posters. TwoFace in mini nor-1862, played catch up, Large Normal 200, Wraith played catch up, etc.

My memory still serves me blank from a town catch up poster. Catch up posting is really an excuse to lurk the thread, judge the opinion of the crowd and spit out ideas that have been hashed out so people agree with "your reads" when really you fake them based off of what they like.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I was getting town vibes from those questions ProHawk, mainly because he asked for something that was a little more specific than just seeing RC's scum game

Did people ask for RC's games before he made this post?

The answer is yes

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Gin good find on ProHawk, I hadn't been paying attention to him. He should say what the point of all of those questions were.

Gin I think that was a good find. People like that usually get overlooked easily, as more talkative lynchbaity people get hammered down on, and they are quite often scum. It's actually very awkward posting when I look at it.

I really don't feel like it actually means anything but it's so fucking weird how these two posts are so damn similar.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Good find Gin. Prohawk was flying under my radar. But when you put it that way... I'll wait for him to answer

HO MY GOD

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So you have people as town but can't find people that are scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

That's like. Easy to find people that are town when you know they're town but when you also know they're not scum...it gets harder

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I can't say I haven't done what you just said before.

ALTHOUGH, I still had scum reads that I had to hash out in order to find out who was actually townie when I did that.

So, yes I know exactly what you're talking about but finding posts scummy is still a thing. If nothing pings you, that's a problem.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

not a single post pinged you as a scum post?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

;larejgo'jrn

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Unofficial VC.2 as of post 629

Massive

[1] - Ælla Was Spine

SirCakez

[2] - Not_Mafia

RagingSpammers

[4] - lane0168, MagnaofIllusion, massive, LeonShade

Elsa and Anna

[1] - Flubbernugget

Ælla Was Spine

[2] - SirCakez, RagingSpammers

ProHawk

[1] - eagerSnake

Spoiler: Previous Unofficial VC.1

Unofficial VC as of post 415
Massive [1] - Ælla Was Spine
Not_Mafia [1] - TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Leonshade [1] - RagingSpammers
SirCakez [2] - Elsa and Anna, Not_Mafia
RagingSpammers [3] - lane0168, MagnaofIllusion, massive
Elsa and Anna [1] - Flubbernugget, eagerSnake
eagerSnake [1] - LeonShade

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

not a single post pinged you as a scum post?

To confirm, do you concur that I can say you don't have a single read of a post that you find scummy?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think my vote can best be summed up as a blood rage.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

not a single post pinged you as a scum post?

To confirm, do you concur that I can say you don't have a single read of a post that you find scummy?

There are things here and there that I noted, I think MoI's argument with Elsa was kind of dumb and I didn't see why he was harping on it


Massive's vote on RS didn't look too good to me either, like RS mentioned earlier


Other than that nah

This honesty feels townie to me

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Town
{eagerSnake, lane0168}
{RagingSpammers, Leonshade
{Elsa and Anna}
{Ælla Was Spine}
Null {Not_Mafia, Flubbernugget, massive}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
{ProHawk}
Scum

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

There are things here and there that I noted, I think MoI's argument with Elsa was kind of dumb and I didn't see why he was harping on it


Massive's vote on RS didn't look too good to me either, like RS mentioned earlier


Other than that nah

It's the blatant honesty in this post.

It's obvious I'm giving him shit for it so a scum mentality would to be looking back at the game and work a case on someone and tell me some scum hunting stuff.

It's the fact that he admits that he hasn't found anyone scummy just feels genuine to me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Oh, i'm an idiot one second

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

This was your third post and your first two posts were RVS and fluff respectively, why did you consider it necessary to comment on your lack of attention?

First quote I found, the tone was neutral but also this was a very alignment orientated question.

The reason being is that this question is asking for your motivation as to why you did something. Quite honestly I'd ask the same question so I can see the town motivation in asking it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

My Spammers vote is now a serious one. Snake sees more interested in talking about himself than anyone else, I want to figure out whether that's his style or whether he's hiding behind it.

Last one I'll quote but this furthers his investigations of alignment hunting and shows that his first question was actually contributing to his read and wasn't asked to just be asked for fluff.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

scum are the people I don't think about.

Scums job is to be ignored and have other people be the prime focus.

So on D1, I hold onto the philosophy that if I'm not worrying about you, you're probably scum. Hence why I did my analysis on ProHawk.

After D1 though I throw it away because everything after the fact deals with associations and VCAs and requires a different skill set.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... nd_Caution

Your reads will never be perfect, so you should never hold the arrogance in assuming they are. Nor should you let yourself present your reads that way, because it's a good way to get others to justifiably ignore your reads.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

It's just me being modest lol

Anyways I looked over at massive's ISO and I concur with my own read. Only thing that concerns me is that it's the similar type of content produced by ProHawk.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: ProHawk

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Well yes, but it makes me doubt my hawk read if they both show it. It's personal wifom doubt.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I haven't even hardly been playing.

QFT

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Generally you interact with what's going on. Ya know, real time interactions.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So I'm assuming you've read the thread ProHawk?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Read the thread, give me your thoughts, and push someone you think is scum.

Also answer why you asked the questions that you did and the purpose of asking them.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Large Normal 200, Wraith played catch up

It's almost like the post you responded too I gave an example of a Large normal.

lolz

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Second if you want to go find evidence, go look in any completed large game with a ton of activity.

Large Normal 200, Wraith played catch up

It's almost like the post you responded too I gave an example of a Large normal.

lolz

For more context, Wraith was scum that game

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

@MOD Please replace me due to IRL not having enough time to dedicate to this game

Let it be stated that replacing out is not alignment indicative.


Although dibs on wanting Mastina here.

I'll be waiting on the replacement, which will hopefully be Mastina

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

which will hopefully be Mastina

btw this is just myself being selfish as my favorite person on this site is Mastina :p

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Let's say it again

Let it be stated that replacing out is not alignment indicative.

I'm still scumreading the slot but replacing out is not AI, it shouldn't be AI. It should be indicative of whether a person will have fun that game or not.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

which will hopefully be Mastina

btw this is just myself being selfish as my favorite person on this site is Mastina :p

Fuckin fan boy
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
jk you're just hoping a friend joins
hehe
-Ali

You don't understand, if we have a town!Mastina, not only will we have a power duo, we'll have gamesolve D1 GG EZ.

Also you're posting has started improving.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Do you have a problem with the current building wagon on ProHawk's slot?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Tell me what I'm supposed to get from that?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

The OP doesn't say so, only way for them to have day talk is with an encryptor flip

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Obviously the mod can't answer that question lol

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I actually don't want Mastina to come in the thread now because she'll kill me N1 ;~;

P-Edit: @Cakez, I know you dont want to vote an empty slot but how does that condition make one town or scum? Considering there was actually discussion held before that?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I derped on that.
my bad.
silly ol me thought "but when the replacement replaces in, they feel pressure..." or something along those lines.
hehe I'm so silly...
-Ali

This tone feels fake

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I shoot myself to end this fucking semester.
I have to read a book tonight, study for a calc exam, prepare for a lab and a chem exam. GO ME

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm allowed to find things you say scummy sweetie. Get over it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If you go under the assertion that you are lynchbait, you concede to constantly getting scum read. They're not mutually exclusive terms

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You realize every time I call you scum or do something scum you spit rhetoric that goes along the lines that I might be scum for scum reading you, you realize that right?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You're using it as a threat.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Are you saying town can't use it as a threat as well?
Why is that scummy Gin.
-Ali

That right there is worth a vote oh boy

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

"If you don't comply I will advocate for your death"

Ya know, threats, blackmail, things of that sort are generally held in the standard of criminals. Criminals are the scum of the earth.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You talking about earlier that RS isn't doing well under pressure?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I like talking to you right now, you're my focus as of the moment.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8643788

You post different than you do here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Prove that I'm somehow scum sweetie

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Logically tell me how threatening to lynch someone because they think a slot could be scum is town motivated

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You know how easy you are to vote right?

No one would give me shit for lynching you. D1 could have ended a long freaking time ago and no one would have thought any different.

You're not a slot I would have to tip toe or dance around in what I'd want to lynch on or not. You'd either be pocketed or dead.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm not done with Alisae yet

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae, you say I'm scum when I ask you questions and then do shit in the thread and say I'm town. Explain why you flip flop so much yet hold me to a standard where I'm not allowed to flip back and forth on my read on you?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: Posts you make that give an alignment judgment about me

I personally think you're both town.
You seem to be doing town things and Gin backing off there looks townish.
-Ali

Fully read up, don't see myself moving my vote today, Gin's vote was garbage and I'd like to not have to deal with any neighbour wifom down the line

So how was it garbage? I mean we literally hashed out all the details about it. I don't know what's not to get

Not_Mafia: "Your first vote and the first serious vote in the game was garbage for page 1, it's ground for a lynch."

Read that, read your vote, read this again, and then unvote.

I'll be perfectly happy with a vote on me that actually makes sense but yours is a shoddy vote park so you don't have to actually explain shit

It's nonsense scum jump on

How so? Explain why only scum would do it and you would never think a townie would ever do it.

I didn't say never, I just think you're scum

I like this interaction. Makes me somewhat like Gin more and like NM less.

NM explain to me why Gin is scum, because I'm clearly not seeing it.
-Ali

Well I just provided that to say that my methods DO work.
What makes you think I'm trying to find a way to make up an excuse for bad play? Why can't I just be reminding you of how I play?
Like that post of yours really makes me think "Aw man, is Gin trying to find an excuse to keep on trying to push as a mislynch?"
-Ali

Yeah Gin is town.
UNVOTE:
I was trying to see if he payed attention to what I was trying to do and if he was scum I think he would have latched onto Snakey at that point.
-Ali

Gin i like that post, I wanna see what the response is (or lack of reponse) before I comment on it.
mkay?
-Ali

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8643788

You post different than you do here.

Oh yeah, I sure did change a lot from that game compared to my recently finished Large Normal 200.
I SUUUUUUUUUUURE DID Gin.
-Ali

pedit: Gin I just think you're scum for tiptoeing and dancing around our slot.

You love to say I'm town but call me scum because I pressure you. My perspective in this that it doesn't make sense.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

THIS IS TIP TOEING AND DANCING OH MY GOD

Part of me agrees, part of me disagrees.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Stop accusing me of scummy shit and then doing it >.>

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Note to self: Gin tried to use meta against me to make me look worse when he said earlier that meta is only applied when there is a scumgame to compare it too.

I like this post

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

You said you weren't done with me?

I'd like you to take me to a night on the town and tell me who you want to talk about.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Anything you want discussed or talked about, we'll talk about it. Tell me what's been nagging at you and want other opinions on it.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

He accused you of trying to not answer questions in 110 but 3 minutes later you made a post, 112, talking about exactly what about what he accused you of not doing.

Given that he made that post over a 100 posts after the event happened, if he was reading the thread then surely he wouldn't have missed that part.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Other flaws is that he never explained what "The Fear" was when he was asked.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

VOTE: massive

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Found a reason to vote you without fact checking? yes

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Cakez and slippery and I honestly think his catch up post near the beginning was shit

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

There are things here and there that I noted, I think MoI's argument with Elsa was kind of dumb and I didn't see why he was harping on it


Massive's vote on RS didn't look too good to me either, like RS mentioned earlier


Other than that nah

It's the blatant honesty in this post.

It's obvious I'm giving him shit for it so a scum mentality would to be looking back at the game and work a case on someone and tell me some scum hunting stuff.

It's the fact that he admits that he hasn't found anyone scummy just feels genuine to me.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Hey so TheRealGin-n-Tonic and I are neighbours

Both and call me Gin.

Also not using the hood until I can treat it like a masonry

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If you have a question look at my ISO, I'm literally answering questions that I've already done by quoting my own ISO.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Considering that they haven't posted since Friday, we can come to the conclusion that my read hasn't changed

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I'm pretty sure my RVS was the most self explanatory post in the RVS stage. First in spoilers it was labeled pre-game and then I said I RVS voted you because of your nom. What's the point in asking an essentially rhetorical question?

It's not rhetorical. There is not point to making an RVS post if there was already evidence in thread that at the time you thought justified a non-RVS vote. In fact you specifically went out of your way to say you were moving us from RVS.

Cry me a fucking river, loosen up, if you seriously think doing that is AI then spill it or I'm not engaging

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Context is that he never explained how it was AI, hence why I stopped engaging.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

massive is a low content poster - compulsive lurker who I read wrong before both times I played with and I don't trust myself reading him at all.

#Elsa

Please don't have this be an excuse to not give a read on him

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also, my activity will severely drop in the next couple of days due to myself having to do the exam grind. Thursday morning-ish I should be able to make valid content, otherwise i'm skimposting content

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Wow this is an easy game.

VOTE: Sircakez

That's scum.

I'm excited

If I could describe what's about to happen, I'd say these two are about to become star-crossed lovers.

I redact what I said, possibility of this being scum theatre, discuss cuz they never actually did.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Can someone tell me the benefit of telling not Mafia my flavor in the neighborhood chat when I told him I won't use it unless I can use it as a masonry?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't get the point of trying to fish for information privately while doing nothing in the thread.

Also I find it strange that NF will claim he hates neighborhoods but starts to role fish with he hates

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Yeah pretty much, once I told him no he asked me what the big deal was about not saying flavor. I'll say it once I'll say it again, I'm not using a hood until I can treat it like a masonry.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

What is the neccesity and what is the gain from "knowing if your flavor matches up with mine?"

There is no real gain.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

So if either of us could be lying knowing either of us could have fake claims ready, the point of asking is?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

neighborhoods are potentially one of the greatest weapons when used by either alignment. Two town and you got yourself a town weapon but a town/scum and you're begging to be manipulated behind the scenes.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I don't fucking trust you, that's my point. Your start in the game was absolute shit and you pushed things that made not one iota of sense and you expect me to trust you.

No, that's fucking stupid.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae is town. No matter how much that slot annoys me, it will be town. If I suggest otherwise, please show me this quote.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Also NotMafia

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Meanwhile Elsa is some kind of friendly neighbor?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Spoiler: Posts I found regarding the claim

Thats totally cool by me

You will just remove a wifomy slot (too good to be true), confirm yourself and I will rest in peace knowing I'm in one less mafia game and colser to my retirement day

I'm zoe , town friendly neighbor (massenger) - you have the gun so you force people to claim.

shrugs!

show me your accuracy

I never misvigged in my past 50 games on MS and a lot of games out of it the only time I had investigative (a tracker) I got double guilties in row

I never got mislynched in a day beside lylo - and the honor was massive's. the only other time that I got lynched (and I was scum) RC used an RL tell. Thats the total summery of my lynch status.

Now. why in the fucking earth anyone as shit as you are dare to criticize my game play? I'm retirying for a good reason.

#Elsa

Because Friendly Neighbor means your claim gets auto-resolved by tomorrow by linking your fate to someone else. However the tagged on Messenger at the end makes me want clarification – you are claiming the traditional Wiki Friendly Neighbor role, correct?

I am Zoe the messenger

its what written in role pm

the rest of role pm describes "frinedly neighbour" who can send an anonymous message to someone else over night.

#Elsa

>.>

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... y_Neighbor

yeah

During Dota Mafia design reallo told a wrong name for this role to me then, I was using this shit for a long time now >.>

We are a messenger - the role that sends a message but won't confirm us directly.

#Elsa

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Meh, I mean if it's a friendly neighbor, she either dies tonight or someone gets a message that they're indeed a friendly neighbor. It's worthy of at least a D1 pass.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

you know whats funnier than 15 pages overnight ? Me no being able to put time in this game tonight cause im seeing a grill
-ck

Is it a George Foreman?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Town
{eagerSnake, RagingSpammers}
{lane0168 ,Not_Mafia, Leonshade}
{Ælla Was Spine, Elsa and Anna}
{}
Null {, Flubbernugget, massive}
{SirCakez, MagnaofIllusion}
{ProHawk}
Scum

Needs Review on placement:

lane, Leon
*Any on/under null*

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

HEY INFINITY!

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Elsa, why do you think he's scum?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Sup I'm town

The dude clearly just said he's town

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Vote Count 1.3

massive [1] - Ælla Was Spine

massive [2] - eagerSnake, TheRealGin-N-Tonic

There are two massive wagons on the vote count lol

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I think that if you say that we're playing the same you are going to get autolynched because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that's a lie.

That doesn't make us town or scum, that just is what it is.

VOTE: E&A

That's an overly aggressive response

And I just said I read up to page 6 so ???

He's actually correct in judging your tone here

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

I suspected you on your first post sweetie and you know shit like this can come from town. I concur completely that jumping the gun on a one vote is seriously, well to quote you.

That's sketch.

P-EDIT: FUCKING WOW