Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[JarJarDrinks]

Not to mention: HE HAS ONE SINGLE VOTE ON HIM RIGHT NOW.

If he was truly trying to bait a night kill, WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE CLAIM BP RIGHT NOW?

seriously, someone explain that to me.

[Transcend]

IMO one scum in:
Grendel
Akarin *
Rautherdir
Lil Uzi Vert
RadiantCowbells

And two in:
JarJarDrinks
Cooperative Sheep Soumil07
Keyser Söze
Vifam
mattblackguy

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

[Transcend]

Now taking out my townreads/leans

1 in:
Akarin
Rautherdir

2 in:
Cooperative Sheep
Keyser Soze
Vifam

[Transcend]

Actually taking out Grendel was a gamble but the rest that I took out, I'm relatively confident are town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

That makes' no sense. It's not if they try to kill you

twice

.

If you're town and keep up the "some type of cop" charade and you don't get lynched, then there's a pretty good chance you bait a kill. Like that's supposedly the whole purpose of your fakeclaim in the first place. Getting me to "calm the fuck down" is a ridiculous reason.

[Transcend]

JJD:

[mattblackguy]

Dude, but Jar is making a lot of sense though.

[JarJarDrinks]

Thanks. I'm allergic to peanuts. You just killed me.

[Transcend]

Actually I am too



Better?

[Keyser Söze]

I promise to give this game 48 hours more commitment.

If it remains an anti-town game it is a waste of my time and town's time.

I was disgusted with that hammer.

[Transcend]

^ faux rage ^

[Pine]

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm out for the evening. I trust Keyser to restore sanity.

[Transcend]

everything appears to be pretty sane here lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I think that getting you to calm the fuck down and leave me alone is more valuable than the slim chance that scum try to nightkill me twice.

That makes' no sense. It's not if they try to kill you

twice

.

If you're town and keep up the "some type of cop" charade and you don't get lynched, then there's a pretty good chance you bait a kill. Like that's supposedly the whole purpose of your fakeclaim in the first place. Getting me to "calm the fuck down" is a ridiculous reason.

If I bait 1 kill all I do is waste scums night and don't actually get us a mislynch.

The cop is dead there's no huge value to my role anymore.

[Rautherdir]

Posting to say a few things:
I can't access a computer right now.
Gerry's reaction to RC's claim now makes sense.
I also now believe RC is town.
Transcend, Vifam, you didn't even let Akarin post. I mean seriously, you could have at least waited a day or so at L-1 to get a claim from Gerry.

I'm narrowing down my lynch pool to Transcend and Vifam today, barring an extremely good argument for lynching RC.

[mattblackguy]

If I bait 1 kill all I do is waste scums night and don't actually get us a mislynch.

The cop is dead there's no huge value to my role anymore.

So what was the point in keeping up the "Im still a cop" charade at the start of day 2? If there's no value to your role then what was the purpose of that?

[Transcend]

^ faux rage ^

pedit @rauth

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean there's still value in wasting a nightkill. But if JJD is going to flip his shit at me I might as well come clean and try to get town on the same page.

[Grendel]

@Keyser

Even though I won't be joining the wagon I must admit it is the optimum info lynch based on the interactions so far this game.

No early hammer gentlemen.

I'd like to hear some of your conclusions.

You seemed to have some thoughts pending the flip.

[Grendel]

Posting to say a few things:
I can't access a computer right now.
Gerry's reaction to RC's claim now makes sense.
I also now believe RC is town.
Transcend, Vifam, you didn't even let Akarin post. I mean seriously, you could have at least waited a day or so at L-1 to get a claim from Gerry.

I'm narrowing down my lynch pool to Transcend and Vifam today, barring an extremely good argument for lynching RC.

...

Would a Scum!Ruath be so ballzy as to utilize the strategy a scum Grendel employed in his last game with Ruath?

[Grendel]

Now taking out my townreads/leans

1 in:
Akarin
Rautherdir

2 in:
Cooperative Sheep
Keyser Soze
Vifam

Why are you suspicious of Keyser?

[Grendel]

This is old now but I still feel it merits a response.

I can see the Grendel wagon faltering, I tend to feel it's faltering due to his burst of activity, which doesn't fully appease me as I'd like to see him respond to some of my thoughts, and it really was just a quick burst of activity rather than a quick burst of town seeming activity. All he did was pretty much attack the people attacking him, which is alignment null in my opinion, so I'm quite content to leave my own vote there and see if/how he responds to my questions.

Spoiler:

I don't understand the purpose of my wagon.

For instance I noticed a lack of "Grendel is scum comments".

That'd suggest that my wagon is supposed to be for pressure. Whats off though is that given that there are other players out that that have garnered actual suspicion my wagon just seems like... an excuse? The very same people on my wagon have proclaimed other players as scummy, but opted to pressure vote me instead. So, why are ppl so afraid to vote their scum reads?

I seem to recall Kiser being the only one actually suspicious of my slot. I don't recall the same for the rest. :/

Not to mention that there has been zero resistance to my wagon.

The purpose for your wagon would be pressure and to see what happens - also, it's not like I town read you, and I do town read someone voting you. Is it really that strange of a wagon to you? This feels like a very normal strategy and not something surprising or unusual.

I agree there has been very little resistance to your wagon - I'm not sure I care to come all the way along the primrose path you'd like to have laid out in that regard, especially with your choice of the other hot topic wagon option for your vote, but I do agree with the statement.

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Calling me garrulous was... gratuitous

I think pressure wagons aren’t all there made out to be. When the majority has no logic and/or reason behind their vote the wagoned person knows they aren’t going to be lynched. Or if they were lynched then it was done in poor taste.

I was originally interested in Gerry before RC vs Gerry occurred. I generally like to have open reasoning out for critiques before voting. Saying that i voted my counter wagon, _just_ because it was my counter wagon is unfair. Also people had reservations about Gerry, and i probably could have done as well pushing Ruath instead.

If I had to put money on it Id say RC is town, I dont wanna lynch Gerry or RC today tho

Why do you not want to lynch Gerry? He seems a perfectly fine lynch option.

I don't really see the Keyser love, but neither do I have an issue with the play from that slot so...I

kinda tend to expect him to be town

and at least one of the fanboi's to be scum sheeping him.
I see RC as town.
I'd be happy to lynch Gerry.
I also am not overly fond of Alisae or Vifam and would consider them secondary scum reads at this stage.
I don't share the Rauth dislike, he's a clear newb so pointing out a newbtown or newbscum issue with him is a bit like telling me grass is green. IIoA ahoy!

In the spirit of the purpose of this alt;

Vote: Grendel

Gives piece meal statements about Gerry being a good wagon then votes Grendel b/c, " lol, Its my flavor"

Has a null read on Keyser. Which means that Sheep is sheeping a null read, while ignoring a wagon started by a town read (RC) on a slot he thinks is a good lynch (Gerry).

Huh.

Bolded something you might have missed - hope that helps.
With the revelation that I stated a town read on Keyser - how does that affect/not affect your stance as softly presented here?

Prefacing it with “I Don’t get the strong town reads”, along with the usage of both “Kinda tend”, made me think the “town read” was weak enough to assume that he was null. You hamming it up to be a strong town read looks like an exaggeration. Did you go on to reference Seyser as more then kinda sorta town read before I made the above posts?

Sheep's vote was the turning point for my wagon's pick up.

Yay/Nay?

Yay - it's not even a question, it was the obvious tip point. Now, from that observation, what conclusion do you draw?

Well you were in my scum reads weren’t you?

I thought you were scum trying move attention away from Gerry!scum. Trying to get a new wagon up before people started viewing Gerry as suspicious and voting him, vs when they were just verbalising that Gerry was sort of scummy.

The above within the concept that Gerry is scum, naturally.

I really dislike how they keep batting about their potential scum reads, meanwhile voting somebody who isn't even mentioned as a tertiary scum read.

It doesn't make any sense.

Why doesn't it make sense? I am unaware of having a pre defined meta of aggro tunnel on Day 1, so exploring other lynch options seems perfectly reasonable.
If I had said 'I suspect Grendel because my strongest town read is voting him, so I'll sheep' would that have abolished your stated issue? (because...well, I kinda did say exactly that) and if it doesn't abolish your issue, why not?

No, you did not make clear that you preferred Keyser over RC. I was sure that RC was the stronger read between the two, and why i thought it was scummy for you to sheep the one that looked like a null read. IF it was clear that you had Keyser as your top town read then I would have not have been as critical of you.

I’m not sure where a stand on you, currently. I can’t help but feel that you have been manipulative. That behind your woolly façade there is some real scum intent. But my biggest reason for suspecting you is defunct with Gerry flipping town. Right now I can’t find enough to substantiate my gut feeling. I don't know if that means you are town, or if there is something I’m missing.

[Grendel]

Ill answer this too

I'm probably voting Gerry since I already had a mild suspicion on his slot.

What do you mean by "already" ? Like you suspected him before RC started to push him? If so, what were u suspicious about?

My initial reasons were that he shut down the Mattblk wagon along with Viafam. He also discouraged people from developing early town reads, which is a scum tell on my home site.

I wanted to engage him and matt, before i voted, becuase i didn’t consider the above reasons to be enough for a serious vote.

Later i thought he was scum because of how he was handling my slot. I thought that he would be pushing me harder as town then he was, as well as how quickly he came to the conclusion i was town. It felt rushed and unnatural when i was a scum read of his for most the game.