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there was never a point i came to in the post where i thought "these reads are legit"
that's what makes me think it was something cobbled together to sound good.
i don't know what "context" there's supposed to be for this.-
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Given my slowness to learn, that's probably my fault. While I am all about relationships in group dynamics (this wagon is on scum bc town vote and stall), mollie is more about this guy will/won't get lynched bc thread interest and vote motion as it happens. She's never been big on explaining reads but just seeing and controlling the wave of people and what each person will/won't do.In post 2248, Heartless wrote:in my official capacity as someone who knows mollie...
i still have no clue what that means
It's hard for me to articulate how she does it or what she does. Yet, that hydra with her was probably the best thing ever for my town play. Since I hydraed with her, my accuracy has been way up and my persuasiveness to. It's not perfect but yeah zefiend seems to be that kind of player.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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oh yeah... she calls that "the town herd"In post 2251, Titus wrote:Given my slowness to learn, that's probably my fault. While I am all about relationships in group dynamics (this wagon is on scum bc town vote and stall), mollie is more about this guy will/won't get lynched bc thread interest and vote motion as it happens. She's never been big on explaining reads but just seeing and controlling the wave of people and what each person will/won't do.
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i still don't know the relevance to this. sorry.-
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Last edited by Firebringer on Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:09 pm, edited 3 times in total.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Replace town herd for personal feel of the gamestate in zefiend's post see if it makes sense. If you still cannot see that, then maybe I am wrong in my interpretation.In post 2252, Heartless wrote:
oh yeah... she calls that "the town herd"In post 2251, Titus wrote:Given my slowness to learn, that's probably my fault. While I am all about relationships in group dynamics (this wagon is on scum bc town vote and stall), mollie is more about this guy will/won't get lynched bc thread interest and vote motion as it happens. She's never been big on explaining reads but just seeing and controlling the wave of people and what each person will/won't do.
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i still don't know the relevance to this. sorry.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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ɀefiend Goon
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I made a catch-up post because I believe it beneficial for myself and others who want to productively engage with me in syncing with the game.
I did the exact same thing when I replaced at a similar point in the game in RC's League of Legends Mafia: gave my opinion on all the players, said who my top townreads were, and said who I was willing to lynch. I also talked about major talking points I would like to consider while moving forwards.
If you really think that's scummy I can't help you anymore.-
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Zefiend, you cannot help scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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i mean.... you can help me by talking more about reads and why you have themIn post 2256, ɀefiend wrote:I made a catch-up post because I believe it beneficial for myself and others who want to productively engage with me in syncing with the game.
I did the exact same thing when I replaced at a similar point in the game in RC's League of Legends Mafia: gave my opinion on all the players, said who my top townreads were, and said who I was willing to lynch. I also talked about major talking points I would like to consider while moving forwards.
If you really think that's scummy I can't help you anymore.
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ok, like this. here's a concrete assertion about infinity and what he's done.In post 2084, ɀefiend wrote:I do believe he has been opportunistic (hell, he even admitted as much D1) with respect to wagoning.
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On mobile so I can't make a really good case wall with quotes and such, but here's the rundown.In post 2259, Heartless wrote:
i mean.... you can help me by talking more about reads and why you have themIn post 2256, ɀefiend wrote:I made a catch-up post because I believe it beneficial for myself and others who want to productively engage with me in syncing with the game.
I did the exact same thing when I replaced at a similar point in the game in RC's League of Legends Mafia: gave my opinion on all the players, said who my top townreads were, and said who I was willing to lynch. I also talked about major talking points I would like to consider while moving forwards.
If you really think that's scummy I can't help you anymore.
maybe start w/ infinity?
He shaded my catch-up, I ignored it because I was busy talking to others. Then while I was talking to Nero, he kept shading me, so I told him to stop it whilst bringing forward no reasoning. His reply was that his reasoning was that my analysis was bad and I was asking pointless questions. I told him that this wasn't saying much of anything and just casting more shade. (The difference between you and him is that you actually articulated what about my catch-up bothered you and hopefully trying to understand it. His motive was to simply discredit).Thenin reply to Nero, he concocts a moonshine gasoline theory that my conversation with Nero was pre-emptively setting myself up to push for a mastina lynch later on. He acts like this is his gold standard of reasoning, even though it was derived after originally calling me scummy. Furthermore, the premise is completely illogical. What the hell are my motivations with progressing a fake read on mastina from town to scummy? If I wanted to portray mastina as scummy why wouldn't I just bring up a bunch of fake issues with her in my catch-up post? I obviously read the thread and know that some people scumread mastina, so why wouldn't I just latch on to that to begin with? He's asserting that my attempts to be transparent with my mastina read are somehow bogus... *because I'm suddenly asking others for their input on mastina*... it's a scum tactic to discredit and disparage legitimate conversations and I believe that is exactly what he's doing.-
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Can't dig up to quote the exact posts b/c mobile, butIn post 2260, Heartless wrote:
ok, like this. here's a concrete assertion about infinity and what he's done.In post 2084, ɀefiend wrote:I do believe he has been opportunistic (hell, he even admitted as much D1) with respect to wagoning.
when did this happen and where was it scummy?
Towards the end of D1, with around 3 real-life days left, he is getting antsy about wagons and expresses discontent with trying to move the current wagon. Several people tell him his worries are unfounded. In reference to "admitting" something, I also recall him saying something along the lines of "I'd rather lynch town than no one." When push came to shove, though, he had no qualms about actually moving the wagons around. I may have to review the timings of those D1 wagons to get a better picture but overall, I don't think his voting nature was genuine and I would definitely describe it as opportunistic.-
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I don't even know who you're referring to at this point.In post 2257, Titus wrote:Zefiend, you cannot help scum.-
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Heartless Jack of All Trades
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errrrrkIn post 2261, ɀefiend wrote:Then in reply to Nero, he concocts a moonshine gasoline theory that my conversation with Nero was pre-emptively setting myself up to push for a mastina lynch later on.
ok so here's your reply to nero in question:
i'm also wondering why you caved so easily when nero challenged you on the mastin townread. that was supposedly one of two confident townreads you said you had in your first post and that gets washed out by... what exactly? you didn't consider the possibility of mastin bussing, nero had to bring it up first?In post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:The only problem I have with your logic is when you say Pine "will eventually go down." I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.
As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.
i would think you'd stand up for the read more than you did.
staying out of nero's way. bend the read without necessarily breaking.In post 2261, ɀefiend wrote:What the hell are my motivations with progressing a fake read on mastina from town to scummy?
i like moonshine gasoline as much as the next guy, but i don't think it's crazy.-
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You attempting to help SirCakez.
Why did you think I wouldn't care about reading your posts?
Why do you think the unhealthy spam argument hasn't been made about infinity besudes by me?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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ok i guess i'll wait for the quote compilation because i'm not even following the basic structure of the argumentIn post 2262, ɀefiend wrote:
Can't dig up to quote the exact posts b/c mobile, butIn post 2260, Heartless wrote:
ok, like this. here's a concrete assertion about infinity and what he's done.In post 2084, ɀefiend wrote:I do believe he has been opportunistic (hell, he even admitted as much D1) with respect to wagoning.
when did this happen and where was it scummy?
Towards the end of D1, with around 3 real-life days left, he is getting antsy about wagons and expresses discontent with trying to move the current wagon. Several people tell him his worries are unfounded. In reference to "admitting" something, I also recall him saying something along the lines of "I'd rather lynch town than no one." When push came to shove, though, he had no qualms about actually moving the wagons around. I may have to review the timings of those D1 wagons to get a better picture but overall, I don't think his voting nature was genuine and I would definitely describe it as opportunistic.-
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Heartless, have you formed a read on Mastina? Mastina feels different from any game I've had with her, both town and scum. Yet, I can't get a grip on why they aren't seeing the basic logic I am? I expect better from Mastina.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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zefiend, just because I didn't explain in a ton of detail right when you wanted me to what specifically bothered me about your catchup because I was tired doesn't make me scum. I even said you can ask me to elaborate if you wanted, but instead you just use it as a reason to call me scum.
I don't see how "scum townread player x but waffled on the read when other people disagreed to possibly set up to vote them" is as crazy as you make it sound. Scum!you probably couldn't even find any justifiable reasons of your own to scumread mastin, and sheeping or using obviously bad reasons would have issues of its own. I find it hard to believe that, as town, you would start to reconsider a confident townread after one person told you you should. There are a bunch of people saying mastin is town, why trust nero and pere over them?
Your reaction to all this is so overblown, and the fact that you think it's so obviously scummy that I didn't elaborate as much and you wanted me to and think it's so ridiculous that scum could set up to change their read is scummy in and of itself.-
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Feel like I'm talking to a brick wall but here goes.In post 2264, Heartless wrote:
errrrrkIn post 2261, ɀefiend wrote:Then in reply to Nero, he concocts a moonshine gasoline theory that my conversation with Nero was pre-emptively setting myself up to push for a mastina lynch later on.
ok so here's your reply to nero in question:
i'm also wondering why you caved so easily when nero challenged you on the mastin townread. that was supposedly one of two confident townreads you said you had in your first post and that gets washed out by... what exactly? you didn't consider the possibility of mastin bussing, nero had to bring it up first?In post 2157, ɀefiend wrote:The only problem I have with your logic is when you say Pine "will eventually go down." I don't know if there's credence to that statement before the guilty result comes out.
As to your second point, I will admit that my initial read of the game placed mastina as Town because I didn't think her tone was being faked; that it would come from a bus. I gave her the benefit of the doubt. But if you and other vets in the game are saying this is within scum!mastina's range, I will also give you the benefit of the doubt. I absolutely hate being tricked by tone and my gut feeling is that mastina's was Town who just had a really good tell on Pine. If enough people tell me that my gut is being stupid, I'll stop relying on it.
i would think you'd stand up for the read more than you did.
staying out of nero's way. bend the read without necessarily breaking.In post 2261, ɀefiend wrote:What the hell are my motivations with progressing a fake read on mastina from town to scummy?
i like moonshine gasoline as much as the next guy, but i don't think it's crazy.
Of course I considered that mastina could have bussed. I felt strongly on my gut that her tone was not in line with someone who was bussing. I laid all of this out in the forefront. Then Peregrine and Nero both made statements that suggest their experience with mastina or her alts or hydras lead them to believe mastina's range this game could very well include bussing. I am glad that these two players ACTUALLY ENGAGED my catch-up post instead of just flat out attacking and sliding it, because I give deference to their opinion about mastina and I will use that going forward (when Nero and/or mastina comes back).
If you think I am the type of player to hold tightly to my town reads you are mistaken. I am primarily a scum hunter.-
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Help SieCakez how?? I feel like you are narrating something happening in an entirely different game or I'm eternally distracted.In post 2265, Titus wrote:You attempting to help SirCakez.
Why did you think I wouldn't care about reading your posts?
Why do you think the unhealthy spam argument hasn't been made about infinity besudes by me?
Because when you tunnel you don't care why someone has your support as long as they do. Pretty sure you've said something like that before but I'm not in any rush to dig through all our games together to find it.
I am joining your cause to make that argument too. It's not just unhealthy, it's tactically scummy.-
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SirCakez posted his spoiler before this heavily redacted post.In post 2256, ɀefiend wrote:If you really think that's scummy I can't help you anymore.
You cannot help SirCakez see scum because he is scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That's a very oversimplistic view of my personality. I do actually scrutinize who joins when and what reason. That's why we're even talking rather than me saying yes.In post 2271, ɀefiend wrote:
Help SieCakez how?? I feel like you are narrating something happening in an entirely different game or I'm eternally distracted.In post 2265, Titus wrote:You attempting to help SirCakez.
Why did you think I wouldn't care about reading your posts?
Why do you think the unhealthy spam argument hasn't been made about infinity besudes by me?
Because when you tunnel you don't care why someone has your support as long as they do. Pretty sure you've said something like that before but I'm not in any rush to dig through all our games together to find it.
I am joining your cause to make that argument too. It's not just unhealthy, it's tactically scummy.
What's unhealthy is refusing to listen to evidence and adjust, which is what most of the thread appears do be doing.
Let's lynch The Thinker. He flips town.
Let's lynch Klingon. She's town.
Let's lynch BBMolla, and he's damn near conftown.
So am I supposed to wait for more dumb errors and compromise when the majority is systemically wrong?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Your "elaboration" was inventing a reason from my exchange with Nero -- which happened AFTER you originally called me out. You didn't have shit to begin with and you just reached for the first thing you could think of.In post 2268, Infinity 324 wrote:zefiend, just because I didn't explain in a ton of detail right when you wanted me to what specifically bothered me about your catchup because I was tired doesn't make me scum. I even said you can ask me to elaborate if you wanted, but instead you just use it as a reason to call me scum.
Pure misrepresentation. I like how you add in "possibly to set up to vote them" - this is blatant construction of a narrative that you have no idea about. Nero and Peregrine's disagreements simply caused me to reflect and reevaluate.I don't see how "scum townread player x but waffled on the read when other people disagreed to possibly set up to vote them" is as crazy as you make it sound. Scum!you probably couldn't even find any justifiable reasons of your own to scumread mastin, and sheeping or using obviously bad reasons would have issues of its own. I find it hard to believe that, as town, you would start to reconsider a confident townread after one person told you you should. There are a bunch of people saying mastin is town, why trust nero and pere over them?
You are focusing on my dialogue with Nero and Peregrine for the wrong reasons. They were particularly influential to me because they ENGAGED me on the exact points I was thinking mastina couldn't have bussed. Why would I NOT consider their opinion when they are saying the exact opposite?
Circular reasoning is circular reasoning is circular reason-...Your reaction to all this is so overblown, and the fact that you think it's so obviously scummy that I didn't elaborate as much and you wanted me to and think it's so ridiculous that scum could set up to change their read is scummy in and of itself.
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