Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

[RadiantCowbells]

Rautherdir for sure, possibly Vifam.

[Cooperative Sheep]

I would reverse those names in a heartbeat. Why does Rauth vibe more scum than Vifam at this moment? She's assuredly soft deflected and been wishy washy about Gerry more than any other player in this game at this point.

[Cooperative Sheep]

The above within the concept that Gerry is scum, naturally.

[Vifam]

I don't see how I've been wishy washy about Gerry, never said I was interested in lynching him or thought he was scum

[RadiantCowbells]

Because from specifically Gerry's posting the interactions between Gerry/Rautherdir look way imore SvS than Gerry/Vifam's. I concede that in a vacuum Vifam is probably scummier.

[gerryoat]

imo you did the basic "idk which 1 is scum but 1 is!" which can setup for the future. then you did the basic "I can be convinced but rn no" which also allows you to setup in the future

[gerryoat]

Because from specifically Gerry's posting the interactions between Gerry/Rautherdir look way imore SvS than Gerry/Vifam's. I concede that in a vacuum Vifam is probably scummier.

I'm really happy you're basing all your reads around me

[RadiantCowbells]

I am.

Because you're worth it.

<3

[Cooperative Sheep]

I don't see how I've been wishy washy about Gerry, never said I was interested in lynching him or thought he was scum

You certainly implied it though, and then defended the idea of not lynching him off of the meaningless-to-alignment tell of liking him. It's not a smoking gun, but if he's scum you've done actions that I can easily describe as defensive and deflective for the slot while also doing some sort of vague either-or setup for no discernible reason. It reads to me as a soft setup to allow you to push a false argument (one of them is scum, options open) but when questioned on it you kind of did an awkward defense of both. I think it reads as softly scummy in general, and if Gerry is scum I could see it as defense. Clearly you'll disagree, because either you're scum who will lie or you're town who did it without malice - but it's what it looks like to me.

Because from specifically Gerry's posting the interactions between Gerry/Rautherdir look way imore SvS than Gerry/Vifam's. I concede that in a vacuum Vifam is probably scummier.

How does the Gerry/Rauth thing line up in your mind exactly?

[Vifam]

oh ok

Rauth/RC/Sheep/Key feel town everyone else Im not sure

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a few things.
Him calling my vote on Rautherdir and attempt to drag the game back to RVS seemed kinda chainsawy and didn't make much sense outside of that context and we all know how good my chainsaw reads are
He also, despite not claiming to have a read there, seems way too interested in other people's reads on the slot without actually getting personally involved with a read.
Also Rautherdir's reaction to the duelling wagons seemed really off.

But like in general it's not what's there it's what's absent. There's not a single post that I can point to and see any scumhunting going on in his brain behind the wheels.
Just feels like a series of disconnected posts that don't, as far as I can tell, have a single town train of thought underlying them.
Which could potentially be newb but I still think more likely than not to be scum.

[Cooperative Sheep]

Most of that, outside of Rauth not really owning a reaction to the RC v. Gerry situation, seems to be from Gerry's side, which could just as easily be scum Gerry faking a partnership since it's not a two way dance.
The reaction to the wagons, at least for me, falls within expected norms for Newbies. I think I'd still be more of a mind to flip a Vifam than a Rauth on a Gerry scum confirmation. I don't think your thoughts are insane-o sauce, but I feel like you're overlooking a hill for a pile of sand you built yourself as far as strength of connections go.

[RadiantCowbells]

I do see what you're saying but I'm somewhat reluctant to think that Scum!Vifam would have had the balls to say that they weren't gonna vote their partner because they like them. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Vifam]

You'd be surprised tbh

[Grendel]

15 pages in less then twenty four hours. Whoa.

There is such a thing as a game getting too bloated guys. -.-

I'm not caught up yet, just wanted to take a break from RC vs Gerry.

I'm probably voting Gerry since I already had a mild suspicion on his slot.

[Grendel]

Actually,

VOTE: Gerryoat

I could vote Viafam too I think

[Grendel]

I don't understand the purpose of my wagon.

For instance I noticed a lack of "Grendel is scum comments".

That'd suggest that my wagon is supposed to be for pressure. Whats off though is that given that there are other players out that that have garnered actual suspicion my wagon just seems like... an excuse? The very same people on my wagon have proclaimed other players as scummy, but opted to pressure vote me instead. So, why are ppl so afraid to vote their scum reads?

I seem to recall Kiser being the only one actually suspicious of my slot. I don't recall the same for the rest. :/

Not to mention that there has been zero resistance to my wagon.

[Grendel]

If I had to put money on it Id say RC is town, I dont wanna lynch Gerry or RC today tho

Why do you not want to lynch Gerry? He seems a perfectly fine lynch option.

I don't really see the Keyser love, but neither do I have an issue with the play from that slot so...I kinda tend to expect him to be town and at least one of the fanboi's to be scum sheeping him.
I see RC as town.
I'd be happy to lynch Gerry.
I also am not overly fond of Alisae or Vifam and would consider them secondary scum reads at this stage.
I don't share the Rauth dislike, he's a clear newb so pointing out a newbtown or newbscum issue with him is a bit like telling me grass is green. IIoA ahoy!

In the spirit of the purpose of this alt;

Vote: Grendel

Gives piece meal statements about Gerry being a good wagon then votes Grendel b/c, " lol, Its my flavor"

Has a null read on Keyser. Which means that Sheep is sheeping a null read, while ignoring a wagon started by a town read (RC) on a slot he thinks is a good lynch (Gerry).

Huh.

[Vifam]

Tbh I just voted for you cuz I felt like sheeping

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:

[Vifam]

It is alarming how fast your wagon popped up, I didn't even realize you were at L1

[Grendel]

Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in

I take up the position that the game state needs.

In games with an unproductive roster I'm much more aggressive. In games with hyper posters I'm more laid back.

Plus I was too tired the other day to do one of my elaborate opening posts w/ reaction test.

My play here has been very different from 1830, and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been pushing that point harder if you were truly scum reading me.

[Grendel]

It is alarming how fast your wagon popped up, I didn't even realize you were at L1

Sheep's vote was the turning point for my wagon's pick up.

Yay/Nay?

[Grendel]

Tbh I just voted for you cuz I felt like sheeping

You felt like sheeping 17 pages into the game but didn't feel like it at that start.

Why?

[Pine]

Hey cooperative sheep, are you a fan of the word 'grok'?

The mod is a HUGE fan of the word, but rarely uses it. I find that it is a handy shorthand for a fairly sophisticated concept of deduction, reasoning, and comprehension. However, the rarity of the word obviates its utility as a shorthand when it needs to be defined on every use.

One mod cookie to RC.