Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #425 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:03 am

For me the telling point of RC's argument was how Gerry immediately reacted with discrediting as the response - it seemed like an odd reaction considering earlier stances towards RC. Do you think that seemed in character for a town Gerry?

Also, if you town read RC for the interactions and null read Gerry - why did you even bring up the TvS concept like you did? It feels like you're changing your story to me, and that vibes a bit scummy to my sheepy heart.

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #426 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:06 am

In post 402, Vifam wrote:RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

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Looking at it again, I suppose I could squint a bit and get a "not claiming TvS" concept out of this.
I assuredly do not get a "town reading RC null on Gerry" concept though.
I'm going to stand by my initial comment of feeling you're changing your story, but will agree that you didn't explicitly mention TvS - that said, this comment does not line up with a town reading RC from the interactions sort of statement so I do think you're changing stances here.

Vifam · Post Post #427 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:09 am

Nah I just don't think they could be scum on the same team

I've never played with Gerry before but personally I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

Rautherdir · Post Post #428 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:24 am

In post 412, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 389, Rautherdir wrote:Yep. I wish more people were talking because I think gerryoat/RC is SvT or TvS. Right now I lean towards RC being town and gerryoat being scum, but I'll read over the game again just to be sure before voting.

In post 402, Vifam wrote:RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh
How come neither of you (or at least Vifam) is affected by the cop claim as far as assessing a TvS theory setup?
I would think that would tend to sharply affect your value call if you were pretty sure at least one, but not both players were scum.

That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.

Cooperative Sheep · Post Post #429 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:42 am

In post 427, Vifam wrote:Nah I just don't think they could be scum on the same team

I've never played with Gerry before but personally I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

You did indicate though that you were not sure which was more likely to flip scum while also saying that you town read RC from the exchange - am I misunderstanding something there?
Also, what's your take on the Grendel wagon?

In post 428, Rautherdir wrote:That's the reason I'm reading over the game again. I don't know how to handle a claim like that, I'm trying to figure out if I should trust RC's claim or not.

For me the logic breaks down something like this;

1. RC is lying and plans to admit it - that makes the action a reaction test, and alignment neutral, I tend to analyze the claimed reaction scumhunting afterwards.

2. RC is lying and does not plan to admit it - that would make RC scum and a bad player, or just a bad player. I, personally, don't think RC is a bad player.

3. RC is telling the truth, or at least some variant of it - that would make RC town, or that would make RC a scum PR who is accepting on Day 1 that they are not really planning to make it till lylo with their team.

I see option 2 as highly unlikely.
Option 1 should be treated like option 3 until RC plans to reveal - so option 1 is meaningless.
Option 3 tends o suggest that the best move is to not lynch RC, and analyze again tomorrow with more info.

Until I get some other info, I'm going with Option 3 and presuming town.
What are your thoughts on my breakdown and does it differ from your thoughts?

Rautherdir · Post Post #430 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:00 am

CoopSheep, looking over the game again, I'm going to say you're right about not lynching RC today. I do think we shouldn't lynch Gerry quite yet though. While reading through the game some posts caught my eye.

390 again, why didn't you vote me if you thought it was scummy? JarJar, could you also explain your vote on RC? Do you think he's more likely to be scum as of me?

414 Seriously? Transcend, remind me again why you are voting me.

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #431 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:03 am

VOTE: Grendel

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #432 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:08 am

In post 427, Vifam wrote:I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously

I didn't @ first either. That's what raised my eyebrow about Gerrys response. He immediately believed it and was just like "well ur reads are wrong".

JarJarDrinks · Post Post #433 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:11 am

In post 430, Rautherdir wrote:JarJar, could you also explain your vote on RC?

It was there from RVS.

Vifam · Post Post #434 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:26 am

In post 429, Cooperative Sheep wrote:You did indicate though that you were not sure which was more likely to flip scum while also saying that you town read RC from the exchange - am I misunderstanding something there?

That was if I had to bet on one of them being town Id go for RC, but atm I don't have a strong read on Gerry so I don't really feel like lynching him right now.

Vifam · Post Post #435 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:28 am

I'll sheep Grendal tho Im cool with that

VOTE: Grendal

Transcend · Post Post #436 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:35 am

What's the Grendel lynch about

Transcend · Post Post #437 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:36 am

Who the fuck is cooperative sheep when the fuck did they get here

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #438 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:41 am

Oi dumbasses. Do you really think that if Gerryoat were town then absolutely no one would be interested in jumping on a hard pushed wagon and blaming me for it?

No one else is going to get lynched today so pull your heads out of your asses and vote him.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #439 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:43 am

In post 409, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 294, gerryoat wrote:@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?
RC sandbags his town games so it's harder to catch him as scum.

But he brings up a good point about ur reaction to his claim. I feel like you believed it way too easily.

That's absolute fucking bullshit. I value my town play more than I value my scum play hands down and would never do what you're claiming.

Pine · Post Post #440 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:48 am

In post 437, Transcend wrote:Who the fuck is cooperative sheep when the fuck did they get here

In post 411, Pine wrote:
Cooperative Sheep replaces Soumil07

gerryoat · Post Post #441 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:03 am

In post 403, JarJarDrinks wrote:still catching up but:

In post 402, Vifam wrote:So far Keysar feels town

RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh
This is such a shitty post. Townread on obvtown. And a "they both can't be scum" read.

^

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #442 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:06 am

Also Grendel randomly popping up to

L-2

in the middle of the day phase reeks of a scum counterwagon.

gerryoat · Post Post #443 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:06 am

Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in

gerryoat · Post Post #444 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:07 am

@Jar can you explain why Nau is obvious town? I really dont see it rn

Vifam · Post Post #445 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:07 am

Damm I didn't know he was that close to a lynch

gerryoat · Post Post #446 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:07 am

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #447 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:07 am

It's your scumbuddies trying to get him quicklynched to keep you alive. I mean I think it's shit play since you're all goign to be fucking obvious scum tomorrow but whatever floats your collective boat.

gerryoat · Post Post #448 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:08 am

Vifam is very suspicious, I suspect they could be mafia. Jar did good analysis with Sheep.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #449 (ISO) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:08 am

In post 432, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 427, Vifam wrote:I didn't really take RC's cop claim that seriously
I didn't @ first either. That's what raised my eyebrow about Gerrys response. He immediately believed it and was just like "well ur reads are wrong".

AND YOU JUMPED ON A WAGON TO PUT IT AT L-2 ON SOMEONE WHO NO CASE HAS BEEN PROVIDED AGAINST. MAKES SENSE.