Open 667: Day 3

[Börk Börk]

And actually same applies to my next post. Scum will be trying to avoid getting lynched today, while we try to find scum and lynch them.

[Börk Börk]

VOTE: cloudkicker fuck you and your quick hammer

@bork don't call someone retarded :/

Okay, sorry, not retarded. If I call him stupid is that any beter?

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: cloudkicker fuck you and your quick hammer

@bork don't call someone retarded :/

Not like we could progress the day with half the town nld and inactive, not sure hows that alignement indicative

[Börk Börk]

#629 really shouldnt have existed, this is really a scumtell

Let me try and use your logic on you so you can see for yourself how bad your case is.

This guy used 'really' twice. This is scummy, as it suggests that he is desperate for town to believe him. Additionally, it is scummy because it shows that he needs to try and convince himself of his argument, because he knows he's bullshitting. He felt the need to add that second 'really' just to make sure that everyone saw his case as legit.

VOTE: CK omg I'm scumreading you exclusively off one post, but I am obviously right because my ego is too inflated to hear other people's logic.

UNVOTE:

I'll reserve my vote for now, but I hope this proves something.

[CloudKicker]

#629 really shouldnt have existed, this is really a scumtell

Let me try and use your logic on you so you can see for yourself how bad your case is.

This guy used 'really' twice. This is scummy, as it suggests that he is desperate for town to believe him. Additionally, it is scummy because it shows that he needs to try and convince himself of his argument, because he knows he's bullshitting. He felt the need to add that second 'really' just to make sure that everyone saw his case as legit.

VOTE: CK omg I'm scumreading you exclusively off one post, but I am obviously right because my ego is too inflated to hear other people's logic.

UNVOTE:

I'll reserve my vote for now, but I hope this proves something.

My last post on you is far from the only reason why ive been scumreading you, also everything i said is true, you could still be town tho

[SnarkySnowman]

@Cloud,

I explained it. Clearly we could have done something, had Tenshii involved, gotten a better idea, etc.

Okay, sorry, not retarded. If I call him stupid is that any beter?

Much better!

[CloudKicker]

still not alignement indicative, you better game that im am mafia for hammer the night after going againts it

[JasonWazza]

Vote Count 3.1

[1] Börk Börk: CloudKicker,
[1] CloudKicker: SnarkySnowman,

Not voting: Gamma Emerald, Pepchoninga, Creature, Börk Börk, TheSoldier,

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-14 04:07:20)

[TheSoldier]

Hey everyone I'm back home. Food, soccer matches and then more posting tonight.

629 isn't a scumtell or scum post by any means. When I was a newer player, I would post reminders like this as town because I didn't realize that they didn't really do much. Also, I was very conscious about people misinterpreting my posts, and still am pretty reserved with my posting, either alignment. Now, I can't read Börk's mind, but all 643 shows is that they have a cautious mindset. 630 to me reads as an "oh wait duh" rather than "oh crap."

What's curious is that you immediately see 629 & 630 as a coverup, even though you haven't really articulated (or tried to explain) why 629 is a scum post to begin with.

[CloudKicker]

I dont really care about your opinion on if 629 was a scumtell or not

[Börk Börk]

@mod

Snarky voted for CK, not me

Mod: Fixed.

[Börk Börk]

#629 really shouldnt have existed, this is really a scumtell

Let me try and use your logic on you so you can see for yourself how bad your case is.

This guy used 'really' twice. This is scummy, as it suggests that he is desperate for town to believe him. Additionally, it is scummy because it shows that he needs to try and convince himself of his argument, because he knows he's bullshitting. He felt the need to add that second 'really' just to make sure that everyone saw his case as legit.

VOTE: CK omg I'm scumreading you exclusively off one post, but I am obviously right because my ego is too inflated to hear other people's logic.

UNVOTE:

I'll reserve my vote for now, but I hope this proves something.

My last post on you is far from the only reason why ive been scumreading you, also everything i said is true, you could still be town tho

'you could still be town' sounds like a scummy defense. So when I flip town you can cover your ass by going 'oh, but I said she might be town'.

[CloudKicker]

lol you are irrecuperable, you dont even understand why i said that. My analysis about your 629 and 630 was objectively correct and valid, regardless of your actual alignement, this is what i implied not that i didnt scumreadyou

[Börk Börk]

You didn't even know what setup you had replaced into yesterday, so don't blame me for not taking you seriously.

[CloudKicker]

My first open game

[Börk Börk]

It's also my first open game. I read up on this setup before I started. I knew what I was doing. That's not an excuse.

[Gamma Emerald]

I always read up on the setup
doesn't that this isn't my first rodeo in this setup

[CloudKicker]

It's also my first open game. I read up on this setup before I started. I knew what I was doing. That's not an excuse.

i replaced in

[CloudKicker]

still makes no sens to read the win con as town but w/e

[TheSoldier]

CK, please explain to me why 629 is more likely to come from scum than town, because I legit don't see it.

Also, is Pepchoninga still here? They were active D1 but nothing so far D2 or D3.

Snarky, your thoughts are totally opaque to me. Why was Vij town to you? Does CK hammering NL make them scum to you?

Still sorting CK. Gamma and Snarky have been peripheral and we need more from them. I thought Pep's D1 push on Creature was reachy and fake, not sure why Pep was such a common TR D1; he just didn't seem geniune. My impression of Börk is that they're newish town dedicated to doing things 'by the book.' Finally there's creature; I see effort to figure things out and gather info, but I haven't seen many conclusions. Who are you scumreading, creature?

[Gamma Emerald]

How have I been peripheral?

[CloudKicker]

CK, please explain to me why 629 is more likely to come from scum than town, because I legit don't see it.

Also, is Pepchoninga still here? They were active D1 but nothing so far D2 or D3.

Snarky, your thoughts are totally opaque to me. Why was Vij town to you? Does CK hammering NL make them scum to you?

Still sorting CK. Gamma and Snarky have been peripheral and we need more from them. I thought Pep's D1 push on Creature was reachy and fake, not sure why Pep was such a common TR D1; he just didn't seem geniune. My impression of Börk is that they're newish town dedicated to doing things 'by the book.' Finally there's creature; I see effort to figure things out and gather info, but I haven't seen many conclusions. Who are you scumreading, creature?

Its just a read from my hundreds of hours of experiences playing chat mefia.

He made a comment about the game state, the comment was referring to the mafia pov and not the town pov, if he was thinking about the town pov before he made 629 he wouldnt have made the post considering it was only relevant as mafia pov. Maybe Bork is town and just fudged there, regardless of that i am not voting bork just cause of that, its just a continuation of my read d2

[CloudKicker]

Theres also the fact that this is D3 and that ive been the only one genuinely pushing anything for 2 days, theres a distinct lack of tracktion and support for a bork lynch considering that if bork as town, i would see support from mafia in some ways at least implictly and its just not happening. This is a game state read

[CloudKicker]

UNVOTE: i want to see stuff from everyone

[TheSoldier]

Thank you for the explanation CK. Your thought process seems real to me. Thoughts on slots not Börk?

Gamma, on readthrough of the thread your posts get drowned out because there's just a relatively low number of them. On a closer reread of your ISO you have less fluff than I thought, which is nice. A few new things though: way back on post 225 you say Pep, Börk, and Vij are your picks for scum. However, you don't have any real interactions with Pep or Börk, and your vote was on the Vij slot since the very beginning of D1. Where's the pressuring?

I don't see any attempts from you to convince others that you're right about your reads. Yes, you ended up on the biggest wagon D1, but you were content to sit there as the only one on the wagon for most of the day until Chilledtea replaced in and gave it some traction. I see a lack of sorting, questioning... anything to find scum. Considering that and the fact that you had plenty of time to think critically about creature's plan but not about the game, I think you're a good bet for being mafia.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
tl;dr: very passive and done nothing to develop reads