Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

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/confirm?

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hi mafia partners. who do we push on today?

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oops wrong thread

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sorry i saw you both and i thought this was maf chat -___-

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Alisae is scum. he's too defensive l0l

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VOTE: ALisae

Not RVS vote

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mattblackguy are you our traitor? is that the code?

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RVS makes me sick.

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TR no one. not even yourself

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Everyone thinks they're unreadable

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Grendel is maf with Alisae. my reads are on point this game

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Is Gerry around rn?

hi

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yes that's kinda why i said it

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if i keep them to myself, how can i help town

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I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.

If Mattblack is town maybe, but I wouldn't label it "important" until after a flip.

wtf.
Early game wagons like that are amazing to analyze.

too early. its RVS, sadly

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how are my reads terrible? how do you know grendel is town?

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um. i dont get the first part. what does it have to do with matt at all?

and because it's too early and people arent even being serious yet

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keyser you're trying to argue with mafia lol

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How am I being arrogant? I'm just outing a read. why so defensive?

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Grendel is maf with Alisae. my reads are on point this game

You said Alisae was being defensive. Anything to add to that read?
What's your angle with Grendel? Or was you just jumping on my suspicions of him?

based on previous game with him, he seems different rn

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RC is maf too. Trying to steer the direction of the game back into RVS when we just had a good discussion

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idk he just seems different

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1.) was talking about grendel when he says he looks different.

2.) I only talked about one person acting different so you're wrong there

3.) I'm not new at all, this isn't my first mafia site.

4.) You're overly defensive and actually prob maf lmfao

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jeez do you really refer to yourself in the 3rd person... this is gonna be a long game

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Who is comparing you from game to game? I can only talk about what I see now, which is what I said. You're trying to turn your case into meta when it clearly wasn't.

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Yes, I referred to Scum!RC in the third person because Scum!RC

isn't actually me because I'm not scum.

Or maybe I'm just a major egoist who can't help himself!

How were you expecting Town!RC to respond to that, exactly?

You mean, you're not town?

Nice.

VOTE: RC

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lol. I never said anything about previous games for you, which was your mistake.

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i have no idea what any of that means but ok

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It's not that hard to understand. Pretty sure anyone else can understand. we can wait for them

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I never said the last part, now you're lying again lol

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jeez do you really refer to yourself in the 3rd person... this is gonna be a long game

Yes, I referred to Scum!RC in the third person because Scum!RC

isn't actually me because I'm not scum.

Or maybe I'm just a major egoist who can't help himself!

How were you expecting Town!RC to respond to that, exactly?

You mean, you're not town?

Nice.

VOTE: RC

it was a response to you saying that you werent talking to your self now. not that you were talking to yourself in the 3rd person

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so the basis of that is wrong

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Yes, I referred to Scum!RC in the third person

because Scum!RC isn't actually me because I'm not scum.

Implies you only said it cause you arent scum, but you said Town!RC

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lmao RC. I like your confidence, but i do think you're scummy RN for trying to push it back into RVS

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Uh ok lmao. Just because you claim cop doesn't mean I'm mafia.

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>pushing on you.

>Literally 11 pages in.

You're WAYYYYYYYYY too defensive right now.

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I point out that you're trying to push us back into RVS when we were having a productive discussion and you get way too defensive.

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OMG HE SCUMREADS ME BECAUSE HE BRINGS UP AN ACTUAL POINT. IM GONNA THROW A FIT AND ACT ALL HIGH AND MIGHTY

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I don't give a fuck what your role is. Doesn't make your read any better

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So you want someone lynched just because they scumread you. I'm sure you will get lots of votes with that

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I know they aren't being lynched, but I'm still bringing up my point. They are scumreading me for me scumreading them lol that's literal OMGUS

UNVOTE: RC

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Keyser would you stop coaching scum it's really unbecoming of you.

implying i would need coaching if i was scum lmao

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Why the fuck would I NK someone i scumread if i was maf. You're literally bringing up the stupidest logic I've seen in awhile

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Claiming PR with one vote on you is the dumbest thing I may have seen on this site.

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Your scumhunting skill must be shit then cause I'm town.

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@Transcend i thought this Radiant Cowbells person was supposed to be good?

who lied to me. or are they just trolling rn?

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serious question LOL

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Like I knew that he was scum so soon because he's so much like how I was when I was new to playing scum.

If you think I'd act like that i suggest you read my scumgames

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That's literally the opposite of how i acted on my first game on this site that i happened to be scum. So that just disproves your theory there lol

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Grendel was in a game when I was scum, and can attest I didn't act that way either. So, when you actually come back and do research on me, and not just bouncing off the wall with your ego, I'm sure that hopefully you'll be able to read correctly.

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Okay quote where i did that in that game. And that game was different because I was basically confirmed day 2 but still wiggled my way out of it for another day.

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Then where exactly did I bounce off scumreads until something stuck? show me

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LMAO you can't even show me. but you say it's SOOOOOOO obvious

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Just admit it. Your ego took a hit and you had to claim and try and get me lynched so you could rub your own ego, it's okay. i get it

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You'll need to convince everyone else why you think I'm scum. Bring your case. No one is gonna vote me just because you claimed PR

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Look if you genuinely want me to talk about how I knew you were scum then ask me in postgame because all I see right now is scum posturing.

Don't worry, post game I'll teach you how to scumhunt better after you see i'm town lol

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I mean, I can show you. But why WOULD I? I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum.

If you want gerryoat lynched, roleclaiming cop won't do it. You have to convince us of scum-gerryoat.

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he has none, it's just his ego rn lol

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As someone who has never played with me before you can't say "TOWN GERRY WOULDNT DO THIS!! ONLY SCUM GERRY WOULD DO THIS!!!"

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I'm reading and all I see is hurt ego. is that your case?

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No, it was to say. IDC if you claim cop, it doesn't make your reads any better or your words matter more.

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I assume you're used to people backing down from you, but I don't back down. Which is why I think your ego took a hit. And you're trying to strong arm a lynch for someone scumreading you.

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There is actually a lot of ppl here who have played with me as scum, and I guarantee you they'll say that your argument of "newb scum would do this!!!" is dumb. Because they've seen me do the opposite of what you're talking about as mafia

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There may be superficial differences but the core play is still the same. Throw out scumreads that don't make sense and overinvest into them, then when called out discredit everyone.

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We'll just have to say that you have your alternative facts and I have my actual facts, if you want to make this a trump meme.

I'm sure when people actually read this, they'll see how flawed your reasoning for wanting me lynched is, and see it's ego driven. Which isn't a bad thing, but you're just wrong in this scenario

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You realize that at that point in the game, I had to just out BS reads cause I was being confirmed tomorrow and had to hide who my partner was. Even so, those lines are nothing like right now.

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They really won't lmfao. I was the one attacking YOU. You tried to discredit me and got super defensive.

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Conclusion #1:

RadiantCowbells and gerryoat aren't in the same scum faction.

You never know

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They really won't lmfao. I was the one attacking YOU. You tried to discredit me and got super defensive.

Like don't you get it? This is a totally pointless accusation. I never tried to discredit you at all, I simply called you a moron (which is true) then scum (which is also true).
And let's say I did, what's your point, are you going to say that I am scum who masqueraded as cop to lynch (sorry, BUS) little old you? But why didn't you even consider that I could be scum immediately?
Where's the righteous indignation of why the FUCK did this moron just claim PR and hurt town in doing so, like Keyser is doing. Nah, your only interest is attempting to survive the day.

wrong and wrong. How am I a moron for scumreading you for tryign to obviously push it back to RVS when there was a good convo going on.

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My read DID make sense, key agreed as well. You're the one blowing things out of proportion

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Even if I still scumread you, since you claimed right now it's futile to push on it as you might actually be cop.

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Yes because of his ego lol.

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I didn't roleclaim to supplement my push.

lyin ass lmao

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"you dont do what i say so ur prob scum" "u scumread me so ur scum" is all i see in the grand aspect of things.

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And that also explains his attitude towards being called Newb!Scum; he clearly cares more and tries harder and prides himself off of his scum play so being called newb here would probably bug him.

Being called a noob when I'm not one would bug me regardless of alignment. I'm not new as I've stated so thats NAI

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But after many games up to and including Miller's Hollow I would think that you would think better of my scumhunting ability.

Between correctly calling my N1 innocent result as a godfather, single handedly destroying your scumteam in 193, and single handedly ending Miller's Hollow with a successful lynch we hard drove and our venge shot...

congrats. Now that you're done stroking your own ego, maybe you should realize that you're not always right. I'm fairly sure you're had awful games too, like you're having right now.

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Like i'm genuinely having second hand embarrassment right now. because you're so convinced i'm scum and bring up all this BS stats, but are still wrong lmfao

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who is annie.

and yes, i'm talking about your MS self.

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no but seriously who is annie lol

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still catching up but:

So far Keysar feels town


RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

This is such a shitty post. Townread on obvtown. And a "they both can't be scum" read.

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Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in

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@Jar can you explain why Nau is obvious town? I really dont see it rn

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Rau*

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Vifam is very suspicious, I suspect they could be mafia. Jar did good analysis with Sheep.

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It's your scumbuddies trying to get him quicklynched to keep you alive. I mean I think it's shit play since you're all goign to be fucking obvious scum tomorrow but whatever floats your collective boat.

Yeah dude. I have 5 scum buddies. u caught me

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So far Keysar feels town


RC vs Gerry is such a shitfest they're probably not both scum on the same team, couldn't tell you which one is more likely to flip scum tho tbh

If I had to put money on it Id say RC is town, I dont wanna lynch Gerry or RC today tho

Why do you not want to lynch Gerry? He seems a perfectly fine lynch option.

I like Gerry

I guess


RC didn't really sell me with her argument on Gerry being scum, although I did get town vibes from RC from the conversation


I could be convinced to lynch Gerry as the day goes on but I don't think he's done anything scummy yet

Seems like a lot of waffling for some reason.

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Nah there's a lot of dumb town there as well.

Yeah, I think i found one.

You

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Maybe i misread it. hold on

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I don't share the Rauth dislike, he's a clear newb so pointing out a newbtown or newbscum issue with him is a bit like telling me grass is green. IIoA ahoy!

could you explain?

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You guys put too much into "noobscum would do this. noob town would do that" it's really bad. he could just be an alt

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Ah okay, i dont really find that scummy at all. Jar what's scummy about that?

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Except I don't always deathtunnel the first person that I scumread on day 1. Great job buying into Gerryoat's shitty discrediting and teaching him that it's a viable playstyle.

lmao whenever you brag about how good you think you are, i'm gonna post this game

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No, i thought you said he was obvious town. And i didn't see why he was obvious town. But I misread. And once I saw what he said, I didn't really scumread it.

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Yes, Jar. That's literally the game of Mafia. Discussing and arguing reads. I was asking what was scummy about it

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Yes, Jar. That's literally the game of Mafia. Discussing and arguing reads. I was asking what was scummy about it

U leaning in any direction on Rau?

I think he's more town than maf

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Gerry is mighty scummy i admit

bull fuckign shit. how

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Yeah that's totally a thing that's why the meme of "why me = fry me" indicates someone is town and not scum.

this is literally the opposite of epicmafia. whenever new and says why me they are maf

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Yeah that's totally a thing that's why the meme of "why me = fry me" indicates someone is town and not scum.

this is literally the opposite of epicmafia. whenever new and says why me they are maf

That is exactly the point that I am trying to convey and thank you for explaining it but I didn't realize that my sarcasm was that difficult to grasp.

Sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. unless you use like !!!!!!!! like

omg RC your read on me is so right!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Waiting on Transcend to out his read on me instead of throwing shade.

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imo you did the basic "idk which 1 is scum but 1 is!" which can setup for the future. then you did the basic "I can be convinced but rn no" which also allows you to setup in the future

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Because from specifically Gerry's posting the interactions between Gerry/Rautherdir look way imore SvS than Gerry/Vifam's. I concede that in a vacuum Vifam is probably scummier.

I'm really happy you're basing all your reads around me

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Key is town. Grendel is at like L-1 i think lol. I mean i think he's different rn compared to his town game, but give him time to respond at least we are only 18 pages in

I take up the position that the game state needs.

In games with an unproductive roster I'm much more aggressive. In games with hyper posters I'm more laid back.

Plus I was too tired the other day to do one of my elaborate opening posts w/ reaction test.

My play here has been very different from 1830, and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been pushing that point harder if you were truly scum reading me.

Well, it's because RC has been acting like a manbaby. I did point out that your game was different, but how do you expect me to scumread you very hard. I wanted to give you more time

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I think Key/Sheep/Rau might all be town.

I TR key the most and maybe sheep after that.

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VOTE: Vifam

honestly think this is maf rn. Still need to wait on certain people to post more tho

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This is the Grendel i saw during that other game. Which is why I wanted more posts from him

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why is jar maf?

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why? you voted grendal too

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The above within the concept that Gerry is scum, naturally.

I really dislike how they keep batting about their potential scum reads, meanwhile voting somebody who isn't even mentioned as a tertiary scum read.

It doesn't make any sense.

this is actually a very good point. i still think sheep is town tho, so far based on his points on different things

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Gee thanks,

for being so uncharacteristically chivalrous towards your 2nd highest scum read.

it's only ~20 pages in? I'm not gonna wanna quick lynch someone over first brush reads

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Gee thanks,

for being so uncharacteristically chivalrous towards your 2nd highest scum read.

it's only ~20 pages in? I'm not gonna wanna quick lynch someone over first brush reads

idk I just feel like you are tip toeing around me rn.

I know you're capable of being agro as either alignment, and appeasing as either alignment, but something feels wrong here.

lmao ok

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tbh there are a lot of players I might need to look at. LIke I haven't checked out most of my null reads.

Keyser Söze, RadiantCowbells,

Alisae, mattblackguy,

Rautherdir, Lil Uzi Vert, Akarin, JarJarDrinks, Transcend,

Vifam, Cooperative Sheep,

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I can elaborate on most my reads per request.

Right now I'm feeling like calling it a night on my end.

elaborate on your read on me

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I'm just going to ignore him for a while. I'll probably support a wagon on him later on though, when I don't have anyone else to bother.

what??? lol. explain this

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Alisae

how do you tr alisae

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He wasn't even talking about much. How does that make him your top TR lmfao. And just based on past experience with him, i thought he was defensive at something that didn't need defense for.

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I'm just going to ignore him for a while. I'll probably support a wagon on him later on though, when I don't have anyone else to bother.

what??? lol. explain this

... Have I ever townread you? You and Transcend are my strongest scumreads so far. I happen to be pestering Transcend right now, and after that I'll be poking around for other scumreads. If neither of those plans pan out into a lynch I'll be getting on your wagon.



And before anyone else brings it up, I should have said I was ignoring Gerry talking about me, not ignoring him completely.

ok the last line is better. but the way you explained it made no sense. why do you think i'm mafia?

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I think either you or RC is scum

why?

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^ that makes no sense lol

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GG. Next time, don't quick hammer