Open 669 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Superhans]

For the record I still think Revan is scum, but it's a wastr to keep a vote on a VLA player.

It is only a waste to vote a player you think is scum while they are V/LA if you aren't getting traction on a wagon from other players. V/LA is not some magical shield wiping away the rest of their play.

He can't defend himself though... Moz can. I'm confident that Revans scum, absolutely, but I'd rather lynch him when he's active.

[MagnaofIllusion]

He can't defend himself though... Moz can. I'm confident that Revans scum, absolutely, but I'd rather lynch him when he's active.

You know this sort of attitude only encourages scum to go V/LA when under pressure, correct?

[Superhans]

Is Lucca VLA too?

[Superhans]

Hmm I thought it was against site rules to VLA tactically?

Nevertheless thats a point I hadn't considered.

[mozamis]

How is Rev "looking better"?

Are you literally just going to keep asking me questions? You seemed to have turned into "tunnelling town".
I get the approach, pile on the pressure, good for you. But in the end you also have to be able to change your mind. Hopefully you will do that soon.
Rev looks better partly cos he is voting Hans, obviously. And somehow he sounded a bit more honest, not quitre sure why, but he did.

[mozamis]

fuck it, I'm gonna give him points for trying, unlike almost everyone else.
Also, although annoying for me personally, I find his combative approach quite towny.

UNVOTE

Lets put some pressure on Mr. Bland:

VOTE LUCCA

[mozamis]

VOTE: Moz

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah wish i had seen this

[mozamis]

it's a wastr to keep a vote on a VLA player.

so put it on someone who is actually trying? Yeah, that makes sense...

[lucca261]

I'm here and reading, not V/LA. Sorry for the lack of activity today. Although I find it interesting that several players are inactive right now, and you pointed out me. Catching up.

[lucca261]

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@mozamis, 614: look at this. what's with the defeatist attitude? you have, like, one vote. are you doing this because sesq did it and he was town? is it on purpose?

@doom, 616: yeah, I like this post. he explains his thoughts clearly and clears every possible doubt on the breadcrumb. doom is solid town.

@hans, 622: don't like hans tone here. feels uncharacteristically (the biggest word I ever wrote on mafiascum) aggressive.

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@fitz, 628: waiting at that readlist I asked you about.

answering to UD on another post.

@hans, 637: wait. if you're town you should support your case regardless of what it is. you shouldn't be concerned about making your reads OMGUS. you only do that if you are scum.

@mozamis, 641: what did you saw on Revan's posts that you liked?

[lucca261]

so, at this point of D2, Mozamis decide to make a pressure vote on a player who's not getting lynched today and who was not a scumread of him two pages ago.

what changed on my spot that made you think I'm scum?

or is your vote just an empty pressure vote?

[Ultimate Despair]

I still think that Hans is scum. But his posting on D2 has been stronger. This, together with the Sesq and Friend flips that made me question my scumreads, makes me want to go with my gut today. And my gut says UD.

What sort of BS logic is that? "My reasoning is bad, so I'll take the course of action with as little reasoning as possible"?

- Junko

[Ultimate Despair]

Hard to coordinate with partner and avoid dissonance since we're both busy, but we both want to get Revan. I'm fine with doing it while he's inactive.

- Junko

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOD

– I’ll be V/LA from around noon today until Monday morning for my usual weekend V/LA.[/b]

What is it with people being unable to answer direct questions this game? UD has once again completely dodged my question from 640. At this point I think they stand a greater than likely chance of being Moz’s partner if I am correct on Moz.

@Lucca

– How long is it going to take you to actually vote today?

I expect Wguerts to be back with copius content by the time I return from V/LA. Friday has already passed and his continual lack of contribution to this game today has completely eroded my Town read on him.

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Are you literally just going to keep asking me questions? You seemed to have turned into "tunnelling town".
I get the approach, pile on the pressure, good for you. But in the end you also have to be able to change your mind. Hopefully you will do that soon.
Rev looks better partly cos he is voting Hans, obviously. And somehow he sounded a bit more honest, not quitre sure why, but he did.

Firstly tunneling only really occurs when someone focuses on a player and ignores everything else. I clearly am not doing that.

Furthermore I certainly am capable of changing my mind on reads when things warrant me doing so. None of your responses look remotely at all like they are coming from a Town perspective. Your explanation on how Revan looks better because he is “voting Hans” is pretty empty given that you give not a single notion towards the possibility of a bus there. Furthermore that you did basically no reassessment after Day 1 (you are sticking by your “early list” for your reads) doesn’t come from a Town perspective to my mind.

[MagnaofIllusion]

In case I suddenly die while on V/LA –

Lynch Moz. If they flip scum then UD is almost assuredly a partner. But my death via Daykill means the Moz slot has to be solved BEFORE LYLO and that would be today's lynch.

Lucca and Superhans are very likely Town in that circumstance so don’t lynch them unless you get to a 3 person LYLO and then really examine their posting the whole game before commiting to a scum read there.

Aside of Moz and UD I’d place approximate weight of other scum with Moz as follows …

Revan > Wgeurts / Doom > Having but there isn’t a ton of difference between the tiers there at this stage.

Now if Moz is somehow Town then all bets on my reads are off and I can't help you there.

[Superhans]

Hard to coordinate with partner and avoid dissonance since we're both busy, but we both want to get Revan. I'm fine with doing it while he's inactive.

- Junko

You haven't commented on the upcoming Mozagon that has popped up, which I find odd.considering your suspicion of her.

Also if u do want to lynch Revan now and aren't feeling the Moz wagon, why not place a vote on Revan? You've avoided committing yourself to either wagon.

[Superhans]

MOIs suspicion that he'll get lynched VLA is rather silly considering up until this point he's been probably the biggest town read. Just looking at Doomfeather trying shows how implausible it is.

[Superhans]

(@Doom I know it was a reaction test)

[Superhans]

Moz is L2 btw, so be careful you don't accidentally pull a UD and accidentally lynch.

[Superhans]

In case I suddenly die while on V/LA –

Lynch Moz. If they flip scum then UD is almost assuredly a partner. But my death via Daykill means the Moz slot has to be solved BEFORE LYLO and that would be today's lynch.

Lucca and Superhans are very likely Town in that circumstance so don’t lynch them unless you get to a 3 person LYLO and then really examine their posting the whole game before commiting to a scum read there.

Aside of Moz and UD I’d place approximate weight of other scum with Moz as follows …

Revan > Wgeurts / Doom > Having but there isn’t a ton of difference between the tiers there at this stage.

Now if Moz is somehow Town then all bets on my reads are off and I can't help you there.

You've forgotten someone...

[Superhans]

@UD if Moz flips:
Scum, who is the partner?
Town, who is the partner?

[Superhans]

My quick readlist, now caught up:

TOWN
--- Magna
--- Wgeurts
--- Fitz
--- Revan
--- Doom
--- Superhans/Mozamis
--- UD
SCUM

Would vote UD, Superhans or Mozamis today. The similar spot for Hans or Mozamis is because I think one of them is probably scum, but I'm not sure I can see them being scum together.

Strange that at this point in the game we couldn't be scum together? Care to explain why.

[Superhans]

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@mozamis, 614: look at this. what's with the defeatist attitude? you have, like, one vote. are you doing this because sesq did it and he was town? is it on purpose?

@doom, 616: yeah, I like this post. he explains his thoughts clearly and clears every possible doubt on the breadcrumb. doom is solid town.

@hans, 622: don't like hans tone here. feels uncharacteristically (the biggest word I ever wrote on mafiascum) aggressive.

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@fitz, 628: waiting at that readlist I asked you about.

answering to UD on another post.

@hans, 637: wait. if you're town you should support your case regardless of what it is. you shouldn't be concerned about making your reads OMGUS. you only do that if you are scum.

@mozamis, 641: what did you saw on Revan's posts that you liked?

ONLY do.it.if you're scum?
You really didn't understand my OMGUS point did you?

Reread what I actually said and it may make more sense.

[doomfeathers]

IV got Moz as suspect scum because I feel herreads are not genuine at all, and I think she may have deliberately chosen to evade multiple questions towards her which fits with her being scum.

Also I don't like her push on me but don't want to make my read OMGUS so won't elaborate.

If you're going to say you have a read, I'd go ahead and say what it is. Criticizing someone's vote for you isn't necessary OMGUS.

@Everone on the following vote-count

Not Voting (6): havingfitz, Ultimate Despair, , wgeurts, Superhans, doomfeathers

This far into the day why are you not voting?

Vote Count 2.4

Superhans

(2): Revan, mozamis

Ultimate Despair

(1): lucca261

Havingfitz

(1):

doomfeathers

Mozamis

(1): MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting

(6): havingfitz, Ultimate Despair, , wgeurts, Superhans,

doomfeathers

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Nothing has changed since the last vote count, but it's been awhile.

(expired on 2017-02-04 09:00:01) until deadline.

I got listed in two places.

@Mod: Could you take my name off the "not voting" list? Thanks!

MOIs suspicion that he'll get lynched VLA is rather silly considering up until this point he's been probably the biggest town read. Just looking at Doomfeather trying shows how implausible it is.

Not lynched, NKed.

[doomfeathers]

If UD were scum, would they have had motivation to quickhammer?

Revan's playstyle is rather shady. He doesn't show his hand at all. Still, he could be town doing deep analysis between posts, or just without time to play.

Mozamis could be scum, but I don't think we should lynch yet. There's still a lot of analysis to be done. I'm honestly not sure how to read either him or Revan.

I've been suspicious of Superhans and havingfitz, and townread lucca, but I'm not sure what to do now that I'm supposed to re-evaluate all my reads.