Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Spade_Ace]

Town apathy in general has hurt us. Esp the VTs who were lurking.

[Hawk]

Town apathy in general has hurt us. Esp the VTs who were lurking.

Doesn't matter now important thing is finding scum.

Who do you think is scumteam Spade and why?

[Hawk]

CD why should I think you are town?

[Hawk]

I won't be voting for Mala, because that wagon formed way to quickly for my liking, and gives me the impression that slot is a mislynch. I'm not town reading Mala, but I just don't have high confidence that Mala will flip red.

Right now, I think scum is lying within CD, Spade.

VOTE: Spade

VOTE: IV

It would be between him, Mala or a outside shot of Crystaline Dagger.

Hey Kop what did Spade do between these two posts to become clear from your sus list?... I'm really feeling Kop Spade right now guys...

[Aubrey]

I’d actually like some in depth reads from CD’s slot.

At a glance, CD felt good about myself, Spade, and Mala early on (Gamma Post). Pushed KT after he crumbed his role. Later Jin gut read Alisea against the grain, and voted Aelin even though they didn't think they were very scummy beyond choppy posting. Day two rolls around, and they stuck a vote on Mala for unknown reasons, other than gut that I can presume and feeling as if a post felt fake.

What is bothering me is that I'm not seeing a lot of reasons for why they are thinking X. Most are simple reads. Or they are following people that are already getting voted without actually taking initiative in finding scum first. aka: following where they smell blood. IV was already getting voted when they voted them, 4th vote. They entered the KT attack after KT was already under attack. 5th vote on Aelin after KT claimed, and it was clear IV wasn't going to get lynched. Could have joined the counter wagon against Alisea who was also at 5 votes, but this could be scum trying to gain town cred by killing a bud. Not to mention I think this was at a time that the lynch could have gone either way between the two wagons, and Alein put Alissea at L1 shortly after. This is actually a good place to be as scum regarding CD. You don't dirty your hands with a possible town lynch, or you possibly look good if you are on your scum buddies lynch at the end of the day. moving on, they were the first to vote Mala D2, but for a post they felt was fake, which I think is easy to blame someone on. Wasn't Mala also kinda under attack already from the town previously, or had some shifty eyes looking at her slot already? Afterwards they stay quite through the rest of the day phase as IV and Mala are up for the lynch.

There is also my post from yesterday regarding CD's slot

VOTE: CD

[Aubrey]

Since we are getting down to the wire, maybe our Backup-Role-Cop should claim now?

[Kop]

I won't be voting for Mala, because that wagon formed way to quickly for my liking, and gives me the impression that slot is a mislynch. I'm not town reading Mala, but I just don't have high confidence that Mala will flip red.

Right now, I think scum is lying within CD, Spade.

VOTE: Spade

VOTE: IV

It would be between him, Mala or a outside shot of Crystaline Dagger.

Hey Kop what did Spade do between these two posts to become clear from your sus list?... I'm really feeling Kop Spade right now guys...

It was a case that nobody was going in that direction, the flow was going towards who everyone suspected within IV, Mala at that stage and we needed a majority. Only IV I think was aiming for Spade.

Right now, I'm aiming for either Spade, or CD.

VOTE: Crystaline Dagger

[Hawk]

Since we are getting down to the wire, maybe our Backup-Role-Cop should claim now?

Probably but I'm not sure it matters right? I mean best case is we lynch their rolecop. Our backup calls out in twilight and that gives KT a better shot if he does shoot. or gives us two power roles going into final 4/3.

@Mod if we did manage to lynch the role cop tonight does our backup role cop immediately get the chance to check? Also does our Backup Role cop know they're a backup??

My lean is on CD Spade. But I can't rule out that Kop followed up Aubreys Vote on CD super fast.

Okay so here's where I am standing right now. Further ISO digging firmly plants me into a

Town: KT, Aubrey, Myself.

Which means Scum have to ly in the other three... I'm really trying to figure this out so we don't have to rely on a 50% Shot from KT to make a final 3 scenario.

Aubrey KT do you guys have any associative tells?

Kop who is CD's partner in this case cause I'm still feeling like you two might be scum buddies together. Spade I'm not sold on cause of how much Aelin seemed to pressure Spade D1...

[Hawk]

I won't be voting for Mala, because that wagon formed way to quickly for my liking, and gives me the impression that slot is a mislynch. I'm not town reading Mala, but I just don't have high confidence that Mala will flip red.

Right now, I think scum is lying within CD, Spade.

VOTE: Spade

VOTE: IV

It would be between him, Mala or a outside shot of Crystaline Dagger.

Hey Kop what did Spade do between these two posts to become clear from your sus list?... I'm really feeling Kop Spade right now guys...

It was a case that nobody was going in that direction, the flow was going towards who everyone suspected within IV, Mala at that stage and we needed a majority. Only IV I think was aiming for Spade.

Right now, I'm aiming for either Spade, or CD.

VOTE: Crystaline Dagger

Do you think Spade and CD are scum buddies?

[Spade_Ace]

Leaning towards Kop or CD lynch, preferably Kop. Cos it makes sense for one scum to be outside Aelins wagon.

@Hawk backup role cop is right now a VT for all practical purposes.
Tit for Tat :Town Backup Role Cop -

Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons both investigate as "Vanilla"

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[The MM]

Day 3 continues.

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Votecount

Not Voting (4)

: KainTepes, Spade_Ace, Crystalline Dagger, Hawk

Crystalline Dagger (2):

Aubrey, Kop

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-02-04 18:00:00)

I'm being crazy about practical formatting, so prepare to find...

experimental-looking

votecount posts in the future.

Have a nice day.
- The MMod

[Hawk]

@The MM. I know for all intents and purposes the backup investigates as vanilla but did his rolecard say VT or did his role card say backup rolecop

[Hawk]

@Mod

Did the players who are backup roles receive role cards stating they were backups when the game started or were they left in the dark. I can't find any definite answers from the first few posts.

[Aubrey]

Hawk, you known you can go to the Tic for Tac wiki and learn how that works. Here is what the backup Role Cop should have received.

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Town Backup Role Cop
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Backup Role Cop.
Abilities:
In the event the Mafia Role Cop dies, you will gain its power and be able to investigate a player at night to discover their role. Vanilla Townies are Mafia Goons both investigate as "Vanilla".
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

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I also don't see much point in the BRC remaining hidden any longer. It would help us in narrowing down suspects today. (Currently) 5 unknown. 1 Confirmed Town. After claim. 4 unknown. 2 confirmed town. If a scum does fake claim alongside the BRC claim, then we just have to decide between the two slots, and KT has to take appropriate measures post flip.

[Aubrey]

Know*

[Hawk]

I honestly forgot to check the wiki. Derp. I agree with you Aubrey. I'd like the BRC to come forward.

[Spade_Ace]

Am the BRC. The role became useless the moment the Backup JK got killed. BJK was the only role I could have got a positive scum read.

[Kop]

VOTE: spade_ace

[Kop]

And that is me counter claiming you.

[Aubrey]

UNVOTE:

Lynch one, Kill the other if we lynch incorrectly.

VOTE: Spade

[Kop]

You will be proven correct that I am telling the truth. That would leave Hawk yourself and CD to shoot within.

[Spade_Ace]

Of course. What else could you do.
VOTE: Kop

Aubrey he is faking it. Scum have no choice but to counter claim. If the scum pair is (kop,CD), then they knew they would lose tonight itself if one was lynched and the other shot. Lynch him.

[Aubrey]

:/

As far as I'm concerned, we are guaranteed a scum kill either today or through KT's shot. It doesn't really matter who is killed. The only difference is if we correctly lynch scum, there is a chance KT can end this with a correct shot since he won't have to shoot whoever is lying. If not, we end this at 2 v 1.

[Crystalline Dagger]

trust spade more, the sudden vote by aubrey feels scummy
gamma head vla until sunday

[Kop]

trust spade more, the sudden vote by aubrey feels scummy
gamma head vla until sunday

Yeah well if I get lynched, and it does show that I am the backup role cop, shoot Spade and lynch you tomorrow because this is a blatant scum claim if I've ever seen one.