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Omg I want to smack my head against a wall reading some of this arguing. I don't want to skim and miss out on tale tell signs but I'm about to. I'm still not caught up. I finally got to my own post on page 18 but now I need to get to 25. Can we all agree to stop tunneling each other just to stop the fluff posts? *sigh* well I reckon I need to get back to reading.-
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Alright here is how I work when I hafta catch up on a bunch of stuff. I write down notes as I go. My thoughts and opinions change as the notes go on but they are in chronological order so the ones at the bottom are current.
Firebringer (FB)- Claims miller. Early claim- day one. Possible real claim
RadiantCowbells(RC)- Counter claims; makes FB look scum
Grey- Tripping people up; then makes point about CC w/ vote
FrozenAngel (FA)- Points out things about the FB/RC for miller that go along with my own thoughts
Anotora- (Anot) Pointed out why RC being scum would have been bad for scum, this was called as scum by Grey.
Garmr claims both are town, becoming obvious that RC was joking.
Srceenplay (Screen) latched onto Garmr without doing anything.
Pepchoninga (Pep)- Standing up for Screen, says that we need pressure but we don’t need to lynch any time soon… well I’m not sure how that doesn’t say right away that pressure is no good since the lynch won’t happen. Worst way to pressure someone is to say but it’s a long day and let’s play this out… >.>
Anywho so my thoughts on a few people.
Anot gave reads which I was happy to see because even if scum it tells a lot about a person. I know a lot are voting here but I would place my vote somewhere safer.
Pep doesn’t seem to be on one solid path which makes me suspicious.
RC was giving pretty good explanations for game play which I would think scum would withhold so I’m leaning town.
FA seems like she is trying even is scattered with arguing, lean town.
FB is a LOT like one of my friends so I’m having a hard time separating him from what my friend would do. I do know my friend would be town if acting like that so since it is day one only I will stay town here.
Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.
Screen- This is my vote all day long. I’ve dealt with town screen and this is a full 180. Until we get better co-operation (which I know sounds horrible coming from someone who hasn’t been around but oh well) I’m going to vote here. When someone shows such a huge change in game play without giving reasons as to why it’s a red flag for me.
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If I didn't mention you it's due to null reasons.
kentofan5- Has this person checked in? I honestly don't remember anything from/about them
Obvious Alt- Don't recall anything specific here except how they are now playing the game on gut if I'm not mixing people up
Alisae- Good convo but that doesn't mean much doesn't look town or scum yet
Garmr- I was back and forth here; looks scum, then felt town... couldn't get one way or the other so has to be null
keyenpeydee- null, new to this game like I am, still trying to jump in.-
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Still takes away the effect by TELLING scum that we want to review every wagon before we lynch. If they think they have time to move the wagon they won't be pressured at all.In post 631, Pepchoninga wrote: Now, just to clear my words. What I say is that I see a lust for a fast lynch in some people. That doesn't necessarily make them scum, but going for not well though lynch increases the chance of a misslynch. Pressure is made to force reactions which inturn help you to get a good case. And you should not feel rushed to do that. That is what I'm saying. If there is someone who does give a lot of food to fead upon and people have come to a consensus then by all means a lynch could happen earlier. It's just we have time and we should be able to use it as we wish without necessarily making us look scummy.-
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I reckon... I don't usually like giving scum my intentions nor giving them time to think about their answers. I want honest reactions. That is done by scaring them. But that's just theory on the game. Anywho... I won't tie up the thread with theory. Those were just my notes and they are all opinions. I'm not calling you out on it.In post 636, Pepchoninga wrote: That's a good point, but really if we rush everything and go after the first thing that looks scummy enough it is much easier for scum to trick clown. If you go into a discussion and pursue the situation, even if scum changes the wagon you will have enough time to spot to player that is causing this to happen. In the end it is all a matter of who is more patient and who has the better nerves.-
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Because you are a good player. I've played with good players before and being a good player means I don't trust you until I see something more solid.In post 635, -Grey- wrote:
Where do you get the basis for this remark about me?In post 624, mlmooney89 wrote:Grey- I wouldn’t put anything past him. He is scum until proven innocent.-
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In post 641, Garmr wrote:I also feel like I should watch mlmooney89 closely. Her reasoning why she is not voting ano is meh. Not being safe? Voting scum is always a safe bet.
I feel like screenplay is the town counter wagon at this point and atleast one scum is on him.
Because I feel safer in the thought that srceenplay is scum. Why would I vote for someone over the person I really think is scum?-
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I've seen you play Grey that's why I know. And good players are three best at hiding they are scum and for the longest time I always believed the good players every time. As you can see I'm not lynching you so I have my doubts and won't do anything drastic tool I have more info but I'm not letting a good player slide by.-
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Lol y'all are so vain wanting to know how I think of you.In post 647, Alisae wrote:
How does this make me null?In post 632, mlmooney89 wrote:Alisae- Good convo but that doesn't mean much doesn't look town or scum yet
Jk
But for real good convo doesn't mean town it just means you know how to keep the convo going. Which kudos you are doing again. I won't lie when people interrogate me I feel them more town cause I know I'm town so scum wouldn't interrogate as much as point fingers.
No now that I've said that no one else gets a free town lean for interrogating me :p-
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Lol thank you for mentioning the avatar. I was thrown off for a moment and was gunna 'harass' ya. (On the phone I hafta keep zooming in to read names :pIn post 735, Frozen Angel wrote:
I can't see how would you plan a reaction test based on the fact an L1 player is going to claim or notIn post 723, Pepchoninga wrote:Yes I'm asking him would he. To see his reaction. I'm telling him to do it like Alisae.
And I've explained what him refusing to reveal and him doing it would do imo.
BTW not game related : the avatar is annadog's fault. blame her who forcibly made me join to her army!
Also y'all my name is Mandy if that helps with pronouns or easier to remember.
Also also I'm here and what not but it appears to just be arguing and tunneling again so I will wait till I get to work and my desktop to say anything relevant.-
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No see the situation is I don't have anything against him except he is good at being naughty. So he should be null under those circumstances but in my notes and thoughts I label him scum. I wouldn't ever lynch someone on my thoughts with no proof so while I still see him as scum I hafta treat him like null.In post 752, Frozen Angel wrote:regarding the things you asked - the choice of words - if they weren't used by mandy before would be blantly twisting and really scummy but it wasn't the case so the quations actually feel ok now.
and Mandy kindda - sligtly - contradicted herself - first she said you're scum until she finds a strong towny thing then she appeased like she has you as null and is not comfortable declaring you as town.
There is a difference between the two - that is annoying.
You are participating just fine. Don't worry about that aspect.In post 780, Frozen Angel wrote:
I never misrepresented the game state - I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding it correctlyIn post 778, -Grey- wrote:
Twice now, I've caught you misrepresenting the gamestate.In post 773, Frozen Angel wrote:why did I went down in your list?
If you have r/l issues I'm sorry, but you should replace out if you can't dedicate the attention the game requires. I'm not letting you skate.
I'm dedicating the attention game requires as much as I can and you're request - that I should replace out means nothing to me.-
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And see this is where my scum thoughts are coming up again on Grey. Bullying FA, (I'm not saying she is or isn't town I'm saying you are not playing mafia Grey you are bullying) and the whole chanting in three posts about telling us to change our votes to his vote? Childish. I really want to change my vote to him now but hell he could just be a jerk and pretty anti-town.-
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Why because I think he is being a jerk? Well okay then.In post 895, Garmr wrote:
Honestly this post makes me feel like mlmooney is scum.In post 885, mlmooney89 wrote:And see this is where my scum thoughts are coming up again on Grey. Bullying FA, (I'm not saying she is or isn't town I'm saying you are not playing mafia Grey you are bullying) and the whole chanting in three posts about telling us to change our votes to his vote? Childish. I really want to change my vote to him now but hell he could just be a jerk and pretty anti-town.
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I did read the conversation and I'm not saying FA isn't being dramatic I'm just saying Grey is being a jerk. I'm sorry I've read his scum game before and came off pulling all the strings so I don't trust him which is how my view on him started out scummy. He managed to make me think he was a jerk in this game all by himself. I will try to pull the quotes real quick before I leave work but if I can't I will tomorrow morning.In post 920, Garmr wrote:
Honestly He didn't do that much to FA anyway he didn't make it personal he keeped it to ingame things only. He has a lot of faith in his reads and can come off as arrogance through.In post 913, mlmooney89 wrote:
Why because I think he is being a jerk? Well okay then.In post 895, Garmr wrote:
Honestly this post makes me feel like mlmooney is scum.In post 885, mlmooney89 wrote:And see this is where my scum thoughts are coming up again on Grey. Bullying FA, (I'm not saying she is or isn't town I'm saying you are not playing mafia Grey you are bullying) and the whole chanting in three posts about telling us to change our votes to his vote? Childish. I really want to change my vote to him now but hell he could just be a jerk and pretty anti-town.
Still think he is a bully.
But can you like list examples of were his being abusive to Fa and not just prideful.
Your scum because you frame him for being anti town and devaluing his comments, you make him out to be a villain ect when he did was express his views on FAwhen you actually read the conversation.
FA does this a lot you can see traces of her trying to get emotional and trying to start shit with the earlier engagement with me. Honestly people like you enable FA in games.-
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But also let me reiterate that I don't think he actually is scum. This is just my personal opinion about his behavior. This is actually adding to the fluff and drama so I probably shouldn't have said I would get the quotes but I will since I promised them. I am not lynching nor am I going to vote for Grey today based off him being a jerk. I'm still on Srceenplay. When it is this early in the game and with no flip to analyze you go off what you have. What I have is knowledge of other games Srceenplay has played as town and this isn't it.-
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Okay I'm literally supposed to be closing the building but just so I get a mark of where I was this was the comment that really irritated me because she wasn't lying she was mistaken and all he does over and over is call her a liar and a pathological one at that. There are more but they will be tomorrow.In post 796, -Grey- wrote:
Lie #1 debunked.In post 740, -Grey- wrote:
No, I'm not.In post 734, Frozen Angel wrote:he didn't say that. You're kinda twisting his words here ...
In post 624, mlmooney89 wrote:He is scum until proven innocent.
Busted lie #2In post 775, -Grey- wrote:
Too bad for your narrative that Pepto was pushing for a claim at L-2, not L-1.In post 772, Frozen Angel wrote:I don't see why psp asking Ano for claim in L1 is a bad thing. I think his "this was for reaction" makes no sense though.
You're pathological.In post 790, -Grey- wrote:
Lie number three.In post 789, Frozen Angel wrote:Now that I asked some you're saying I should just replace out
I suggested you replace out if you couldn't devote the required attention to this game before your questions.-
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I'm back. So I'm curious how many real days do these day one phases usually last in these types of games last? Cause I am really bad at day one and would like to move to day two asap. I don't know y'all and I don't know playstyles so I have to go on lynches and wagons. I'm just curious about averages here. Cause all I'm seeing is baseless arguing on multiple fronts.-
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Well I know srceenplay and Grey enough but that isn't getting me anywhere. I've explained that this isn't srceenplay playing like his normal town self and that doesn't seem to matter. Grey is unpredictable so I can't do much with him either. I'm willing to lynch just about anyone at this point. Well I reckon I think FB is my best town lean still so maybe not him.-
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I meant averages. How long do they usually last not how long we have till it ends itself.In post 1285, BigYoshiFan wrote:In post 1284, mlmooney89 wrote:I'm back. So I'm curious how many real days do these day one phases usually last in these types of games last? Cause I am really bad at day one and would like to move to day two asap. I don't know y'all and I don't know playstyles so I have to go on lynches and wagons. I'm just curious about averages here. Cause all I'm seeing is baseless arguing on multiple fronts.Deadline:(expired on 2017-01-16 14:00:00)-
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Actually the way I play mafia isn't as much on reactions, at least not in the first 'day'. I get a feel for everyone day one and then I use the lynch, flip, night kill, and wagons to deduce things. I have only played part of a game on this site but I have played a lot of games on other sites. You get so much info from a flip, well I do. Once I get that initial info I can start putting people to real reads. I promise if we could get to day two you will see more interaction from me. Right now it just seems to be arguing over the same stuff. We have nothing real to go on. I'm under the thought that with how many we have in this game we can mislynch one townie day one which is why I'm not too upset over who we lynch.In post 1295, Pepchoninga wrote:
Even tho you entered the scene later, this used as an excuse is bad and suspicious. You cannot judge somebody's playing style of another game they have played. People change there metas and also they sometimes experiment. So it doesn't really matter if you know the people here that well. All you really need to do is read people's actions and create opinions. Then persue those opinions.In post 1286, mlmooney89 wrote:Well I know srceenplay and Grey enough but that isn't getting me anywhere. I've explained that this isn't srceenplay playing like his normal town self and that doesn't seem to matter. Grey is unpredictable so I can't do much with him either. I'm willing to lynch just about anyone at this point. Well I reckon I think FB is my best town lean still so maybe not him.
Honestly you won't know anyone better if you don't start being more active in the discussion. I doubt that the lynch we end up having today and the night kill will help you understand people.
It's all about the wagons and how they form. If the person flips red the first ones and the last ones are more than likely town. The scum tends to lay in the middle. They don't want to be the one to start the finger pointing at their own people this early in the game but they also don't want to be the deciding vote for them to go unless it's the only way for them to look town.
The more we chit chat and attack each other for he said she said the more things get lost in the thread. If we have shorter days we get easier to read reactions. I know this is just my way of thinking so I'm not saying the long days are wrong they just feel very drawn out and broken record to me. Anywho we know there is scum in the most active players and someone is pushing the buttons.-
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Well from my experience scum wants us to be too lazy to back track through 50+ pages to find their weak points. Push the convo along and builds up protection on you.In post 1329, PantherPunt wrote:
How do we know that, now?In post 1327, mlmooney89 wrote:Anywho we know there is scum in the most active players and someone is pushing the buttons.-
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Two kinds of scum. One is the newer less experienced kind sure they will fly under the radar. Second is the more vocal ones and this thread is way too long not to have one of those here. Specially with so many seasoned players.In post 1335, -Grey- wrote: From my experience, the more content scum creates, the more opportunities they have to get caught.
Well I would say FA seems to be playing in pushing convos but I actually knew someone that was more defensive as town and more 'eh you are wrong' as scum so that makes me wary of assuming since it's proof that people can act opposite of the common ways. (one would assume someone would be more defensive as scum due to nerves and such)In post 1336, PantherPunt wrote: Do you think that among those with a high post count, some are particularly fluffy and others particularly solvey?
Grey has been very pushy in his own thoughts such as posting three of the same posts so that seems fluffy but based on his game play that might just be him trying to get his way. He is very arrogant by claiming he WON'T be lynched today which goes in the same way as the attitude it would take for town to spam like he was.
And then there is Pep. Honestly I don't see the scum Grey does but I could be biased because I don't want to agree with Grey. Still Pep has kept convos going and paired that with town feels could be scum. I think I would need to know how experienced Pep is...
Hey Pep how many games have you played?
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I have a few newbie to this site questions;
Alt- I was thinking that means you have more than one account. Is that correct? If so I just read RC's sig (mostly ignore those) and it says titus. One is a he and one is a she. Are you the same person in my last game?
So this is a normal game... does that mean we can have more than one of certain roles or that they will be slightly different but same main role?-
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Bumping so I can at least get an answer to the certain roles. I might change my votes based on this answer.In post 1656, mlmooney89 wrote:I have a few newbie to this site questions;
Alt- I was thinking that means you have more than one account. Is that correct? If so I just read RC's sig (mostly ignore those) and it says titus. One is a he and one is a she. Are you the same person in my last game?
So this is a normal game... does that mean we can have more than one of certain roles or that they will be slightly different but same main role?-
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##"Normal Games may use any amount of approved roles (so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers."
Cool that means we can have more than one. Okies then, thank you.
Damn I had quotes saved for after I got my answers but I lost them when I bumped it. Guess I will go back for them.-
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Thank youIn post 1695, Frozen Angel wrote:
alt means seconadary account yes. Titus and RC are two different people and that sig is a joke lol. (I know them and they are separate people - trust me)In post 1688, mlmooney89 wrote:
Bumping so I can at least get an answer to the certain roles. I might change my votes based on this answer.In post 1656, mlmooney89 wrote:I have a few newbie to this site questions;
Alt- I was thinking that means you have more than one account. Is that correct? If so I just read RC's sig (mostly ignore those) and it says titus. One is a he and one is a she. Are you the same person in my last game?
So this is a normal game... does that mean we can have more than one of certain roles or that they will be slightly different but same main role?-
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Alright posting them in one place for easy reference;
Secret Agent Jin (LYNCH) - Firebringer, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Alisae, Garmr, Pepchoninga, Frozen Angel
Alisae (L-4) - Srceenplay, PantherPunt, Anotora
-Grey- (L-6) - Secret Agent Jin
Srceenplay (L-6) - mlmooney89
Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald
Prior wagons;
Anotora (L-1) - Garmr, Srceenplay, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Frozen Angel, Alisae
Pepchoninga (L-1) - Anotora, -Grey-, Alisae, RadiantCowbells, Garmr, SAJ
Secret Agent Jin (L-1) - Firebringer, Frozen Angel, RadiantCowbells, -Grey-, Alisae, Garmr-
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With those wagons I'm thinking I will back off srceenplay. He didn't vote for SAJ despite it being a town wagon, which Anotora did as well.
I will also clear Garmr.
Grey and SAJ turned out town so there goes my other scum radar.
That leaves FB (which I find town), RC, Alisae, Pep, and FA on the lynch wagon.
FA was on everyone except Pep
RC & Alisae was on everyone so I'm leaning town
Pep was on no one but the lynch
I know someone else made the prior wagons list so before I start accusing anyone I would like to look at the votes myself. Unfortunately this flip happened right before I'm going home for the night and I don't think I can get that kind of data on my phone, I will see if I cant get my laptop out.-
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Holy crap, are y'all all in Europe or summin? I was sitting there at 5pm with almost no one on and then I go home and go to bed and there are over 10 pages. It seems to always work like that. Then I spend all morning trying to catch up. Anywho I've been tagging the posts as I was reading them so this is in order of how it happened....
I know this is petty but could you please put the other M in my name? Every time but when you voted you called me looney.
Screw you, just because I didn't trust you doesn't make me bad. I wasn't risking my investigation on RC or Grey. It was between you, Pep, and FA and honestly I didn't like you the most. At least now you got Pep and I can clear you so it worked out.In post 2275, Garmr wrote:
UNVOTE: mlmooney
If you are a cop you are the worst cop ever. It was pretty obvious I was town day 1 to nearly everyone what a waste of a investigation if you are one.
Except there is.In post 2280, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah sure but come on there's not a weak vanilla cop a watcher and a cop variant in the same game.
You go after him and I will go after you.In post 2313, Anotora wrote:
Nah, if Pepcho flips town we lynch Garmr.In post 2311, Firebringer wrote:Let's lynch pepcho.
VOTE: pepcho
If pepcho flips town we lynch RC.
More confidant RC is town than pepcho
Agreed.In post 2323, Frozen Angel wrote:
I just explained why this logic sucksIn post 2320, Anotora wrote:Supposing Pepcho flips green (and that's a pretty big SUPPOSE) he'll either be vanilla (lynch Garmr because Garmr lied about an investigative result) or a PR that could reasonably have been applied to -Grey- N1 (lynch RC).
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In post 2023, mlmooney89 wrote:With those wagons I'm thinking I will back off srceenplay. He didn't vote for SAJ despite it being a town wagon, which Anotora did as well.
I will also clear Garmr.
Grey and SAJ turned out town so there goes my other scum radar.
That leaves FB (which I find town), RC, Alisae, Pep, and FA on the lynch wagon.
FA was on everyone except Pep
RC & Alisae was on everyone so I'm leaning town
Pep was on no one but the lynch
I know someone else made the prior wagons list so before I start accusing anyone I would like to look at the votes myself. Unfortunately this flip happened right before I'm going home for the night and I don't think I can get that kind of data on my phone, I will see if I cant get my laptop out.
Okay one I didn't say I was clearing you from investigation I was adding it along with my clearing of SP. I wasn't going to even further comment on you until everyone started throwing hissy fits over claiming and how you were pushing that you were 80% sure a cop cleared you so yeah I THEN said something more definite.In post 2339, Garmr wrote:
Lets ignore the fact that I was obvious town for a second.In post 2338, mlmooney89 wrote: Screw you, just because I didn't trust you doesn't make me bad. I wasn't risking my investigation on RC or Grey. It was between you, Pep, and FA and honestly I didn't like you the most. At least now you got Pep and I can clear you so it worked out.
Even if you scum read me you shouldn't of investigated me and saved it for someone null. If it's someone null and they turned out town you wouldn't have any suspicion drawn to your role if you put them into the town pile suddenly (as long as you put a bs excuse up). But in the case that happened you didn't make up a reason to call me town, instead you said "garmr cleared" that's pretty obvious for anyone that reads it.
I just noticed that your new and all so it's understandable you don't know the way cops played the best way. I made similar mistakes when I was new to.
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1. Make up bull shit reasoning why you think their town to make it harder for scum to realize it's a cop clear when you die town can figure it out.
2. Don't investigate scum reads lynch them it's better to figure out null reads or hard reads for you.
Two just because people were reading you as town means nothing to me. I may be new to this site but I'm not new to mafia. I target who I want not who you think I should. I didn't trust you so I investigated you to see if I could. It was day one and I didn't have shit on anyone so I wanted someone active that wasn't in the middle of all that chaos that was Grey and RC. I got what I wanted out of it and I sure as hell didn't waste it because your asshole persona would have had me doubting you at every turn. Now I can trust you and your leads.-
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You were calling me bad at my role because you 'were obvious town' that was your opinion and yet you were being rude. Then you tell me how to play by -your- standards. Again I was just saying that based on the wagons I wanted to lay off you, SP, and Anotora. YOU fished for me being a cop. If that isn't anti town I don't know what is. If you felt I was soft claiming the town thing to do would have been to keep it to yourself to see what I would do with the info not blast it to everyone that a cop cleared you. But you have the arrogance to tell ME how I could have done that better... So yeah I was ticked at you. Plus the asshole persona thing was from day one's actions. That's the whole reason I investigated you because how you were acting was more off putting than I could easily say was town. That being said I know you are town so I won't tunnel you nor argue further.In post 2341, Garmr wrote:Calls people assholes when they offer advice. Pretty much calls town assholes when they do a none emotional response -grey-. Self projecting much.
Sure your not new to mafia but that's like saying i'm not new to league of legends so I can be diamond (after 100 normal games). The fact that 2339 was meant to be nice and helpful not sarcastic.
On another note. I'm now worthless tonight so can't be of anymore use as a cop. >.>-
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In post 2343, Frozen Angel wrote:Mandy I was screaming for a vig shot to get conf town to make grey check meaningful
You should have targeted me obviously
You were so mixed up in that ordeal I figured everyone and their brother was targeting you, RC, or Grey. I wasn't wasting my vote if something happened to any of you and wasn't coming close to y'all with a ten foot pole.-
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Yeah let's ignore that I cleared Garmr before he claimed to have watched someone. You have been pushing a little too hard today. I'm getting serious scum vibes from you.In post 2378, Anotora wrote:
Exactly. The reason I distrust mlmooney's claim is because I almost fully trust Garmr.In post 2377, RadiantCowbells wrote:It's conspiracy level bullshit to suggest that Garmr is scum here.
VOTE: Anotora-
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Excuse me I DID NOT quit because I was called out. You can assume whatever you want but I quit because I couldn't handle the newbie game. I have been scum five games in a row on my other site and have never quit and I won two of them. I don't shy away from scum roles. My scum partner had no idea how to play and she was literally throwing me under the bus right out the door. Even Grey said something about it in the night thread which is now open for people to read. I realized playing a beginner game was not in my best interests because I was holding my scum partner to too high of a standing. I didn't go into that game with the right mind set and so I bowed out before I ruined the game for others. Plus Titus and I had VERY different ideas on how it should be played.
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Now that the game is over SP I will say that the reason I voted for you day one was because of your two different plays. You were the single best player in the newbie game, hence why you were killed so quickly. You were active and vocal and on board. This game you were acting very strange. I do see that you have picked up more today which is interesting but still leads me to think you might be trying to feel out your scum role. Day one quiet, night was coached, day two more talkative?-
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It's not just Alisae it's the two of you together Anotora.
I mean we are all ready to lynch Anotora for other reasons. At least if we lynch him and he flips green that would kinda clear Alisae in my eyes. Mind you it wouldn't be confirm just more town lean. Because if Anotora was town why would scum Alisae even do the fake hammer? That at least gives us one helpful bit of info even if we ML.-
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By all means work this out with me. (not being sarcastic, I really mean it)In post 2591, Frozen Angel wrote:Unfourtunatly that logic is faulty Mandy
I still DO think Anotora is scum enough to keep my vote on him. What I am saying the worst case scenario of IF we are wrong at least we still get summin from his lynch. I can see them BOTH being scum or just Anotora but not just Alisae. If Alisae was and not Anotora what would the point be to clear him when he was already on our chopping block and a good kill for scum?-
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I know Alisae has since took back his theory but I already clicked the quotes and will comment just to further solidify why that would be a bad theory.
And the moment one of us went down the whole scum team would go down too. If we are a scum team we are the worst one I have ever seen.In post 2811, Alisae wrote:Let me explain why mlmooney, Garmr, RC could be a potental scumteam.
Let's say Grey really did want to visit RC. And the scumteam kills him for it.
Garmr fakeclaims watcher and frames Pep.
To make it even more real, mlmooney fakeclaims cop to clear Garmr. This also makes sense for it to be fake because there really isn't a reason to investigate Garmr when you could investgate Ano or Me.
A fakeclaim watcher here makes perfect sense. The scumteam has an idea who they are going to visit. And making an assumption that no one is going to visit Grey besides FA is a safe assumption.
So they roleblock FA.
And we're pairing up RC here because they're trying to protect him cuz he'll be an easy lynch.
Basicly they fakeclaim cop and watcher to frame pep and attempt to get pep lynched.
Let me reiterate; I am useless now, can't investigate nor clear anyone tomorrow.In post 2813, Alisae wrote:Hell if I didn't come up with this theory, I would not be surprised if RC was "cleared" by mlmooney tomorrow.
Doesn't his not fighting it tell you exactly what you need to know? He knows he was caught and he is staying silent to protect his team.In post 2812, Alisae wrote:Pep you need to claim, like, in your next post.
For the exact reason it worked out for us the way it did. He could verify who was involved in Grey's death if it came to that.In post 2874, Alisae wrote:To me it doesn't make sense why Garmr would watch Grey over you.
Again I disagree with this fully. When there was such a large spotlight on the three of you I wasn't risking everyone piling on you and either wasting my power by; dying with you if someone killed you, having more than one person verify you scum/town, or you dying and the flip saying more than my power. I picked someone I didn't trust but was vocal and out of the spotlight on that whole scenario. Now I have someone not involved that I can trust his reads are town driven. I am not regretting using my power on him at all.In post 2875, Frozen Angel wrote:He had no townread on me
and he has no townread on me still
if he was on me we could get the rb instead of pep - best possible senario was mandy checking me and garmr watching grey this whole crap would have been sorted then-
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Alright things are going badly. I'm glad to see I was right about FA and we didn't waste a lynch on her >.> Not that y'all seen opposed to lynching town. Let's stop playing around. RC is no longer to be trusted. Let's kill Pep and bring down their rp abilities since our abilities seen to be getting used up.-
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Ermergerd why do y'all do this to me? Y'all chit chat while I sleep so I have to read pages to catch up first thing in the morning and then a whole page is tic tac toe? Y'all suck. Anywho game details.
Only two till I get to work.
1 lay off rc
2 I was always taught to lynch Miller at the first claim but I didn't cause y'all were against it. Are we for it now?-
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I have literally thought everyone except PantherPunt was scum at some point this game so I'm not really trusting anyone right now.
2. PantherPunt- didn't help lynch town D1, voted for Pep and not on the town wagon D2, Didn't vote D4... I'm going to say lean heavy town.
3. Srceenplay- I am going back and forth here.
5. Gamma Emerald- FA said his part doesn't work in this game and she turned up right about being town and a few role things so I'm willing to lynch on that alone.
6. Alisae- Went over the voting and he was on the end of the wagons and not on pep's at all but a lot of people were against lynching the scum. I also keep thinking back to the fake lynch he did. Why would scum push a townie to claim?
9. RadiantCowbells- Town
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Okay I get that this is all WIFOM kind of stuff so either way you look at it things are suspicious but I'm going on standing on one side and trying not to get caught up in WIFOM'in. As scum Alisae wanted to out a VT after pretending to lynch and then securing a pretty townie basis for that person? Yes I know there are legit reasons why he might want that but come on that's pretty elaborate scheming. Are we giving this scum team that much credit when their weak attempt to frame RC fell through with their own murder of FA?In post 3366, PantherPunt wrote:
just an FYI, using the info that someone didn't help lynch town is not a town indicator. town is uninformed and often wrong. mafia is informed and because people think things like this, they'll often avoid being on a mislynch wagon if there are competing town wagons or there is otherwise no need for their vote to accomplish a mislynch.In post 3357, mlmooney89 wrote:I have literally thought everyone except PantherPunt was scum at some point this game so I'm not really trusting anyone right now.
2. PantherPunt- didn't help lynch town D1, voted for Pep and not on the town wagon D2, Didn't vote D4... I'm going to say lean heavy town.
3. Srceenplay- I am going back and forth here.
5. Gamma Emerald- FA said his part doesn't work in this game and she turned up right about being town and a few role things so I'm willing to lynch on that alone.
6. Alisae- Went over the voting and he was on the end of the wagons and not on pep's at all but a lot of people were against lynching the scum. I also keep thinking back to the fake lynch he did. Why would scum push a townie to claim?
9. RadiantCowbells- Town
12. Firebringer- Miller; willing to lynch
also, the question you ask at the end of the alisae line - "why would scum push a townie to claim." this should be very very apparent, no? scum know alignments but not roles. knowing roles helps them decide who to target with their actions and their kill and who not to target
p-edit: I wrote this a while ago and never submitted before getting distracted by work.-
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Oh my god. RC you are behaving just like Garmr. Oh I'm so town it's so fucking obvious why are you such a bad cop to investigate me? You must be scum.
Wtf grow up. Get over yourself. I will tell you the same thing I told him. I. Didn't. Trust. You. Yeah that flip from FA helped put you in town but yesterday your whole act put you back in scum. I don't play by yalls rules I play by my own and I investigate the loud players that I know have away with the group. Once I know they are trying to lead in the right direction I trust them. You fucked us over on Ant and gave scum another chance to kill and use powers by not killing pep. Now you want to lynch the cop?
And I wasn't nk'd last night because I made sure to make it seem like I was out of shots.
I will probably survive one more night simply cause I'm useless again tonight. I won't survive the next night. So we need to get things on a good path since you keep leading us astray RC.
Gamma's spot is pretty much dead since the new kid (which welcome, kudos on taking such a spot) confirmed the same role and FA seemed pretty certain that role wouldn't work as town. The fact that he dropped as well seems pretty claiming after Pep was lynched.-
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