WWE Mafia - RAW (OFF TELEVISION)

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Because IaI would have worked with Titus saw my claim and tunneled Pepto or Maria R into dust.

Smackdown literally needs Titus to be a rallying cry to lynch scum here.

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What makes you so sure Titus is town

Titus as scum would not attack masons. She would buddy and kill them. Titus also never busses hardly ever. Between that and the mechanics I strongly think Titus is town I just wish she would talk with me.

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Spoiler: For the Queen of Moon Logic of Truth

http://insertface.com/download-image.ph ... 26t%3DVIEW

Go lynch MariaR and provide input on RAW please.

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I vigged him.

Does anyone

read

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/me cries a bit inside

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no I didn't read last ~10 pages sorry

Then go read.

Spoiler: Grey

Bad idea on the waiting. If Massive brings over scum it could be LyLO sooner than you think. Do you honestly think 4 kills could happen and have all those kills be Town?

Why Vifam?

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VOTE: Vifam

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Spoiler: Grey

Assume they have two kills. Assuming they have any scum over there they can pick a townie and then get up to half a lynch so fast.
LyLO at that point would be with 9 not 7 if they tell the truth about the half a lynch thing.

Reason assume three scum 4 town. One town votes another. Scum votes Town. That is half a lynch. Then scum instantly end it. The true "LyLO" where voting can happen freely moves up.

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Spoiler: DiamondSentinel

I am pretty damn sure you and Titus are the same alignment as I said yesterday. I do not see the masons claim as valid. MariaR based on the post I pointed out is the most likely.

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So you guys are saying that the team in SD originally started out Me/Maria/Pepto and the only ability scum had aside from their nightkill is a two shot dayvig with restrictions

I am saying that Maria+Pepto are that way. You being Vanilla I didn't theorize as you don't post enough. I don't see having three Town vig roles. (Myself plus the two claimed masons).

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Spoiler: DS

I don't see Massive making the post below if scum with Pepto.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8706563

Because in that world it is a high possibility that some players never play. I used my one shot.

Assume I vig D1 and hit town.
Assume 1 NK and one kill from doctor both Town.
Assume "mason" vig D2.
Assume 1 NK and one kill from doctor both Town.

That is 6 Town decimated by day three without a vote. The thread had 13 to start.
If three scum then this is LyLO without having some players required to play ever.
If four that is GG.

I don't believe a mod would allow that possibility.

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Without a vote to lynch*

That would be so demoralizing to players thinking they can't do shit and now it is LyLO?

Just no. I don't see a world where Vince does this.

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Spoiler: Grey

Vifam I can see. I don't see AC though.

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If you assume I never get traded over then it is still mislynch D1 then could lose the game. I just don't buy the mod would put something like that in.

Pedit Because my highest townread says so and my reads were shit on RAW yesterday.
Both being scum would be ridiculous. Even disregarding balance then players would have to have to accept "randomness" as the best default state. It would potentially win scum or Town the game on a dice flip. Either one is scum or none. Leaning none.

I prefer person thanks for asking.

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You're on the opposite brand though, the masons have to be together for them to activate their move the minute one of them is killed/drafted the move is useless. I don't see why it's that unbelievable, especially seeing as you have one shot, and dayvigs are mostly used on D1 before anyone could draft but since Bannana wasn't doing anything it got used later than normal

That is why I put it day one.

But a good mod doesn't count for "usual". This site meta is you day vig D1. However in f2f games that is usually not the case. I think some sites are trending later especially as JoATs. I don't see Kuroi putting in a scenario in which a D1 mislynch could lose Town the game.

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Spoiler: Grey

No. see prior paragraph where one or none are scum. I think if you aren't lynching in the masons lynch a lurker or DS. If DS is scum Titus is.

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After I scream all day about reading both threads people don't read both threads.

*sigh*

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Spoiler: Smackdown

If there wasn't the mason vig claim that is so anti my own rolePM I would lynch DS here for the scumread of Titus EoD that he drops today at start of day.

Pedit Vifam
Yes...so? It is still a way Town could lose on D1. I don't see any mod doing that. I also didn't use my vig shot and debated just campaigning for a switch.

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I rarely ever use vulgarity, but this was so frustrating I went off my way for a second and had to reedit upon revision.

WHY Tywin? And why do it HERE? I'm sure he had something to say that would have probably helped us in this thread as he seemed to be quite the scum hunter. *Sigh*

I have yet to read anything n SD, but I'm going to have to do an ISO of Tywin soon to see how he viewed the situation on both threads.

I have one more thing to say, but -for fear it might be misunderstood- I'm going to keep it to myself for now.

~A50

Please explain I don't like this fear it might be misunderstood bit.

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@Math:

I have yet to read anything on SD TODAY. I've just got in, so reading my own thread first. That's what I meant. I haven't even opened the hydra PT yet to see if Chara had anything to say.

~A50

Oh okay sorry. Just frustrated over not reading. Why play mafia if you won't read?

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Spoiler: Smackdown

If there wasn't the mason vig claim that is so anti my own rolePM I would lynch DS here for the scumread of Titus EoD that he drops today at start of day.

Pedit Vifam
Yes...so? It is still a way Town could lose on D1. I don't see any mod doing that. I also didn't use my vig shot and debated just campaigning for a switch.

It's not an autoloss on D1 if you make the shot over here...while they're in they're in SD

No setup should ever start it is not an auto loss on D1 if...ever

That setup doesn't get past any reviewer.

Spoiler: Grey

Uhm that is ridiculous. You don't do nothing on Smackdown and wait for Raw lol.

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MB what exactly is your restriction to make your shot

I said it yesterday when I used it. Before d4 and before LyLO.

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Spoiler: Grey

Good point

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One shot cannot be used after d4 (typo before but no way it wasn't being used then when I scumread DTS so hard) and can't be used in LyLO. That is it yeah.

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Because I wasn't sure if it was a restriction or not. I went along with it because calling myself an asshole can be fun and liberating. I talked about it later with Kuroi and it was more flavortext like. Apparently Randy Orton is a mean guy.

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Yeah no. Those reads on Smackdown are horrible. There's no way Vifam should be top tier town.

Because Grey is a top tier town read of mine and if Vifam flips town then pretty much that's instant permission for Grey to be the lynch over there.

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I want Titus to chime in.

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They*

Doesn't make me conf. However I like you.

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Read isn't conf but yeah I am Town no need to quit mafia.

If any of the mason claimed are Town it is Pepto. I don't believe Maria R and that there would be three Town vigs. (Myself plus mason claim) I just don't see it.

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If one mason is town, why would they lie about the other?

They obviously share alignment.

Likely both town.

Mason fake claims are more prevalent than one thinks.

They can be used and then ask not to touch them. Three day vigs is too many for this setup.

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Like...wtf?!?!

VOTE: Unvote

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How the hell is there a setup that could cause Town to lose if they fucking mislynch D1 in this setup. Wtf?

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I am going to bed three vigs in a game and a Town dog that kills...Just no.

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Doc*

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Looks like light ganski?

Anywho I think all my reads are jack shit backwards possibly. My brain is mindfucked.

I would have lynched the mason claims in a heart beat three vigs in this many players is crap.

Vifam talk with me about your reads?

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McMenno is kinda who I want to leave alone. Reason being is he seems like the easy mislynch.

After rereading my gut still says Pep.

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VOTE: Pepochoninga

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So let's start from what we know:

Vifam is confirmed town unless 5 scum in 13 which is shit.
AC is likely town because of PR results on Nero claimed. If he doesn't get killed before LyLO then reexamine here.

Since there were 4 scum there then 3 or 4 scum makes sense.

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Pepochinga (1/5) - MathBlade
MathBlade (1/5) - Pepchoninga
Luv - AC,McMenno
Not Voting: Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390, Lil Uzi Vert, Malpascp

With 3 or 4 scum if LUV was Town scum would just win the game unless AC and McMenno are scum together.

Since scum did not dogpile on Pepochinga this means either Pepochinga is scum or there are three scum.

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Well it could also be three scum and one of AC /McMenno differing alignments and not the other.

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Either way there is some severe questions that need answered:

Why was Tywinn killed over an exposed PR soft?
Why was I left alive when no one except Pep scumreads me?

The twyinn move is rather odd.

It actually makes me think AC is scum.

VOTE: Almost Chara

That move of Tywinn caused LyLO over there and with how messed up three Town vigs is I think you traded for that reason. You didn't give Titus or Grey because you knew they were scum and it was all for show.

Dodge I owe you an apology.

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Lets lynch McMenno today

If McMenno flips town look into Malp/Uzi/Pep/Colombo

I don't see a good McMenno scum case.

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Furthermore AC asked if I could work with Titus if they traded me.

If AC knew Nero was going over like he seemed to imply that meant he had to take a Town away else it wouldn't be LyLO and then people would flip on Titus. So Tywinn had to be the kill in case masons weren't lynched we would have no info to work with.

Bravo. Bravo AC.

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I think KMD is town, at the very least Pep/KMD aren't scum together I think

I think I am getting there actually. Trying to figure out who is scum with AC. But I still think at least 3 scum.

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That's a cool theory

Cool is irrelevant. Do you agree?

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@Leon:

I HATE YOU for making me do this. You should know (and most of those who played more than one game with me do know) one of my weakest aspects of the game is trying to make cases, whether these are scum or town cases. I'll do my best though.

Nero came out of the gate blazing. He did not even use his site-meta earned right to RVS, but rather expressed a scum read on KMD and voted there. Furthermore, he didn't hesitate in voicing out hi opinion on SD (sum reading Maria) when it was still debatable whether scum hunting in SD was considered scummy or not.

In other words, Nero makes no reservations and is paying little if any attention how anyone could try to angle-shoot his play. This -to me- is genuine aggressive scum hunting, which makes him Town in my eyes.

As for you, your #31 contained 3 lines: 1: Sarcasm. NAI, 2: defending McMenno. Minor Town credit, 3: Town reading Narna. More Town cred.

Your #71 looks more detailed in why you defended McMenno, and has a true statement in that scum will likely push on a joke as they tend to try to find "something" to start their attack on Town. So, not only did you not join the push, you defended McMenno with reason and logic.

Still, I've put you as my 4th on the list, so if it comes down to you vs Narna, Nero or McMenno I'd be lynching you over any of them. However, I don't wan you gone over anyone else apart from those 3, and we only have one lynch, so I'm trying to narrow down my options for the day.

@Narna:

Unfortunately we canNOT draft KT over here no matter what he says he is. First; until he DOES start producing results there's nothing confirmed about his role to begin with. Second; his play is annoying I'd rather be lynched myself over bringing him to play in my own brand, let alone by my own choice. Third; it's not just me. There are several players who feel uncomfortable with KT's play, and it's not going to be any smoother if we had him here. The noise he produces could very much cloud the air to the point we can't see scum mooning us and brushing their behinds to our faces. Why would I want to poison the air in my brand's thread?

In short, we have several other choices that are all better than KT to bring over here. Titus (if not the one massive picks to be undraftable) is a great choice. Tywin (Obv!Town in my book) is a good choice too. Grey (whom you seem to have reservations over) I have a Town lean on for both his play of late AND Titus being confident of his alignment (Titus can tunnel town thinking they might be scum, but rarely ever gets stubborn over a town read if she's not fairly confident in it). Maria is my own Town read, but I might not draft her for fear she might work as a distraction to Nero. Vifam is another alternative I might consider since both our slot (myself and Chara) and Nero Cain are leaning Town on him.

So, FIVE alternatives to pick from there with 2 that I don't think anyone could argue against.

Suffice it to say, our choices are:

- Titus: Top choice if she is draftable.
- Tywin: No problem here, but Titus wants him there
- Maria: My personal preferred 3rd choice, but Nero doesn't like her
- Grey: Looks like a decent pick, but you (my top Town read) seem to have reservations
- Vifam: May be the best compromise draft if Titus isn't on the table considering they don't like him much there as we do here

P.S. Your feedback is VERY appreciated. I won't try to run this brand as a dictator unless I'm forced to. Both myself and Chara agree that we can properly play our role w/o being total jerks about it.

P-edit:

I may have misunderstood, but if by "double-lynch" you mean using a finisher AND having a normal lynch, I believe Vince said somewhere that someone tapping out WILL end the day. Apologies in advance if I did misunderstand.

~A50

Mainly here. If A50 was town he'd just say he'd never make a case or rage at me in bold letters whenever I don't do what he wants. Here with Leonshade it's a different approach. No one makes A50 do anything.

That post is just disgusting.

I think another reason Leonshade wasn't kept around was that he wasn't obv town. The townread at this point by AC was completely unjustified.

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Explanation to the rest:

I'm positive there's AT LEAST one Scumster in these two, but it's possible they both are. Once it became apparent LUV could be lynched, Math decided to flip their TR on us (being the strongest pushers of LUV) in an attempt to save their scum p.

I do acknowledge it "could" still be Town!math "doing what they do best", but I very much doubt it being the case.

Anyway, the decision is yours. Flip the scummiest of all a give Math the benefit of doubt, OR flip Math and if/when they flip RED then LUV is finally CONFIRMED SCUM.

My problem is: In the off chance Math flips Town, we would probably be throwing the game with LUV given a pass to endgame. I would still rather see his head rolling and him walking out the door in shame. (Besides, with his in-game character, who doen't want to see "her stripped off.." er.. her title!!

~A50

Fine. Lynch me. I flip Town then flip AC.

The only reason he suspected me is I suspected him.

All AC's reasons look like things AC decided to find to support their case rather than something they believe.

AC asked me if I could work with Titus in thread. He now uses that against me.
He also assumes that I am a scum dayvig but if I was a scum dayvig then that is equivalent to having 4 scumteam members which would mean that his world cannot work.

AC pushes out of self survival. I don't have much time today but that is what I do have with the time I do.

~~Math

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Randy Orton vaults over the side of the ring and pumps his fists together.

"I really think AC is scum here it is a shame that he glaciated this and only posted his suspicion after I posted mine. This is just bad shit."

Sorta like the storm that broke my car window. I will RKO the storm.

(OOC: Will do what I can but seriously a storm broke out my car window and I have to fix it tomorrow.)

Spoiler: CarPic

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I prefer no lynch. As soon as I suspected AC AC gladiated.

I find the odds of LUV being scum to that slim to none.

I know I am Town.

If we have to lynch then I would say Uzi and if Uzi flips Town I propose an unofficial gladiator between AC and myself.

Six to Seven scum in a 26 player game (13 each side) makes sense.

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Six to Seven scum in a 26 player game (13 each side) makes sense.

Geez! What happened to the 3-4 scum still in THIS BRAND theory? And if you did believe there's a 5% chance there are 4 scums in here then HOW THE HELL is a NO LYNCH a better course of action? Scum will just kill someone at night and have their win in that case.

Also, why is Uzi suddenly has "odds of being scum slim to none."??

Last, but NOT least: WHERE IS YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT YOUR OWN ACTIONS??

~A50

My actions are explained. I vigged a person I genuinely thought scum.

About the number of scum, I still think it applies.
The odds of Uzi being scum are because you gladiatored myself and Uzi rather than letting me hunt and see if my theory was right. Instead because I suspected you you put us together. If the choices are Town or no one no one is the better option.

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@Math: did you only have one shot? I know what you've said before but I want you to confirm it given it should be the only possible way of ending the day besides lynching you or LUV.

Brands not having identical setups would ruin balance, fairness, and a whole lot of other shit. AC is town and there's 2 scum left here in my eyes, until another flip or ability makes me think otherwise. I've seen so many of you saying the opposite, but never saw a real reason behind it. I might even go back for a quick re-read and check who seemed to have setup info beyond what Town does.

@AC: who'd you rather have lynched today?

Pedit: can you chill already? You don't seem to be mad at them since you have so many townreads... Care to update on that?

Yes I am one shot and based on the Smackdown flips and the fact the game could end on one mislynch there IMHO are huge balance issues with this. If I wasn't I would have vigged AC for the horrible gladiate and accepted being voteless tomorrow.

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So already the setups are different far as I can tell.

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1) The townread (if genuine which I doubt) is not what I am attacking you over. It is that you asked if I could work with her meaning that you were investigating if I was trusting scum or not. I wanted to be in the same brand as her to work with her on the Mason CC three vigs in this setup is shit. I felt a hell of a lot more confident in the mason scumread based on a setup having three vigs is ridiculous.

2) He was my highest town read. Based how votes were going I townread Titus and Grey but I just had the alignments backwards. That sometimes happens in my town games.

3) I did not believe the mason claim as I am a one shot Town vig. I have stated this numerous times.

4) When you get a lot of input you change things you also crumbed a PR role (will get it). That was the justification that you were fine going along with til I suspected you. Then you gladiate me.

And on your smirk statement I do not believe you.

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@LUV:

Then you're probably be even less encouraged by what I have to say.

First off: Your reads SUCK BIG TIME. I'm 95+ % confident Nero is Town. It has to do with both his play and "something mechanical" that I'm not revealing.

Then McMenno is also Town.. like 90%

And -of course- I'm not allowed to vouch for our own slot, so... I'll let those who have played with both heads multiple times before decide on that.

Oh, and let's not forget you didn't even make it a secret you were surprised our strongest Town read actually flipped Town!! (I'm talking about Narna for those who are not closely following this thread).

Now, why do I get the feeling that your scum reads on all 3 of us have all arrived at the most convenient of times right after Nero had said something about him expecting you to scum read the wagon on Penguinos? I know, I know.. you didn't feel too comfortable with McMenno already, but let's agree to disagree there. But how come you are now scum reading Nero and our slot? Is it because Nero is pointing out flaws in your play and we happen to agree? Please show us a case on any of the 3 slots you're scum reading for us to consider.

That should be all for now.

@Vifam:

Now I suspect you do know this, but I wanted to make it absolutely clear that we are Town reading you, and we believe you have good reads. The reason for my personal faith in you was pointed out in our previous game together in which you were scum and I called you out for it, but you somehow managed to discredit yourself as a player to discredit our scum read on you.

Anyway, I'm expecting just a little more from you here, and I'd very much appreciate it if we could lynch scum today with your help.

@Kmd:

I fully agree that “not wanting that lynch doesn't make LUV scum”. HOWEVER, he did not provide an alternative or propose a different course. To me, he did want that lynch. He just didn't want to look connected to it. He tried to earn Town credit by pretending not to want that lynch, but by providing no alternative course he knew we would finally be lynching the Penguinos slot because it's better than a No Lynch by all means.

He claimed the case was weak, right? Yet when asked for his own reads he had no stron scum reads, meaning he wasn't ready to push anyone else, and THAT is my problem (and I think that's what Nero's been trying to say).

@EVERYBODY:

Now get the freak off Nero and McMenno already. There are 3 slots we won't be lynching today and these are Nero, McMenno & Vifam. If you're scum reading any of them; I won't ask you to reconsider, but I WILL ask you to go for the next one on your list.

There are 8 other slots for you to pick from (yes, I'm ok with you voting us and I promise not to interfere with your decision to do so as a manager), but you're not lynching our OBV!Town players. So, either present a good case on someone else or try to obv!Town yourself.
~A50

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8708797

Paragraph with the words first off.

I find it hard to believe you had a mechanical read on Nero and can gladiate and still be Town.

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I prefer no lynch. As soon as I suspected AC AC gladiated.

I find the odds of LUV being scum to that slim to none.

I know I am Town.

If we have to lynch then I would say Uzi and if Uzi flips Town I propose an unofficial gladiator between AC and myself.

Six to Seven scum in a 26 player game (13 each side) makes sense.

Wtf is this post?

First you say that no lynch is better. Like how is it better? Even now, no lynch is pretty stupid.

Second you say that the chances of LUV being scum are slim. THEN you say that if we have to lynch, we should lynch LUV...

That is lolfull. (Considering that LUV is liz uni)

Correct.

If the only choices are Town or no lynch. No lynch is inherently better.

I know I am Town. That means unless LUV is scum it is a mislynch.

I know that you didn't suspect me until I suspected you and this was a big OMGUS.

So in all likelihood LUV is town. However if we do have to lynch then LUV is it because from my POV LUV is the only possible scum of us both.

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I don't make posts to players. I make posts to the thread.

My scumwin rate disagrees with you.
This is my town play after incorporating feedback.

I am limiting my OMGUS to being suspected in town games like this one and looking at why.
Your sudden shift has no basis.
Your gladiator of a townread with LUV makes no sense. Sure you posted a lot of words but at the end of the day you went from unlynchable to scum.

This is not Town A50.

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dunno if AtE, caught scum, or soon-to-be-blacklisted town
really hoping you're scum here, and if so, thank you
you should at least try and entertain us a bit so we can guess who your teammate is

My sentiment exactly, except I'm taking it one step further and black listing him regardless of his alignment. People who do not wish to play should NOT sign up to games. If you are a pathetic PERSON don't take it out on us and do a GRINCH to steal away our fun playing this game.

Now back to the game: Someone please finish this one off. If -by any chance- LUV flips green then I will hand over the Town leadership to Vifam and sit aside sheeping him for the rest of the game.

~A50

If LuV flips Town I am tunneling your ass so hard that you probably wouldn't find it with directions.

I also want to see more content from the stragglers.

But yeah posting to say you aren't posting anymore is shit. Deserves force replace or something.

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So Almost and Pep are confirmed scum.
3 scum each team makes sense.
Probably LyLO and Almost50 had to likely discharge gladiator before LyLO.

The fact this game isn't over makes Pep scum.

Now to find the third.

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Vote malpa

Malpa is town stop that.

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I don't think the vifam shot had anything to do with his reads. We were treating him as confirmed town.

No, the flips didn't change anything for me. Lil was a PoE scum read at most for me. Him flipping town doesn't mean much. If anything, it means there was probably scum on the wagon, but malpa is there along with anyone else that could be scum (mathblade being the only one off the wagon who could be scum) so nothing really changes there either. And Vifam being town is something we pretty much all could have predicted. So, again, I don't have any new info today and can't really think of a reason to change what I'm doing which is voting malpa and thinking the other scum has to be in math/columbo because mcmenno is a stronger town read than them, you (almost) are a stronger town read than that, and pep is definitely town.

...Malpa is not getting lynched ever. I will die before Malpa.

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Is Kmd the third scum and scum set up two wagons to just wait on a townie to vote?

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So that means Pep not conf scum in that case

Only A50/Kmd/one of McMenno/Pep

Mal thoughts?

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So Almost and Pep are confirmed scum.
3 scum each team makes sense.
Probably LyLO and Almost50 had to likely discharge gladiator before LyLO.

The fact this game isn't over makes Pep scum.

Now to find the third.

So you're claiming two guilties?

Preview edit: lol wow

No I am not claiming guilties.

I am saying the game isn't over yet so something fishy.

And with 4 scum there on the other side means three here why is anyone voting?!?!?!?!?!

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Balance-wise it makes no sense there's more than 2 scum here, but it's still possible we're in LyLo. I don't think so though.
I'm not voting Math or A50 today unless there's a guilty or something.
I'm stil trying to wrap my head around the fact people still TR McMenno.
Vifam's death was expected, but I think scum!Math wouldn't have done it for some reason. Still trying to figure out what Lil's flip might mean.

For now just don't throw around meaningless votes plz

Top scum and Town reads please and level of confidence.

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@mod please fix the title. Thanks.

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....1) My town and scum metas are very similar.
Look at Shadowrun and 1800.
Arguing that I cannot replicate my meta is meant to be a backhanded insult meaning
Math is so crazy there's no way they are scum is the point

This means that regardless of my alignment you think I am a player that should not be listened to.
Stop it. Improve.
Anyone could be right or wrong at any point.
Granted I am Town but the arguments as to why I am Town are not based on what I have done or said but "lack of sense".
In Shadowrun literally ran the only workable kill chain and did every night kill in a mafia game that was practically night less.

2) Almost50 makes sense for scum to have that power. If they can gladiate me or what I suspect is the other town PR out then it greatly hampers the ability of Town. Hell of Almost50 had bussed there I probably would have thought he was Town and Almost50 probably could have won. His "oops hasty" feels bad because he really wanted me lynched versus actually believing I am scum.

Yesterday was a big OMGUS.

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Malpa, so your arguement is that math lacks common sense and wouldn't listen to a scum partner? And you really believe that?

So, we're likely lynching between Pep and McMenno?? If that's the case then I will be voting Pep over McMenno, but I still need Pep himself to come online and tell us what he thinks as it may change my view completely.

If it is, I'll vote mcmenno but I'm not at all confident he flips scum. Malpa with math or columbo still makes more sense to me.

LOL Most of the time when I do have partners we end up trying to discuss what would mindfuck the most but also what is safest. I am not scum this game but if either of you are going to make arguments as to what I would or would not do as scum despite not playing with me you should cite games where I do what you say.


...kmd's post is scummy as hell.

Good god...Why is everyone competing for scum fuck of the year?

Only townread I have is mal and that's because <redacted>.

[MathBlade]

Malpa, see my ISO. I've been saying little by little what stands out about you. I fully admit a lot is gut and PoE but there has been more.

Math, lol so you agree with me about WIFOMing what you would do with the NK being pointless, but then call me scum for saying it.

It was your second paragraph I had issues with.

Mainly: "If it is, I'll vote mcmenno but I'm not at all confident he flips scum. Malpa with math or columbo still makes more sense to me."

You are trying to compromise when no one is doing anything yet to warrant it like "I guess I will vote this person if I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave to" is how that feels.

[MathBlade]

Well that's basically my exact thoughts so.... yeah

It has more to do with pep than mcmenno though.

And that thought process is a scum one not a town one.

[MathBlade]

Yes, I've never once questioned the slot and never will. I've never been more confident on a read in my entire mafia career than I am on pep being town.

Go back and look at thinkbig's reaction to mcmenno's shot again. He clearly shows that he knows mcmenno shot town. It's a stretch to say that that makes mcmenno scum, and it's bad logic on thinkbig's part, but you can see that that's what he truly believes. In thinkbig's mind, mcmenno shot town so he's scum. Then he can't believe that no one sees it and he replaces out. It was poor play, but it was obvtown. People tend to suspect poor play as scummy play, but that's because they refuse to try to get inside the player's head. Why, as scum, would a player who believes they are dying anyway inisist that they player who shot them was scum and do absolutely nothing else even when the shot is stopped? That's town who believes scum shot them.

If he knows who is Town and who is scum that makes the person who knows Think Big scum. Pep replaced Think Big.

I don't see how you get a townread off that.

[MathBlade]

Yes, I've never once questioned the slot and never will. I've never been more confident on a read in my entire mafia career than I am on pep being town.

Go back and look at thinkbig's reaction to mcmenno's shot again. He clearly shows that he knows mcmenno shot town. It's a stretch to say that that makes mcmenno scum, and it's bad logic on thinkbig's part, but you can see that that's what he truly believes. In thinkbig's mind, mcmenno shot town so he's scum. Then he can't believe that no one sees it and he replaces out. It was poor play, but it was obvtown. People tend to suspect poor play as scummy play, but that's because they refuse to try to get inside the player's head. Why, as scum, would a player who believes they are dying anyway inisist that they player who shot them was scum and do absolutely nothing else even when the shot is stopped? That's town who believes scum shot them.

If he knows who is Town and who is scum that makes the person who knows Think Big scum. Pep replaced Think Big.

I don't see how you get a townread off that.

Math - I didn't quite follow. What I hear Kmd saying is that ThinkBig's response was a response from someone who knew they themselves were town and being attacked. Think Big then assumed that the attack must be coming from scum (although if Town, he couldn't actually know it was scum.)

I don't see what you are saying because of what is in parenthesis.

[MathBlade]

*shrug*

I try not to look at associative tells while both players are alive. If one of them flips town, that work was all for nothing. It also creates a bias in the sense that one townflip makes you realize you were wrong and you question the accuracy of your other scum read.

I'm also townreading mcmenno.

But if we lynch malpa and he flips scum, I'll gladly entertain that case.

Malpa will not be lynched. Move on to someone else.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Knd4390

Almost and Kmd scums for the wins.

[MathBlade]

I am scumreading people making dumb arguments.
There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

A50 gladiated me as soon as I suspected him and panicked.

Pep and Kmd are crazy for suspecting me a Town vig.

A50 and Kmd need rope.

Exactly my point which makes Pep my backup if either are wrong. Assumes facts not in evidence.

[MathBlade]

It is more than that. *glares* Read my ISO.

[MathBlade]

I am scumreading people making dumb arguments.
There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

How is Massive as town-gladiator on SD and masons with 2 (conditional) day-vigs, any less powerful or possible than what you just described?? The SD roles are 100% FACT. The assertion that there is a 0% chance of something comparable on this brand defies common sense.

Reasons. Of which are derived from planetary bodies which are true but no one understands.

[MathBlade]

That is part of it. To understand you gotta read my entire ISO.

[MathBlade]

Will catch up tomorrow night.

[MathBlade]

The lurk is strong when A50 or Kmd should be lynched.

Fix this.

[MathBlade]

I'm wondering why the rate of replacements has increased on all games. I always expect those who sign in to a game to try and finish it.

Agree 100%.

Agreed.

Hi Mastina!!!!!

Looking forward to you breaking this game open

[MathBlade]

Pepchoninga has been replaced by Mastina!

OK, this -at least- guarantees a whole lot of posts with a whole new perspective. The only think that worries me is if that slot IS Town or Scum with me, in which case I white flag already!

Fify

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Almost50

[MathBlade]

Given that the other thread was closed, and given that the other scumteam (ALL of the other scumteam) avoided commenting, I think it quite likely that they were in fact in communication. I mean, I suppose it's possible they weren't, and just knew each other.
Or they weren't, didn't know each other, but Leonshade informed them.

But being in communication makes sense to me.

Couldn't hurt to ask the mod, though.

Mod: did the scumteams between games have the ability to communicate with each other?

If you get an answer I'd be grateful. I agree the scum team was likely in communication but couldn't figure out the right question to ask.

Which way is your list mastina?

Is it Town on Top or Town on bottom?

Town on Bottom makes a lot of sense.

[MathBlade]

Wanna throw out a name or two?
It would have to be nero, chara, myself, mcmenno, or ms columbo. leon isn't here and narna was the NK.

For the record: I think that with Leon unable to be lynched in this game thanks to the draft, that the wagon was all town, and thus the kill on Narna.

If there was a second scum on the lynch, why would they intentionally narrow down the pool of possible scum on there?
We know Nero's town. I'm hard-townreading KMD.
That'd leave Almost50/McMenno/Ms Columbo.

I'm also hating basically everything malpascp is giving content-wise, and McMenno's vote there doesn't look like bussing, so.

....Mastina...WTF is this? Mal's content has been golden especially because...reasons.

[MathBlade]

Ms. Columbo *
Pepchoninga* light_ganski ThinkBig
Kmd4390
Almost Chara
McMenno**
MathBlade Banana Mint *
Malpascp *

I borrowed that from the first post. FYI you've replaced into slot that disappeared 4 times that I'm scumreading and you've actively narrowed and eliminated a scum pool then say scum are there...Like Mastina...

VOTE: Mastina

WTF? You are usually better than this

[MathBlade]

1) Mal is town.
You'd lynch me before Mal that is how sure I am.

2) I already vigged and Almost50 gladiated me as soon as I suspected him.

This necessitates a 1v1.

Almost50 is clearly scum who gladiated to avoid my push. I then started fishing for partners.

You mislynch me then you and 50 go down.

At least I know I am right that pep's slot wasn't Town. Mastina doesn't misread me as Town. She only does as 3P and scum.

[MathBlade]

Excuse me. Yes I don't out anyone I suspect of being a PR.

You'd lynch me first which proves you scum then A50 g fucking g.

[MathBlade]

Yep. That was my one shot. No regrets.
Pep Kmd top scumreads
AC Nero and Mal top townreads
Hopefully I get drafted or NK'd
Go babyfaces!

Question.
You listed two scumreads here.
When insisting there were two scum.
Yet you shot DodgeTheSaint.

How exactly did you know he was flipping town and you'd need two scumreads?

1) I assumed he was flipping scum. That would mean two scum remaining.

[MathBlade]

at the very least Pep/KMD aren't scum together I think

To be fair you could make the argument that we'd be scumbuddies because KMD's top townread has been my slot all game and Pepchoninga/myself both had KMD as our top townread, and between all of us we have similar reads working together well, which is all things scumbuddies

would

do.

But in this case, it's because we're town and have a natural ~synergy~ in play. I think I synchronize well to KMD. I liked his thoughts the whole game, I liked what he was thinking, and he's my top townread.

Could. Yes. But you are so clearly scum it is sickening. I could make cases on everyone. However I care about what is true.

[MathBlade]

1162 is a long post, but it's basically a summary of

exactly

my issues with Mathblade this game.
Like, exactly.
Dead on the money.

Almost50, I don't remember what your current reads are, but just to be explicit here:
I am town.
I am positive that KMD is town.
You are town.

That leaves two scum in Mathblade/malpascp/McMenno/MS Columbo.
I am pretty sure malpascp is scum.
I agree with the you of that post that Mathblade is scum.
If malpascp is in fact scum, McMenno probably wouldn't be scum given their interactions.

So if you have any doubt in your heart, I ask you to trust me.
I'm not quite caught up yet, but my vote's not changing off of one of these two:
VOTE: malpascp.

Hahahahaha. Good luck with that Mastina.

There is a .00000000001 chance Mal is flipping scum unless Mal fake crumbed.

Lynch me first. But oh wait. You want Mal to "out himself".

I would rather you and A50 have to kill Mal so if you insist on between me and Mal you lynch me then my scumteam is proven.

Go on.

Vote me.

[MathBlade]

Is Kmd the third scum and scum set up two wagons to just wait on a townie to vote?

Yes, KMD, Almost50, and I all share an alignment and a common interest. We are all trying to lynch (more or less) the same group of players, too.

It's called the townbloc.

Your townbloc has scum in it.

Lynch me to prove it.

Because scum is you and A50.

[MathBlade]

Remember when he thought mcmenno's early use of his ability was funny and it rubbed me the wrong way? My issue was that it sounded like scum going "lol town is wasting abilities". Well now we know Leon was scum. So mcmenno being town here makes sense.
He was also the one to initially point out that columbo's questions sounded like newb town. In the same sentence, he called the same questions awkward. I could see this being scum looking for a reason to justify a town read on a scum buddy. Leon's posts directed at columbo, or about columbo, also feel pretty soft throughout the ISO.
Just a few thoughts.

This is a fair point...
...But I feel like malpascp is scum regardless of Columbo/Mathblade, so.

Mastina stawp it.

You are wrong.

Lynch me. Prove your wrongness so you re-evaluate.

Oh wait. You don't want to.

[MathBlade]

Correct.
I don't want to reevaluate at this stage, no!

I have one interest and one interest only: lynching scum.
I will lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum.
That player is hands-down malpascp.

No he doesn't.

Wow. Mastina. Just wow.

[MathBlade]

There is 0% chance Town has a gladiator and a vig and <redacted>.

Which is one reason I'm scumreading you and malpascp!

Then lynch me first which proves Mal Town and forces you to bus A50 oh wait...you won't do that.

[MathBlade]

lmao

So scumteam is me/Mathblade because I've "been a scumfuck" and because of Math doing setup spec (which actually makes sense since Smackdown is over).

Also McMenno is in your top 3 townreads.

I suggest you go read the game. Because half the things you refer didn't actually happen.

Seems like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to look town to me.

Pedit: i guess mastina also missed the fact Math is a fucking confirmed dayvig

Mastina is just scum. Lol.

Like it is terribad obvious.

Her and A50.

Mastina why couldn't you have been Town?

[MathBlade]

How would scum having a day-vig in this brand be balanced?

Because of town roles in the unclaimed.

I am one of them.

And I'm telling you I don't buy Mathblade's role as town.

Then lynch me like I offered.

Mal is likely redacted.
I don't believe you as a PR.
And Ank is scum because as soon as I suspected him he gladiated me.

You're just scared of what you'll do when I flip Town.

[MathBlade]

My thoughts? Kmd is currently the only slot I have confidence being Town. I have issues with everyone else' play (Mastina's slot due to her predecessors).

@Mastina:

I know Math's play doesn't make any sense, but that's exactly why I'm not as confident as you are in them being scum. Another game has just ended. Here Math replaced in on D5 while I had replaced in on D2. Math immediately started tunneling me (as usual) and made a ton of illogical assumptions as well. At one point they even accepted me being Town but still pushed for my lynch regardless.

Now the only difference between their pay there and in this game is that they first Town read me here then started Scum reading me out of nowhere rather than Scum read me from the word go.

It also worries me that you opted to scum read Mal the most. Granted, I cannot Town case him per se, but it was obvious by the time you replaced in that everyone (including me) would settle for lynching Mal (except for Math that is), so it looks like he easiest push and you hardly presented a case there. At least do present your case so I won't feel like a total ass sheeping you.

1) No. I was tunneling Maxous while getting enough information to lynch his butt. I tunnelled you after the Maxous flip and especially with what seemed like a really freaking weird claim.

2) I didn't scumread you out of no where. I scumread you after my vig shot flipped town and they said to take a look at you. Which I did. They were wrong about Nero but I don't think they'd be wrong about you and Nero.

3) Your gladiate was a sheer panic.

4) You are claiming a sheep in advance while distancing. This is a common scum tactic with buddies.

Please both mastina and A50 need rope so freakin badly.

[MathBlade]

I'd really really like to know who thinks Math can still be scum. Or rather, who thinks Math is more likely to be scum than mastina.

Me.

Also, there's enough in the thread today for me to put my vote back on.

Vote Malpa

....There is literally nothing in the thread that gives a reason for mal scum. None.

[MathBlade]

Backup scumread of KMD

MAL IS AT L-1

Not declaring L-1's is really scummy.

[MathBlade]

Because he isn't and I can't count...Yeah excuse me while Math person can't count again..........*sigh*

[MathBlade]

That should actually be L-1 on Mastina now......

*sigh* I swear....I can't count. But people please declare L-1's for us all so no derp hammers happen.

[MathBlade]

Mastina that is L-1 and all this does is prove you can't read me if you are Town and think I am mislynchable if scum.

We have been through this.

I tell you my townreads you call me scum mislynch me then recalibrate and lynch scum. That is how it works with every game I am with you in. Stawp this.

[MathBlade]

Math is town.

This and several other posts

should

be giving mastina pause and they are clearly townie IMHO because reasons...

Oh and look Mastina claimed a PR role but isn't claiming yet...

Boooooooo bad scumz.

[MathBlade]

alright, so here's what's going to go down:

we're going to lynch either ms columbo or me.

almost, I'd like you to use your second gladiation ability to prove that you have it.

VOTE: ms columbo

Seemed like massive was a one shot. What evidence do you have A50 is a two shot? I don't remember him saying it.

Let's listen to what confirmed town has to say. As much as I want A50's head on a platter cooler heads prevail. If we mislynch Mason dies and then we go to 3P LyLO.

I want Kmd to write out every three player LyLO in advance and then say who decides the game in those scenarios. And obviously if Kmd is still alive they do. In that case everyone else cross votes.

This way confirmed town decides the game rather than potential scum. I know I am Town but Mastina always misreads me. It is kinda a thing. A50 is scum. But I know a big wall will be ignored and discounted.

So Kmd what do you need?

[MathBlade]

I think last scum is A50 or McMenno.

[MathBlade]

I thought Mal was a cop with a innocent on me based on play. Hence why I didn't believe Mastina's PR claim. Didnt realize that was all buddying. Seemed too blatant.

[MathBlade]

Do you believe 2 masons a gladiator a Town vig are all town? If anything the motivator proves I am Town because if I was motivated twice I could have easily just shot someone yesterday but I wasn't. Two scum dayvigs would be insane. What also makes it interesting is that after my bad shoot he didn't motivate me either.

I am confirmed town.

[MathBlade]

@Pepchoinga:

Just so you know, neither of us (Myself and Chara) are good in roleplaying. However, we are encouraged to act in-role as per Kuroi's request. I don't even know our character (I never cared for anyone but the wrestlers themselves and what we usually get here is the entry of the gladiators to the ring then the match and that's it, so I wouldn't know much about the managers).

Tell me how you think Eric Bicshoff would motivate his fighters (in a spoiler) and I would gladly copy and paste it every time I needed to do a similar speech.

~A50

Instead A50 had two uses because of here:

It was a soft crumb that they would use later.

A50 is the scum. A50 flipped when I suspected him and instantly gladiated me. A50 has been motivated since that point IMHO. If we don't lynch A50 today then tomorrow scum win.

[MathBlade]

Mcmenno, how did you know that Almost had a second shot with his gladiate?

You too? I thought only Math is capable of asking such a question!

Mate, I already said I had the same EXACT wordings of massive's role PM for he firs 2 abilities. And to make it easy for you here's the link to the post where Kuroi posted the Town role PMs of Smackdown. My EXPLICIT claim came right after these were made public and could be found in my ISO. (Actually I claimed to explain why I used some extra flavour in my 1st gladiate, as Kuroi/Vince had HIGHLY requested it being done that way as can be seen in massive's roe PM).

I can see your point about Ms Columbo not hammering, but then why would Mal vote at that precise time? He could have waited some more and see if someone voted Mastina first for him to hammer. *Shrug*

Anyway, we only have ONE mislynch in our hands, so I would rather double check every single possibility to make sure we have the best chance of lynching right. If we mislynch today, then -at least- I want to know we will lynch the remaining Scum tomorrow, so let's give Ms Columbo a chance to defend herself.

#Inb4 Math makes an issue of me KNOWING there's only one Scum left: If there were two still alive it means we were in LyLo yesterday and EITHER would have hammered Mastina for the win.

1 mislynch away means you can't live til tomorrow period.
Massive's role PM only affected finishers. People could vote anywhere.
Yours is confirmed based on how mod posted to be different.

VOTE: Almost50

[MathBlade]

Making Matches! (Modified Gladiator) - 2x per game, you may make a wrestling match between two wrestlers in your brand. The votes reset from there. While in a wrestling match, no other wrestlers may interfere with their finishers under penalty of being voteless the next day. (You don't have to say that when activating the ability. If you don't, I will.) Also, you may not activate this ability when you have the most amount of votes. Please note that making matches will stop all submissions currently active.

1 it is 2x. So i you are scum you win tomorrow and can stop people voting anyone but those two and no lynch is not an option. If it is a modified gladiator as it says it doesn't affect votes only finishers.

You can't be one shot and match Massive's role PM exactly. It isn't possible.

[MathBlade]

....Now I point out your plan you threaten to gladiate me again.

The true answer is if you are town you don't do it and demonstrate your townieness. But That doesn't say stops people from voting just says finishers. It's a weakened gladiator.

There is no way town has two masons a town vig and two gladiate shots. Scum would have to have a nuke. Mislynch me if you must with the gladiator but then we have a true lylo. Not one where you can instant win as scum.

[MathBlade]

Anyone besides almost means scum have to combat two masons a vig and two "gladiates" with only a BG to show for it. It is just too much power. Almost has pocketed you all. Leon behing drafted was one of the best things that happened as Mal pretty much was a just buddy me and lurk fest.

Have I suspected Colombo yes. If by some miracle Almost is town is it probably Colombo yes.

But I can't risk Almost50 going to LyLO or we lose.

[MathBlade]

1) Usually people who complain about town sided games turn out to be scum

2) How do you know the living scum doesn't have any power?

Because no one has claimed roleblocked or fucked with and there is 0 evidence of such fuckery.

...You haven't played with me. I just state what I think of setups. I have complained about that as Town and scum and both times it was genuine. Just like here.

[MathBlade]

Wouldn't scum have joined the PT right after the draft?

Hmmm.. good point. Yeah, that theoretically makes it possible for me to be Scum and have misread both my recruits for being Scum too. *Shrug*

Wouldn't they also tell the other scum if drafted?

Again I said this earlier but noooo math is clearly insane for thinking scum know each other /sarcasm

[MathBlade]

That is the problem. A50 has pocketed you and since you don't care we lose.

Just mislynch me then mislynch Columbo tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore you didn't let Mastina not be lynched. You just knew if you did you'd have Town rage all over your face and lose.

I am officially an impediment to the all mighty mason who claims to have figured things out and doesn't care if they are wrong. See I suspected columbo as if I was wrong on A50 but the problem is you advocating for my gladiate after knowing I am Town doesn't come from a town mindset. Policy lynching does but gladiating doesn't.

[MathBlade]

1) Usually people who complain about town sided games turn out to be scum

2) How do you know the living scum doesn't have any power?

Because no one has claimed roleblocked or fucked with and there is 0 evidence of such fuckery.

...You haven't played with me. I just state what I think of setups. I have complained about that as Town and scum and both times it was genuine. Just like here.

That doesn't make them vanilla scum. It just means we have zero info on what their role is. And I've played with you on my Egg account a few times.

And actually that last paragraph by Almost is a good point. Mastina may as well have been at L-1 in LYLO because of the gladiate ability if Almost is scum.

Guys, I kind of think our lynches (if we need two) should be columbo and mathblade. If we can definitely do that, I don't really care who goes first. Based on everyone's reads, mathblade should be the only one who has a problem with that, but Almost isn't scum so frankly (sorry math, nothing personal)

I don't care.

All I need is agreement from Almost and mcmenno not to vote each other and columbo and mathblade are the only players who can be lynched if the three of us are willing to vote together to make that happen.

Please tell me you care. I see a contradiction. The only reason I am not pushing you is you are a confirmed mason.

[MathBlade]

I am out til late tonight. Shadowrun.

[MathBlade]

Prod Dodge since no posts since.

[MathBlade]

Checking in.

My role is essentially the same as DiamondSentinal in SD. I have the Interference ability described in Diamond's reveal. I did not use it during the match between Math and LUV because it wasn't necessary. I thought LUV was scum, he threw in the towel, and he was lynched.

@Mathblade - I think you mentioned this earlier, did you have to use your vig shot by a certain point in the game?

By PoE, I still think the remaining scum is McMenno. An outside chance it could be Math. If Almost is the remaining scum I am OK with losing to her.

I don't have sufficient time or functioning brain cells right now. I will provide rationale for my suspicions this weekend. I request that we not lynch anyone until then.

Yes. Asked and answered.

This is ridiculous and stupid.
McMenno is obvTown.

If it isn't A50 it is Columbo but Town having this much power and scum none is shit.

Lynch me today then A50 or Columbo tomorrow. Lynching McMenno would be all kinds of wtf.

[MathBlade]

guys, it's 4 votes to lynch... on everyone

does anyone know why the fuck that happened

Why would 5 alive ever take 4 to lynch?

[MathBlade]

They all say 5 alive three to lynch?

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 5.04

Ms. Columbo

(1/4)

- McMenno

Kmd4390

(0/4)

-

Almost Chara

(1/4)

- MathBlade

McMenno

(0/4)

-

MathBlade

(0/4)

-

Not Voting:

Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390, Almost50

Notes:

-

(expired on 2017-02-22 15:20:00) until the end of Day Five.
With five alive, it takes three to lynch.

Vote Count 5.03

Ms. Columbo

(1/4)

- McMenno

Kmd4390

(0/4)

-

Almost Chara

(1/4)

- MathBlade

McMenno

(0/4)

-

MathBlade

(1/4)

- Almost50

Not Voting:

Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390

Notes:

-

(expired on 2017-02-22 15:20:00) until the end of Day Five.
With five alive, it takes three to lynch.

Vote Count 5.02

Ms. Columbo

(1/4)

- McMenno

Kmd4390

(0/4)

-

Almost Chara

(0/4)

-

McMenno

(0/4)

-

MathBlade

(0/4)

-

Not Voting:

Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390, Almost50, Mathblade

Notes:

-

(expired on 2017-02-22 15:20:00) until the end of Day Five.
With five alive, it takes three to lynch.

Mr. McMahon's music and Vince comes out, smiling. The people boo. The people heckle. Vince ignores him. He makes his way down to the ring and takes the microphone from Lilian Garcia.

"It seems, many of you have been unhappy with the management of this company. And who can blame you? I'm doing to my last five wrestlers."

The people boo.

"Or should I say four? I've come to announce one more layoff from this company. For the last time here in the WWE, may I present... Well, you can see it on the screen."

Vince points to the Titantron and it shows Christian in a stretcher. EMTs are on site and are lifting him into the ambulance.

Spoiler: Mastina/Christian has been eliminated from the game. He was...

Who are you?

You're a champion both in the ring and in front of a microphone. You're Captain Charisma. You're Christian!

Which roster are you with?

What is your alignment?

You are a

Babyface!

(AKA Face AKA Townie)

What are your abilities?

:

Vote

- You are gifted with the power of a vote! Use it wisely!

Mason

- You are a mason with Kmd4390 who is Edge. It is confirmed to you that Edge is a baby face, just like they will know that you are a baby face.

Unprettier

- Once per day, you may use this move. Using this impact move on an opponent will make that person unable to vote for forty-eight hours.

Con-Chair-To

- This move is a tag team move by you and your tag team partner and may only be attempted once per day and successfully executed twice per game. If successfully used, it will act as an executioner role. This requires that before you can use this move on someone, that person has to already be halfway to the lynch mark. (At least 50% there. If there's an odd number necessary to the lynch then round up) This move also requires coordination with your tag team partner. To successfully execute this move, you two must post alternately and consecutively. One of you must post in bold "Con-Chair" and the other must post "To." Here is an example:
Christian:

Con-Chair

Edge:

To

What is your win condition?

You win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from your brand.[/area][/spoiler]

It's now Day Five.

Vote Count 5.01

Ms. Columbo

(0/4)

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Kmd4390

(0/4)

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Almost Chara

(0/4)

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McMenno

(0/4)

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MathBlade

(0/4)

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Not Voting:

Ms. Columbo, Kmd4390, Almost50, McMenno, Mathblade

Notes:

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(expired on 2017-02-22 15:20:00) until the end of Day Five.
With five alive, it takes three to lynch.

No seriously it says 5 alive 3 to lynch.

[MathBlade]

I flat out don't see what you guys are.

[MathBlade]

The last sentence reads "5 alive 3 to lynch"

[MathBlade]

Ms. Columbo (1/4) - McMenno
Kmd4390 (0/4) -
Almost Chara (1/4) - MathBlade
McMenno (0/4) -
MathBlade (0/4) -

Wtf???

mod please fix this

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Columbo

I am okay with lynching Columbo after the horrible reads post.

[MathBlade]

L-1 people!!!

[MathBlade]

One key difference is missing in it.

[MathBlade]

That post says after I am mislynched Columbo will kill A50 it no longer matters I think this setup is townsided as fuck if A50 is town he has to be because Columbo didn't spend time investigating him meaning he would be the NK.

Kuroi Please never design a setup with four masons a Town day vig and two gladiators all town.

[MathBlade]

I am Town lynch Columbo for no A50 reads.

[MathBlade]

Lynching A50 is literally impossible unless A50 plays suboptimally and no kills.

So it is McMenno or Columbo and Columbo provided no reads.

If A50 is scum I am gonna cry.

[MathBlade]

*hands A50 tissues here bud*

You guys freaking lynched the goddamn dayvig.

Like I don't get this.

This setup has too much goddamn power it makes no sense.

[MathBlade]

Sheesh! That was a BAD move, Math. Really really bad. You -once again- reversed a Town read into a Scum read .. just because.

Now I could be he nigh kill, yes. But it still could be Kmd. I've been trying to figure what the Scum move could/would be (regardless of who IS scum), and I figure they have 1 of 3 options:

1- Shoot me, leaving Kmd as COMFIRMED, thus he decides between the two finalists, but IS UNLYCHABLE HIMSELF.
2- Shoot Kmd, leaving me to decide between the remaining two, and with he possibility of me using the gladiation anyway I become UNLYNCHABLE. (so it's all the same for them, really).
3- Opt to NO KILL, which gives them more time actually on the final day. I will most probably still use my gladiation shot, but then it will take BOTH myself and Kmd voting for the same person to get a lynch.

In any case, it boils down to which of them can "talk better", so to speak.

Let's hope I'm right for once though ad the game does NOT go another day.

VOTE: Mathblade

@Math:

If you flip green I will cry. 'nough said.

Two masons a gladiator and a freaking dayvig is insane... this much town power should not exist.

Like the gladiator and masons can win without anyone ever posting except role claim. :/

[MathBlade]

I even suggested a similar setup to mafia friends I know and they fucking laughed and said take out the masons or the day vig. Except instead of gladiator it was a doc. Like I really do not understand how A50 isn't scum here.

[MathBlade]

Especially with that OMGUS but A50 if he is scum has just won like so Columbo because no reads but at this point gahhhh

[MathBlade]

No my theories should be right. A 13 player game two scum 2 masons and a dayvig and a 2x gladiator against any 2 scum PR roles is just :/ 3 even if you gave mass RB is still townsided. Like I got screamed that to me four hours.

I literally do not understand how you are Town a50 I just can't.

[MathBlade]

On my hypothetical setup not this one for clarity.

[MathBlade]

Please flip me I am probably already saying things I shouldn't sorry Kuroi I am pretty sure you had this reviewed I just don't get it.

[MathBlade]

Then why didn't you stop it?

Hydra slip sorry.

[MathBlade]

town got blown away from all sides, the only person I called out that was actually scum was Titus

It's okay scum mostly just outplayed everyone it happens

I called out A50 I was just hunting and analyzing all worlds.

Consider yourself on notice A50. I now know how you fooled me.

Bravo well done A50 and scums.

[MathBlade]

I felt like that drafting scum from the other thread is basically RIP town, so seemed broken.

I'd make scum from the two threads opposing. So say, massive drafts scum from RAW. That scum would oppose the three original scum.

You cannot have masons then. 4 masons versus teams of 3. No.

Overall, I have to give props to A50. Locking down his buddy while knowing our moves despite zero chat with us and we spotted each other early and synergized.

The masons claims is what made me suspicious in the first place....So many masons. And a Day vig and a gladiator...Just kept pinging me.