OPEN 663: STACK THE DECK (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:58 pm

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So you saying I was scum with kop was sarcasm?
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Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:04 pm

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Still think we're probably just lynching Kop here barring a good explanation of his actions but we really need this mass-claim to happen faster we so we can evaluate these claims.

I went over the Desperado/SuperHans interaction from a few pages back and didn't like it on SuperHans end at all, found that his stance in that argument didn't match his play inside the game.

I'm not actually scum reading Daves recent posts and find elements of #1424 (Particularly the "My town play is obvious it borders on being illegal" line) to be something that's very hard for scum to actually post.

SuperHans, really need your claim.
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Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:35 pm

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Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:46 pm

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VT
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Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:48 pm

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I'm VT
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Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:49 pm

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Wait for Alisae or wut?
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Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:54 pm

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In hopes of speeding this up you should probably just go now.

If Alisea is following along rejoining the game and claiming afterwards would stop this game from being stagnant.
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Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:54 pm

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I'm VT.
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Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:56 pm

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Alisae - Know you're around, if you're still reading this game we need you to get in here and finish this mass-claim by claiming.
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Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:56 am

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While waiting for Alisea/a replacement I finally went through Dunns ISO. I disliked Dunns defence of AH inside and his , think it's very hard to have that stance after the lack of merit behind AH's case. I liked his response to Alisea in about Desperado and traitors and . I liked his entrance into D2 about TB in and liked his reassessment on Desperado around ~ and think his defence of TB!Town inside is very town motivated. Did have a little chuckle at . Liked his reads inside as they mirrored mine there. Very much agreed with his analysis of Kop inside . All up I town read a lot of his actions and posts throughout the game but there's no singular action of his that I think is completely unfakeable. I think he's probably town here and certainly has the more logical reads in the thread but wouldn't entirely rule him out of being scum.
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Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:08 am

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In post 537, Antihuman wrote:
In post 492, Alisae wrote: Davesaz - Town
Genuinely attempting to solve the game
<--- agreed

This always makes me worried.

NOT
because Antihuman agreed at Davesaz town, but WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALISAE'S MIND?
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Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:09 am

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I mean, the context is the last 10 pages, which is page 11 ~ page 20.

But I don't remember that at all?
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Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:43 am

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Alisae has Kop as "town, genuinely ..." in the same quoted post. (different wording than mine)
I thought, eh, I remember not thinking that about Kop back then so I re-ISOd him.
In post 241, Kop wrote:
In post 224, Dunnstral wrote:mafia traitor is bulletproof btw so they wouldn't even die
I didn't realise it's BP until I looked at the setup specs. It's one shot though, but obviously that doesn't mean anything, just means scum won't shoot that slot again.
Turns out he looked at the setup back then, in enough detail to notice traitor is 1-shot BP.
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Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:55 am

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He did. The question is did he notice the traitor crumb, right?
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Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:57 am

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I am somewhat confindent that Alisae is Power Role.
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Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:59 am

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I would like to take a short V/LA, please


24 hours.

Not in optimal condition of brain to play it. Making too many logical mistake.
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Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:01 am

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I mean, I have confbias so I need to wind out my brain.

But some details about ThinkBig is town can't be filled despite best effort.
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Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:24 am

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So I just take a quick walk and I realized 2 problems.
  • According to you regfan, TB is VI because he is weak. The question would be,
    If town!TB is a weakplayer, than what would scum!TB be?
    Einstein? A weak player as well, right?
  • SuperHans pointed this. Regfan said that AH started a wagon from GE to TB only a subversion. Merely a Traitor v Town. If that's the case
    Why AH didn't push TB until final blood?
    Why say "lynch me I flip town" at
    L-2
    ?
    an unnecessary move that he know he would flip traitor
The more I think it, occam razor wise, Alisae's case makes more sense.
The moment TB voted him, he went to self-destructive.
It's like AH want to remove any guilty assosiation.

I think Alisae case of AH inviting lynch to himself makes perfect sense.

conf!bias, possibly.
In post 1175, Regfan wrote:This entire push that a traitor is more likely to replace into a game and hard push a partner in an attempt to get themselves lynched D1 to make their partner look better is a real stretch and would be
very suboptimal traitor play.
however.

1 ] I just can't ignore AntiHuman's attitude.

2 ] Since it's suboptimal play, wouldn't it make excellent gambit,
especially this is his first game as an alt with no meta knowledge
? regfan, you knew who he is, but only after he's dead you sub in

Personally

1] I have played a game where I bus someone from get go to remove any trace.

2] The VI gambit that I mentioned early, was first played in my Newbies game in mafiascum.net because "no meta" background
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Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:25 am

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I swear, I tried my best to townread TB. However, it's like those Sherlock moment where "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
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Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:45 am

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In post 1307, Regfan wrote:You didn't want an "Inactive Child", well you got an active one, one that's
more experienced than you and one that's telling you TB is town
and not the focus needs to move elsewhere.
Let me say this:

The last time someone did this
  • He was a SE in my Newbies game. Using his SEness to dominate the exchange.
  • He mocked me. Called me "WOTCed in 3 months"
  • Also being hyper-confindent like you.
  • Pushed on town and the scum he is townread buddy him
  • Took 9 pages of exchange to actually convince to lynch the right guy
Regardless of ThinkBig's actual alignment
, please don't do that. People with such attitude is actively deterring new players from joining this game.

Such attitude should only stay in EpicMafia.com tournament lobby, where there is no new player.

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Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:47 am

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Or Team Mafia 2017.
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Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:01 am

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In post 1426, Regfan wrote:I went over the Desperado/SuperHans interaction from a few pages back and didn't like it on SuperHans end at all, found that his stance in that argument didn't match his play inside the game.
SuperHans is a new player so I reminded you before you went interrogate him.
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Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:09 am

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@Kop
If you are nervous of Gamma's wagon, why you don't role block him?
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Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:15 am

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Hold on a second. Why is it not town consistent if Kop didn't roleblock Gamma? According to TB and regfan, we called it didn't consistent because he changed from Kyouko -> Gamma?

But from town!Kop's mind, when he roleblocked kyouko, kyouko is still alive. It's a double standard to expect Kop would vote for Kyouko despite he's dead, right?

Let me rephrase it: regfan said that there's inconsistency on how he thinks. That is true assuming that Kop thinks GE > Kyouko.

But can't we assume that Kop thinks Kyouko > GE, which makes more sense?
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Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:17 am

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Another scum point for TB for repeating what regfan previously said.
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