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Post Post #700 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:54 am

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No seriously, we can stop with this charade. I answer your questions, and they aren't good enough so there's no sense of us continuing this. You ask me why I didn't ask Chara about our reads. I show you that I already did. Instead of considering this, you just come back with "well you didn't do it perfectly".

I will certainly help the remaining town who want to play to the town's win condition. When you also want to play to the town's win condition let me know and we can talk. If you're not going to accept my answers for what they are, then again all you are doing is inflating our post counts. The difference between my good town play, and your poor town play, is that when you (or anyone else) answers my questions I accept them.
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Post Post #701 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:01 am

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Welcome again, Math :)

@Dodge:

No need to apologize, but it would still be nice if you put your 3 picks explicitly in one post. I know Nero must be one of your lynches, but who would be another whom you Scum red INDEPENDENTLY from your Nero read? In other words, assuming Nero is Town; who would be your other lynch pick? And who is your one and only hat you will absolutely not consider lynching today.

@Kmd:

THANK YOU. I may get back to you with a couple of questions about some of your picks/reads, but what matters to me now is that you did provide answers and in the format I requested, so -once again- thanks you :)

P.S. Math has replaced banana mint ;)

@Math:

In post #600; is "I just want Almost Chara to say they have what they need first." a reference to my request of 3 names or something else?

Also, I see what you say about the Masons Vig shots, but it could be 2 shots and not necessarily unlimited shots. Still, your point is well taken there. Nice catch.

@Dodge:

Thanks, buddy. Got your picks. I agree on Vifam being Town, but we seriously disagree on your lynch picks. Will get back to that later.

Also, drafting Maria/Pepto is out of the question at this point. If they're Masons this would be the most anti-Town play ever as it would break their power.

What I CAN do though is draft either Titus or Tywin (both TRs) to avoid them being the target of another stunt like that.

Now what bothers me more about that Vig is not that it was used on Town (I wouldn't have called Creature "obv" Town myself. I simply can't read him at all), but the fact that it came after Maria's #382 (which Math quoted here) saying she thinks they shouldn't use their Vig shots because lynches give more info, but it could be blamed on the fact hey were pushed too hard they wanted to prove their Masons claim. It was still bad play regardless.
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@Math:

Yes, LyLo "could" happen as early as D3 but it's extremely unlikely. This is because if we mislynch twice and have 2 NKs on the first 2 nights, and assuming a 10-3 setup on each brand this means we are down to 6 vs 3 from that alone. Now add the drafting mechanics and if we only draft ONE scum and one Town over the 2 nights (and 2 Town get drafted from our brand to SD) we start D3 with 5 Townies vs 4 Scum, i.e. LyLo.

Um.. erm.. ok.. I take back the 2-shots Mason proposition. I don't see how we could have TWO Town Vigs tbh. never have seen it before, but I'll give it a teeny weeny little chance of being the case if it was done for a reason like we have 2 threads, but then there should be a mechanic either preventing you being drafted there and them being drafted here OR preventing both Vig shots from resolving successfully on the same night if both occur in the same thread, and we didn't get notified of such a limitation on our drafting picks in our PMs so option one is most probably null. (Btw, why do I feel the game has just become too complicated with that revelation? Did you really HAVE to claim so prematurely??) :facepalm:

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Post Post #702 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:06 am

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Nah I apologized because it was uncalled for. I am not a morning person. Let me know when you're completely caught up and have specific things to address.
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Post Post #703 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:13 am

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Considering I am a town vig if I didn't counterclaim after that it would be fishy as fuck later. We are not lynching today. I am shooting. The only thing up for debate is who. Then in essence I will be VT but IC as I am counterclaiming and inevitably shot. Yeah considering I have the rough task of countering a mason claim I believe to be fake I had to claim then.

Which means that I have to build four worlds and figure out which is right:
Both based off two questions

1a) Either the mason claim is shit OR 1b) Somehow two Town vigs ended up in this game which means Titus and DS are scum together.
2a) Almost Chara has a role/power related read on Nero or B) Almost Chara is making it up.

Some mix of 1 and 2 has to be true meaning pick one of the "1s" and one of the "2s".
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Post Post #704 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:13 am

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@Math:

I would appreciate it if you gave everyone who didn't respond to my request yet to do so before we end the day.

As for reading you, what's there to read? You were a Town lean by the opening few posts YOU did (not your predecessor though), but now you have gone and full claimed Vig, which I can't see you doing as Scum when both myself and Chara are here, so you are 95% Town by now, and you can join Nero, Menno & Vifam in my No Lynch pool.

Erm, what 4+ killing roles?? Wait. The submission thing all wrestlers have is NOT a Vig shot. Technically it is, but it only needs ONE lousy vote to be voided, so it's nothing but a flavour scenery.. a decoration of the game if you will. For a submission move to actually result in it's target being lynched it has to be a unanimous decision by all living players, which is even harder to achieve than the normal lynch.

Now if that is NOT what you meant, then please tell us what other Town killing Roles we have aside from yours and the claimed Masons' (which should count for one for all practical purposes).

Btw, I'm at the start of page 26 and here's the public count of my request so far:

Unlynchable:

Ms. Columbo -
Pepchoninga -
Kmd4390 –
pepchoninga

Almost Chara -
Nero Cain

McMenno -
Lil Uzi Vert -
Mathblade -
Nero Cain

DodgeTheSaint -
Vifam

Vifam -
Nero Cain –
Almost Chara

Malpascp -


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Mathblade

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Malpascp

McMenno -
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DodgeTheSaint

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Post Post #705 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:17 am

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The claim is absolutely not premature at all.

Furthermore yet another Town role with a 50%doc/50%kill role PM came up. I do not buy the masons myself and that person (I forget who) are all Town. We know that slot is town. I will prove myself by EoD.

What I am hoping is the other side drafts me and we draft Grey. I townread Grey so hard right now it is insane.

If I die then I flip Town and mason claim gets scrutinized
starting with MariaR
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Post Post #706 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:23 am

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Spoiler:
Subject: WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Pre-Twilight of Day Two)

[quote="Vince McMahon"]
The scene fades in with Mr. McMahon on a conference call.

"That's right. Bischoff, Long, you two need to listen up. My financial adviser came up to me and told me how much we're spending when wrestlers are injured. This is ridiculous. I can't count the amount of zeroes at the end of this!"

He pauses, listening in.

"Well, I don't give a crap! We're not spending any more money on these people so they can have a vacation paid, sitting on their asses until doctors clear them! The way that I see it, if the injury doesn't happen in the WWE ring, it's not on the job and they can do whatever the hell that they want when it's
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on my dime! I can make these loopholes happen! I'm Vincent Kennedy McMahon, damn it!"

Jerry Lawler bursts into the room. "Mr. McMahon!"

"I'm on a very important phone call. What is it?"

"It's Chris Jericho! He was just escorted out by ambulance. The doctors said he has something broken. He could be out for months!"

McMahon smiles. "Maybe not months. Maybe a bit longer." He grabs the telephone, but Michael Cole runs in.

"It's Rhyno! Someone knocked him out. It's a major concussion. He'll be out for a while!"

McMahon grabs the phone. "I'm going to have to get off the phone with you two, gentlemen. I have two people to fire."

Spoiler: KainTepes/Rhyno has been eliminated from the game. He was...
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Who are you?
You are the War Machine! You are the Gore Machine! God forbid you should ever get into the path or Rhyno!
Which roster are you with?
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What is your alignment?
You are a
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What are your abilities?
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Vote
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Gore
- Once per day, you may use this move. Using this impact move on an opponent will make that person unable to vote for forty-eight hours.
Insane Doctor
- At night, you can target someone and try to protect them. Be careful! There's a 50% chance you'll save them if they become attacked but there's also a 50% chance that you're going to kill them! You've got to blame your risky gores that can easily back fire!
What is your win condition?
You win when the entire heel threat is eliminated from your brand.


Here is a confirmed town killing role. I cannot believe the mason claim at all.
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Post Post #707 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:25 am

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@Almost Chara -- I won't shoot til you get everyone's input.

Do you townread Dodge?
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Post Post #708 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:28 am

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In post 700, DodgeTheSaint wrote:No seriously, we can stop with this charade. I answer your questions, and they aren't good enough so there's no sense of us continuing this. You ask me why I didn't ask Chara about our reads. I show you that I already did. Instead of considering this, you just come back with "well you didn't do it perfectly".

I will certainly help the remaining town who want to play to the town's win condition. When you also want to play to the town's win condition let me know and we can talk. If you're not going to accept my answers for what they are, then again all you are doing is inflating our post counts. The difference between my good town play, and your poor town play, is that when you (or anyone else) answers my questions I accept them.
I specifically asked for where you asked Almost Chara about the Nero read.

You never did. I don't see that coming from a town mindset. Specifically if someone said they had PR evidence or mechanic evidence you were Town I would pressure them. Instead you continually talk about Nero. That is crap.
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Post Post #709 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:39 am

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Vote Count 2.06
Ms. Columbo
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Pepchoninga
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Kmd4390
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Almost Chara
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- Lil Uzi Vert
McMenno
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- Vifam, Malpscp
Lil Uzi Vert
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- Almost Chara
Mathblade
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DodgeTheSaint
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- Nero Cain
Vifam
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Nero Cain
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- DodgeTheSaint
Malpascp
(2/6)
- Kmd4390, McMenno
Not Voting:
Ms. Columbo, Pepchoninga, Mathblade


Notes:
- (expired on 2017-01-15 12:40:00) until DodgeTheSaint can vote.

(expired on 2017-01-20 07:30:00) until the end of Day Two.
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Post Post #710 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:05 am

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@Dodge:

You don't seem to fully get it. BOTH brands are playing the same game and there is a drafting mechanic in application. Setup spec based on flipped/claimed roles on the other thread is not out of the question because ANYONE (but the brand GM) could be switching their "playfield" at any given twilight, so roles mus've been designed to maintain the overall balance as well as the internal balance within each brand separately (and I'm no mod at all, so I don't know HOW this could be done, but I just know it should be the case).

*ROTFL*

Math, are you trying to eat a bullet for the Town? What the heck are you doing fully claiming all your role details?? I mean, I concede that you obv!Towned more than I could have ever hoped for, but you also put a BIG RED X on your back.

@Dodge:

Wrong again, my friend. Let's say (and this is strictly a hypothetical proposition) that SD achieved their win con by the start of D3. This tells us both their drafts were scum and thus if the game doesn't end here already then we have ONE scumster to be looking for. If SD does NOT get locked by the start of D3, then AT LEAST one of their drafts is Town, if not both, or we may start suspecting one of our own drafts is scum. You can do the math for if Scum achieve their win con by the END of D3, or the beginning of D4, but the point is both brands have everything to do with each other.

@Dodge:

OK, so I've gone through your ISO from D1 starting at the top of page 12 until the EoD, and I fail o recognize a question directed at us, except the one when you asked if you missed anything after having fantasized a hypothetical conversation with us (which I found entertaining, btw).

Ok, call me dumb and please restate pr rephrase your question.
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Do you townread Dodge?
I did at one point during your interaction with him. I had the feeling he was Towning it up. But then came the "Where did they claim?" vs "I know what post you're referring to." thing and these two posts were only separated by 3 minutes, so I retracted my Town lean on them at that point.

TBH, I'm not sure enough about Dodge's alignment. I would rather Mal or LUV be the target of the vig shot, but then it's YOUR shot, and I have no strong reason to stop it from being directed at Dodge either. I mean, I WOULD have stopped it if it was on you, Nero, Vifam or Nero (and I have a problem with Nero Scum reading Vifam here, but that can wait bc neither looks like being lynched/vigged today).

@Vifam/Malpascp:

Are you guys ignoring me or what? If you have reason not to comply to my request at least say so so we know whom we are waiting for and whom we're not. Thanks in advance.

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Post Post #711 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:08 am

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In post 586, MathBlade wrote:Pepchoninga give me a reason why you are Town. I would lynch you right now.

Got confused as to if Pep or Peptonclaimed masons so I started my indepth with the other thread.

I think that thread is Titus+DS or Maria+Pepto. I think everyone else especially Grey is town. Just on reads I would say Titus for trying to get rid of the mason claims but something doesn't sit right with me about it.

Going to finish indepth here but based on my light read I would say Nero and Almost Chara are town. If they aren't Eris help us this thread would be deader than a game at the old Saint Louis Rams stadium.
Why should I give you a reason that I'm town. It's your job to find one. And now that it seems like this game is getting started I hope you will eventually find one.
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Post Post #712 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:12 am

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In post 591, Nero Cain wrote:
TIME TO PLAY THE GAME!



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The Game
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In post 588, MathBlade wrote:Pepchinga for an ISO that looks like a blow of wind would knock it all over
I think the scummiest thing Pep is doing is that he's not participating here while signing up for a bunch of other games. I mean sure yeah, his "Nero is scummy for pushing a lynch on Penguin." is kinda pants on head and I don't really like how he avoided my post directed at him but he's also new (unless he's an alt)
In post 589, MathBlade wrote:However I also don't like DodgeTheSaint and LUV for splitting the difference on what might as well be masons between Almost Chara and Nero Cain.
We aren't masons. That's like not even the scummiest shit they've done.

Like I remember seeing the post but I guess I didn't really absorb the information but I think its entirely plausible that Vifam used the town wincon to get town cred. I mean, Uzi's actions surrounding the Penguin wagon were fed up with silliness. Dodge is deff scum here whether he's defending Uzi for town cred or Uzi is a buddy. Ditto Vifam. That leaves us with KMD and Mal. Now part of me likes Mal for "agreeing with my cases on Uzi and Dodge" but I think its clear he didn't fully understand my arguments so he's just blindly agreeing with me. INB4 Dodge says I should town read him for that. So I think 3 of those 4 are scum.
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Post Post #713 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:12 am

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@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
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Post Post #714 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:13 am

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Nah replacing in is easier. No shitty RVS and no interactions to dog read through.
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Post Post #715 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:15 am

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Technically IC is a bit extreme but my finishing move has vig in it lol. Can't get more firmed than that.
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Post Post #716 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:16 am

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In post 598, MathBlade wrote:
In post 595, DodgeTheSaint wrote:
In post 585, MathBlade wrote:Hey hey hey!!!

Apparently there's some heels that need some smacking. And when Randy Orton is in the house he brings the pain!!! So get ready for a spectacle folks because those heels won't know what hit them!

Well after I do this awesome thing called examining the ring (reading the thread). Then scum smackage shall commence.
This is really poor Randy Orton cosplay... and I wish this was the only issue I had with your catch up.
MathBlade wrote:I think that thread is Titus+DS or Maria+Pepto. I think everyone else especially Grey is town. Just on reads I would say Titus for trying to get rid of the mason claims but something doesn't sit right with me about it.
So at this point your reads are more developed on the OTHER brand than the one you replaced INTO? This can't be real. (It is, because the next post, your second real post in this game is all about the other brand)

Chara I apologize for the snark in the last post, but this is the EXACT thing we discussed yesterday. Mathblade did it nearly point for point.
I don't watch wrestling :/ I am doing my best based on what is in the PM and yes I was more focused on the other thread based on something said here. I understand it looks bad right now but before EoD you will see why and I have a feeling that you will either love it or hate it.
You're missing a lot. Especially old wrestling has some realy good shit. I was motivated to watch some after I got into this game and back then, McMahon was actually doing a decent job running his company lol.
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Oh and about 600 yes it sure is :) Just making sure everyone posts as requested.
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Post Post #718 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:17 am

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In post 714, MathBlade wrote:Nah replacing in is easier. No shitty RVS and no interactions to dog read through.
I love shitposting and all the fun that comes with RVS tho. I just find it hard to see and find the reasonings befind the conflicts since I either wasn't in them or just didn't keep up with them in real time.
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Post Post #719 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:18 am

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Ahh now I have an honest post to work with and can now see if tone matches. This is why I love replacing in.
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Post Post #720 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:19 am

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In post 713, MathBlade wrote:@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
Interested on how you base your read on me on practically nothing. I just expressed that I don't like Nero. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more suspects. Hopefully now I will be able to. Also I hope to solidify my opinion on Nero.
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Post Post #721 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:23 am

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In post 607, MathBlade wrote:Explain why you are Town.

The question about shots is extremely relevant.
This is the first time I see someone ask another play to say why they are town. You can't do that. There is no good reaction to this. They can tell you some shit and you can always enterprate is as fake since the question itself can't have a good answer. It is your job to get TRs and actually deduce if someone is scum or town.
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Post Post #722 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:24 am

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In post 720, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 713, MathBlade wrote:@A50 after today I will be a VT IC soooo if I eat bullet for PR that be good use of obvTownie yes? Yes. Okay good.

@Pepchinga because I can kill you or Dodge and sleep a okay in dead thread and not have a qualm about it. I don't think you or Dodge are town.
Interested on how you base your read on me on practically nothing. I just expressed that I don't like Nero. Unfortunately I couldn't find any more suspects. Hopefully now I will be able to. Also I hope to solidify my opinion on Nero.
This is false. It was late at night sleepy as fuck just finished my first bit of thread work and you and Dodge's push seemed fake as fuck started pushing you Dodge came in, didn't like his answers and he refuses to take a stand on you.
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Post Post #723 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:24 am

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In post 613, MathBlade wrote:Make a case why you are Town Dodge. I want to hear it.
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Post Post #724 (ISO) » Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:26 am

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In post 721, Pepchoninga wrote:
In post 607, MathBlade wrote:Explain why you are Town.

The question about shots is extremely relevant.
This is the first time I see someone ask another play to say why they are town. You can't do that. There is no good reaction to this. They can tell you some shit and you can always enterprate is as fake since the question itself can't have a good answer. It is your job to get TRs and actually deduce if someone is scum or town.
I can, do, and did. It isn't about the question having a good answer and the fact you are looking for a good answer concerns me. I scumhunt by asking questions particularly questions that people aren't used to answering. Like who is your townread and why? Why are you Town? Scum hate those questions.
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