Large Normal 200 - Big Round Numbers - Game Over

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Meh, I (almost) always townread Gin and Alisae. And now I am getting a good feeling about drealmerz7.

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This is how D1 mislynches happen: Town thinks they must go after someone who gives info, that player flips town and what info they get? Probably a lynchlist of at most one scum.

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Sometimes D1 mislynch is good, but D1 scumlynch is better.

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If I'm advocating for another lynch, that's still info. Players will have to voice their opinions on that wagonee, aka info.

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that is scumtastic, creature

Nah, that's town!me focusing on lynching scum.

I don't care if the odds are low.
I don't care how involved that player is.
I care how likely they'll flip scum.

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Doesn't mean I'll let them get away easily.

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I force inactive players to post more, the others sort the players that are posting more.

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So my town!self should stick to voting you even if I start thinking you're town?

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Fine.

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I'll kill scum myself then.

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Investigatives

Don't waste your precious checks on lurkers (unless you're some tracking-like role who thinks lurker will kill). They won't give info anyway.

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Creature, there are too many posts. Who are you voting? Baah.

I don't want to reward the hyper posters.

If I am supposed to vote someone that will probably be voted the entire game no matter how towny, then I'll have to vote one of them anyway, but I really preferred a lurker lynch. Let's analyse:

ssbm_Kyouko = Usually more active as town
Gamma Emerald = Same as ssbm, though maybe I understand why he couldn't post much
Pine = Not really sure if he would lurk like this as scum, but I would want him to be more active
All Alone = Lot of empty votes and easy things to say
SlickDinger = Besides being a lurker, his few posts look awkward

There are also Debi and EchoVision, but I think they're lurker by nature, and their posts look more like town than scum.

I've been checking the active posters, but so far I'm not scumreading any of them, maybe I should leave that to someone else sort.

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that is not how the game is played

if you have a case on me and think posts I made are scummy

quote them and articulate why

if someone disagrees or has something to add

then they do that

and then I give my position

and then you all judge all of the things and weigh likelihoods and how you assess it

And if I was one of your main scumreaders but I change my mind on you?

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Going for lynches such as slick and drealmerz on this specific day one is fucking awful imo

He's saying we should go for them because "it's info"

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Okay, do whatever.

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I'll probably die N1 anyway.

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(hopefully not to a dumb vig)

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I'm failing to lynch someone I think is scum and I am not complaining lol

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Policy lynch sometimes feels like an excuse to not bother with someone.

Sadly I've already used that excuse sometimes.

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Alisae is being anti-town because:
1) She's purposely not trying to lynch scum
2) She's doing actions detrimental for town (such faking guilties and doing lolhammers)
3) She's not playing the way you want to play

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Which is correct?

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Alisae is being anti-town because:
1) She's purposely not trying to lynch scum
2) She's doing actions detrimental for town (such faking guilties and doing lolhammers)
3) She's not playing the way you want town to play

Fixed

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It's still hard to see when someone classifies my constant vote-hopping and one-liners as "liability to town". Alisae must be feeling the same.

It's like saying an ethical group is detrimental to humanity.

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Okay, host your "how to play mafia like me" threads.

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Okay, what are your opinions on Gin and Alisae?

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Is Titus coming in asking specifically to me who she should vote something coming from town!Titus?

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lol

After all only I couldn't push another wagon without it being "scum motivation"

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This needs to be lynched before dumb townies come along and unvote for "NEVER LYNCH CLAIMED PR D1 D:"

Too late, and I'm not a dumb townie.

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Nah, I should be voting scum.

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What about SlickDinger?

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I agree on AA and maybe Zach, but not HS.

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Titus also is acting pretty strange. She would've been tunneling and making thousand posts, what she's doing now?

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ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

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Why we're not wagoning them? Because they were untouched the entire game and thus generates "low info"

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You got a nice poetry there.

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VOTE: All Alone

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Uzi, Dunn and Zach are starting to bother me.

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Take out the "he draws scum".

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If scum decides to nokill to incriminate the vig, good. We'll be one suspect lower and we won't potentially lose a mislynch.

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Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

SlickDinger > All Alone > Zachstralkita > EchoVision

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

Debi (the least) < texcat

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My Top Protect would be Debi over texcat.

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Use this:

Spoiler:

	All Alone	Debi	EchoVision	SlickDinger	texcat	Zachstralkita
rb
Alisae
ssbm_Kyouko
Lil Uzi Vert
Titus
Zachstralkita
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drealmerz7
Ircher
Pine
Human Sequencer
texcat
Wraith
SlickDinger
Debi
EchoVision
Dunnstral
All Alone

Code: Select all

[row][header]Player Name[/header][cell=6]TheRealGin-N-Tonic[/cell][/row]

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Shoot: All Alone and SlickDinger
Protect: Debi and texcat

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VOTE: SlickDinger

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The difference is that vig shots should be used preferably on lurkers, while investigations should be used on more active players that are still question marks.

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Can we not nolynch?

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We have almost 4 days though, enough to switch the wagon to any living player there.

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What we gain with a nolynch?

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lol okay

D1 mislynches are always good for town.

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That was actually a good strategy.

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If I die tonight, it isn't scum trying to frame my scumreads, there must have scum in my scumreads.

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Nah, mhsmith0 should know how Multiball is bad.

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VOTE: Pine

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Btw, we already mislynched, so we don't need to purposelly mislynch again.

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Oh right, "Red" Mafia.

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Btw, tell me when you're running a singleball large normal with at least 19 players.

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At least this explains why all scum are lurking hard.

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I made that comment because of the possibility of there being an SK, not two scum teams.

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Okay, I was kinda worried I was wrong about Pine and that he doesn't play like this as scum, though, it now explains he's scum trying to not be lynched nor NKed by the other scumteam.

The good news is that if Pine isn't lynched today, the other scumteam will probably kill him now.

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Yeah, sometimes I am not likable, doesn't mean I'm scum.

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Would you rather die to town or to the other scumteam?

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Multiball with one nightkill and a dead red mafia means red mafia failed to kill for some reason. Unlikely that both mafias have a roleblocker unless the other maf has an even night roleblocker, but that doesn't apply to last night. Red mafia failed due to protection of some kind

Unless, is it common in multiball for a team to no kill with the intent to make the game look like singleball to the rest of the town?

??? pings hard from kyouko - this seems like fake "figuring it out"

why would scum no-kill to try and confuse town that it's single ball at all????

Because Creature said it was singleball?

If it's that, then we know the other red mafia members are dumb.

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Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

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Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

explain the townslip and how it comes off as genuine.

Look why he's townreading me.

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everything GIN said should be disregarded

everything everyone said about GIN should be disregarded

idk

You aren't really driving us to the correct direction anyway.

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90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.

Doesn't mean they're all town

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tf there are 9 scum, are there two scumteams of 4 members plus one SK?

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OlllOLlLskkdkskalalal

Hwy guys Titus is scum

Oh right, I forgot about Titus.

Well, too many scum to lynch.

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Kyouko said this as if to imply said players were voting Gin because he wanted to shoot them. It's not true.

Oh right. I thought you were devaluing his reads.

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If you want Zach, you can have my support.

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VOTE: Zachstralkita

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Okay, I noticed the guilty.

VOTE: EchoVision

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Hoping scum.

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Good job, Alisae, even if Slick is town.

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mhsmith0

You forgot Desperado killed SlickDinger.

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Then where did you get "novice"?

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Where did you find that expression?

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Uh nvm

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VOTE: SlickDinger

It's L-2 I think

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Nvm it's L-1

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You could've desperado'd Echo -_-

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Okay, what was Slick's reaction?

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I genuinely believed it was L-1.

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Mod missed my vote change. Guess I really need to get used to using Vote tags.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Slick

I'm pretty damn confident in this one since he decided to disappear right after Alisae fake Dayvigged him. Scum who thought he was dead.

Oh woops, I forgot Wraith was already voting.

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Since when mafia is yellow?

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Red, blue, and yellow, 3 members each, I wonder how Debi knew there was 9 scum?

There should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and no more than one Serial Killer.

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Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

?

He's townreading me because -Grey- was pushing me, but apparently he didn't notice this is multiball.

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This is boring me so much.

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Saying the other scum is Blue isn't scumslip. Though, I don't feel good about ssbm anyway.

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I probably don't want to lynch ssbm this early though.

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Now it's up to you whether you'll spare SlickDilinger because he was the "top wagon" the whole day or just kill him because he's so far doing nothing.

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The waiting for a flip will hurt so much.

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Now it's up to you whether you'll spare SlickDilinger because he was the "top wagon" the whole day or just kill him because he's so far doing nothing.

So is your prerogative to vote players for lack of content or because you think they are scum?

The former reasones the latter.

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Hey Zach, I'm looking for who's most likely scum. Though, we're having difficulties to make a good wagon, and Slick has a fairly decent chance to flip scum.

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Prodded

You were prodded. Please, confirm you're still here by nightkilling yourself.

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VOTE: SlickDilinger

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VOTE: Slick

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Sometimes we just need a flip.

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Has Slick claimed?

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I can't plan much ahead when there are 17 players left.

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Not really wanting Echo.

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What about ssbm or Titus?

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Oh right, hi RadiantCowbells.

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Hi Severa, reads?

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UNVOTE:

Okay, I could consider Echo.

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Hmm, let me see good wagon options.

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Zachstralkita, Titus, All Alone, ssbm_Kyouko

maybe: Pine, Lil Uzi Vert, Dunnstral, EchoVision

That's not including Slick

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Never saw you mentioning a dual hammer, just unvoted because Severa requested.

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Huh, you never mentioned a dual hammer at all. Unless you mean you'll hammer if Severa doesn't talk.

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Anyone with good lynch options?

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Titus so far took no stances.

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Could do Dunnstral.

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tbh someone who scumreads Alisae isn't worth listening to anyway.

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rb we need you

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Okay, I'm trusting you there.

VOTE: Wraith

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Yeah, this game is ultra-dead.

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Though, can we at least do some lynches? Eventually we'll get lucky and random lynch scum in the process.

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Btw, did you know that if you prod-dodge (after you enter prod range) and the latest post was yours, you get to choose the lynch?

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I am gamesolving, just not the way you want.

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Severa, Titus, Zachstralkita

They aren't lurker lynches.

Which one do we wagon?

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You'll have to crosskill at some point, so why not get rid of that pesky opposing scumteam?

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If we vote our top scumread, the day will never end in a lynch.

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Why you not doing anything?

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It's funny though, Zach experienced both town!me and scum!me, I smell opportunistic.

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You awake to find that texcat was killed! She was

Spoiler:

Welcome to Large Normal 200! You are a treacherous

Red Mafia Odd-Night Roleblocker

!

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well to confuse town and distort truth.

You may communicate with your

{REDACTED}

during the day as well as each night here.

You may also perform your factional kill each night.

You may also, on odd nights only, choose to roleblock any player. This will prevent that player from taking any actions that night. You may, if you wish, use this ability at the same time as performing your factional kill.

Win Condition:
You win when all other factions have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and alignment

Day two deadline is Saturday January 28, 12 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-28 13:00:00)

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Mod announcement

Rb is the

town innocent child

.

That is all.

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Btw, anyone still thinks Ircherslot is scum?

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I'm feeling this isn't Wraith's towngame, and I don't need to complete a game with him to have this feeling.

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I only accept policy lynches if the player is useless as town but pretty good as scum (so far not Alisae's case).

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Oh right, so which of these you feel is a better case?

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By this logic you should want to PL drealmerz.

Nah, I currently don't think drealmerz7 would fool me as scum like this.

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drealmerz7 plays more like "what scum would do" rather than "what only town would do".

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Alisae

Wraith is town, because when he said he townread me because of Grey's push, it sort of suggested he thought it was singleball and scum would know it's multiball.

Wraith is scum, because as town he's much more aggressive and doesn't just post these weird catch up walls and yadda yadda.

Which of these makes more sense for you?

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Oh that's pretty much verbatim.

What changed your mind, Creature?

tbh I forgot about the townslip I mentioned. I started scumreading Wraith because I sorta felt it wasn't town!him.

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Again, I don't need to have a completed game with Wraith to note diferences.

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Nah, I don't get lynched in games I obvtown unless town's pretty bad to the point there's no faith anymore.

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Again, I don't need to have a completed game with Wraith to note diferences.

You are legimately comparing his town game to this game currently.

Do you know what "complete a game with him" means?

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Again, I don't need to have a completed game with Wraith to note diferences.

You are legimately comparing his town game to this game currently.

Do you know what "complete a game with him" means?

Means finish a game with him no?

Yeah, I could be comparing games I've watched/read.

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I already explained why your push on me seemed opportunistic, you claimed you never really saw scum!me.

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Did you play Hunger Games II though?

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If town, it should be entirely feasible to you that I've simply read you way incorrectly. Instead I have to be scum, which is an expansion of the ghost scumread you've had on me this game.

Oh yeah, Open 649.

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Hmm, at least your scumreads aren't that terribly bad.

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or I'm lacking townreads.

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and your scumreads want what?

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If you were a vigilante, who would you kill (not including me)?

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My reads mostly come from guts and metas, for me it is easier to explain my townreads than my scumreads.

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Hmm, not sure if I stick with this wagon or I switch to ssbm_Kyouko.

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I'll probably end up lynching both at some point.

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Vigilantes aren't detrimental to unclaimed PRs, unclaimed PRs are detrimental to vigilantes.

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I just hope no PR is trying to act scummy to not get NKed.

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How hillarious would it be if the mod was just making us think it was multiball?

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Something tells me that scum made that claim to make sure I don't get doc protection.

lol, why would I protect you (if I could)?

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Was it a legit claim?

Probably not.

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11v4v4 isn't possible unless the reviewers drank bleach.

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The Reppe replaced.

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Debi was town, this is why I still haven't voted him.

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So how much progress are we doing so far? I'm fine with ssbm and Wraith, maybe with some more.

Hopefully we don't stay stuck all the day putting wagons to L-3/L-2 and not achieving a lynch at all.

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Nah, EchoVision is my favorite lurker.

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Nah, EchoVision is my favorite lurker.

am i considered a lurker with 224 posts??

Hey, you were considered a lurker some time before.

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MortField, hopefully you aren't thinking of lynching someone that looks associated with texcat.

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If we get red, good.
If we get blue, way better, no scumteam will be overpowering.

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Good, we do associative when there are more flipped scum (preferably from both scumteams).

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From Dunn and Zach, Dunn looks town and Zach looks scum.

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So did Severa point somewhere he was faking a guilty?

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Please point out posts and explain what they're telling your gut and why.

Not all players are that proactive.

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Like me.

I won't quote posts, but I'll try to explain in my way my townreads.

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rb is conftown.
Alisae looks pretty town, though I need to find a scum game of his.
You're town because, well, it looks like you're scumhunting.
drealmerz7 is town for the EOD.
MortFeld because his predecessor. Ircher seemed like town!himself.
Human Sequencer should be obvious.
The Rebbe "just" because Debi. Debi seemed to not know anything (though, looking more like town that don't know anything than scum).
EchoVision because his recent posts.

Everybody else I'm unconfident on.

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Okay, I'll see, though my gut feelings come from "*very quickly checks ISO* hmm town".

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Which townreads you disagree?

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Yes, I do.

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Creature, why would scumRebbe claim here? Further, why would scumRebbe claim the texcat kill, putting a massive target on his back if the other scumteam can figure out he's scum?

I actually forgot to include the vig claim.

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Okay, I'll see, though my gut feelings come from "*very quickly checks ISO* hmm town".

I really want to talk about your scum reads.

Okay

Wraith? ssbm_Kyouko? SlickDilinger? All Alone? Zachstralkita? Titus?

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So if you buy his claim, why is he town "Just" for Debi?
You didn't forget to include the vig claim, you very definitively said that's not why you townread him.

Because of Debi and his vig claim now.

Didn't really like his entrance so much, but whatever.

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All Alone sorta disappeared, not? I've had him as scum because of how he wasn't helping town at all.

Zachstralkita reminds me of Open 649, where him (scum) and Dunnstral (town) had opposite reads, but Dunnstral was non-serious. I think them having opposite reads is a sign one of them must be scum.

Gamma Emerald seemed bad. Titus looks worse, she flew off the radar for a while, now she's making these softtunnels like aiming to her town meta.

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I wouldn't mind seeing the crumb.

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I'm talking to anyone about the BP crump.

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*crumb

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You've been pushing that one of me or zach has to be scum all game and it's getting old; guess you're just scum

Or town that doesn't want the rest of the town to leave scum survive to endgame.

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Though, my experience mentions about it. And even if it isn't reliable, I can't get a strong townread on any of you.

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Guess it is new site meta for guilties to be treated as gambits.

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Nah, not at all.

Scum on both teams are pushing this angle right now.

Can you mention some of them?

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Dunnstral was the first one to claim a guilty (on EchoVision), but retracted it.

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Where's your vote on Wraith?

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Remember when players that lied about guilties were usually lynched?

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Hmm, okay, if I survive to the next day I'll make a revelation.

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Guess that means atleast one scum between you and Severa, right?

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I have a special rule to not lynch cop claims.

UNVOTE:

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Huh I didn't out?

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Let's move on

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

[Creature]

Mafia 2-shot Gunsmith is possible?

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I don't like the claim tho, those sorts of ones are admittedly easy for scum to make but on the flip side it would sort of explain Wraiths background play

Could save from a mislynch but not from a nightkill, there are better claims than that.

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VOTE: Severa

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Never confirmed (nor unconfirmed) vigilante.

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Because I don't think I would be the only vigilante.

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I'll confirm that I didn't shoot texcat last night, not confirming whether I'm vigilante or not.

[Creature]

I could still be a VT trying to draw the NK to me. Or a town PR making scum think that.

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Though, I didn't shoot texcat.

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Maybe it'd have been better if I wasn't outted, I don't think scum found it out before.

[Creature]

So the deadline is 3 days and if we keep stressing out with claims that could help town tonight, we'll make scum

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Assuming you're scumreading Severa, would you let Severa claim more results or just straight lynch him?