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[Ircher]

Only if 'bust' is code for 'Alisae'.

nah, it's code for no lynch.

Pedit: ACE - Answer, Cite, Explain.

[Ircher]

Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.

I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).

The two questions in case you forget are:

Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat

Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

1) It benefits town more to vig whoever you want
2) It benefits town more to vig whoever you want

[Ircher]

Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.

I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).

The two questions in case you forget are:

Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat

Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

Q1: Debi can go.
Q2: I am increasingly feeling like Slick is an attempt at an easy mislynch. There was a really easy flashwagon on him earlier, and now he's a lazy compromise lynch? Yeah, that sounds like bait.

Whom do you propose we lynch instead and why? Also -- Extensive evidence and deep analysis ir your preference is Alisae.

[Ircher]

@Titus: If I'm recalling correctly, Slick said he would be more active and have more to contribute Day 2. Why aren't you willing to hold him to that?

Fair point.

[Ircher]

Zach, Ircher, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, AA. Ya'll the last ones not to put input, help a bro, thank you.

I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).

The two questions in case you forget are:

Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat

Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

this is freaking

9:30 AM EST

on a school day --- be patient.

[Ircher]

Continuing from page 72

Spoiler: Notes

* Wow Echo's #1775 is serious crap. Alisae never has a case on anyone. And coming from ECHO at this point it's just super-hypocritical
* I don't know why talk of lynching Slick has gone out the window at this point.
* dreal is getting better. Actually trying to contribute rather than make excuses for not contributing. Nevertheless, I'm suddenly struck by a theory I had as I went to bed last night on why Creature is playing the way he is, assuming he is town. Not going to say it out loud but I think I have to re-evaluate my read on Creature. I think he's back in the soft townread category. This is good sequence I think it cleared up my reads on a couple players I was having trouble pinning down.
* Titus sheeping Creature of all players is a little odd IMO
* I think I agree with Titus in #1830. Problem is, it's hard to read players based on how they in turn read dreal. It's really easy to scumread dreal for things that (to me at least) seem like normal dreal things
* #1831 JFC dreal. I start townreading you and you say something like that.
* #1832 Townreading Titus. Astonishing how she can replace in like that and post in such a way that I can immediately get a read on her
* #1833 I feel like I missed something on why Zach objects strongly to a Slick lynch
* #1835 and now Titus's sheeping of Creature is even more baffling
* Okay dreal's play just swings wildly between "scummy-ass garbage" and "legit has a point I think" and as a result I'm completely uncomfortable lynching him D1 this game. He just has a naturally-scummy and abrasive playstyle and I think it's sending peoples' radars completely haywire already.
* #1856 makes me think Zach and I are kindred spirits in this regard. For being confirmed town RB seems awfully preoccupied with throwing his

penis

weight around rather than actually trying to scumhunt
* Posts #1865 and #1867 are good examples of why drealmerz is a really bad lynch for the day. Uzi and HS are players I've been getting soft scum vibes from for a while, but even they are coming up with fair points against drealmerz. He's one of those players where it's easy to find him scummy and equally easy to dodge blame if you were on the wagon and he flips town, simply because he's so naturally scummy it's easy to come up with legitimate reasons to lynch him, motives being genuine or not.
* #1874 Fucking. Kill. This. Shit.
* #1897 yet more examples of why drealmerz is actually a shit lynch, not (necessarily) a scum lynch. He does this a lot. He's been doing this practically the entire game so far!
* Okay #1901 is a good post and seems genuine. Even if it's in response to dreal. With a number of new players dipping into my scumreads HS might be getting bumped up to Murky.
* #1908 wow. Not trying to offend people personally, but the huge amount of lurkers who come out to vote the prevailing wagon for shallow or non-existent reasons is just a cancer on this game.
* I can get behind Zach's reasoning in #1945. His bolded there is pretty fucking spot on IMO
* #1965 Fucking hell and I was just starting to get comfortable with Dunn
* #1966 I fucking hate talk like this. Play your damn wincon.
* #1983 oh please this is absolutely fucking hypocritical and it's disgusting
* #1992 thank you a goodpost by Dunn to make up for the last shit one. Even if one of his four scum mentioned is Zach which is shit.
* #2008 I get it now, Dunn. Bad company.
* #2031 jeremiahjohnsonnod.gif
* Ircher reading Alisae as lynchbait but not dreal is rather fucking baffling

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Spoiler: Reads By Category

Townread

rb
Gin
texcat
Ircher
Zach

Soft Townread

Creature
Dunnstral
GE/Titus
All Alone

Neutral/Murky

Kyouko
Debi
Pine
HS
drealmerz

Soft Scumread

Uzi
Echo

Scumread

Slick
Alisae

Since Nadroj's game finished --- The difference between drealm and alisae is that alisae feels genuine and the questionable stuff from his iso seem more subconscious.

Drealm is however on purposely playing like Low-Hanging Fruit (he admittted such in fact).

Thats a huge difference.

ALISAE HAS CALLED HIMSELF LYNCHBAIT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE YOU LABELED HIM AS SUCH AND IN FACT HAS EXPRESSED SCUMREADS ON OTHER PLAYERS FOR "PUSHING LYNCHBAIT" (REFERRING TO HIMSELF)

Self-aware doesn't change the genuine feel of the posts. Again, Alisae feels like he is playing genuine whereas Dreal is just obfuscating, etc. on purpose to avoid getting metaread and to "trap" players into lynching him implying he is much more skilled than he trues to imitate.

[Ircher]

Slick is an existing candidate.

The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.

I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (I

wonder who

?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.

Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.

If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.

Pointing out that multiball is a possibility and could screw this plan.

[Ircher]

Slick is an existing candidate.

The Real Gin and Tonic is nit. He's a provable PR claim.

I mean if most of the players agree this is the path we want to take then I'm fine lynching someone else today (I

wonder who

?). Thing this fakeclaim by Gin seems incredibly obvious to me and I don't want to let it slide based on just a couple of people who buy into it.

Then the evidence will fail to come in day 2. If there's no additional corpse, we get information about the roles scum have. Plus, we force scum to block the vig.

If Gin is scum, then, we still have the data from the push and no extra kill will appear since scum vigs are blacklisted in normals.

Gin's role is not provable. You have to assume that this is single-ball, that there is no SK, that there isn't a vig that isn't counter-claiming, that there isn't a vig that isn't a x-shot. No matter how many kills there are overnight, it won't prove Gin's role.

IIRC it is because Vigs in Normal games must have a kill flavor distinguishable from other factions.

no, there CANNOT be separate kill flavors.
/derp

[Ircher]

Dude, you people are being so dumb that the only slots you'll agree to lynch are obvious town. This is the largest d1 on record.

Vote SD or state why he is town.

Dreal is a better lynch, but I may or may not join.

[Ircher]

SD Echo and Ircher all likely scum.

Agreed on ircher but it's just a hunch

Hrm interesting....

Why?

[Ircher]

Agreed on ircher but it's just a hunch

With the rate of this thread and town "leaders" insisting on derping, no way to scumhunt it though.

I am not an "it".

[Ircher]

ohno, he's lurking in a 19p D1 shitfest!!

mustbescummmmm!!!!

this is not when you lynch lurkers

this is when you lynch alisae

tell me why alisae is town, titus, DO IT or they're scum!!!!

no, this is the ideal time to lynch lurkers before they WIFOM everyone at LyLo.

[Ircher]

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: No Lynch

[Ircher]

now you're flailing.

noop

but you're obsessed with me!!!

i truly am.

[Ircher]

all lurkers should be afforded that on D1 UNLESS THERE IS NO ONE SCUMMY AT ALL

but in a 19p

lurkers are not a concern on D1

fuck, in a 15p lurkers aren't a concern on D1


ohyay, zach

lurkers are always a concern cuz they are never lynched.

[Ircher]

I still think that Alisae admitted that she had been posting not what she legitimately thought. She says here that she legitimately thinks. That implies to me that her other posts were not what she legitimately thinks. I think that's a scum tell.

"legit" is a grammatical intensifier in this context

it doesn't imply his other thoughts are less legit, it just means he feels really strongly about this one

^

[Ircher]

ohno, he's lurking in a 19p D1 shitfest!!

mustbescummmmm!!!!

this is not when you lynch lurkers

this is when you lynch alisae

tell me why alisae is town, titus, DO IT or they're scum!!!!

no, this is the ideal time to lynch lurkers before they WIFOM everyone at LyLo.

VOTE: No Lynch

VOTE: No Lynch

????????????????????????????? There are plenty of lurkers to choose from, including Slick as you previously pointed out.

or we can lynch alisae

much more likely scum than SD or 80% of the playerlist!

Elaborate.

Alisae is trying. SD isn't. And I've yet to see the full scum motivations in Alisae's posts.

Thing is -- I'm not lynching a lurker.

[Ircher]

Can we not nolynch?

maybe, but I'm leaning towards no.

[Ircher]

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You try very hard to get people to lynch you.

[Ircher]

~Reasons~

[Ircher]

Or we could no lynch.

@Gin -- Asking for elaboration there is a good way to undermine the town's intents & goals.

[Ircher]

Odd numbers.

[Ircher]

drealmer's insanity is what you would gain

Good.

[Ircher]

Whats the Slick case?

[Ircher]

Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

What's your case on this?

I don't really do cases, more so reasons.

- His poor push on Debi
- His reaction test he did earlier which felt pointless and a grab for town cred since he's yet to say what he learned from it
- His vote for Titus was poor as well. Solely voted her because of meta
- His sheeping Titus of a no lynch

1) I already explined this, please pay attention.
2) I did, but not all reaction tests give people a lot to work with, Null perhaps, but not necessarily scummy to be able to come up with anything conclusive from a reaction test.
3) I yield,
4) I yield.

[Ircher]

Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.

Deftown

rb
Creature
Titus

Likely Town

Alisae
HS
Dunnstral

Neutral/Murky

Zach
Ircher
AA
Kyouko
Debi
drealmerz

Scumreads

Uzi
Echo
Pine
Slick

I'm okay w/ this readslist except for the Uzi read. Uzi isn't scum imo.

[Ircher]

Hey look, I think Wraith genuinely townslipped.

?

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

Wasn't the flip red?

[Ircher]

tf there are 9 scum, are there two scumteams of 4 members plus one SK?

[Ircher]

I wonder why drealmerz even plays mafia when he just alternates between angry and bad

Someimes he good though.

[Ircher]

So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.

I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.

P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.

Votecount 1.Final

Alisae (1)

Pine ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (10)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , rb , Wraith , drealmerz7 , EchoVision , texcat LYNCH! ,

drealmerz7 (1)

Debi ,

Ircher (1)

Lil Uzi Vert ,

SlickDilinger (2)

Titus , Creature ,

EchoVision (3)

Dunnstral , Alisae , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

No lynch (1)

Ircher ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.

Alisae isn't Red for this post imo, could still be Blue but I'm leaning more towards town on him. There was also a point when I called some people out for not putting their votes on "useful wagons" when we had 2 large competing wagons and 2 smaller competing wagons between Alisae and Texcat:

Votecount 1.14

Alisae (2)

Wraith , texcat ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (6)

All Alone , Zachstralkita , SlickDilinger , Lil Uzi Vert , drealmerz7 , EchoVision ,

drealmerz7 (7)

rb , Human Sequencer , ssbm_Kyouko , Ircher , Creature , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Debi ,

texcat (2)

Alisae , Dunnstral ,

Not Voting (2)

Titus , Pine ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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All Alone, Zach, HS, Kyouko, rb, Wraith, drealmerz all either SRed Gin or didn't believe his claim I think. That leaves Slick and Echo. Those are my top suspects for Blue mafia based on that reread, if there was a Blue Mafia in Gin's vigpool. I'd rather try to get Red to shoot at them than mislynch a lurker, but I'd go Slick's way today. Not Echo today I don't think. I didn't find anything conclusive in there but I feel like my reads are in a better place now than they were before I went back to read

I may have misunderstood but it seemed to me like HS was saying Wraith if multiball because he thought Gin was scum? Not sure, will see what HS has to say about the multiball flip.

VOTE: Kyouko


See earlier comment. (Unless my memory is bad, this is the second time Kyouko has scum-slipped.)

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

If Wraith is mafia he's probably red, and blue will shoot him tonight, so no need to lynch him right away

More scumslips.

[Ircher]

Gin's claim was crap anyway, I didn't believe he was a vig for 0.01 of a second. If you just TR'd him for some reason then please elucidate on that but anyone who thought the claim itself was a towntell needs to explain

I was more neutral in the conflict.

[Ircher]

laughed at "vig rb"

Maybe swap the days on Echo/Wraith because Wraith might get shot by blue mafia tonight anyways

More scumslipping. And not just a color slip this time.

[Ircher]

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

The intention of my post was to express that I think the Wraith wagon is a bad choice and we should reexamine Gin's wagon and fakeclaim to see if anything stands out as scummy. Ideally we look for a pool of blue mafia suspects today and lynch from in there in hopes that if we miss, red mafia will still shoot at our pool in hopes of hitting blue. We can look for red suspects too to try to direct blue's shots at red but it would be best to try to lynch blue today imo

why are you so worried on killing blue, why don't we just

kill fucking mafia

Add this.

[Ircher]

okay so do I have anyone agreeing with me that bdsm_tokyo and dunn are both maf together?? anybody??

PEdit: okay fuck your meta shit... it means nothing... so what I'm acting different? shit changes boy... other than your role cause you're scum this game too

Kyouko yes. Dunn, I'm unsure.

[Ircher]

Alright lads, I figure this is a good a time as any to mention my own investigate guilty on

Echovision

... let's lynch

Echovision

and laugh at rb

VOTE: Echo
And yes drealmerz it's blue

Just bad.

[Ircher]

okay then that makes today easy

UNVOTE: alisae
VOTE: echovision

Considering it was a fake cop result, this is a really scummy move to make.

[Ircher]

Okay, I noticed the guilty.

VOTE: EchoVision

Keep reading.

[Ircher]

Players suggesting lynching me for saying blue are more likely to be scum imo

I'm not going to qualify "the other" scumteam or the "not red" scumteam every time I want to talk about players that are scum but not on Red Mafia team, it's clunky and inconvenient. There's also a game in the archives that uses red mafia and blue mafia as the factions that I saw when I was looking at the multiball setups.

It's not scummy to scumread faulty assumptions. There's other scummy things you have done that others have pointed out as well.

[Ircher]

@drealm - Dunn was obviously reaction testing based on the movement of his vote soon after calling the guilty on Echo. It was a wasted effort imo, just distracts from actual scumhunting. I can't help but hear town tone from you but I fail to see anything that makes me think you're town beyond that. Could you explain some of your strongest scumreads?

@Slick - what are your 2 strongest reads, scum or town, excluding conftown rb, and what makes you think those players are town/scum?

@Zach - Still waiting on specifically what was inaccurate about my post:

Of your original post, what of my response to it was unwarranted and what of my response to it was incorrect given the context

That's not how this works. You said my original post was inaccurate, but when I pointed out that I didn't see what was inaccurate about it and then explained the intentions behind my post like you asked, you never pointed out what was inaccurate about my post. I felt like your vote was unwarranted.

What about my post was inaccurate?

@Dunn I seriously doubt there's a real vig and even if there were one they could have just as easily ignored Gin's claim and shot him overnight instead of lynching him. I doubt that both Red Mafia and a Vig failed to kill last night, but it's possible that Blue and the Vig both shot at Texcat considering that slot's play yesterday around Gin and rb.

pedit: Gin's claim stunk tbh and I think whether people believed it or not given he flipped town is NAI as long as it's consistent with their reads of Gin before his claim.

But my response to it told you why it was inaccurate

. That's why I told you to read my response because it says literally exactly what was wrong with what you said. And what I said to Creature

You didn't say what was inaccurate about my post in your reply.

I feel like this wagon is ignoring the info Gin's fakeclaim gave us. Working on a wallpost about the votes onto Gin's wagon atm.

He proposed shooting amongst 6 players and 5 of those players ended up voting him, making up half of his lynch wagon. We know texcat was scum and was within Gin's sights. We should be examining the others' reasons for voting Gin to see if we can uncover a blue mafia member there, and looking at how others reacted to tex being a target

You're being short-sighted, deliberately or otherwise.

90% of the people who Gin wanted to shoot were scumreading him before.

The bolded is the closest I can find to you pointed out something being inaccurate in my original post 2992. If you read my 2992 all it says is that 5/6 of the players that Gin put in his vig pool ended up voting him. I never said they voted him because they were in his vigpool, I just said that they ended up voting him. I want to know if this is what you thought was inaccurate about my post, and whether you still consider it inaccurate.

Also, do you have a reason to not comment on SlickDilinger atm? You're voting me, but who's your top scumread and why?

@Ircher - Do you feel the case on SD is lacking? Do you have a counter to propose?

You, Drealm, and Dunn are imo preferable to Slick right now, though the case is indeed there.

[Ircher]

I wouldn't really say I have any "strong scumreads"

Ircher and alisae probably the strongest but not much to say about them

Tell us why.

[Ircher]

Ya know what. I don't think we're going to get content out of slick.
I think I'm just going to end the poor child's misery of trying to catch up.
VOTE: Slick

Was that a hammer?

[Ircher]

if alisae makes it to lylo i will be filled with an incredible sadness
she posts so much transparently scummy shit and everybody just glazes right over it because 'lol lynchbait'
lynchbait=/= town

But, lynchbait != scum as well.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Echo

the guilty was fake.....

[Ircher]

Could someone archive dig? Has there ever been multiballs consisting of 3 mafia factions? Seems unlikely.

not in normals. Maybe 2 scumteams plus SK.

[Ircher]

ircher is scum for the way he does his catchup

town ircher wouldn't do catchup like this!

That isn't even true. This is how I've caught up in my more recent games; take Mini 1862 as a good example. (Nadroj's)