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[Ircher]

Titus you're analysis is cool an all, but there's one problem.

My wagon happened before rb's wagon and I even reached L-1.

And why do you think that is a problem?

P-edit: Drealmerz, telling me my methods are a "waste of time" won't get me to act more like you. Why do you think town are voting you? (I doubt the whole scumteam is sitting on your wagon).

who said anything about acting like me?

I'm talking about playing the game

you're playing some other game that you like because you like numbers and patterns or something

that's not scumhunting

In other words, using logic? Just stop.

[Zachstralkita]

leave d realmerz alone!

[Ircher]

plus, it's D1 gone on too long

plus, I'm being wagoned for shit-reasons

plus, lots of bad play

now you're flailing.

[drealmerz7]

now you're flailing.

noop

but you're obsessed with me!!!

[Ircher]

I've not played a lot with creature but I've never seen him be so scummy and yet everyone is like "yay creature!!"

Imean, I like the dude from what I can tell, seems like a nice smart cheery fella, but, it's mafia, he draws scum, and he's playing scummy

killll himmmmmm

Scummy != scum.

Stop looking just at the exterior.

[drealmerz7]

I'm not

like I said

I read personality and behavior more than anything

[Ircher]

You're absolutely wrong. The words are charisma. Barring cop clears/results, the root is who values whom and why. Town functions when we get the best out everyone. The votes serve as a gun to the head, who values whom more and why.

well I think you're wrong - words aren't just charisma, holyfuck - that is you taking ALL WORDS and labeling them as 1 word that you don't value so that you can throw it all away - what the fuck?!

so what does alisae's vote pattern tell you?

Clarify what you mean here.

[Ircher]

Hope it's not "lurking" when we've got people flooding the thread to a level I could never hope to achieve

you kinda are, but I'm ignoring it right now.

[Ircher]

I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.

I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.

Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.

VOTE: Gin

SELF-HAMMERING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY

SELF-VOTING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY

FAKECLAIM DETECTED, EVERYONE GET YOUR VOTES ON GIN

Too add to this -- He ignored me when I requested his breadcrumb.
UNVOTE: Titus

[Ircher]

I think it will become rather apparent whether his claim is true or not over the night.

This is wrong on so many levels.
1. Vig can chose not to shoot.
2. No kill gambit.
3. Someone prevents a kill from happening either by doc or rb

1 just doesn't happen in practice.
2 prob. won't happen.

3 is indeed a possibility and you forgot 4) Multiball

[Ircher]

Alright then, I forgot my vote was on Gin so I'll gladly swap off now.
VOTE: Texcat
I want to lynch this unless Gin plans on shooting this.

Also we leashing Gin or naaah.

No, the vig if Gin is a vig should choose his own target.

[Ircher]

or we can lynch alisae

much more likely scum than SD or 80% of the playerlist!

Elaborate.

Alisae is trying. SD isn't. And I've yet to see the full scum motivations in Alisae's posts.

[Ircher]

So, out of All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi or Texcat please tell me who'd you like me to shoot and who you think the shot would be most wasted on.

I'll take the best case I find and we'll work from there day 2 given the flips we get.

P.S. You won't convince me to shoot outside this pool of players.

None of them; make your own decision.

I could care less if you decide to shoot me tbh.

[Ircher]

Titus which lynch would give you the most information?
If mine vote me, I like getting lynched if it gives a ton of information and as long as Texcat dies over night.

I don't lynch for information.

I use information as a starting point. SD also provides lots of info by flipping him.

Texcat gives me next to no info.

How?

[Ircher]

I see a future VCA hunter in you, however VCA isn't useful until there have been a lot of flips and you can start to color code them to find patterns.

You should meet JaeReed.
Last time I checked his VCA's were pretty on point.

Yeah Jae is pretty good, but VCA is still shit. It might actually be useful in this case though with the way is mod is doing the vote counts since it helps with actually bringing context into the picture.

I voted, and why I encourage a vote towards AA is for the following reasons:

He has 16 posts in total in which, we can break down fairly simple.
Starting off, the first 5 posts were naked votes and the 6th vote was a fake "town frustration" reaction by saying on D1 he doesn't know where to put his vote, thus frustrated does not make sense on D1 and this isn't his first game either.

In his post 1001, AA goes on to say my read on Alisae as town was the only with depth to it. "This is Gin's only townread with any depth to it" (Post 1001, All Alone). Therefore, All Alone has stated that I have reasoning to town read Alisae.

Then in post 1027, AA goes on to say I never explained why I town read Alisae. This is a direct contradiction to his earlier push and shows that All Alone has changed his narrative to fit his push; some of which involves misrepresenting to get it through.

As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.

There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.

That ladies and gentlemen is a case worth voting for.

This is a better presentation of your case but I still don't think AA was maliciously misrepresenting you. I just think the definition of depth is the problem and it wasn't really clarified. You do have a point about him just tunneling you all game. I'm not sure what's that about or what to make of it but it might just be his style of play. He might be the confident type in the sense that when he suspects someone is scum, he doesn't think he can be wrong and just blocks out everything until said person is lynched.

Speaking of VCs --

Dreal

: I request you make and publish a VC history for the first 50 pages.

[Alisae]

I think it will become rather apparent whether his claim is true or not over the night.

This is wrong on so many levels.
1. Vig can chose not to shoot.
2. No kill gambit.
3. Someone prevents a kill from happening either by doc or rb

1 just doesn't happen in practice.
2 prob. won't happen.

3 is indeed a possibility and

you forgot 4) Multiball

Huh?

[Ircher]

If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

Scumclaim?

How is that a scumclaim?

[Alisae]

If Gin is real, he should shoot whoever he feels like without influence from others.

Scumclaim?

How is that a scumclaim?

if you read on basicly I don't have a real grasp of vig meta and I thought it was a scumclaim since scum may want Gin to shoot freely instead of be leashed unless they are the ones leashing them?

[Ircher]

that's not sensible policy lynch on D1

sensible PL on D1 is alisae

lurker vs. non lurker on D1 - nonlurker always

you got that backwards -- lurker vs nonlurker - lurker always.

And can we stop trying to PL Alisae? If you have a scumcase, great, I'd like to hear it, but let's lynch on the basis of scum, not policy.

[drealmerz7]

that's not sensible policy lynch on D1

sensible PL on D1 is alisae

lurker vs. non lurker on D1 - nonlurker always

you got that backwards -- lurker vs nonlurker - lurker always.

no, not on D1
wtf

and the policy is : lynch scum

[Ircher]

pine's right actually

just because you've decreased the amount of shitposting from 90% to 30%, doesn't mean it's gone by any means

Take what you get and don't pitch a fit.

[Ircher]

So we got Wraith, Texcat, Pine, and Drealmerz on my wagon again.
Good shit, soon someone will just be able to lynch from on my wagon

^Example of shitposting.

Shitposting is defined (at least by me) as vanity posting that has little or no positive impact on the game, done in absurd quantity.

The assertion that everyone on your wagon is either pitifully naive, unbelievably arrogant, or more likely just incredibly dumb. It's completely implausible, and vigorously unproductive.

This is why I'd like to PL you.

PEdit: As she says, Titus, I've been scumreading her all game. I'll take a strong SR of my own, seasoned with shitposting and baked in PL, over a weak secondhand read. I'll hear you out though. Make or link to a case on SD, please.

And make your scum!Alisae case.

[drealmerz7]

Take what you get and don't pitch a fit.

dunbeenpitched

[Ircher]

ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

STOP with these generalizations

everyone else, STOP LISTENING to these generalizations

they arent generalization when:

1) They are very specific yet broad enough to not be too specific
2) They are backable by facts
3) They concern specific players

So these are not very specific, they cite activity as AI when it's not. The facts of the matter are that sometimes some players are more busy than other players and by comparison are less active. I don't know what experience creature has with Titus but I know he has only 1 game with me and I don't post any less as scum than I do as town, I post when I have time and things to say as both alignments.

that VCA is a waste of time and energy

SCUMHUNT, please, titus

VCA is how some players scumhunt, deal with it

I didn't realize I didn't have a vote up, still love my case on him and I would love to talk about it.

VOTE: All Alone

That's a weird way to voice that you think someone's scum. Instead of calling them scum you say you love your case on them and would love to talk about it, repeating love looks like a subconscious way to make yourself look more benign imo

Fyi, I retract my above statement.

[Ircher]

We're at 100 pages. Vote SD or explain why he's town. Enough petty vendetta posting.

it works better if you push the case on why he's scum, you realize?

Oh wait....

He already did!