Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Lol. Bullshit claim.

Sorry, bulletproof investigative, that's what I am. Take it up with Skull if you don't like it.

[PeregrineV]

And, I'll be here for a few hours, live.

Also, not hammering myself, so there it that too.

[PeregrineV]

Fine. ONE MORE.
You avoided voting before to stop people from sheeping you at all via votes. Yes?
What's different here? The potential for people to sheep is still the same as before.

Because PV has to be an SK FMPOV.

Can you link to all the games where you were right? Since this won't be one of them, but I would like to see your pedigree listed once again.

Gistou. Named almost all the other scumteam in multiball for one. Look at scum chat.

I do. I think PV is scum and is the SK. If he was truly a BP investigative he would have cleared me up a long as time ago. Hell when creature claimed BP he would check then. The claim is shit.

Sometimes I am right and some times I am wrong. However gambler's fallacy gets you nowhere. What matters is if I am right here.

http://comma.guide/vocative-comma/

[PeregrineV]

The bulletproof investigative thing was sarcasm from him.

Then he needs to claim.

9722

I'm Lesser Dog

A happy looking collie thing with a sword and shield

[PeregrineV]

Unfortunately I don't have a compelling argument for him being town that I feel you'd listen to because it's essentially "tone". He's not trying to appease or anything here that I can see.

Peregrine V claimed dog census I think? He can check how many dogs were on a wagon? I'm not sure what the use of that even is, to be honest.

Yeah. It allowed me to determine Not Chara was also a dog by day6, so usefulness is somewhere between zero and little.

[PeregrineV]

Do you think Almost50 is scum PV?

I honestly don't know. I've misread and read him correctly both ways, so that's a wash.

I feel like he is not as effective in scumhunting this game, but have no feels otherwise.

[PeregrineV]

Considering he's voting him I'd say so.

If everybody is cleared and Almost50 is the lone scum, then game is over.

Otherwise, scum are faking and fake clearing.

If it takes one of me or Almost to die for someone to look at that possibility, then I pick him over me.

[PeregrineV]

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

This is supposedly two dog wagon.

Why is Not Chara the only dog on it?

ALmost50 replaced Gamma Emerald

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: The VC in question

Day 1, Final Vote Count:

(2)

zakk -- MagnaofIllusion, massive

(0)

SirCakez

(0)

Yume

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Creature

(0)

PeregrineV

(1)

Titus -- SnarkySnowman

(1)

Shiro -- Titus

(12)

MagnaofIllusion -- zakk, Nahdia, Not Chara, Narna, Firebringer, Maxous, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Nosferatu, SirCakez, Leonshade, Shiro

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

Nahdia -- Yume

(0)

Firebringer

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

SlySly

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(3)

Narna -- McMenno, Andrius, Ankamius

(0)

Gamma Emerald

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

SlySly, PeregrineV

With 22 votes available, it took 12 votes to hammer.

This was definitely a 2 dog lynch wagon.

Explain

In case I died before I ever claimed, my results would be out there.

[PeregrineV]

A Gio townflip would clear who again?

[PeregrineV]

I'll take a crack at making one soon.

He had 3 results, plus 3 results.

[PeregrineV]

I'm finding scumhunting almost impossible because there's no real information available about how the game actually works. Logically speaking, in a 22 player game, today should be lylo or beyond lylo, but we have so many "confirmed townies" that it doesn't feel like it.

Now you know how I feel. Welceme to Undertale mafia!!!

[PeregrineV]

Welcome to Undertale where I am crazy but I think cult turned scum so we have to throw out everything preN4. Asking hood buddies to make sure not insane.

PV you up for a useless dog censor check tonight?

I am thinking Nahdia Roleblocks you to prove they can.

I do nothing, I get the results as soon as the lynch occurs.

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV has been prodded.

Received. Will stop by later tonight to catch up.

[PeregrineV]

Anyone have a brief recap on how we went from "everyone confirmed town except PeregerinV and Almost50" to lynching Cakez?

Just want to see some other perspectives on it while I read a bunch of pages.

[PeregrineV]

This means nothing, really, since I don't know the flaver. If my role is anything other than a McGuffin role, then Almost50 has to be dog scum.
Otherwise, he's town.

Is this flavour related? Cuz I didn't get a word of it!

Nope. Just speculating.

[PeregrineV]

PV, would you be willing to unvote A50?

Sure.

Unvote: Almost50

[PeregrineV]

I am going to rip apart which scum fucking vote me in my last will and you all better follow it because quite frankly everyone is getting lead around like a puppy dog on a leash to a player that the majority scumreads.

Bring it on lynch your town BP. Do it. I DARE you.

If you had been made the bodyguard while being BP, that may have been more useful.

[PeregrineV]

CFJ's argument makes the most sense to me so far.

Can hammer SirCake by the end of the business day (about 4ish hours) or can wait.

Let me know.

[PeregrineV]

Anyone have a brief recap on how we went from "everyone confirmed town except PeregerinV and Almost50" to lynching Cakez?

Just want to see some other perspectives on it while I read a bunch of pages.

I was the main person pushing to stop the Almost50 wagon. The problem with it is a) very few people actually scumread Almost50 (and MathBlade, one of the main people behind pushing the lynch, seemed to think it was on town but wanted it to happen anyway?), and b) it was growing in what was (at least from my point of view) a really dubious way (i.e. a way that indicated that it would likely lead to a mislynch). I also proposed a MathBlade+SirCakez+Gio scumteam; I'm not certain about that, but it's currently still my best theory as to who's scum. Quite a few people have scumreads on SirCakez (either just generally, or on the way he's responded to recent events), so he's accumulated a lot of votes (and they're votes to lynch, too, rather than intended as pressure votes; many people on the wagon, including me, would not be upset at a hammer, although ideally we'd avoid having yet more quickhammers).

The other main thing that's been happening from my perspective is people (especially those on the SirCakez wagon) getting generally fed up with MathBlade (on the basis that they seem to be proposing complicated plans which have very little benefit – it basically starts with the assumption that certain players are town, and then ends up proving they're telling the truth about each others' roles, which is not really useful – and often include things like intentionally lynching townies). MathBlade's been confirmed by Gio in a way that seems hard to interfere with, but multiple players (including me) have stated that they'd be voting there otherwise.

I should note that my perspective is probably somewhat biased; the town's fallen into two main camps at the moment, which can loosely be described as the people who want to lynch SirCakez and the people who want to lynch someone else (these people have not yet agreed on a counterwagon, as far as I can tell). I'm pretty heavily in the first camp here, but would definitely be willing to hear counterarguments because I know that I have a tendency to tunnel.

In terms of confirmations, the issue with them is that everyone has some sort of confirmation (either they demonstrated their role, or their role or alignment was vouched for by another player) of their role apart from MathBlade and A50, and most people have confirmation of their alignments too. (One of the main reasons why Almost50 and SirCakez have been the players who received the wagons was that neither of them have any sort of alignment confirmation; SirCakez is known to be an Inventor but that's not a role that's inherently limited to townies, especially if there's a cult involved.) As such, there's more of a general willingness to lynch confirmed players than usual, in the belief that some of the confirmations have to be either inaccurate or misleading for one reason or another.

This helps and matches what I've read.

Hammer now or wait?

[PeregrineV]

I think it's worth giving people on the wagon some time to react. If nothing else, it gains us more information (because you get to see the reasons people have for unvoting). You might also want to hear the other side of the story, too, rather than just listening to me.

(We've also had a bad record this game about hammering without fully thinking it through. I expect you'll see a big rant from MathBlade when they get online.)

Mathblade has over 1,200+ posts. If he hasn't been able to present his side of the story in that amount of time, I don't see it forthcoming anytime soon.

But, I'll wait.

[PeregrineV]

Scum have control of this game and are plotting my mislynch next. I can't prove it but lynch chaining is generally horrible and making plans to prove Town = good. It is like mafia 101. Catch scum make plan to prove it or disprove it. You don't just read from your ass. That is literally taking dice and hoping it lands on scum. Your dice suck. Hammer while I am away so I do not have to deal with this bullshit when I get back.

Except in TTYLL that just finished, scum were bending over backwards to bus White Queens, but we managed to mislynch texcat.

That was Mafia 201- How to Screw the Pooch.

[PeregrineV]

I followed Mathblade yesterday and I can verify that they performed an investigative action.

I can't find where Mathblade says the result of his investigation, nor what type of investigation it was.

[PeregrineV]

I followed Mathblade yesterday and I can verify that they performed an investigative action.

I can't find where Mathblade says the result of his investigation, nor what type of investigation it was.

Neapolitan one shot (granted by Cakes) and checked JaeReed. Returned Vanilla Townie.

Is he the token vanilla player in the game? And did he confirm VT? I thought he said he could do something...

[PeregrineV]

They* have been claiming VT all game, since they got in.

Andrius softing being able to do stuff which he later pretty much confirmed was all wifom.

You seem to be the only one not on board with Call's theory on Math-Cake-Gio scumteam.

What part of his argument do you disagree with?

[PeregrineV]

Kinda feel like PV can't be group scum at the very least considering how utterly clueless he is as to basic facts of the gamestate we've had established for awhile.

I don't feel "clueless", just seems that searching 400 pages for info makes it easier to ask first.

[PeregrineV]

Ok well I didn't mean to imply you're running around like a chicken with its head cut off, I just meant if you were group scum you'd probably have this information on hand.

To answer your earlier question; I don't think Math is scum at all ever.

Is Cake scum sending stuff to Math?

[PeregrineV]

I will provide the hammer today in about 5ish hours.

[PeregrineV]

3ish now....

[PeregrineV]

Vote: SirCakez

[PeregrineV]

Looking at this today.

[PeregrineV]

I think that Jae surviving gives more legitimacy to Nahdia's JK claim.

Agreed. I saw Nahdia visit JaeReed and JaeReed didn't die.

When did this happen?

[PeregrineV]

Eight ergo Nahdia JaeReed and I are Town block.

Ergo is way more town than you right now....

[PeregrineV]

But why would a Nahdia red flip make me scum too? I'm not following that in the slightest.

Why is it not plausible to you that the killings are coming from the followers and Maxous had the kill prior as an SK/Cult Creator upon death type role, which got passed down to his faction?

I don't like that you're SK hunting over scum hunting. I believe the killings are coming from the scum faction, which we now have evidence actually exists and that their roles are irrelevant.

Oh and also Nahdia visited you. If she was a roleblocker it was a waste of a check. Like if Nahdia was scum it's quite possibly the worst move Nahdia could have done.

I'm killer hunting. I have to eliminate all non town. They are all of equal importance to me.

When did this happen?

[PeregrineV]

In other words. Maxous might have a PT with his followers.

If he does it becomes fundamentally irrelevant to my wincon.

So scum, in addition to their roles and PR's, could be still accessing the advice of the 3p player/leader to elevate the power of the scum team, while I can detect dogs on the lynch wagon?

I'm skeptical.

[PeregrineV]

math i really dont want an ank lynch sorry. i still feel they've been legit even through today.

Is there a reason you did not Jailkeep CFJ to avoid his, like, death?

[PeregrineV]

math i really dont want an ank lynch sorry. i still feel they've been legit even through today.

Is there a reason you did not Jailkeep CFJ to avoid his, like, death?

I don't like you either. This reeks of knowledge of the hood I just can't prove it.

Who was the towniest person in the game yesterday? Aside from yourself of course?

[PeregrineV]

18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?

[PeregrineV]

18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?

And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.

[PeregrineV]

18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?

And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.

And this leads me to the question of why

@Mathblade,

you followed Nahdia when she couldn't be the killer anyway.

[PeregrineV]

Clears have a precedent for being unreliable

She flipped, and her role flipped. Any reason to think Narna was lying?

[PeregrineV]

Unconfirmed clears ARE unreliable, such as the weak follower and Mathblade.

[PeregrineV]

Confirmed how?

[PeregrineV]

They aren't. That's my point.

I mean, by what logic can Narna's results be questioned so as to not be considered "confirmed"?

[PeregrineV]

18 Narna - psychiatrist. claims a clear on Nahdia and Massive. Notably claimed a guilty on town-Shiro

Why would Nahdia be scum when the flipped town psychcoloigst says they is not?

And this is to anybody trying to push the slot as scum, or even voting them.

And this leads me to the question of why

@Mathblade,

you followed Nahdia when she couldn't be the killer anyway.

The reason Nahdia can't be the killer is because of last night's results. I followed them because no proof any Jailkeep was successful.

You think your claim to anything means more than the flipped town Psychologist?

[PeregrineV]

They aren't. That's my point.

I mean, by what logic can Narna's results be questioned so as to not be considered "confirmed"?

Because not being able to kill doesn't mean not scum. I even posted a role PM from a past Skullduggery game where a scum member had no ability to kill until conditions were met.

Nighttime Abilities: During the night phase, you may investigate any living player in the game to learn whether or not that player is/was capable of killing another player.

So even Narna's was a troll role (like mine) because Skull purposefully left of the phrase "is/was/

may ever be

capable of killing another player."?

[PeregrineV]

Does anyone have a good reason to look beyond either of these two?

Giovanni il Pellegrino*
MathBlade

[PeregrineV]

So, can you actually explain this in more detail? Have I missed something, or this was something you haven't accounted for in detail?

Um.. I believe a GF CAN be tracked. They just do not show as Scum to Cops, but they're not to be confused with Ninja (although a variation of the role does exist, but I have never seen it actually being used).

So, if you're proposing a GF status the you WOULD get a Tracker/Follower result on your target.

However, there's a lot of the mechanics of this game that are being obscured (and probably for a good reason, as is the case in every Skull modded game). Take Maxous for instance, did his flip mention "Ascetic"? I don't think it did. We're just guessing he was.

My fear is we've been relying too much on mechanics and speculation that we are not actually scum hunting based on content. SirCakez floated for too long based on his claimed role, which WAS his true role. It wasn't TOWN aligned though.

Furthermore, Nahdia confirming Math, and Math confirming Nahdia means absolutely nothing to me, as I'm proposing they're BOTH scum together. I want to lynch Math today and Nahdia tomorrow. Now if the game doesn't end by then we can assume Ank is an SK (the one Math has been hunting down for long because, you know.. scum will always fear the SK messing things for them) and we can lynch him then, but ONLY then. Right now probably wants a red flip just as much as we do (and that is IF he is a Serial Killer to begin with).

The role of Godfather exists to return false positives to cops.
The modifier of weak means "target scum and you die".
Does a weak role targeting a Godfather die?
If it's weak, yes, because the godfather is STILL mafia. Not Town, mafia.
That being said

,

Giov

,

it isn't a quesiton of "are your results suspect", it is "You are suspect."

[PeregrineV]

You never actually addressed why Giovanni's clears should be trusted.

You never addressed why they can't other than "Godfather"

Proof is in your court and every single clear so far has turned true.

Gio could be lying scum.

True or false, Math?

[PeregrineV]

Yeah....

Vote: Giovanni il Pellegrino

[PeregrineV]

You and PV just vote Gio out of the blue? :/

It's not really out of the blue, though, is it?

CFJ prevented the Almost50/PeregrineV lynch dichotomy yesterday.

he proposed Cake/Math/Gio scumteam.

I'm down with lynching Cake- and he dead.
I want to lynch Gio, since this is the third time he crumbed or left nothing while supposedly being a "weak" role, even after I chewed him out for it. I strongly suspect he is lying.
If the Gio wagon doesn't do it, then good with Mathblade lynch.

[PeregrineV]

@PV - Ank is proposing that I am a godfather variant that also returns Town to weak players when I am not Town.
I don't think Gio is lying. Much like Cakez I suspect roles won't change. Gio has been a player very rarely active much like you and he did crumb IMHO. But that is my opinion.

However on the off chance he is not Town he is still truth telling as I am Town.

Weak Gio targeted Maxous, and yet lives. If Ank wants to speculate that you are scum with Gio being town, he's welcome to do so, but I would suspect some for of redirector role before I think you are a GF. Your more likely BP scum.

Interesting how I have 2.5 times the number of posts Gio has, but am "very rarely active".

[PeregrineV]

I said you both are. Stop twisting my words.

Weak Gio targeted Maxous who is a claimed ascetic. That means the target never happened because ascetic.

Wikiquote-

Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills.

More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

Gio targets Maxous causing Maxous to target Gio with a roleblock.
Gio being roleblocked means he gets no result.
Gio still targeted Maxous, so still should be dead.

[PeregrineV]

The role of Godfather exists to return false positives to cops.
The modifier of weak means "target scum and you die".
Does a weak role targeting a Godfather die?
If it's weak, yes, because the godfather is STILL mafia. Not Town, mafia.

I guess you answered it yourself later on. Gio did visit Maxous who was .. erm.. "a menace to Town" (to avoid the dichotomy of 3P vs Scum terminology). Gio didn't die. This means either this is not a standard weal role, or that Gio is lying. Either way it makes Mathblade more likely scum than not. If Gio is lying then he is covering for his scum p. If he has a tweaked role then his role doesn't die to "???" where "???" is unknown at this point, but it sure isn't beyond Skull who is well known to use non-standard and even tailored versions of roles.

Scum claiming cop you lynch the cop not all of his results.

[PeregrineV]

Instead of scumhunting you and Ank make up a theory out of thin air.

First it is that I am a variant Godfather.
Then it is a redirector despite every single one of Narna's checks being right but Town derp.
Despite having a way to instantly kill Gio when he would have followed me but instead a redirector...

Please. That is bullshit.

Just stop. You are inventing ways to lynch me because you don't like me versus actually hunting. It is sad.

Actually, I'm not inventing anything.
It's almost PoE, but evidence strongly points to you and Giio.

Giovanni il Pellegrino*- weak follower with weak results
MathBlade- Favored target of the scum inventor, "cleared" by the weak follower who only cleared you after living another night by never actually following scum

Yoshi- saved night5
PeregrineV- found the three dogs in the game, but I have access to his role PM
Nahdia- Can't kill, so hard to be scum
Ankamius- Gains vigs by hammering, but decides not to always hammer, cause scum hate free kills
Almost50- claimed something- but Cake spent most of the day6 on him, so figured he was designated mislynch of the day. Either way, Cake wanted him dead enough that I want him alive now.
JaeReed- VT or something, maybe Narna confirmed?

[PeregrineV]

A) That isn't how ascetic works
B) If it was how you thought it worked you would have brought it up much earlier.

Ascetics are not a roleblocker they are untargetable.

A) Except the wiki states exactly how it works. I copied the words from the wiki.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

B) I wanted to see exactly how it worked, so I used the wiki.

I took the term reflexive roleblocker to mean reflexively roleblocking the person targeting them.

[PeregrineV]

Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills. More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

Reflexively roleblocks meaning untargetable. The action never takes place.

Actually, a commuter would be untargetable, as per the wiki. An ascetic relfixely roleblocks, as per the wiki.

Quote-

The Commuter is a role that "leaves Town" each Night, thus making them ineligible to be targeted by Night actions

[PeregrineV]

A roleblock even if you argue it as such means Gio never visits Maxous meaning no result meaning Gio can still be weak still target Maxous get no result and still be alive.

Furthermore you cannot argue Gio Cakez scum because then nothing would happen N5.

God you make me sick with how much bullshit you spew.

Gio cannot be reflexively roleblocked UNLESS he targets Maxous.

Quote-

A Reflexive role has a Power that is not actively used, but instead passively triggers upon some condition (usually the condition is being targeted at Night).

[PeregrineV]

When roleblocked a person goes no where and does nothing. That is the entire point! If Gio was targeting Maxous then he is roleblocked and goes nowhere and does nothing. The roleblock supercedes the follow in that case.

The roleblock-ness on GIO is TRIGGERED (as in, does not happen unless) by the targeting of Gio on Max.

[PeregrineV]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

More precisely

, Ascetic

reflexively Roleblocks

all actions taken against them except kills.

[PeregrineV]

Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.

Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?

[PeregrineV]

So for your point to have any merit at all Gio would have to be with Maxous before confirming Narna otherwise he was Town at that point and only would be converted post N5 but that possibility is eliminated as well.

I don't get what you are trying to say here. Gio could be scum follower that got no result on Max. Or another of his scummates got the result. Point is, NOTHING confirms him, nor does he confirm anything.

[PeregrineV]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill.

A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

Commuter is optional and also works on kills.
Ascetic is rolemodifier not optional and doesn't work on kills. Untargetable is in the goddamn wiki.

We are not talking about optional or not.
Ascetic could be a role, or a modifier.
The ascetic can be killed because he can be targeted, and the killer is not reflexively roleblocked. Other targeters are, in fact, roleblocked by the reflexes of the ascetic.

I quoted the difference between ineligible to be targeted, and reflexively roleblock.

Why are you pretending you don't understand it?

[PeregrineV]

What do you know Gio received a no result because he didn't target Maxous. Shocking. And because no target weak doesn't trigger.

As asked in a previous episode of "What the Fuck is Mathblade Thinking?", why is Giovanni town and not fakeclaiming scum?

[PeregrineV]

This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. An Ascetic role cannot be targeted by anything other than a kill. A role attempting to target an Ascetic should be seen doing so by Trackers and Motion Detectors. Investigative roles (Cops, Role Cops, Watchers, etc) should receive "no result" if attempting to investigate an Ascetic role.

Untargetable meaning Gio doesn't die

More precisely

, Ascetic

reflexively Roleblocks

all actions taken against them except kills.

Read the normal modifier section.

Gio can't fucking target Maxous and therefore weak would not trigger.

Is this a normal game?

Spoiler: Hint

No.

Welcome to Theme Park.

Gio can't be blocked unless he targets.

[PeregrineV]

Weak is a role modifier that causes the player to die if targeting a mafia-aligned or otherwise anti-Town player. While this seems like an obvious drawback, this inherently makes all Weak roles investigative abilities with power akin to Cops - if a Weak role survives targeting a player, that player is confirmed Town.

Weak has to target.

Per wiki ascetic is not targetable with anything other than a kill.

Ergo Gio receiving no result on Maxous pretty much damn well confirms Maxous was ascetic.

More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

[PeregrineV]

Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.

Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?

Because Gio visiting Maxous and confirming Narna means he cannot have been aligned with Maxous at that time. He would have to be something unaligned with Maxous have the divine foresight to know Maxous was ascetic without being able to have anything to investigate said ascetic player.

Really? All he needs is for some scumbuddy of his action to fail. Then Max claimed by day5 anyway.

Gio is town I am town.

Yeah, except you have no other scumreads or reasons why anyone else can be scum, and have nothing to say about Gio lying about you.

You could claim Masons with Gio, then we'd have to look at everything again....

[PeregrineV]

So the only way Gio is scum with Maxous is if it happened during the N5 bullshit but if it happened during the N5 bullshit he would still be weak which means I am still Town!

If he were scum faking it, then you could be town.

Is he scum faking it?

[PeregrineV]

The specific reason I doubt Giovanni is a town follower is because Giovanni would have been able to confirm the type of action Maxous took along with Narna. Combining that with Giovanni's opportunistic vote on Narna when they already had the innocent means something was up. Town PRs never vote their innocents.

So, if I am scum along with Maxous, why didn't I fake confirm the type of action he did? It is not hard to not say anything or, since Maxous had already said who he targeted when I said that something was up when I received his result, to confirm his type of action?

Narna's vote was not opportunistic, although it may seemed like it. It was just me saying "lay down the pitcforks and enough with the bullshit".

I am saying your vote is opportunistic.

Yes. Two town roleblocks in a game of this size yet no one hardly ever claimed it. Hell if you actually saw him perform a roleblocker action I would have expected you to scumread Nahdia hard.

I don't get it.

You are saying that I am scum with Maxous.

1) If I am a scum follower, why would I target my scumbuddy in the first place? Why would I claim my role? Why would I say that I saw my scumbuddy perform an interfering (that is how is called) action?

2) Since I was Townread and my weak claim was generally believed (and Maxous was further Townread because of it), why come out, after Maxous said who targeted during Day 2, and say that my action targetting him seems to have failed somehow?

-------

Regarding the vote, I will explain it one more time.

Narna has basically become synonymous with the Antichrist before you three replaced. Every Day Phase since Day 2 started with Narna and was about Narna. All logic was paused in order to lynch Narna. All meaningful discussion was paused because of Narna's existence in the game. Leonshade was lynched because of Narna. The game would not move on unless some people replaced (which didn't seem the case) or the boogeyman was out of the way. I was tired of the same mantra being repeated every single day.

1) The premise is bad. If you are scum the entire thing is poisonous and you are not required to have actually targeted your buddy or have told the truth about any of it. I think the claim is engineered to give Maxous a bit of legitimacy.

Has no one seriously questioned why no roleblock claims have come up with two claimed blockers in a huge game like this?

2) Because either A) Maxous is ascetic or B) again you are lying to give Maxous Credibility. Weak is a rare fake claim most people don't question that and it lets you "confirm" your buddy.

....Option A people. It was confirmed later and doubly so when Nahdia tried roleblocking Maxous.

SirCakez was converted overnight on N5 other way on D4 there is no reason SirCakez claims blocked which is what caught Maxous in an unreedemable lie.

I do not buy into the theory "There was no scumteam until Maxous died."

[PeregrineV]

Otherwise SirCakez stays silent and then we have "proof" Nahdia's Jailkeep works.

So the only way Gio is scum is if he was converted on N5. Not before which means Maxous was ascetic.

I don't care if her jailkeep works.

I care she can't kill. Making her not scum.

[PeregrineV]

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

ALL CHECKS

return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS

This fits with the question I answered.

[PeregrineV]

EBWOP

Shiro: Describe how your miller role works ASAP, please.

All checks on me return as if I was scum aligned

ALL CHECKS

return as mafia-aligned.

ALL
CHECKS

This fits with the question I

asked

.

[PeregrineV]

No it takes more than that.

SirCakez is a Gaster follower.
Either he was converted preMaxous or post Maxous. Since they have a different color rolePM it has to be post Maxous. Furthermore no way SirCakez as the same alignment as Maxous exposes Maxous as a liar.

That could be the name of the scumteam, it's flavor and says nothing about Gaster being a player or whatever.

You might argue Max knew the scumteam, and wins if he lives or they win, but in that case you knew since the beginning.

[PeregrineV]

That only sets up Maxous to be lynched.

Purple is not red. This means SirCakez and Maxous were not on the same alignment!

Max is 3p with an unknown wincon. My guess, since he was vague about it, was that he wins if all scum are dead, or if scum win. That would make the most sense.

Argue if he knew the scumteam as part of his role.

[PeregrineV]

UNVOTE: Mathblade

I want hammer.

Yay and Ank only hammers town again.

God damn you all.

If Gio is scum converted N5 is the only way.

Nahdia is confirmed not killer.
JaeReed is confirmed VT.

VT or not a PR?

[PeregrineV]

you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.

I thought we did, but if someone is trying to base EVERY SINGLE POST AND CONCLUSION on what they THINK is right, I gets arguey.

[PeregrineV]

Explain how Nahdia's block of N4 on Maxous fails if Maxous is not ascetic.

She was probably rolebloecked when she targeted Max. His ability does that to those who target him.

If we all agree amaxous was an ascetic roleblocker Gio lives. We just have to wait for the bolder question to come back.

You never answered the question about why Gio cannot be fakeclaiming.

[PeregrineV]

they're "confirmed" VT via a neapolitan.

See, that matches exactly what the wiki says. I feel elation.

[PeregrineV]

you're all arguing things that, with the assortment of facts we have, could potentially be wrong or right, but we can't know. but you're acting like we can know. agree to disagree and move on please.

I will not agree to scum making up literal bullshit in order to mislynch me.

Maxous was an ascetic. SirCakez was only converted N5 and JaeReed is a VT and Nahdia is a confirmed not killer.

These are facts.

Why are you trusting scum?

I am not.

I am saying that there is no way SirCakez would leave Maxous out to dry if he knew Maxous was scum.

Therefore the only possibility is SirCakez and he were of differing alignments D4.

It's confirmed they are not the same alignment.

[PeregrineV]

lol..back later.

[PeregrineV]

Therefore weak wouldn't trigger

So you have continued to maintain, while ignoring other opinions and not answering any questions about Giovanni.

In a democracy, you would be considered wrong.

For this game purposes, you believe your interpretation, and everyone else can believe you, or believe what they read.

Either way, you haven;t answered the question, so now an additional question-

Why are you avoiding the question?

[PeregrineV]

What question am I avoiding?

You never actually addressed why Giovanni's clears should be trusted.

You never addressed why they can't other than "Godfather"

Proof is in your court and every single clear so far has turned true.

Gio could be lying scum.

True or false, Math?

Read the next paragraph. It means Gio never targeted Maxous if he is a weak follower and is telling the truth.

Furthermore Gio also confirmed Narna and Narna flipped Town. In multiball what scum makes that risk? Please do explain.

Why would you think it's multiball? The 2 kills a night every night except 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7?

Why do you think scum-Gio is incapable of fakeclaiming the weak modifier?

What do you know Gio received a no result because he didn't target Maxous. Shocking. And because no target weak doesn't trigger.

As asked in a previous episode of "What the Fuck is Mathblade Thinking?", why is Giovanni town and not fakeclaiming scum?

So the only way Gio is scum with Maxous is if it happened during the N5 bullshit but if it happened during the N5 bullshit he would still be weak which means I am still Town!

If he were scum faking it, then you could be town.

Is he scum faking it?

Explain how Nahdia's block of N4 on Maxous fails if Maxous is not ascetic.

She was probably rolebloecked when she targeted Max. His ability does that to those who target him.

If we all agree amaxous was an ascetic roleblocker Gio lives. We just have to wait for the bolder question to come back.

You never answered the question about why Gio cannot be fakeclaiming.

[PeregrineV]

Monday checkin back later

[PeregrineV]

Crumb the fact that I would follow the only player left capable of giving me a solid result? No, I didn't. Since Ankamius didn't get a shot, I thought it would be self-explanatory.

Oh, and thank you!
I'm legal to drive now! XD

Oh, you yankies and your driving laws. Here, the minimum age is 18... legally...

Actually, your death along with the crumb that has never been is what we are looking for way more than who you followed and where they went.

What made you think Nahdia might be scum performing the kill and not the Jailkeeper she claimed?

[PeregrineV]

Actually, your death along with the crumb that has never been is what we are looking for way more than who you followed and where they went.

What made you think Nahdia might be scum performing the kill and not the Jailkeeper she claimed?

Read 10716 again. I never said that I suspected Nahdia as scum. I said that Almost50 and JaeReed suspected that Nahdia is scum, so I targeted Nahdia in order to avoid another day of pointless speculation, in addition to them being the only target that could provide a definite result.

Except you claimed weak, which means you could target mafia and give a result of your death, which would in turn allow us to catch an actual mafia player.

Except that had you died, we would have had no result ONCE again, because you left no information on your supposed target.

It's almost as if you don't get your role, like it's not real.....

So, when you explain your actions and results as if you are not a weak follower, it makes it harder to believe you're a weak follower.

Follow me?

Vote: Giovanni

[PeregrineV]

PeregrineV, what are your thoughts on the rest of the game?

The Mathblade lynch was bad. There was no reason to lynch him BEFORE Giovanni.

I'm sure 8 days of vote counts will give more info, but it takes time to pull and look at those.

Otherwise, there are 4 other players, you, JaeReed, Almost50, and Yoshi.

I think JaeReed is the only one with some sort of condtional clear, but I want to review the source again before I just accept it.

You and Almost50 both has fakeclaims which would make it easy to explain why your not the NK. If he strips people of thier powers, I doubt scum want that.

Your claim of hated seems to me to be a shortcut for scum to secure an easy win if they keep you as a scumread until this point in the game. Is anyone scumreading you?

Yoshi-scum won the a recent large we were in together. I don't feel like he is the same here, but I honestly haven't gone back to really compare- there have always been more pressing issues.

[PeregrineV]

Almost, are you a jester of sorts?

Can you link me to a game you played that had a Jester in it?

[PeregrineV]

OK, let me try to put myself in Maxous' shoes and see what I can come up with:

My problem with your logic here is that, in your scenario, Maxous picks based on PR strength alone. SirCakez's Inventor was far from a powerful PR compared to others, yet he got chosen. It seems simplistic to pick your cult based on

claimed

PRs alone.

However, even if we go by PRs alone, survivability of a claimed role is another factor to take into account. A vanilla townie would normally be a bad target to cult, but because of that, they have a lower chance to be lynched and nightkilled; A powerful PR not getting nighkilled eventually raises alarms and can be easily lynched, a vanilla townie not so much.

And no, I am not stating that JaeReed might be scum. It was an example.

Except you claimed weak, which means you could target mafia and give a result of your death, which would in turn allow us to catch an actual mafia player.

Except that had you died, we would have had no result ONCE again, because you left no information on your supposed target.

It's almost as if you don't get your role, like it's not real.....

So, when you explain your actions and results as if you are not a weak follower, it makes it harder to believe you're a weak follower.

Follow me?

Vote: Giovanni

So far, you have said over and over again how bad I have misplayed the role.

What exactly is scummy in my play other than that?

Also, was I scum from the beginning of the game or did I got culted when Maxous got lynched?

You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.

[PeregrineV]

Almost, are you a jester of sorts?

Can you link me to a game you played that had a Jester in it?

Why?

It's day9, I think it's lylo, and there's not point to rhetorical questions that do not aid in locating scum.

So, I take your question as serious, and it makes me wonder why you are asking it.

You must have played in a game with a Jester in lylo, so I want to read that game and the lylo portion, and see how you reacted, and how town and scum dealt with the whole thing.

[PeregrineV]

You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.

I get that he misplayed the "weak" modifier, but how in just being a watcher?

His last one was watching the town player that claimed jailkeeper? Just like Mathblade the night before? I don't get the point, nor the town motivation in doing so.

Who were his first 2 again, and I can probably tell why they were crap, or admit they weren't.

But the important part, the "weak" part, was misplayed so horribly it makes it hard to believe Gio is town.

[PeregrineV]

Guys, we need to either TALK, or we need to VOTE. I don't think any discussion is going to change anyone's mind at this point, though.. but if it could then let's have it. No need to wait for 5-6 more days and say "Ooops! Crunch time. Let's just lynch X bc we have no time to think it over!!"

Yes!

Rally the....

Get us to......

Wait a minute....

Nobody seems to be talking about who the scum is, nor voting them.

Improve your credit by voting Giovanni.

Or talk about your scumreads, since the passage of time has made your reads flee my mind.

[PeregrineV]

You misplayed the role 3 times in a row. Both aspects of your claimed role. So 6 times. Even after being called out on it by me the first time.

I don't believe in the Max cult thing, so scum since the beginning.

You don't believe in the "Max cult thing"... A couple of questions, then:

What was that message from Skullduggery after the Maxous flip, stating that a "New faction was created" in addition to the fact that the mod does not outright lie, per game rules? What was that extra long night for?

Maybe scum was the Scum Street Gang Mafia, and they got a new name to Gaster-Aligned.

Maybe the long night was a function of Maxous death.

Unless you can explain how or why it's important to the game, it's 4-2 (or, more doubtfully, 5-1), and I am fairly certain I have no idea of anyone's reads, or why they have them.

Why SirCakez, our only red flip, flipped "Gaster's Follower"?

What is the correlation between "Gaster" (Maxous's role) and "Gaster's Followers"?

Dunno.

Dunno.

Tell me the relevance.

Tell me who is scum.

[PeregrineV]

Guys, we need to either TALK, or we need to VOTE. I don't think any discussion is going to change anyone's mind at this point, though.. but if it could then let's have it. No need to wait for 5-6 more days and say "Ooops! Crunch time. Let's just lynch X bc we have no time to think it over!!"

Where's your vote then?

Have we agreed on a lynch? Cuz I don't see anybody else voting, and I will have my vote on whomever we agree on lynching.

P.S. If we do not have a unanimous agreement, my vote is effectively relayed to JR to do whatever he likes with it. In other words, JR is effectively a double voter.

It will not be unanimous. Get your head out of the sand.

[PeregrineV]

Almost, are you a jester of sorts?

Can you link me to a game you played that had a Jester in it?

Why?

It's day9, I think it's lylo, and there's not point to rhetorical questions that do not aid in locating scum.

So, I take your question as serious, and it makes me wonder why you are asking it.

You must have played in a game with a Jester in lylo, so I want to read that game and the lylo portion, and see how you reacted, and how town and scum dealt with the whole thing.

1) Why do you think it's lylo?

Because if not, then it would be designed as a 19-2-1 game. Most games are not purposefully designed to be lopsided, as a normal course of things.

Why would you think it's not lylo?

2) My question was serious, yes. I wanted to know whether I was actively hindering A50's ability to win the game by insisting he live. He was either town or jester. If town then I don't want him lynched. If Jester it becomes a question of whether I believe it's mylo/lylo.

So, your serious question to Almost50 was "Almost50, do you have a role that wins when you get lynched?"

3) Why must I have played in a game with a jester in lylo?

Because a Jester in lylo has lost.
And I don't think you know what the role really is.
Do you mean something else?
And day9 is a horrible day for day1 questions.

I don't think whether I've played with a jester before has any bearing to me asking A50 that question. I don't believe you seriously believe that it does, either, or that you seriously think that I have to have played with a jester before in order to ask whether A50 is one.

This is for a two main big reasons.
A) We have a wiki.
B) People were speculating in this thread while A50 was campaigning for his lynch about him potentially being a jester.

Even if I didn't know prior what jester was I surely would have after all that.

Your request was noise. It was not scumhunting, and it was not helpful.

Yes, I am trying to ascertain if you REALLY mean the question to Almost50.

If you do, walk me through what is means to the gamestate if Almost50 IS a Jester. The worst one ever played in the history of ever, but a bonafide Jester.

And then-

Walk me through what it means if he is NOT a Jester.

[PeregrineV]

Because the MOD told us a NEW faction has been CREATED. That's why.

And if the members of the faction knew all along they would or could be culted, then we should be lynching YOU today because you are the one who refused to vote Maxous. You don't think someone who KNEW they would be culted upon Maxous' lynch would actually be enthusiastic about switching their alignment and voting him, would you? Even if they didn't know Maxous was their leader they must've suspected it with both his character and role claim, which must've made it apparently clear to them that THIS is their leader, and guess what? PV DID vote Maxous.

I never voted him. I didn't like his waffling on his wincon, but I believed he was 3p and was actively scumhunting.

[PeregrineV]

Day 6 Begins Now

Current Vote Count:

(0)

SirCakez

(0)

Giovanni il Pellegrino

(0)

MathBlade

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Nahdia

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(0)

BigYoshiFan

(0)

Narna

(0)

Almost50

(0)

Pine

(0)

Creeps20

Not Voting:

SirCakez, Giovanni il Pellegrino, MathBlade, PeregrineV, Nahdia, Accountant, Not Chara, Ankamius, BigYoshiFan, Narna, Almost50, Pine, Creeps20

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Day 6 Will End on Monday, December 26th, at 9 p.m. Eastern Time
Countdown: (expired on 2016-12-26 21:00:00)

And because I'm not totally unreasonable, then with 13 people on day 5, if a scum team was "created", then for balance purposes it would probably be 3, because 3 is normal in a 13 player game.

That still means 2 scum left, which still means lylo.

If everyone wants to say anyone could have been converted to scum, then if I were Maxous, I'd convert the strongest roles, like Inventor, investigator, etc.

[PeregrineV]

Dunno.

Dunno.

Tell me the relevance.

I wasn't the one suggesting that the culting thing was nonsense.

His last one was watching the town player that claimed jailkeeper? Just like Mathblade the night before? I don't get the point, nor the town motivation in doing so.

Mathblade had a one-shot active ability which allowed me to get a result on the type of action he performed. They also asked to be checked by me that night, because of the one-shot action they had.

Nahdia was the only one left with an active ability that would let me get a result on the type of action performed.

Both had people suspecting them, while I was townreading them. I targeted them to clear things up.

Which brings us back to the fact that you have provided zero information from the use of your role.

Anyways, you're lucky no one else seems interested in your lynch.

And my attempts at killing apathy are done.

Unvote.

Go get'em Gio!

[PeregrineV]

In my ever so humble opinion, I have never played with a Jester that did not try to be lynch day1 or day2 at a minimum.

But, then again, I erroneously assume optimal play whenever possible from other mafia players.

[PeregrineV]

So, anyone interested in scumhunting, I need help from my point of view.

2 of you are scum, 3 of you are not. (these are my numbers that I believe)

Assume your culting thing, numbers would still be the same (13 players when Max dies= 3 mafia).

Who do you pick as Maxous to give your scumteam the best chance to win?

[PeregrineV]

Is there still a neighborhood? Who is left in it?

[PeregrineV]

One last thing:

PeregrineV, are you scum?

No, I'm not.

[PeregrineV]

I think it's time to look through Day 6 again.

If the death of Maxous caused the creation of a scumteam based on the remaining number of players, then day6 is the better day to look.

I started looking, but then decided I'm not going to bother if no one else gives a shit.

[PeregrineV]

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

decided I'm not going to bother if no one else gives a shit.

[PeregrineV]

And?

Your play didn't look like you wanted to lynch scum, it looked like you wanted to lynch Giovanni.

You think Giovanni is town?

[PeregrineV]

I'm thinking as such at the moment, yes.

And for scum?

[PeregrineV]

JaeReed, BigYoshiFan, and I are in the neighborhood. You, Almost50, and Giovanni il Pellegrino do not have access.

I'm with JaeReed in suspecting that BigYoshiFan is likely the mole. I've been suspicious that there has been one since I revealed during the night what I expected was going to happen from how I saw the gamestate and there was a pretty significant push away from that today.

I might have been incorrect in assuming I'd be the designated mislynch and Giovanni might have been the designated mislynch instead. If that's true, then a lot of what Almost50 and BigYoshiFan did today makes more sense.

One last thing:

PeregrineV, are you scum?

Your play today doesn't look like you're legitimately trying to solve the game, even leading up towards your vote and eventual unvote of Giovanni.

So you suspect Almost50 and BigYoshi?

Assuming the whole scumteam creation theory, why does Max choose SirCakez, Almost50, and Yoshi, when he could have selected the JK claim, the kill-check claim, and you?

[PeregrineV]

What makes you so sure that Maxous chose roles based on power?

Hell, what makes you so sure that Maxous was able to pick?

Isn't that the whole argument? There was no scum until he died?

For balance purposes, scumteam would have to be sized based on living players (13 at the time).

If Max did not pick, then how was it determined? Randomly?

Conversely, if it was pre-destined (by the mod), then every person would have to have something like a scum priority number, so that if they are alive at X point in the game, then they become scumteam, but if they are not, then the next person does.

If the scumteam was set to become scum whenever Gaster died, regardless of # of living players left, then we should be able to pinpoint the "scumteam" based on role, especially the dead ones. For example, was Titus part of the Gaster group, but died too early? If so, did Max kill her? If so, why, knowing that her being alive would help his new group win?

So basically, if people flipped from town to scum when Max died, what do you think was the logic behind the switch?

[PeregrineV]

I feel like you're following popular opinion a lot lately and trying to appease me & Ank. It feels like everything you've pushed lately has been jumping on a small thing one of us noted to push it as a thing.

idunno I might be wrong. My gut was pinging me like crazy there though.

Is it even possible that scum forgets I'm mechanically clear here?

Since you were cleared before day5, right?

I would be voting Yoshi, but I'll wait for Gio first to throw in. He's been watching Yoshi's play since at least day5.

[PeregrineV]

PV is the only viable lynch today IMO.
He started the day tunneling Gio, which was meh.
Attacked him for not crumbing as a weak role, which is undeniably incriminating, but also attacks him as a watcher, and I think that is where is argument becomes invalid.
Gio targeted Maxous N2, which (probably) forced Maxous to claim ascetic. He targeted Narna N4 and confirmed their investigation. He targeted MathBlade N6 and confirmed their investigation. I can see the town motivation in doing these. If you don't, tell me where his watch would have been better used.
His unvote is extremely suspicious. I don't see a town-motivation in simply giving up your scumread.
Also, can someone explain how it could be LYLO? 5v1 is not LYLO. 4v2 is MYLO. 3v2v1 is MYLO (assuming 3p is jester, right?). Even if the one considering the jester is wrong, is that even a possibility to us anymore? We not considering some other 3p. If there is a way this could be LYLO, hit me, please. I've been pondering over this for days because I thought if LYLO was proposed, it surely is a possibility, right? And I don't want to look absolutely stupid, but the way PV describes this gamestate as LYLO is like he needs a lynch in order to win. His play in the beginning of today looks like he planned to tunnel Gio, but gave up midday because no one was interested.
VOTE: PV

He voted to lynch his own clear (10647).

Sorry, yes, Mylo. Does that change anything for you?

[PeregrineV]

Heh. Quoting post 10,000 something.
that's insane.

[PeregrineV]

@Skull- going to be not much around this weekend. V/LA Jan 27-30

[PeregrineV]

I feel like you're following popular opinion a lot lately and trying to appease me & Ank. It feels like everything you've pushed lately has been jumping on a small thing one of us noted to push it as a thing.

idunno I might be wrong. My gut was pinging me like crazy there though.

Is it even possible that scum forgets I'm mechanically clear here?

Since you were cleared before day5, right?

I would be voting Yoshi, but I'll wait for Gio first to throw in. He's been watching Yoshi's play since at least day5.

Seems like I posted this more than a day ago, but it was only yesterday, when all my troubles seemed so far away.

But, it's still relevant.

[PeregrineV]

So Gio and almost50?

[PeregrineV]

@SKull

- Great game! It was frustrating for me, but not because of the modding. All those townflips were disheartening, but as part of the setup design I totally love it!!
Thanks for letting me play, and if you want to stick around and mod another game, count me as /pre-in.

[PeregrineV]

I almost forgot to ask, and if it's in the PTs let me know

@Maxous

- Talk about your selection process for your Gaster-team. Why did you pick who you did and how did you arrive at that decision? Did you plan anything with regards to timing your own death to more control the size of the scumteam? How did you choose your NKs, and were they in the moment of the game, or future thinking?