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[Human Sequencer]

what the fuck 20 pages
this is what happens when i go to sleep as soon as the game opens and go to work as soon as i wake up
prepare for one million walls

[Human Sequencer]

First read I have after 60 posts is creature kinda scum, Alisae kinda scum and Gin kinda town.
58 is a strong indicator, this isn't the Creature I know, and his push on Gin/Pine in 28 is eh. Not sure whether it's sarcastic or not tbh.
Alisae is acting kinda weird. Hard to word, will get around to a proper read if it becomes relevant.

Uzi kinda town (78)

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what the fuck is this post lmao ahahahahaha
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aaaahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahhahahah

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Ircher townpoints.
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Notable. Definitely reads like Alisae genuinely standing up for their friend for non-alignment reasons.

sweeet debi plays yugioh <3
i like debi in general
i like too many people in this game tbh

Uzi -really- town as of 118

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Alright I hope I'm not the only one who saw this. Wraith intends to imply that Debi is scum, because they have a foreknowledge of the setup (how many scum there are), and then pushes that it's multiball. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it's multiball, surely scum aren't informed how many other teams there are or how many scum are on those teams, so how would Debi have that foreknowledge? I would waive this as Wraith just making a mistake if he didn't pull the multiball assumption out of his ass-- That implies to me that -he- knows it's multiball. 'Foreknowledge of the setup'.
Debi wasn't even being that serious with the 9/10 split, she said the following:

So just for the sake of it, lets say we had 10 towns in this game, and 9 scum, it is unlikely but go with it.

And beyond that never even implied that they believed there was multiball. Really suss, strongest scumread as of this post.

The fact that Debi didn't call on that to defend herself gives her massive townpoints, regardless of Wraith's alignment.
Edit:nvm, she did later, but it still wasn't her go-to. I believe that quote only makes sense coming from scumDebi if they left it precisely to call back on it later as an out, and her only mentioning it later reads as if she forgot she put it in at first, re-read her post and realized she could use it to defend herself. The kinda thing town would do.

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Holy fuck lynch this
Setup regardless, Alisae and Wraith are scummy af so far.

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Holy fuck sheep this
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This too

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HOLY FUCK LYNCH THIS

VOTE: Alisae
FoS:Wraith

feeling a dunn kyouko hs townblock rn tbh

Alisae is like
Really fucking obvscum as of 187
Like fuck, L Y N C H T H I S
It's not just lynchbaity play either, I like to think I have a basic grasp of their personality so far.

Wraith townlean

Wraith is currently gut. He's probably also one of my "gun to my head town" reads.

Alisae Wraith scumteam, slam-dunk lynches lets goooooo

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SUPER SCUMMY

Also, what the hell is single/multiball?

REALLY GOING IN HARD FOR THE DERPCLEAR I SEE

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Debi -really town-

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@RB

Gin plays kinda lynchbaity. Not paying much attention tot he slot atm, but keep that in mind.

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ok everybody agrees with me i guess

nothing happens for a few pages

I'm 100% okay with an Alisae lynch, even if it's a pretty quick one. I'm recently kind of coming around to the notion that long days, especially D1s, are completely counterproductive, so a lynch of Aliscum with some policy motive peppered in suits me just fine.

I think we'll get along just fine, Pine.

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This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

And I'm all caught up.
Alisae -really- scummy. Creature -really- scummy. Wraith kinda scummy.
Any questions?

@RB explain Gin wagon to me?

[Human Sequencer]

^change post 81 to 86 lmoa

[Human Sequencer]

oh yeah forgot echo really scummy

[Human Sequencer]

rb - idk
Alisae - scummy af
ssbm_Kyouko - townlean, post moar
TheRealGin-N-Tonic - idk
Lil Uzi Vert - town
Gamma Emerald - post moar, likely flake slot tbh
Zachstralkita - literally nothing
Creature - scummy
drealmerz7 - lol
Ircher - towny
Pine - towny kinda
Human Sequencer - lol
-Grey- - idk
Wraith - scummy af
SlickDilinger - great post my dude
Debi - town af
EchoVision - scummy
Dunnstral - idk can't ever read dunn fuck you
All Alone - lol

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

[Human Sequencer]

us agreeing does not make you town, you making posts that are consistent with you being town make you town

i'm not really focusing on your slot at all atm tbh, would you like me to?

[Human Sequencer]

Before I do, do you think me not having a read on you at the moment is alignment indicative?

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Also, sell me on rbScum.

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I did some meta on you to formulate my read of you in Wave, and I'm pretty sure I have a strong handle of your personality by now.
Creature knows I can read him as scum, and he's scared I'll be able to get an accurate read on him and convince town of his scumminess.
Compare how he reacted to my read of him to anybody else who scumread him previously (Grey, Alisae) and realize how desperate he is to discredit my read. Really doubling down on it, boys.

[Human Sequencer]

^Add uzi to the list of people who scumread creature.

[Human Sequencer]

Except I literally did that in Wave. I had only known of the existence of a player named Creature for one in real life day, and then came with a correct read of his alignment in about two hours.
Required reading: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8592390 and onward. Just iso HS/Creature.

You're saying I shouldn't post my scumread on you, because it's a trust tell. What motivation would I have for not posting my reads as I have them?
Literally all I've done is post that I scumread you. I've barely even said why (I will admit I had flaky, subjective reasoning, but that's becoming a lot less true the more I interact with you). townCreature would be interested in why I scumread him, and use it as leverage to try and understand my slot better. Creature isn't confrontational. scumCreature is scared. He's doing his best to discredit my read, because he's aware it's legitimate and scared of me pushing it into a lynch, which is why he's going against his confrontational personality to discredit my reads-- out of desperation.

He's dismissed my reads as sucky, called it a trust tell and implied that I'm scum with ulterior motive all one after the other. What's the town motivation for this? Creature doesn't have one, because he didn't do -any- of this to anybody else who scumread him. It's not like I was pushing him any harder than anybody else, either (although I am now), he was an aside in my wallpost and under 'scummy' in my readslist.

VOTE: Creature

PEDIT: I did not do that. I don't believe in that kind of meta read. I think understanding somebody's personality is the first step to understanding what drives them and motivates them as -both- factions. It's not about what you do as town or scum. It's about the kind of person you are and how you would react to this very situation as town or scum.

PEDIT2: Creature, Wraith, Echovision (has anybody else even scumread that slot?)
>implying lynchbait are always town

[Human Sequencer]

You can't claim that your reaction to my scumread over the ones put forth by {uzi, alisae, wraith} is town motivated because you think I'm scum, because I've only been in this game for one IRL day and that would be a trust tell :^)

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So am I scum pushing a mislynch, or town misinterpreting things?

Why did you ask the question you asked in 528? It seems like you're looking for support in your scumread, and you imply in 525 that I may have scummy ulterior motives. That doesn't jive with a Human that's 'misinterpreting things'.

He's dismissed my reads as sucky, called it a trust tell and implied that I'm scum with ulterior motive all one after the other. What's the town motivation for this?

[Human Sequencer]

I bet your meta is off one or two town games.

M O R E D I S C R E D I T

[Human Sequencer]

Hammer? How is this relevant?

[Human Sequencer]

ok lmao
nice irrelevant fact that doesn't explain your motivation for calling my reads shite and otherwise discrediting me fifteen thousand times at all

ok grey gimmie a sex things happened

[Human Sequencer]

^totally intentional trust me

[Human Sequencer]

I don't think I really need to explain why this interaction comes off as scummy for Creature, and us going on and on about it will shit up the thread and won't promote any better reads. So I'll let others weigh in on what they think.

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Not true. Scum can conceivably have -some- foreknowledge, but not -all- foreknowledge. Scum don't know about serial killers, for example.
Worth noting Grey was defending Debi (probtown) and attacking Wraith (probscum) though.

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I like the push on Alisae (and the push on wraith) because I believe they're correct, but being right=/=being town, especially when Grey might not even be right.

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Push on rb though is stupid. Wording slips are almost useless usually, and this one in particular is also quite asinine.

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Very townie interaction. No real scum motivation, and comes off as genuine scumhunting.

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Very stupid post tbh.

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I agree, and I think Grey admitting that he's unsure about what that frustration would come from as a good sign. On the other hand, it could be interpreted as Grey just trying to discredit Alisae further, but I don't buy into that so much, partly because I believe Alisae is scum, and partly because I believe Grey believes Alisae is scum.

That's pretty much all I found commentable. Don't understand the RB push at all, unless Grey buys into the idea that this is either a 19p game with 3 scum (lol) or a multiball game.
I think the latter is likely what Grey expects, and this is why I asked him to explain the push on rb, because it changes my read on his push from "????" to "Ah, ok, kinda townie". Grey isn't an idiot, and he probably has fine reasons for scumreading RB.
I get the feeling the motivation behind 528 is some sort of gambit revolving around this.
If that's the case, I've gotta ask where you got the multiball idea from, apart from like 4-5 players (off the top of my head) mentioning it as a possibility. I don't really think it's a given right now, unless Wraith flips scum.

Grey is probably town.

PEDIT @CREATURE:

Let's test:
If you know my meta very well, how do I play as town and how do I play as scum?

lol
'Summarize 50+ games up with a statement of how I play as each alignment (something that changes fluidly)'
No thx. It's not about 'x does y as scum/town' as I said earlier. It's about understanding your personality, and how you're likely to react to certain situations, and what motivates you in others.

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Conversation is done.

Please comment on it, Gin.

[Human Sequencer]

Gamma hasn't posted?
Scum PT slip?

[Human Sequencer]

I could get behind an RB lynch, if Grey's logic is sound. RB would usually be bleeding town at this point, and I don't see that atm.

[Human Sequencer]

Slips are rarely damning though. I'd much rather confirm multiball before running down RB for that.

Any other reasons why you think multiball is valid, or alternatively why you scumread RB?

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@Grey Yeah, I thought as much. I'm just a little wary that you buy into it so easily.
It being multiball heavily incriminates Ircher, Creature, Wraith and kinda incriminates you and RB.

In fact if it's multiball, Creature and Wraith become even slam-dunkier lynches than they were before.

@Ircher <3

[Human Sequencer]

He was the first player to speculate multiball 106.

It doesn't check out, and he wasn't really properly discussing it. Especially falls apart when you consider that he actually ignored most of the discussion about it when it picked up steam.
I just searched the thread for 'Multiball' and put him in the list because he bought it up first. I rescind that, I was wrong.

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Yeah, I remember Creature's 'Singleball' comment, which is why he's in the list. No idea where it was, and Ircher came up first on the multiball search.

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-readslist snip-

Feel free to ask my reasoning on any of these, if I miss it, ask again.

I liked your catch-up post but I'm not following your reads on Ircher and Echo. Could you go in depth on them a bit more?

I'll do a readout a la 556 on those two tomorrow, it's late and I'm tired and they take mental energy. Throw me a bone =.="

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Alisae is literally claiming lynchbait and using it as a bargaining chip.
Does that recontextualize any of her earlier posts as 'blatantly bad scum' to anybody else, instead of 'dodgy new town'?
It doesn't to me, because I've known it was blatantly bad scum since the beginning of eternity.

[Human Sequencer]

You could say you have no idea. :lol

[Human Sequencer]

fuck.

You could say you have no idea.

[Human Sequencer]

Hey! I'm scum!Pine! Let's push lynch bait and add nothing as I hide on this wagon and keep on saying "Alisae is scum" without saying why? Great fucking plan!

Town points for both of ywall for seeing past lynch bait instead of hopping on.

I am town lynchbait please don't lynch me!

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Associations are for post-flip. Stop trying to derail my reads, because you know they're correct. Especially when multiball is still a possibility, which a scumflip (hint: You) would confirm.

Creature scummy, unsure on votecount, can't be fucked figuring out votecount, etc.
Thanks for reminding me, though, because I'm pretty sure this isn't a hammer regardless.
VOTE: Alisae

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@Zach
Alright, I've added Alisae along with Ircher and Echo on my wallpost to-do list for tomorrow.

[Human Sequencer]

@Zach
Alright, I've added Alisae along with Ircher and Echo on my wallpost to-do list for tomorrow.

I say this not because I'm trying to be snarky, I say this because you're right and it's a bad habit I have and need to break out of.
The correct answer is always readout wallposts!

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more good posts
still null/idk on pine

not voting dreamer from literally one post without giving it a really close look, and i've got other slots with one million posts i could sift through instead

speaking of which, wall time, ircher first

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and i'm aware echo asked me about my scumread on him inbetween my last post and now, but he's on my to-wall list so he'll get his explanation eventually

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@dunn
go ahead, didn't really know what to say about your post before, apart from you're going 3/3 in scumreading me in games we're both in

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This isn't a scumread I think is particularly likely to come from scum. It reads more like townIrcher coming up with a bit of a stretchy scumread than scumIrcher doing the same.

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Same. Reads far more like townIrcher going down the wrong track, as opposed to scumIrcher trying to start a wagon or something. Based on an understanding of Ircher's personality (I hesitate to use the word 'Meta' again, lmao), I read his tunnel on Debi genuine.

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Ircher picks up on the same thing I did 18 pages later. His logic is valid, and this incriminating Wraith is something I can (and did) absolutely get behind. If Wraith flips scum, Ircher is likely town, and Wraith is one of my higher scumreads atm.

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Ircher wants to hear Dunn's opinion on Debi's slot. Town motivation is understanding Dunn's read on Debi for two reasons
1. Try and sort Dunn
2. Try and sort Debi
Ircher takes the points of other players' on board while formulating his reads, and the only scum motivation is 'Trying to look like town' and 'Understanding Dunn's perspective to manipulate him better'. I don't see the latter coming from scumIrcher at all, and I don't think this is the way scumIrcher would go about the former.
Worth noting Dunn never elaborated (not that that necessarily incriminates Dunn) and that Ircher never pushed him for it.

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I really doubt scumIrcher would bother to mention this, unless Creature/Ircher is a scumteam and Ircher was interested in using this particular post for towncredit later, and I really highly doubt that's the kind of thing Ircher would do.

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Reads genuine. He believes in his conviction, and does some minimal backpedaling, admitting that perhaps he was a little forefront with it, but still believes in it logically, which is a good sign. The logic is sound, and I doubt scumIrcher would do his half-backpedal without going the whole way and admitting that he was wrong to begin with.

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Ircher again proving that he's interested in how other people read his scumreads. Supports his questioning earlier w/ Dunn.

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Same.

At this point, I'm pretty convinced Ircher is town. Does anybody else wanna point me to any posts they find particularly incriminating they made? Uzi in particular. I hope my logic was written well enough for you to understand.

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When did you think I was scum, and why?
Was it because of my push on you and what you interpret as shoddy logic/reasoning?

[Human Sequencer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A

PEDIT: Yeah, I thought as much. That checks out.

[Human Sequencer]

Alright nvm echo scumread was bogus, wallpost incoming

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See I originally thought his comment on single/multiball was him going for a derpclear because it read dishonest as fuck, but the more he posts the more I see it's in-line with how he posts. I misunderstood the way he posts, and interpreted that aside comment as a blatant lie. Him defending Debi's misunderstanding as 'human error' is towny, even if untrue.

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Reads genuine. The fact that he says nothing has pinged him in 7 pages reads as a good sign, to me. I'm not really sure though.

Not much of a wallpost I guess, but that's all I found commentable. Currently sitting on null.

[Human Sequencer]

really tired, is late, alisae is being put off another day, sorry lads

[Human Sequencer]

twenty bajillion posts later rb is innocent child
checks out with his actions, and i buy into his motivations (even though it's irrelevant because he's innocent child lmao)

bdsm_tokyo is the best thing i've heard all week
might be able to get on board with a gin wagon, need to look at the slot closer
i think ircher's pants-on-head stupid push on rb is far more consistent with 'memeing and angry townIrcher' than 'scumIrcher trying to push a mislynch', and i don't buy that he was intentionally going for that look as scum in this particular instance

How come you came in agreeing 2/2 for me but then say "eh I can't read dunn anyway"

us agreeing does not make you town, you making posts that are consistent with you being town make you town

[Human Sequencer]

don't remember where it was said, but Creature said it'd be a good idea to cycle through lurker slots early, and despite it being creature (scumread waning, need a readout wallpost tbh) i heartily agree, considering how many mislynches we have (i'm not used to this luxury in a normal game) and how killer lurker slots are closer to the end of the game.

though i do agree its a better idea to lynch scum.

VOTE: All Alone

wagon i can best get behind atm, blatantly bad iso that doesn't even need a readout to parse.

[Human Sequencer]

It's not really meta, it's more like an intuitive understanding of their personality. It's not about things they specifically do as town or scum it's about how their overall persona comes across and the context of things they say.

hey it looks like i ended up alright after all
i came to this conclusion independently daddy, are you proud of me?

[Human Sequencer]

yeah lmao his name, icon and posting style implies far older than 18

[Human Sequencer]

Yknow I really gotta disagree with you there, Wraith. We have oodles of information to comb over already, and every fucking scumread I have disappears into 'eh kinda null'. Alisae is doing this now as I iso her, despite her still being a valid lynch in my eyes. Large games are fucking hard and I need to learn how to adapt to them.

How many scum is there reasonable to be in this game? 19p, probably like 5 scum, assuming singleball? I know from the spec earlier that 9 is asinine, but I know nothing about gamebalance. I just wanna know if I should be worried about not having many scumreads at this point. The only other 'large' game I've played in only had 17 players, one who was a non-issue, and even that was enough to confuse my reads. There was only 3 scum in that game, but the setup was different there so eh.

The less scum there are the more confident I am in cycling through lurker slots. Unreadable slots with no posts are much better to get rid of early or force-replace out before the thread becomes too big rather than have sitting around as a liability later in the game.

RB tells me Dreamer is scum, and he's lurky as fuck, so I'm fine sheeping that.
Mod confirmed town RB seems like an automatic town win tbh.
VOTE: Dreamer

Alisae is kinda weird. I get a lot of 'well this is obvtown' from her, and a lot of 'well this is obvscum' from her, and everything inbetween.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with a utility lynch at this point in the game. Crucify me.

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Really conflicted on Wraith. Old multiball point still stands, and if multiball is confirmed he's obvscum to me. But his catchup walls look genuine and are towny as fuck.
He could just be better than me though lmoa

RB, grey, Creature, Dunn, what do you think of Wraith and why?

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Damn, Gamma.

lmoa

Pine get in this thread, you're the only EMT I know and Gamma needs a serious blood transfusion for how much town he's bleeding.

i'm glad 'bleeding town' has caught on :X

Now take a look at my 1055 @hs

ya i see it
what do you wanna talk about
its obv you're going somewhere with this (that or just reaction test memeing) but i don't know where that is so i'm gonna have to ask you to spell your questioning out more

[Human Sequencer]

idk about gin, kinda ignoring the slot atm because it seems like he'll get miles easier to read the more posts he makes
guess i'll have to take a closer look later

[Human Sequencer]

rb stop lazyposting because you're ic
whose scum bruv

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nah bruv just can't read you
had no idea where you were in the micro, just sheeped vedith and scum was obvs so it didn't matter
had no idea where you were in large dance and you ended up brutally assfucking me because of it (fwiw i had pretty much the exact same read on you in both games, townlean)
every step of the way in every game with you has been '?' pretty much

RB has yet to present a case so even if he's IC I can give fuck all what he thinks. Being IC doesn't make you god and it doesn't mean I have to kiss his ass.

this looks like gin trying to pull off his devil-may-care attitude he exemplifies as town, but he just can't do it. it reads dishonest as fuck.

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really like this post boys
it checks out and i don't get a sense of dishonesty from it at all. really doubt this is scum.

zach vs. gin is interesting. zach is town, rb is town, and they're both pretty on-ball. gin himself is getting looked at right now.

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Human, it's impossible for it to express dishonesty. It would be dishonest to say I didn't care about RB's thoughts on me but also ask him over and over about his case, after he was confirmed mind you. I was only on his ass asking about his case because I didn't know his alignment and thought he was scum pushing a quicklynch with no basis.

Also there isn't actually any point in arguing with an IC, he's confirmed so why would he start arguments with one player. In general it's best he lets the rest of the players argue as that lets the argument help indicate the alignment of two in question, otherwise it's a one-sided battle and you can't get much information of it.

I do have to ask why it's scummy to ignore a player, who you know is town, and scum reads you but hasn't said anything damning about you? If anything I'd say it would have been scummy to try and appease RB and try to make him like me after being on his ass instead of vice versa.

no, i mean your tone reads dishonest in that post, not what you expressed/the content in that post. it looks like you were trying to feign the general attitude you take as town, and that has absolutely died down with your last three posts. in fact, your inconsistent tone is a great reason for me to scumread you atm.
did you really miss my true intentions with that post? i doubt it. more likely i think is scumGin finding something shoddier to defend himself against, so he can write more about it and look townier in his response when his inconsistent tone sells him as scum anyway.

at the time of that readslist, zach had made 11 (eleven) posts. his iso was empty as fuck, and i had nothing to go off of. since then he's done enough to convince me that he's probably town. i never said he was confirmed, but that makes a nice little nibble for you to latch on to to discredit my argument that i see you've gone and done.

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i really doubt gin missed that i was talking about tone over content there. his response reads fake as fuck.
VOTE: Gin

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another example of his fake, inconsistent tone

Grow the fuck up and stop thinking people are mind readers and give context so people can actually follow what you're thinking.

this just doesn't read as realistic coming from Gin's mouth. it's really telling that he switched to a more logical and concise tone as soon as i voiced reason to scumread him, i feel like scumGin started shitting himself when I got on his trail because he knows about my mafia ability (or rather luck in our recent game[ongoing]) and realizing whatever he's doing atm isn't working.

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i also don't understand how anybody could scumread this, but on the other hand perhaps my personal perspective is swaying this one

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eeegh on the other hand his read on me bleeds town pretty hard
don't like his read on pine at all though tbh, did you ever end up settling on a read for ircher?

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grey, you've read gin right before.
what do you think of him right now?

[Human Sequencer]

unless you wanna save that for later as a sneaky gambit of course ))))))))))

[Human Sequencer]

well you don't have to talk about an ongoing game to talk about what you think of my skill in mafia or your likely reaction to it. be less narrow and more general in this particular instance and you won't have to talk about any ongoing games.

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i was very interested in your response here, and that's because what you said about ongoing games is a very convenient way to just dodge out of having to defend yourself.
when i rightfully said you don't have to mention ongoing games at all, i was interested to see if you'd take that as an invitation to elaborate on your thought processes or to see if you'd bury deeper into your shell.

you did the latter, but the way you did it actually gives me a little bit of pause.

regardless, please do elaborate. the ongoing game is mostly irrelevant, it was a one note footnote, and choosing to blanket it over my entire argument has a very enticing scum motivation for scumGin.

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gin or me?

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you can put a strike through slick, zach and gamma tbh
probably grey too, not sure yet

i mean slick could be scum i guess but there's no way i'm lynching him today

[Human Sequencer]

no real read on pine yet, but he makes a lot of sense and posts a lot of pro-town information. makes me want to keep him around at least.

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if you're town i promise i won't forget your reads
you should know that based on my play in wave
unless you think i'm scum, which you don't because i'm striked

gin, tone reads are a thing and i'm trying to get better at it. you in particular have a very distinctive way of typing, and a distinctive personality i think i've got a relatively solid grasp on. do you really think that all scumreads based on that are invalid, or are you trying to come up with an out for the situation you've wormed yourself into?

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gin, i don't think you're scum because of how you play as town, i think you're scum because of an inconsistent tone, which has once again flopped into a weak parody of 'oh look at how little i care'.

you can defend yourself in this position by explaining the town motivation for changing how you've expressed yourself in thread to me, to clear out my doubts. on the other hand, you can claim that you can't defend yourself and claim that i'm confbiased and that the only thing that'll prove me wrong is a green flip.

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you can defend yourself in this position by explaining the town motivation for changing how you've expressed yourself in thread to me, to clear out my doubts. on the other hand, you can claim that you can't defend yourself and claim that i'm confbiased and that the only thing that'll prove me wrong is a green flip.

guess gin went for the latter option lmao

my vote stands tbh

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i really doubt gin missed that i was talking about tone over content there

[Human Sequencer]

are you ok gin
may i recommend you some gin and tonic to calm your nerves
i hear its very popular in the russian mafia <3

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I think it would be ideal to lynch the lurkers early.
1. If we leave them alive and they're scum, town will forget about them.
2. If we leave them alive and they're town, when it's something like MyLo or LyLo, scum has a giant power.
3. They aren't contributing anyway, while the most active players are more clear about their thought process.
4. Who said they don't give info? We can see who was trying to lynch All Alone but not SlickDinger, etc.

tbh i 100% agree with this and would much rather cycle through dreamer(most likely lurker to flip scum tbh), but on the other hand i'm not so sure town can agree on that atm

[Human Sequencer]

See, that explanation checks out perfectly. Now try and understand why I'm scumreading you for not picking up on that earlier. If you posted that a few posts ago (as opposed to writing me off as confbiased), we wouldn't be at such an impasse.

[Human Sequencer]

How many scum is there reasonable to be in this game? 19p, probably like 5 scum, assuming singleball? I know from the spec earlier that 9 is asinine, but I know nothing about gamebalance. I just wanna know if I should be worried about not having many scumreads at this point. The only other 'large' game I've played in only had 17 players, one who was a non-issue, and even that was enough to confuse my reads. There was only 3 scum in that game, but the setup was different there so eh.

The less scum there are the more confident I am in cycling through lurker slots. Unreadable slots with no posts are much better to get rid of early or force-replace out before the thread becomes too big rather than have sitting around as a liability later in the game.

still want an answer to this btw
how many scum are there likely to be?
every time i start questioning one of my scumreads i come back to this gnawing question

[Human Sequencer]

i care :<
i'm still learning early-game larges
its fucking hard

[Human Sequencer]

1. dreamer
2. ali
3. gin
4. wraith

wraith goes to 1 if multiball is confirmed

[Human Sequencer]

VOTE: Dreamer

y everyone hate drealmerz?

He's the lurker I'm most comfortable wrecking atm

[Human Sequencer]

So why did you react so emotionally to my scumread with what you perceive as shoddy reasoning compared to some light memeing with RB who has a scumread based on practically no reasoning?

[Human Sequencer]

Or rather, I'm sure RB has reasoning, it's just not posted in thread.

[Human Sequencer]

See, that explanation checks out perfectly. Now try and understand why I'm scumreading you for not picking up on that earlier. If you posted that a few posts ago (as opposed to writing me off as confbiased), we wouldn't be at such an impasse.

This feels like a loaded statement from my perspective because it seems like you're asking me to say why people should think I'm scum.

And also, to go back to this.
I'm just trying to promote some understanding between our two viewpoints, which is very helpful if we're both town. If we can see where each other's argument's logically started and where they came from, we can understand the flaws each other made and then rectify them with updated information. Scumreads can come from misunderstandings, clarifications can put a halt to that.

[Human Sequencer]

This all checks out. I especially like Gin flat out admitting his interaction w/ RB, and I find it both incredibly realistic and honest.

I'm flip flopping on Gin, just like half of the playerlist. Send help.

[Human Sequencer]

At this point it's a game, if RB reads me as town, I win, and he knows that.

What did you mean by this?

[Human Sequencer]

Gin has definitely been towny lately

This. Gin's pretty obvtown now.
RB, walk me through your Gin scumread?

[Human Sequencer]

Are you Zachstralkita or Lil Uzi Vert? I'm getting confused.

[Human Sequencer]

nuke: Gin wagon

[Human Sequencer]

EBWOP, I hit submit too early.

Nah, it was just a shitty joke.

nuke: Gin wagon

I'm still fine with lurker lynches, I'm just kinda scared of scum hiding behind them without needing to really explain themselves.

[Human Sequencer]

Zach, sell me against lurker lynches. Or point to where you've already stated reasoning against it yourself.

[Human Sequencer]

Grey is town, sure, but game is not necessarily solved. I'm having a lot of doubt and it's killing me.

I guess it's better than being 100% sure, yet being obviously wrong in the end.

[Human Sequencer]

I just can't wait until this game reaches like 5p.

Too bad I'll probably be dead.

[Human Sequencer]

Can you link me to the other place you play forum mafia? Preferably to one of your games?

[Human Sequencer]

I come from a HS where mafia is not the main focus of the forums, the ppl who play mafia there all have regular real forum interactions with each other and know each other pretty well (to varying degrees) from that, AND it's a very small group, not a lot of fluctuation among players from game to game (and only enough ppl EVER for 1 game at a time.) I've played over 10 games with many of these people, and they don't know what the fuck to make of me hardly EVER. ESPECIALLY on D1!!! get off it, you can't base anything on me based on anything by me except for MAYYYYYYYBE genuine rage, cause it's hard to fake (I do do an okay job sometimes though but most often it is genuine and I don't attempt to fake that because it's hard.)

Do you concede that this isn't a valid point without evidence?

[Human Sequencer]

*know* that I will be giving this game my A-game 100% - this means multiple word documents with lots of notes and my own personal vote-tracking method (if at any time you wish to see my vote-trackings, just ask and I'll post them - warning, they're kind of messy and take a little understanding on how to read, but it works for me and I'm totally willing to share for anyone who wants to see)

Hey Dreamer, I wanna see your vote trackings.

[Human Sequencer]

So can I see your vote trackings up to page 10?

[Human Sequencer]

No, I want those vote-trackings first. Please don't get side-tracked, I can assure you that my request is more important.

[Human Sequencer]

This is a scum response.
Lynch this.

[Human Sequencer]

So dreal, you said I was scum. Present a case.

Do this please.

[Human Sequencer]

Why doesn't it have links added in yet, if it's the kind of thing you update as the thread goes on? If you are to add the post number, there's hardly any more time to be spent adding the link around it-- unless you're not updating it as the thread goes on (or as you read the thread), but instead creating it on the spot as quickly as possible to respond to pressure from a townie.

townDreamer would simply admit that he didn't have his VC up and running, and that'd be that. scumDreamer is more scared of being read as inconsistent with his first post. Lynch this.

[Human Sequencer]

Can you directly link me to another VC you've posted in thread, or are you scared of me picking apart the inconsistencies between them?

Alternatively, if you've never been asked to share them before, can you share with me the VC you've kept of another game if you've still got it stored on your computer somewhere? The game isn't important, as long as it isn't ongoing.

[Human Sequencer]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that

No you're fucking not. You haven't been 'Open and Clear' at all.

1451 to 1453
It took you one minute to respond.

1456 to 1459
It took you three minutes to respond, and you were busy replying to others.

1460 to 1461
It took you one minute to respond.

1464 to 1468
It took you six minutes to respond with filler, and then another two to respond properly with what should be an easy copy-paste. What were you doing in this time?
Fabricating a VC.

1479 to 1480
It took you three minutes to respond, -despite- you being busy with your ferrets.

[Human Sequencer]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that

No you're fucking not. You haven't been 'Open and Clear' at all.

1451 to 1453
It took you one minute to respond.

1456 to 1459
It took you three minutes to respond, and you were busy replying to others.

1460 to 1461
It took you one minute to respond.

1464 to 1468
It took you six minutes to respond with filler, and then another two to respond properly with what should be an easy copy-paste. What were you doing in this time?
Fabricating a VC.

1479 to 1480
It took you three minutes to respond, -despite- you being busy with your ferrets.

^^^Everybody read this post, I just found obvscum, lynch this thx

[Human Sequencer]

Nice discredit bro.

Are you going to answer my question?

What were you doing inbetween 1464 and 1468? Taking a shit? Getting something to eat? Fabricating a VC?

[Human Sequencer]

I suppose that's valid, but your absence coinciding with my question is just too coincidental to ignore.

[Human Sequencer]

Yeah, keep spamming the thread. Surely everybody will think you're town then! Then they can't call you a lurker anymore either!

[Human Sequencer]

For the record, I read Dreamer's anger as genuine, but I read it as him being frustrated for something he doesn't count as a genuine tell (instead of a 'fair' scumtell) as opposed to town being frustrated they're being run up.

a la 'Scum getting caught for the wrong reasons'

[Human Sequencer]

Hi Creature, what are your top4 lynch choices?

snip

VOTE: drealmerz7

press button for scumlynch

yo rb, updated lynch preferences list
1. Dreamer
2. Dreamer
3. Dreamer
4. Dreamer

[Human Sequencer]

Please have my babies oh my goddddddddddddddddd

Spectacularly improbable.

[Human Sequencer]

what is obvious is that I came into the game with better intentions than I have given, and I'm being open and clear about that

No you're fucking not. You haven't been 'Open and Clear' at all.

1451 to 1453
It took you one minute to respond.

1456 to 1459
It took you three minutes to respond, and you were busy replying to others.

1460 to 1461
It took you one minute to respond.

1464 to 1468
It took you six minutes to respond with filler, and then another two to respond properly with what should be an easy copy-paste. What were you doing in this time?
Fabricating a VC.

1479 to 1480
It took you three minutes to respond, -despite- you being busy with your ferrets.

@Wraith
Try reading this post, then you'll agree

[Human Sequencer]

@Human: Sorry if I'm being dumb right now, but you could tell me a simpler version of 1485? Are you saying that D7 made up that VC in order to try to make it seem like he's been note taking throughly?

Yeah, pretty much.
He didn't want to get caught out lying in his first post. So instead of just saying 'Well idk, I didn't actually make them this game sorry -shrug-' like a good little townie, he flat out lied and fabricated one while I was talking to him and pressuring him.

@Zach
It's not like I'm drawing baseless conclusions out of thin air, I was here leading Dreamer to that end the entire time because I had a suspicion he was bullshitting us from the start.

[Human Sequencer]

Say a number from 20-100.

38!

[Human Sequencer]

Gin I like making you frustrated.

oh~

dream vs. alisae is hilariously scummy on dreamer, and alisae's responses don't look like scum theatre at all.

the only problem with alisae's play, scum OR town, is that she posts too much. why would we policy lynch her? if you view her as lynchbait, she'll expose herself as town/scum later (probably) and if you view her as scum it's not a policy lynch.

oh hey sup titus, heard a lot of good, bad and ??? things about you, interested in playing w/ you
your vote belongs on dreamer

creature explain how those last two AA posts are scummy? i really really like them

[Human Sequencer]

dreamer>gin my lad
i like aa's posts for being townie, not because i agree with their logic.
well i do agree with their logic, but there's other stuff gin has posted that makes him just far too town

[Human Sequencer]

i still wanna hear what you didn't like about those aa posts btw

[Human Sequencer]

valid

i'm kinda putting sorting aa off for now, but i really liked those two posts
creature is lock town btw

[Human Sequencer]

pretty sure echo is town too

[Human Sequencer]

wtf guys why is nobody here, and half the game happens when i'm away
i need to talk to you lads
stop lurking, scumlords

[Human Sequencer]

i can see scum
itz dreamer!

[Human Sequencer]

lmoa
zach, plz show me the posts you think are more likely to come from towndreamer than scumdreamer?

[Human Sequencer]

@dreamer
thanks for intercepting my question directed at somebody else with a snide implication that i don't know how to play mafia, and thanks for discrediting my perspective. <3

i'm hard scumreading dreamer and have no idea how other, competent players aren't. i've asked for a description or elaboration on that from a few players I think (i know zach at least) and all i've gotten was 'well he's really towny, just read his posts!'

[Human Sequencer]

yo creature plz tell titus to vote dreamer for me bruv

@zach
i really don't think dreamer is town here. all of my other scumreads have fallen apart and turned into 'probably town' upon a re-read or upon interacting with them more, but dreamer jsut gets worse and worse. maybe i'm wildly misunderstanding his personality here or something. i also never went for slick, heads up. pretty strong tr on that slot.

[Human Sequencer]

drealmerz7 (6)
rb, Human Sequencer, ssbm_Kyouko, Creature, Ircher, Alisae
i've got a townread on everybody on this wagon except maybe BDSM Tokyo (null) and maybe alisae (slot confuses the fuck out of me). Also we got fucking rb up in here.

Has anybody else pushed this wagon or voted this wagon recently?

[Human Sequencer]

@zach can't wait to talk to you about our reads post-flips, regardless of who was right

[Human Sequencer]

Zach i really don't wanna be written off as a shitty player to you because you seem pretty onball, please tell me like i'm a complete pants-on-head dullard how dreamer is town and/or how gin is scum and I promise you i'll listen to what you have to say and take it on-board

[Human Sequencer]

again

i don't fucking care
this is how i find scum, deal with it bruv
unless you're scared of me being right i guess :^)

[Human Sequencer]

again

i don't fucking care
this is how i find scum, deal with it bruv
unless you're scared of me being right i guess :^)

no, I'm trying to help you suck at playing the game less in case you're town

you should care about playing better

get your fucking ego out of your way

pretty rich to imply that i have an ego when i literally called myself a pants-on-head dullard last post, but whatever you want i suppose

[Human Sequencer]

dreamer, have you done a meta-dive on me?

[Human Sequencer]

no nor do I care to

I don't meta-dive anyone ever, I learn to read them by experience with them it works best for me

that makes sense i guess. i ask because 1849 is like perfectly suited to me, and it read kinda dishonest. felt like it could have come on from a meta-dive on me, which could only be scum-intentioned considering that post.

@HS In my ISO there's a couple posts saying how gin is scum coupled with our major interaction. I should pull a you on you and ask you to tell me how on earth Gin twisting, misrepresenting, and straw manning my words comes from town. The last words on the subject were by me because the argument has come to a standstill. I see Gin engaging others on their reads but I'm quite certain there's no more between us because I know how that conversation is going to go.

i humbly believe you've made a mistake on your read here. i originally scumread gin for similar reasons (inconsistent interactions between me and others RE:my scumread of him) but i reckon 1312 checks out. i'll give your interaction with him another go around sometime, because i'm pretty sure i'd waived you both as town at that point and didn't put that much effort into sorting that interaction

I'll probably die N1 anyway.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Cute~!

[Human Sequencer]

i love post 1865
i love it so much

For the record, I read Dreamer's anger as genuine, but I read it as him being frustrated for something he doesn't count as a genuine tell (instead of a 'fair' scumtell) as opposed to town being frustrated they're being run up.

a la 'Scum getting caught for the wrong reasons'

[Human Sequencer]

so like
why'd you only start sharpening us when your wagon got run up
where were you for everything before your wagon d1

[Human Sequencer]

if creature is so obvscum where were you when i was pushing the creature wagon and nobody else was?

[Human Sequencer]

literal what

[Human Sequencer]

??????

?????

???????

Que Sera?

[Human Sequencer]

i can barely even wrap my head around dreamer's logic if he's town
i just don't understand
send help

[Human Sequencer]

are you sure you haven't meta dived me
are you really sure

idk it definitely checks out but you're definitely speaking to me in a way that i feel comes from more knowledge of my personality than you let on and also loaded with malicious intent

[Human Sequencer]

i really need somebody, anybody, to tell me how dreamer is town. i just cannot understand it and i'm starting to feel even stupider than i did before-- quite a feat

[Human Sequencer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYH6u_JFaU

[Human Sequencer]

nah i'm just astonishingly sleep deprived and cannot be assed atm
something something there's no town motivation for fabricating a votecount and nobody is telling me you didn't fabricate that votecount

[Human Sequencer]

i like almost everybody on your wagon, and also 1867

[Human Sequencer]

holy fucking shit alisae post less lmao

[Human Sequencer]

yah i mean i could pick apart every post we've made in that interaction and tell you the scum motivation vs. town motivation behind them and how i interpret your thoughts but i'd just really rather not atm

the point is that it reads so obvious and blinding to me that i shouldn't have to, which makes me feel like this is all one big joke or something and you're all laughing at me for being an idiot

[Human Sequencer]

perhaps your methodology is flawed, but you've had a lot of games to perfect it, so i don't buy that. i highly doubt you wouldn't link the votes as you put them on the list, because that's the most efficient way to do it. it saves so much time compared to getting an unlinked votecount up, and then adding links later.

[Human Sequencer]

post more plz dunn i miss having you around :<

[Human Sequencer]

dreamer is literally trying to sell us that he was gambitting that whole time.
sorry, i'm not buying your bullshit.

zach, update on that dreamer townread? :^)

[Human Sequencer]

once again, if this was the -truth- you wouldn't have spent 45 minutes figuring out what you'd respond to me with.

dreamer needs rope really bad.

[Human Sequencer]

i don't buy for one fucking second it was your plan all along to make me scumread you based on a fabricated votecount. not one fucking second.

[Human Sequencer]

i don't need to address anything else you're saying because that's absolute fucking bullshit with no town motivation whatsoever. get lynched bruv.

[Human Sequencer]

yah i mean i could pick apart every post we've made in that interaction and tell you the scum motivation vs. town motivation behind them and how i interpret your thoughts but i'd just really rather not atm

the point is that it reads so obvious and blinding to me that i shouldn't have to, which makes me feel like this is all one big joke or something and you're all laughing at me for being an idiot

and you say my methodology is flawed???

alright everyone:

this is exactly what I was expecting

I do my thing, and I get someone who thinks they see LHF, I give them a little line, they run with it, I jerk back, and they're hooked and they can't get away

you've got NOTHING, HS

let's JUST take the VC stuff, because that one is EASY and you should be able to handle it

if I were scum why would I make the claim I did at the beginning of the game about how I was going to do VCs, offer them in the future in the same post, and then not prepare accordingly in case someone asks in the future?

translation:

I AM A SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUM LYNCH ME BECAUSE IM SCUM!

[Human Sequencer]

i don't buy for one fucking second it was your plan all along to make me scumread you based on a fabricated votecount. not one fucking second.

that's not what I was doing or what I said I was doing

HOLY BACKPEDAL, BATMAN!

this is how I know you're scum

no, you absolutely know i'm town. why else would you logically engage with my arguments in the way you have been?
so far you've insinuated that you believe my play is -bad- but not particularly -scummy-. i can't be bothered to look, can you cite me any post before that one where you've depicted my slot as scummy as opposed to bad town?
with that in mind, what changed?

[Human Sequencer]

EBWOP

i don't buy for one fucking second it was your plan all along to make me scumread you based on a fabricated votecount. not one fucking second.

that's not what I was doing or what I said I was doing

HOLY BACKPEDAL, BATMAN!

this is how I know you're scum

[/quote]
no, you absolutely know i'm town. why else would you logically engage with my arguments in the way you have been?
so far you've insinuated that you believe my play is -bad- but not particularly -scummy-. i can't be bothered to look, can you cite me any post before that one where you've depicted my slot as scummy as opposed to bad town?
with that in mind, what changed?

[Human Sequencer]

-snip-

'I give them a little line'
'you've got NOTHING'
If you give them something to think you are Scum for, isn't that them having something???
VOTE: drealmerz7

PS: You don't need to spam so much you know, without all of the useless posts, it would seriously help people navigate between posts.

This is a GoodPost(tm)

[Human Sequencer]

wow

you're terrible

laughably pathetic

good luck with that

just reminding you this is a game and i don't really take kindly to being called pathetic (despite it being 100% demonstrably true!) and i don't actually dislike you as a person at all, you're just scum

[Human Sequencer]

ok so dreamer in a universe where you weren't gambitting me with the vc, what was the 'line' you gave me? what were you using to bait me?

if you were going somewhere with this line of questioning, where was it? why have you given up on it?

[Human Sequencer]

I'm talking about your ability

you're terrible at playing

your attempt at play is laughably pathetic

it sounds like you're a little bit annoyed, i recommend perhaps some tea to calm your nerves.

[Human Sequencer]

why are you even talking to me like this, trying to help me get better at mafia or whatever, trying to coach me, if you think i'm scum? i think your frustration at my 'low level play' is valid, but i think it only comes out from somebody who knows i'm town.
gimmie a sec

PEDIT: oh i'm sorry we can't all be as good at mafia as you :<<
great defence, though.
'oh, he scumreads me? i'll just call him trash at mafia'
again, i recommend stress management. that meal you cooked earlier sounds really good, perhaps that'd help you calm down? and that's coming from a qualified chef!

[Human Sequencer]

I do my thing, and I get someone who thinks they see LHF, I give them a little line, they run with it, I jerk back, and they're hooked and they can't get away

so uh, what the fuck is this? what 'line' did you give me? where in the thread were you leading me on, and where were you leading me to?

i'm not shitposting, friend, i'm just trying to calm your nerves a little. i'm worried about you! all those caps make me scared :<

you accuse me of being scummy for not addressing your arguments, yet you've completely ignored the following posts:
1915
1909
i put it to the other townies in the thread that dreamer is in fact the one who is scared to engage with my arguments, and is using his accusation of me doing the same thing as a coverup to that. he's disregarded everything i've said as 'oh you're not even engaging with my arguments, you scumfuck!' over and over again, when he's also just completely glazed over the posts of mine that -are- trying to do that.

[Human Sequencer]

dreamer making a lot of posts saying i'm not engaging with his argument makes it look like i'm not engaging with his argument, when in reality that's just not the case.
scum manipulating the thread.

[Human Sequencer]

in particular i would like a response to 1909 to prove just how bullshit this scumread on me is. you literally pulled it straight out of you're ass, you can tell because of how shitty it is.

[Human Sequencer]

you're!
godamnit that ruins the joke .-.

[Human Sequencer]

it case it's not clear

the inherent scumdication is that you are "answering" to the "them" - when only scum answer to the "them" - townies inherently (it's psychological subconscious) "fall off" because they realize the "them" isn't them - scum stay with it

it was obvious that you were referring to me in that post. you're playing this up as a smoking gun to start a wagon when it's really not. i understand what you're trying to make it look like you were doing, but that's just not what was happening.
i was here, talking to you, and your post was literally directly responding to me. out of context, your slip makes sense. when you actually read the thread, it falls apart.
i invite everybody to read this post and make up their mind on what really happened.
1896
that one part i quoted is bookended by a response to a quote by me, and "you've got NOTHING, HS"
you were blatantly baiting me to do this that entire time, and now it's time for us all to laugh at you as it blows up in your face because of how obvscum it makes you.
i'm going to bed, and when i come home from work i want to see a lot of dreamer votes.

you accuse me of being scummy for not addressing your arguments, yet you've completely ignored the following posts:
1915
1909
i put it to the other townies in the thread that dreamer is in fact the one who is scared to engage with my arguments, and is using his accusation of me doing the same thing as a coverup to that. he's disregarded everything i've said as 'oh you're not even engaging with my arguments, you scumfuck!' over and over again, when he's also just completely glazed over the posts of mine that -are- trying to do that.

i'm still waiting on a response to this, and I see you're still refusing to engage with my points.

[Human Sequencer]

my immediate response to post 1930 was incredible laughter. i don't even care about losing this game anymore, you bought me so much joy with that post it literally doesn't matter.
i can't wait until rb reads that lmao.

[Human Sequencer]

alright, so what the fuck is post 1932 then? is that me not addressing your posts? is that me reframing shit?
what about 1930 where you blatantly took an interaction out of context and reframed it as a scumslip?

[Human Sequencer]

^lynch this

[Human Sequencer]

i blame debi tbh

[Human Sequencer]

^Sheeping that!

[Human Sequencer]

(that was a joke)

[Human Sequencer]

@zach dreamer has done too much objectively scummy behaviour for me to consider that as TvT. i still have no idea how dreamer is town.

@echo nvm it's just scum trying to create more town paranoia

@dunn uh well dreamer is scum, read the last two pages for proof <3

[Human Sequencer]

3) oml it's a he... Alisae is a fucking he... I've been clawing my eyes out every time someone calls HIM a she.

she doesn't mind.

@dunn
dunn

i like how you're posting

in freefrom poetry

without rhythmic structure

[Human Sequencer]

A Haiku, Entitled Dunnstral

Dunnstral, he's quite lewd
However, you'll quite quickly
Find that I approve

[Human Sequencer]

hello my friends i am now -in the thread-

[Human Sequencer]

^that
rb has an excuse because mod confirmed
dreamer has no excuse and is scum looking for an out

[Human Sequencer]

i like you, aa

[Human Sequencer]

do you know why

[Human Sequencer]

its because you actually fucking told me why gin is scum and cited the posts where he did the scummy things instead of just telling me 'well yknow gins real scummy and you're confbiased so you won't listen to me :^)'

[Human Sequencer]

As for the rest of his posts, you'll also been keen to notice that I have been the only player he ever talks about. I've been the main contender for the lynch right now, and I can only see Scum!All Alone pushing a lynch on one player.

There is no room for town!All Alone to be tunneling one player and never interacting with anyone else.

Oh, there's no room for town to tunnel one player, you say? then wtf is this:

I'm not focusing on anyone else right now but All Alone, anyone else is distracting.

I find it really hard to believe that townGin CONSCIOUSLY DECIDED to tunnel on me, and then LITERALLY FIFTEEN MINUTES LATER decided that tunnelling could not possibly come from town.

And yeah, "focus" is

exactly

how I play town. DEAL. WITHIT

this is literally 8 posts apart.

i also really liked zach's comment 1961 here.

[Human Sequencer]

i wish gin was here so i could talk to him tbh

[Human Sequencer]

fuck it i guess i'll just read gin myself, i can't trust any of you :<

[Human Sequencer]

sorry i only play archer, paladin's probably my least favorite class tbh

[Human Sequencer]

gin, please link me to any game on any site where you've ever believed in a scumtell based on activity and/or timestamps

[Human Sequencer]

or anybody else i'm lazy as fuck today

[Human Sequencer]

did a quick iso of that game along with a few relevant keywords and didn't come across anything.

your case on aa, where is it? is it just
'naked votes
lurks
scumreads me
beetlejuice'?

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no, i wanna know why you're scumreading aa kthx

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immediately assuming that i'm going to come up with a red result on you implies guilty conscience, though, just throwing you out there

funny for you to say this is my last chance to be town when that's actually the situation you're in right now, w/ me trying to sort your slot.

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@gin
that has nothing to do with you scumreading asphodel for activity whatsoever and everything to do with you paying attention to the gamestate with a powerful intention to gamesolve. it doesn't count for what i was looking for.

i did the same thing that game as well, you're hard to sort for me. remember all of d1 where i was scumreading you, then scumleaning you, then townreading you... ad infinitum. it took me ages to sort you out, which is partly why i've put it off this game until later but you went and made yourself a wagon didn't you.

thank you for quoting your aa case, i'm going over it now

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2189 is actually scummy as fuck
right out of the gate you speak as if aa is scum and what the world is like if that's the case. you're not speaking about how you react or read his posts, you're just straight out saying he's scum and working forwards with that. it's a subtle wording slip but i really think it points towards you mentally consigning the case towards 'ok i have to make a case about why aa is scum' as opposed to 'ok, i need to convince town that aa is scum'.

it's kinda hard for me to explain what i mean here so i hope it makes sense.

much the same for 2194. you don't type in a way that convinces me that you're scumhunting.

zach, point me towards more posts of gin's that i should read. put it right in front of me. please. i don't do well in this game unless i'm being reactionary.

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SEQUENCER

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GIN AND

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I will only forgive you post game if you're pushing a red coin.

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obvious fakeclaim in context.
you just sold yourself as scum, bro.

you've been slowly working your way up to putting everything on the line behind this lynch.

I will only forgive you post game if you're pushing a red coin.

"Lynch me and I'll dislike you as a person!"

This is your last chance to actually be town before I align you with him.

You want to rethink what you're saying?

"Lynch me and you'll get a scumread off of me!"

I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.

"Lynch me and I'll shoot you!"

You're flailing, and you're being incredibly survivalistic to do anything to stop your lynch. I don't buy your claim for one second.
VOTE: Gin

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I will only forgive you post game if you're pushing a red coin.

I know for a fact this is abject bullshit, because you're a pretty cool guy and we get along well. I know for a fact you wouldn't care -this- much about being lynched in a game.

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This needs to be lynched before dumb townies come along and unvote for "NEVER LYNCH CLAIMED PR D1 D:"

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You're currently voting Dreamer.

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All Alone, HS, Zach, can't pick a 4th but prolly a lurker.

I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.

That's complete bullshit. This is a threat to look townie. If you were actually content self-hammering, you'd already have self-hammered.

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vote me. please for fuck sake

Same as above! You have the power to do this, the only reason you're not is because your posted intention is not your true intention.

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You're not voting Gin, though.

You should be, however.

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oh i thought he self-hammered lol

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incredible heart-wrenching feeling of lynching town vig: invalidated!
looks like we need 3 more votes, guys.

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i thought you self-hammered, at which point there would be no reason to keep pretending like you were town unless you were memeing
so my amygdala got the better of me and pumped illogical fear throughout my entire system

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* #2218 I'm starting to see why a lot of people are townreading HS

out of all the things you could townread me over
you choose this
what the fuck lmao, not sure if read fabrication or just ???

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i was mostly memeing tbh, i just think it's absolutely fucking hilarious you cite that post in particular, idk why
probably because i'm a comedic genius and you reminded me of it

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You acting pissed off is a style? Cause I think you're kinda pissed off


And you should know people aren't receptive to that sort of attitude and we're playing the kind of game where how you say something is just as important as what you're saying and can be critical to whether or not it is received. Mafia is a social game. You know this way more than me



You are also aware that despite your efforts, people still have "meta" reads on you and other people believe them

Just a daily reminder of how futile our existence really is wink wink wink

Oh, I'm pissed off, but it's my choice to engage while pissed off instead of like, go do something else and come back at it with some joviality and "haha alisae you shitposter why you make me read so much? my eyes hurt!"

games are long and dynamic too, so, you'll often see many sides to drealmer in a game

yeah I don't know why ppl think they have meta reads on me

THEY NEED TO STOP THINKING THEY HAVE META-READS ON ME THEY DON'T

it really just hurts the game ):

meta-reads
lmao
meta-reads
where did i, your largest pusher, ever imply i had a meta-read on you
meta-reads
ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nice way to waive my argument aside, bro.

2388
well by the point of your case he'd already claimed scum so i kinda skimmed tbh. i'm genuinely sorry about that, i see you put a lot of effort into it.

2431
scumGin asks 'well give the mafia team a list of people we're allowed to nightkill to give my fakeclaim credibility'
this isn't a post an actual town vig makes, lynch this

dreamer's spat at titus is two things:
A. immature
B. scummy

i'd really rather lynch dreamer or gin today
@titus, you say that a slick lynch will re-contextualize the game because we get to flip a lurker and pick apart the intentions of the people on his wagon, but couldn't we do the exact same thing with a dreamer flip, with the added bonus of not having to put up with dreamer's shit anymore?

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oh fuck i missed two pages at the end there gimmie a sec luvs

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nothing of value was lost

i feel like pine is town

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^that too
this is where my initial townread of him comes from, because that's the same mentality i'm using for this game, but instead of 'activity' replace 'effort'

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there is absolutely no fucking way gin is town

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rb wave that magic 'gin is scum' wand harder, i wanna lynch scum