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[CloudKicker]

Gerry, dont you think what ssssnake have done is outside the scope of his scumplay? as in, he clearly towned so far ? I think he play has been extremely shallow

[Alisae]

How are these 2 dots connected?

Because that was literally the question I asked you - despite using a different word - to which you said you didn't think that far ahead.

rephrase for simplicity: Why would I do that?

rephrase for directness: What was my motivation for that action?

To make your "scumread" look worse.

[eagerSnake]

Gerry how did you read his ISO in less than a minute and critically think about it? Seems like an arbitrary reason you made for an arbirtrary read.

[PenguinPower]

To make your "scumread" look worse.

And how would that action make my scum read look worse?

[Alisae]

To make your "scumread" look worse.

And how would that action make my scum read look worse?

Because you would basicly demonstrate that they don't handle pressure well.

[PenguinPower]

Because you would basicly demonstrate that they don't handle pressure well.

So, you equate the ability to handle pressure to either town/scum? To clarify, town can handle pressure and scum cannot?

[gerryoat]

Gerry how did you read his ISO in less than a minute and critically think about it? Seems like an arbitrary reason you made for an arbirtrary read.

I'm a fast reader. But, I saw a good post and it made me want to see more of him and not just vote him

[Alisae]

Because you would basicly demonstrate that they don't handle pressure well.

So, you equate the ability to handle pressure to either town/scum? To clarify, town can handle pressure and scum cannot?

It's NAI and based on the players.
But freaking out over pressure because someone thinks you're scum doesn't exactly look good.

[PenguinPower]

Because you would basicly demonstrate that they don't handle pressure well.

So, you equate the ability to handle pressure to either town/scum? To clarify, town can handle pressure and scum cannot?

It's NAI and based on the players.
But freaking out over pressure because someone thinks you're scum doesn't exactly look good.

So, for CK, is it NAI or does it mean something?

Secondary: How does one decide whether it is NAI or it means something?

Tertiary: How does one, without prior knowledge of the player, decide whether it means something?

[Alisae]

1. Don't know.
2. If the frustration seems fake or genuine.
3. Depends on the player's prior actions. But if there is pressure on them, it's a good assumption to be assuming that someone is SRing them. If so, there has to be a reason why that player is being SR'd.
It's not how someone reacts to pressure that means if they are scum or not. There are other factors.

[gerryoat]

People should out their lynch pools for today

[CloudKicker]

deadline in 12 days, some slots hasnt participated enough its too soon

[Alisae]

{JarJar, Eager, Penguin} my lynch pool.

[XnadrojX]

Bad timezone+Busy life = less posting. Alright. Gerry is town, Ali is tow. Meanwhile,

CloudKicker I will quote your ISO and demolish every single one of your posts. I will fight you.

You do not act incredibly toxic after a page number here, and you do not fucking call everyone who scumread you scum. This person really pisses me off, and

I encourage everyone to vote this person for reasons i will now provide in my next post

.

[XnadrojX]

Spoiler: important Quotes Wall

Seems like you care about my vote, what alignement you think is behind that vote ?

Scum

lol nvm that i dont want to go into game related stuff yet

Filler+Scum+Doesn't want to talk bout game=Scum

odd lol not wrong, im also a goddam fucking god at gut read so no i dont need lot of infos

What the fuck?

Im exagering a bit but on site my hard reads are 80%+ correct so far

What the fuck?

yea HE TOWNSLIPED WHILE CLAIMING SCUM

SO SCUMMY

Hi Cloudie btw.
And Hi Garry.
so far I like Garry.
I don't like Cloudie tho.

why me

Your attempt at starting out as powertown comes off as LAMIST and weird coming from you even tho it was most likely definitely a joke.

lol was i starting as powertown and alisea i will be 100% honest here, ppl saying LAMIST are scummy

fucking sucks at the game

and doesnt understand what is ai or not at all, so dont take ur lessons from the wiki

uh, can you like, not, call people sucky when you're telling us you suck?

I have gerryboat in my pocket

What the Fuck?

First, i can do what i want.

Second, you can bet your ass im playing for my win con

scumclaim

I can lynch mefia while trolling all game if i want, its not of you to decide, is it

lol'd

I can lynch mefia while trolling all game if i want, its not of you to decide, is it

No. You can't troll all game. That's obfuscating. Town have no reason or motivation to obfuscate the whole game.

Only reason town do this is if they're intentionally trying to obfuscate their meta to not be read as scum. Which is indicative of poor and selfish play.

lol no

Fucking obvious sidestep.

its page 6, only 4 ppl have posted and im being asked to stop trolling, please

Pls noooo game related stuff yet, lets just have a nice time and wait for everyone to say hello

VOTE: CloudKicker

ftr i play with cloudkicker on another website he acts like that regardless of alignment lol

you had to say im town here, im not paying you to call me low key null

This is important, CK will try to coast on this.

VOTE: CloudKicker

Also, I will be sheeping eager for the remainder of the game as long as we start with CK.

Thanks, and I will see you tomorrow.

lol scumclaim VOTE: penguin ***

are you seriously that desperate to mislynch early

VOTE: CloudKicker

Also, I will be sheeping eager for the remainder of the game as long as we start with CK.

Thanks, and I will see you tomorrow.

Not a bad lynch; but, not the best lynch right now. I plan on revisiting the slot later. Giving BOTD since the game just started today.

Would like to hear from nadpool and xnadroj.

Why am i not a bad lynch, please explain your case on me in detail

Because you've been non-caring/serious the entire game, and furthermore have promoted this attitude to others.

Not alignement indicative, stop being incompetent and promoting bad reads and incompetence

>calling someone incompetent
>being a fucking retarded fuck

Dont ask me question when you already voted me and believe you have sorted my slot, you have no leverage

I... just....

Pls noooo game related stuff yet, lets just have a nice time and wait for everyone to say hello

VOTE: CloudKicker

ftr i play with cloudkicker on another website he acts like that regardless of alignment lol

Nah my vote is there because scum like to hide in the RVS stage and want it to go on for long period of time.

>RVS stage
>Didnt RV'd
>Scum for extending RV stage
>Im a fucking boss at mafia, i dont need to hide like a pussy in a seemingly NAI stage

This guy going to drag us down in the eventual LyLo.
VOTE: CloidKicker

I don't like arrogant people who claim 6k+ games after claiming 5k games in another game within the span of a few days. I also dislike people who arrogantly believe that their arrogant self can arrogantly decide who the scum is and expect others to believe you because you cover your arrogance badly. I'll make a better case back at home, phoneposting now. Gonna address everyone else later.

Also Gamma that avvie sucks.

Explicitly not an alignement indicative read, its again about my attitude.

VOTE: CloudKicker

Also, I will be sheeping eager for the remainder of the game as long as we start with CK.

Thanks, and I will see you tomorrow.

Havent outed a single reason why am i scum aligned

Pls noooo game related stuff yet, lets just have a nice time and wait for everyone to say hello

VOTE: CloudKicker

ftr i play with cloudkicker on another website he acts like that regardless of alignment lol

Nah my vote is there because scum like to hide in the RVS stage and want it to go on for long period of time.

Alisae's reason to vote me

Pls noooo game related stuff yet, lets just have a nice time and wait for everyone to say hello

VOTE: CloudKicker

ftr i play with cloudkicker on another website he acts like that regardless of alignment lol

Nah my vote is there because scum like to hide in the RVS stage and want it to go on for long period of time.

>RVS stage
>Didnt RV'd
>Scum for extending RV stage
>Im a fucking boss at mafia, i dont need to hide like a pussy in a seemingly NAI stage

Alisae's reason to vote me debunked, i did not participate in the RVS stage, how could i want to keep hiding in a stage i didnt participate in ? Hes still voting me and ignored my answer to his reason why he voted me

This wagon has no town motives behind, anyway not any expressed[/quote]

Well you're starting to become toxic at this point. Calling me incompetent and calling my reads bad... what are you even talking about? I hadn't even called you scum! I just said if you don't eventually start taking the game serious you're not a bad lynch. Which is true. People like that should be lynched repeatedly until they learn.

whyd you vote town then

Well you're starting to become toxic at this point. Calling me incompetent and calling my reads bad... what are you even talking about? I hadn't even called you scum! I just said if you don't eventually start taking the game serious you're not a bad lynch. Which is true. People like that should be lynched repeatedly until they learn.

i wont change my attitude, yall just will learn to read me

Because you've been non-caring/serious the entire game, and furthermore have promoted this attitude to others.

Not alignement indicative

Of course it is. People are trying to get the game going and ur purposefully trying to prevent it.

Anything that hurts or helps town is AI. You're hurting town.

lol, partypooper

"oh shit you revealed me as scum" that's literally what you said there.

''hurting town'' im pretty sure only gerry and i and mayby garm arent advocating for a ml rn

The town motive is to get rid of toxic player

BYE bye CloudKicker

you dont lynch toxic players, you lynchmafia. My win condition is when theres only town aligned players remaining, it doesnt say anything about toxic player, you look like a janitor third party with special win con

''hurting town'' im pretty sure only gerry and i and mayby garm arent advocating for a ml rn

You just weakly called me scum here. Bye.

i did, i think you called me scum about 20 times and still voting me, also you said you would give me BOTD and you voted me, you said you thought i was town, then you voted me

That doesn't give you grounds to be toxic

Even if you gave me the BOTD like you said you did and will say you did, the time lapse between the ''BOTD'' and me waiting to play seriously is just complete bullshit, theres no way you believe you ''gave me'' enough time to adjust my play as to be a serious poster and what not

Well youre pushing a ml, so your reads are objectively not town good reads, what is your problem me calling them bad reads, if ure town those are bad reads

So snake, do you think i am mafia aligned yes or no

you dont lynch toxic players, you lynchmafia.

True. But scum has a reason to be toxic. Town doesn't.

So when the it's early day 1 and the reasons to vote people are slim, who else should be voted for?

maybe you dont understand the motives behind, did you ask me ? uh oh, i dont think you did

another fucking sidestep. You're fucking stalling and fucking doing no shit to help town. If you're town,

THEN ANSWER THE FUCKING HINTED QUESTION

Half town has been lowkey throwing shade at me for nothing game related

>nothing game-related
>fucking side-stpes every fucking thing

Btw if gerry vote me hes confirmed mafia

I... Just.....

If you guys are okay with a lynch that is completly NAI, then good for you

No I'm not. I'm okay with a lynch for a shit player. I.E you.

And i am serious about this

I'm serious about lynching you.

Even if gerry might think i could be mafia, he would respect my play better than voting me and pushing me at L-1 for random noobs to hammer me

"if X thinks I'm mafia, he still doesn't have to vote me" Fucking get out.

Well youre pushing a ml, so your reads are objectively not town good reads, what is your problem me calling them bad reads, if ure town those are bad reads

I WASN'T EVEN PUSHING YOUR LYNCH WHEN YOU CALLED ME INCOMPETENT.

Lol. I even said you got a town role PM, but then you say my reads are bad. So what does that mean? That you're actually scum?

Twisting my words, what your purpose ?

He wasn't twisting your words. you're twisting his.
another fucking sidestep.

you dont lynch toxic players, you lynchmafia.

True. But scum has a reason to be toxic. Town doesn't.

So when the it's early day 1 and the reasons to vote people are slim, who else should be voted for?

maybe you dont understand the motives behind, did you ask me ? uh oh, i dont think you did

Eager sorta did:

Why are you being so damn difficult

But sure, I'll be more explicit.

Cloud, what is your motivation for acting toxic?

Not saying, but thanks for asking

>Not saying.
that's a fucking scumclaim right there.

"Because you've been non-caring/serious the entire game, and furthermore have promoted this attitude to others."

im not responsible for anyones else play, non-caring/serious isnt ai <- bad reads

did you just do that?

Well youre pushing a ml, so your reads are objectively not town good reads, what is your problem me calling them bad reads, if ure town those are bad reads

I WASN'T EVEN PUSHING YOUR LYNCH WHEN YOU CALLED ME INCOMPETENT.

Lol. I even said you got a town role PM, but then you say my reads are bad. So what does that mean? That you're actually scum?

So youre saying youre voting town, noted

So you're claiming scum? noted

Why dont you like the fact that im using the opinion of someone ive been playing for the last years hundreds of hours to fucking dig your stupid ass meta read on me ? PLEASE explain this cause im really gettin pissed ure hiding behind a meta read

I'm getting really pissed you're just calling everyone who votes you scum.

This is what that's not filler. First off, notice the ratio of Filler:Content. That's inherently scummy.

Now diving into what the content is, you spot a pattern. He sidesteps everything that could implicate him being scum.
He fucking stalls. He calls everyone who votes him scum and he believes he is the ultimate mafia player.
Now I will dismantle every reason he has to be arrogant.
He is being a fucking toxic user. This is the base argument. This inherently helps scum, it's PL worthy.
Next, he calls every valid reason on him NAI or bullshits it off.
Attacker:"You're not taking game seriously"
CloudKicker:"That's NAI"
Attacker:"You said X just now, but later you said you meant Y? Why?"
CloudKicker:"Don't twist my words"

He claims that most reads on him are unvalid/personal meta. Well take a long look at yourself.
Your reads are mostly OMGUS, you personally insult everyone who votes you, sidestep every fucking question that you can't answer, tries to force your reads on everyone, says that your reads are perfect while everyone else sucks?
Well let me break the news to you.

You are the bad player here

Reality hurts but you have to deal with it.
If you really are town,
stop being a hypocrite.
stop trying to show off.
stop being arrogant.

YOU

are the one with invalid reads

YOU

are the one who is incompetent

YOU

are the one who is dragging town down the most

Therefore, these reasons make

YOU

the most likely scum here.


TL;DR He's a hypocrite that's a bad player and trying to show off and act smart. He is OMGUSing everyone possible and spending less time scumreading and more time trying to coast by saying his reads are the best in game.

[XnadrojX]

I encourage everyone to lynch Cloudkicker. I also demand that CloudKicker

Reads the above post and defend himself WITHOUT SIDESTEPPING OR USING BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS. This is a serious case on you CloudKicker. Answer everything. If you say I twisted your words explain how and what you originally meant. If you said that stuff is NAI explain why both scuma nd town do it. if you say I'm misrepping you explain what you really mean. If you disagree with anything I say, provide

FULL REASONING

I have put my full effort into this case. I demand that CloudKicker puts in HIS full effort debunking it.

[XnadrojX]

I encourage everyone to lynch Cloudkicker. I also demand that CloudKicker

Reads the above post and defend himself WITHOUT SIDESTEPPING OR USING BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS. This is a serious case on you CloudKicker. Answer everything. If you say I twisted your words explain how and what you originally meant. If you said that stuff is NAI explain why both scuma nd town do it. if you say I'm misrepping you explain what you really mean. If you disagree with anything I say, provide

FULL REASONING

I have put my full effort into this case. I demand that CloudKicker puts in HIS full effort debunking it.

EBWOP

[XnadrojX]

Taking a break from CK case, Nadpool care to explain ANY of your reads? Especially the one where you wordlessly switch your vote to me and I magically appear in your scumpool all of a sudden?

[XnadrojX]

lynchpool is CloudKicker, Nadpool, CloudKicker, CLoudKicker, CloudKicker

[XnadrojX]

How is that useful?

Any that tells me to vote someone useful in rvs deserves a vote. It useful because it makes me feel better. Also why is your gamma vote useful in the same vain?

So people who are contributing deserve votes more than people who haven't yet?

That question doubles as an answer to your question.

So people who are contributing deserve votes more than people who haven't yet?

That question doubles as an answer to your question.

Contributing=/=town So your answer is you done nothing to show your town but contribute fluff ok.

Also you never answered why was your vote on gamma vote worthy?

I don't need a reason, but my reason is that he hasn't posted yet. That's why I said my question doubled as an answer.

It's also contrived to call my contributions fluff.

Actually what do you think you contributed?
If contributing is a town sign what happens when scum is contributing?
If scum don't contribute why don't they contribute to the conversation?
How does one make a useful vote in random voting stage?
How do you spot the difference between something not useful and useful in rvs?

It's called reading.

I don't need a reason, but my reason is that he hasn't posted yet. That's why I said my question doubled as an answer.

It's also contrived to call my contributions fluff.

But you haven't added a valid view on who's scum so it's fluff rvs is mostly fluff.

Also are you saying you can only vote people who haven't posted in rvs.

At that point jar jar didn't post so by your definition my vote is valid.


So why call it useless?

This argument spews Garmr town. As scum, he needn't go out of his way to push eagerSnake's buttons.
That's why I said Garmr town.

However eagerSnake's retort play is towny, trying to push Garmr's buttons back. As scum, it's far easier to sidestep the question and do townie things than to be involved in an argument that could implicate you.

[eagerSnake]

I concur.

[eagerSnake]

People should out their lynch pools for today

This is almost never a good idea

[eagerSnake]

Like, I have so many theories that my lynch pool consists of everyone right now.


Chew on this one: Alisae and gerryoat scum

[Nadpool]

UNVOTE:

[Sickofit1138]

Bump