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[Pine]

Scum have daychat, Pine can fuck off

VOTE: Pine

A grudge vote that's what

It's a fair Cop.

Dayvig Gin

DIE SUCKA

[Pine]

It's obviously fake. Gin and I have just come off of several games where I beat Town due to coordination in scum daychat. He's got reason to be paranoid about me.

Questioning the votes on him looked a little scummy, but pulling back in 54 was a bit of a strong towntell. He's one of the good guys this round.

VOTE: Alisae

Alisae is way too cavalier imo.

[Pine]

Okay, whatever.

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Creature

I let the jump onto Gin and I go because RVS, but that and the abrupt jump off looked super disingenuous.

#Out of RVS.

[Pine]

Debi are you an alt?

[Pine]

Checked Debi's post history. Definitely an alt. If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.

That's overthinking things to an absurd degree. I don't buy it.

FoS Debi

[Pine]

If she'd been a genuine newbie, I could let that go, but she isn't.

This is the part where I advocate for debi and say that it's their first game on site.

Her first post is to /in for this game, then a few here. Such a direct entrance, nothing in newbie, no confusion or questions, that isn't a newbie. It's an alt.

PEdit: That explains things somewhat, but your statistics nonsense is utter horsecrap, don't think that it's at all useful. What is,

is.

That kind of odds assessment is only really valid prior to randomization, after the fact it isn't.

PEdit2: Ircher, stop feeding the math troll.

[Pine]

Lil Uzi Vert, I don't think of Gin as a scum as of yet, all that I think of him, is as a bit suspicious. He isn't necessarily scum, but I'm mainly going after him on that point for an answer on that sole point, nothing more to be honest.

Pine, reading into it too deeply is good, always. I mean, first impressions count right?

Reading too deeply = trying too hard.

Yes, first impressions are important, and you're failing yours.

[Pine]

W/E I'll give Debi a pass for now. New to site is new to site.

Site culture is different here, Debi. Adapt.

[Pine]

Voting Creature because I disliked how he immediately assumed singleball and I hate how he immediately assumed scum theatre between Pine and Gin

Game has to leave RVS sometime. I don't think he's right about scum theatre but that doesn't make him scum. You don't think it's possible that Pine and Gin

could

be theatering?

Side note, excited about the table gathered for this game

Did you even bother to read the maths involved? Not only was it math but it was also telling a narrative that explains exactly how that shit wasn't scum theatre.


I mean you have a 0.006475% chance of being right and you're not going to get lucky.

Also RVS left a long time ago, don't know where you've been.

The problem with your math, and any probability math done after the fact, is that it's irrelevant. Ever hear the phrase "Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome?" It's like arguing that because you've gotten heads six times in a row that the odds of getting another is 1/128. Nope. Still 50%.

[Pine]

Yeah no shit.

How about them

Yankees

Creaturescum?

[Pine]

Obviously.

[Pine]

Yeah, the first 10 pages are pretty much crap. Lots of bullshitting around, some people talking about math and odds and nonsense.

Gin is probably Town, I caught what I think is a towntell.
Creature is looking like scum. Hard to pin down why, but looks...opportunistic? Like I said, hard to say with precision yet.
Debi is new to site but not to the notion of mafia, has some pretty ideas from other sites that won't work here
Dunno if you've played with Alisae yet, but she's weird and flaky (and I don't mean likely to need a replacement. PEdit: You found one of her things)

My advice is to read and find your own reads. It's not long.

PEdit2: Gin is probably Town. I wouldn't bet the game on it, but until something else tells me I'm wrong, I'm going with it.

[Pine]

Looks like scum theater.

Nah, I doubt this. I'm TRing Pine for that fake dayvig (assuming it is fake).

Dumbest townread reason I've ever read

Scum don't want that attention on themselves for doing a fake day vig if that makes sense?
It's not something I see scum doing.

Fake dayvig early D1 is a bit of a meme on this site.

Adapt.

[Pine]

Pine is town because hes being an antisocial loser which is how he plays town

I really want to take offense and tell you to fuck yourself but...kinda yeah.

Also, I somehow missed Debi's wallpost listing her reads. I skipped to mine (because ego) and laughed my ass off. I didn't bother reading the rest. I'm sorry, I have 14 posts in the six hours that the game has been open, yet somehow you're SRing me because you think I'm lurking? Seriously, go play Newbie games. You need to adapt.

[Pine]

I can't help but think of Camn

You think he acts like Camn?

I buddied the fuck out of Camn in Hunger Games and used her to manipulate Town. So much so that she's modding a "Camn's Revenge" game, centered on getting back at me. She's having me play as an Impotent Guilty Child Treestump. Should be fun.

He's having flashbacks to it because he's paranoid about me doing the same to him.

[Pine]

New word for today, children!

Can you say...priapism?

[Pine]

On a rare occasion, I have to look at other dudes' painfully swollen dicks in my capacity as a professional EMT. Priapism.

[Pine]

It isn't real.

Rb, I could go for a lynch on Alisae.

VOTE: Alisae

[Pine]

There is no Wraith wagon to speak of.

RB is Townish.

[Pine]

And when it's RVS with 10 votes required to lynch, that's just a friendly slapping about.

[Pine]

A man posting spiderman memes is so obv town we don't even need to question his motives.

can we please lynch gin and not alisae

Okay, rb, real talk. Tell me why Gin is scum. You keep talking about your murder priapism for him, but haven't said why yet, which is frustrating because I have a pretty strong TR on him.

I'm 100% okay with an Alisae lynch, even if it's a pretty quick one. I'm recently kind of coming around to the notion that long days, especially D1s, are completely counterproductive, so a lynch of Aliscum with some policy motive peppered in suits me just fine.

i doubt debi is scum unless rly good, but that kind of play is really hard to replicate as scum for an entire game so we'll see

Actually, I was thinking about this while playing Heroes of the Storm. Given offsite origin, I'm wondering whether all that wallposting and badmath is what passes for good scum smokescreening over there. Bad, pretty baseless reads covered by gaudy, overtly showy attempts to show "LOOK AT ME GAMESOLVING" suggests scum in context. Trying too hard.

VOTE: RB

No. Bad Gin. Stop it.

Going to bed. I look forward to spending ALL DAMN MORNING catching up to you spammy fuckers.

PEdit: OH LOOK. There were SEVEN posts while writing this. How unsurprising.

[Pine]

if rb townreads me your point on him is fine, but honestly I can't tell if he scumreads me or not.

He quite clearly scumreads you. Yet he refuses to vote you even though you're the leading wagon.

If I was the leading wagon and rb was scumreading me but fishing for a wagon elsewhere, what would that tell you about rb?

I kinda don't know, what is the conclusion you are leading me to?

From her position on the short end of a big wagon, this looks like appeasement. Town doesn't try to appease, they try to lynch their own reads. Overt willingness to follow is scummy

Okay bed now.

PEdit: I'd rather we stretched the day to 48ish hours at least, but I'm kind of okay with it. Pine of a year ago would immediately declare a jihad on me for saying so, but sometimes - only sometimes, mind you - discussion is counterproductive. D1 of a very large game is one of those sometimes.

[Pine]

From her position on the short end of a big wagon, this looks like appeasement. Town doesn't try to appease, they try to lynch their own reads

I'm tryng to lynch Wraith. He is my own scumread.

Yeah, not really. Your focus is so far from Wraith that I'd forgotten you were pushing him.

PEdit: Feel free to not buy it, but I'm reminded of Rolling in the Deep, from a few years ago. One of the longest D1s ever at the time, well over 100 pages, and we ended up deadlocked until a townie got himself modkilled. Bullshit discussion wasn't helpful. What was helpful, and what got the game really rolling, was seeing a couple of flips so those early reads had some context. Site meta for protracted discussion seems to have gotten worse over the last couple of years. The more people talk, the more calcified and entrenched opinions get, and people miss shit because it doesn't fit with their preconceptions.

So let's give it another day or so, get meaningful contributions from everyone, then lynch Alisae.

PEdit: Yeah, that entire post completely misrepresents what I said. Nice try though.

[Pine]

More appeasement.

Pro tip: Next time you want to be mistaken for Town, stick to your guns a little more.

[Pine]

Well, not to play devil's advocate, but multiball would hardly be surprising. It's pretty common with larger games. I'd been speculating (to myself) about it too, but there's no evidence either way.

Four and a half pages overnight. That's not too bad. Can't respond to everything right now, will later

[Pine]

I don't think Alisae is Town lynch bait. I think she's genuinely scum who's fucking up due to inexperience. Not all easy lynches are bad. Stop trying to make "easy=Town" a Truism, it just isn't.

[Pine]

Falling behind. I have to go to my in-laws for the evening. I'll catch up with this game some time this evening when I get home.

[Pine]

Alisae 168
Creature 86
TheRealGin-N-Tonic 85
-Grey- 62
Lil Uzi Vert 60
rb 57

Ircher 45
Human Sequencer 33
Dunnstral 28
Pine 27
Zachstralkita 25
Wraith 20

Debi 16
EchoVision 13
ssbm_Kyouko 9
All Alone 2
SlickDilinger 1
drealmerz7 1

I would deeply appreciate it if the bolded would shut the everloving fuck up a bit. We're barely more than a day into this game, and 30 pages in. That is ridiculous. I'm not asking you to stop contributing, or to start lurking, I'm just requesting that you be the slightest bit considerate. Some of us have real lives - jobs, spouses, children, and obligations. We are simply not capable of meaningfully keeping up with a game that moves this fast. Posting like an ADHD rabbit on speed is not helpful, it's obstructive. It isn't participating, it's excluding. Please take a step back, take a deep breath, stop bickering almost exclusively among the four or five of you, and wait for responses from the rest of us.

That said, the people in italics need to step it the fuck up. I get that it's the holidays. I get that you have shit to do. I work a 50-70 hour work week in emergency medicine. If you can't keep up with a fast game, replace out. If you can, do it.

[Pine]

I am temporarily V/LA. Very limited access next 24ish hours. Really it started today, but I thought I could handle it. I was wrong, with the pace of this and other obligations. This post is being made sitewide.

[Pine]

Is Senpine a play on words for Senpai? I'm not super jazzed about the memetic connotations of that, Ginhai

[Pine]

Back home from my thing the last two days, but it's 430 AM, and I don't have an hour to meaningfully engage this thread. I'll be here in the morning.

[Pine]

Pine get in this thread, you're the only EMT I know and Gamma needs a serious blood transfusion for how much town he's bleeding.

Trying to catch up. I should have a wallpost up this evening some time. A few hours, maybe? Reading a page or two in between daily stuff.

[Pine]

Yeah yeah, I know, I'll try to be concise.

[Pine]

@RB - I'm super behind, and at this point kind of resigned to catching up over night. Who should I be voting for?

[Pine]

VOTE: drealmerz

Blatantly sheeping the IC.

[Pine]

Wait, let me ISO drealz first. I recently got some insight into his scum/Town meta.

[Pine]

UNVOTE:

Alisae, you're just determined to be a negative Nancy, aren't you?

[Pine]

I wasn't sheeping anyone. I think you're scum, period. You've played the "I'm too obv" card today, so I can wait.

[Pine]

I wasn't sheeping anyone. I think you're scum, period. You've played the "I'm too obv" card today, so I can wait.

didnt you say you were sheeping the IC's vote like 4 posts back?

My read on Alisae is not sheeping. It's independent.

I somewhat flippantly asked RB who to vote for because I'm in too many fast games and I'm lazy. This game has slowed down, I've nearly got my bearings, so I'll be doing my own thing now.

[Pine]

VOTE: drealmerz

Blatantly sheeping the IC.

Wait, let me ISO drealz first. I recently got some insight into his scum/Town meta.

I'm sorry, Alisae, I must have missed your post between 1534 and 1535. It's almost as if I changed my mind without you saying a fucking thing.

[Pine]

I hate D1, Zach. In practically every game I've ever played, I'm way better and more interested D2 on. Cut me some slack.

[Pine]

This is what trying to give a flying fuck about this game is like.

[Pine]

So I thought Gin was the easiest to get lynched a while ago, but it then changed to Drealmerz. With evidence I'm happy to change my vote to any of the 4.

This sentence makes me uncomfortable

I approve of this product and/or service.

VOTE: Debi

[Pine]

LUV, the difference is that I am barely invested in this game. I don't care about it. I have no stake. I don't have an interesting role. There are interesting people here, but there's also an enormous volume of shit. I mean, out of more than 2400 posts, at least 60% of it is self-indulgent drivel. That makes a game unfun.

Large games like this often are intolerable D1. The first round of lynches and NKs usually clears out some of the idiots, and gives me a chance to give a shit.

Honestly, I'd be more than happy to just PL on D1 of most larges, but getting a bunch of people on this site to do something sensible is usually an exercise in futility.

PEdit: I've found that leashing the Vig and setting the Vig loose are both counterproductive. The former lets scum influence a second NK too much, and the latter puts too much power in one set of hands. I'd rather discuss with the alleged Vig a small (2-4) pool of candidates, and let them use their best judgment to make a shot.

PEdit2: No, Alisae. Your Vig meta is wrong. Vigs are responsible for their actions, but leashing them tightly is a bad idea.

[Pine]

Titus, are we friends here?

[Pine]

Pine, why not help with an SD wagon? Sensible policy lynch that tells us about the gamestate midday.

I vaguely recall something he did that was scummy, but can't remember what it was. Got a link handy? I'm lazy today.

PEdit: I like you in general. You're fun to play with, even when opposed. We should play more together.
PEdit2: Drealmerz is right, if we're going for an actual PL, it should be Alisae. Counterproductive shitposter with bad theory who struck me as genuinely scummy earlier.
PEdit3: LUV, it's just a D1 thing. I'll perk up from D2 on.

[Pine]

Pine I stopped shitposting a long time ago.

No, you didn't.

[Pine]

VOTE: Alisae

[Pine]

So we got Wraith, Texcat, Pine, and Drealmerz on my wagon again.
Good shit, soon someone will just be able to lynch from on my wagon

^Example of shitposting.

Shitposting is defined (at least by me) as vanity posting that has little or no positive impact on the game, done in absurd quantity.

The assertion that everyone on your wagon is either pitifully naive, unbelievably arrogant, or more likely just incredibly dumb. It's completely implausible, and vigorously unproductive.

This is why I'd like to PL you.

PEdit: As she says, Titus, I've been scumreading her all game. I'll take a strong SR of my own, seasoned with shitposting and baked in PL, over a weak secondhand read. I'll hear you out though. Make or link to a case on SD, please.

[Pine]

Yawn.

[Pine]

We're at 100 pages. Vote SD or explain why he's town. Enough petty vendetta posting.

I'm not vendetta voting. I genuinely SR Alisae, and have since the early part of the game. Do you TR her?

[Pine]

Only if 'bust' is code for 'Alisae'.

[Pine]

Aww, Titus. I thought we were friends in this game? Bullying me onto your wagon of choice is not what friends do.

[Pine]

^Seriously, Titus, if this isn't a scumvote I don't know what is.

[Pine]

it's not

It is when Alisae has practically no history of going after Slick. He's sheeping onto an easy wagon.

[Pine]

Haven't gotten answers from Zach, Creature, Ircher, Pine, Human, Human, Texcat, Wraith, Slick, Debi, Echo, Dunn, or AA. Busy day tomorrow, see ya'll when my day is over.

I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).

The two questions in case you forget are:

Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat

Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?

Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?

Q1: Debi can go.
Q2: I am increasingly feeling like Slick is an attempt at an easy mislynch. There was a really easy flashwagon on him earlier, and now he's a lazy compromise lynch? Yeah, that sounds like bait.

[Pine]

it's not

It is when Alisae has practically no history of going after Slick. He's sheeping onto an easy wagon.

Oh look, another lie.

Thanks for the prod reminder, I’m here.
Only been trying to watch things unfold.
Within this space it seems like there are already lots of strong personalities scum-hunting, so I don’t want to get in the way.
Not planning to change my vote until I’m more confident about it; I like drealmerz7’s work based on seeing more of his analysis and posts, but I don’t often have strong reads during day ones.

Hi
I'm scum
but let's not bring any attention to myself
and let's keep my vote on somene even tho I like their posts.

Hi have a good idea! Why don't we flashwagon this?
VOTE: SlickDilinger
Or someone can do a meta dive real quick, either work for me.

You seem to not comprehend what constitutes a lie. "Practically no history" does not mean "No history," especially when you hopped off of Slick shortly thereafter and didn't really pursue it. Alisae, you have voted for literally almost the entire player list, there aren't many people you don't have SOME history of it with. I was saying that you have little history of seriously pursuing Slick, and jumping on as a compromise is suspicious.

[Pine]

Which, in a thread that averages 10 pages a day, is NAI. The same could be said for me, my recent resurgence notwithstanding. I'm employing a modified replacement strategy, wherein I don't bother reading much of what I missed and just go ISO-diving when I need to with my trusty sidekick CTRL+F. That's how I know you were never really serious about Slick, and were opportunistically jumping on an easy wagon, then and now.

Titus, consider this exchange and my evolving suspicion that Slick is an easy mislynch push to be my (admittedly weak and speculative) Towncase on Slick. Come vote Alisae with me so we can be friends.

[Pine]

Dunn's building up a SR from me. Reminds me of his scumgame from the recently-completed Curse of Strahd game.

[Pine]

Alright, debi is town

or dumb telling hard

This. She'd likely know about RB from the scum thread (I checked, they have daychat). Dunn is also likely Town for pointing this out when he didn't need to. I love it when mild scumreads reverse themselves, it's tidy.

[Pine]

Titus, why are you so dead-set about Slick? I don't see a case, other than a lurker case.

[Pine]

Okay, so multiball sans SK.

VOTE: Alisae

PEdit: Obviously. Check your role PM.

[Pine]

^This is Town!Drealz

[Pine]

Incoherent Drealz = Town Drealz

[Pine]

In what universe?

[Pine]

Yep.

[Pine]

Ali is probably town because of how hard Tex was pushing him. Going back to this.

VOTE: Ircher

Ali is probably blue*scum because of how hard Tex was pushing. In multiball, scum's first objective is the opposing team.

*Or orange, or black, or whatever other color.

Okay, I was kinda worried I was wrong about Pine and that he doesn't play like this as scum, though, it now explains he's scum trying to not be lynched nor NKed by the other scumteam.

The good news is that if Pine isn't lynched today, the other scumteam will probably kill him now.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about.

[Pine]

I'm half a dozen pages behind, will catch up in the morning. I see something about maybe a claim?

UNVOTE: until I can evaluate it

[Pine]

Prodded

[Pine]

@Mod replace out please, with my apologies.