Open 665 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over! Town Victory!!!

[mozamis]

hey peeps
catching up...

[mozamis]

Vote : Mozamis

Obvscum, wagon ho.
Free town points for all participants.

VOTE: FANCYPANTS

OMGUS

[mozamis]

Hey guys.
I'm masons with Transcend.

I don't see how this is pro-town.

think he's prob joking?

[mozamis]

and hey empking
think I played with you a few years ago...

[mozamis]

and hey alisae

[mozamis]

not really loving the mason spec, it's not helpful.

[mozamis]

Alisae looks town though for trying to get reactions. Scum prefer to blend in, he is putting himself out there and trying to get game out of RVS.
so town i reckon.

[mozamis]

wow thanks Uzi -_-
Here, have a vote
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

@Hawk yeah but he seemed pissed off. frustrated town.

[mozamis]

Unvote

Reading Having as town.

Vote: Mozamis

- Hi.

Well, thanks for that.
Why and why?

[mozamis]

@ fancypants - i often find it easier to work out town and try for P.O.E. Anyway, Alisae looks town to me.
I don't get the grey wagon.

[mozamis]

i like borings name lol

[mozamis]

this game is slooooooooooow

[mozamis]

What don't you get in particular? I'd like to believe that I explained my thoughts okay. Did you just disagree?

i thought someone voted for him cos he said someting to the mod. i dont see how that was scummy.

[mozamis]

UNVOTE

catching up

[mozamis]

I'm not sure, but I think fancy pants is "tunnelling town". Gut feeling is he's slapped down a random vote on me, and then wants to believe he's struck gold. But he has at least tried to justify his position with different arguments, which suggests to me he is thinking about the game. Scum tunnelling i think would not bother coming up with different arguments. He could be clever scum, but for now he's gonna go into my tentative townpile.
Boring prob town - he is posting a lot, and they are all full of content and giving out reads.
@ Boring - I think we are at cross purposes. I thought people were voting grey becasue he was angry wih the mod. Where in fact you are voting for him because he dismissed Alisaes vote? Maybe my bad, whatever.

[mozamis]

It's also ;pinging that you clearly opted to avoid using the word 'town' when referring to those 5 people and instead went with 'figuring the game out'.

I think this is a bit of a reach. To me, it sounded like the guys playstyle, writing style.

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Uzi, why the King vote?

[mozamis]

I also like that he is putting pressure on people with no votes on them.

Not sure about this, scum sometimes just whack down votes where they feel theres unlikely to be a flip, it's a safe bet.

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where is fitz 'genuinely' scum hunting?

yeah, havent seen anything massively town yet fromFitz.

[mozamis]

mozamis, don't think I will let you slide on not taking a stance on the Ali vs. Grey 1v1.

Hang on, still catching up! Gut is telling me town on town. Most epic in thread fights always seem to be.

[mozamis]

Just look at his votes. I already ran him off my wagon once, but now that he has a little support he comes slinking back onto it.

You have to be ballsy scum to do that. The fact that Alisae keeps changing her mind suggests "flexible town" to my mind. Open minded. Scum prefer to slap down a vote and then slip away.

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@ grey NO. So ften i see these massive fights on day 1, and they are nearly always TvsT. Scum dont normally want to get so involved. They want to blend in, not have some epic fight. Stop OMGUSing and try and be open minded.

[mozamis]

Need more from a lot of people, but since he has given out "nervous scum" vibes, AND he is lurking:

VOTE CONMAN MICK

[mozamis]

What color is your t-shirt?

If it's anything besides the word that rhymes with shmorange, it's a scum claim.

I'm on a weird caffeine buzz/tired as hell (not a great move, kids! lol)
but i dont understand what you are talking about.

[mozamis]

What are people thinking about BlueBloodedToffee?

catching up. early on i thought he looked town.

[mozamis]

bit of a vague memory now, but he seemed questioning and engaged in the game.

[mozamis]

Can we just lynch King already?

No. I am sick of these rushed lynches, they ALWAYS end up in a mislynch. Why are you in such a rush anyway?
Maybe his vote on Ali was opportunistic. But I want to hear more from him before we just quick lynch him.

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@ Ali - why are you talking about the masons? I don't think it's a great idea.

[mozamis]

bit of a vague memory now, but he seemed questioning and engaged in the game.

Can you follow up after you've caught up to the present?

Got sidetracked earlier by coffee and music

[mozamis]

Doesn't change the fact that you're scum.

You seem really definite about this. How confident are you? I can see him being a bit suspect maybe. But you seemed to have gone onto overdrive on him.

[mozamis]

You're lying.

So do you think Uzi is scum?

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Why? You don't strike me as the type to handle scumspects with kid gloves, so your behavior isn't matching up with this post.

What are insinuating with this? Do you seriously suspect her as scum?

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So, he's obvious as scum, but he's also "cleverer than he gets credit for".

Yeah. That's not contradictory at all.

No, you've misunderstood i think. She said he was obvious as scum in his FIRST game as scum. But in GENERAL is clever. Implying over time he could develop into a decent scum player. That's what I got from it, anyway.

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@ boring - check out BBT's p188

Notice the way he doesnt sheep Hawk for town reading Fitz - to me, he gives the impression of someone who is thinking for himself, making his own judgements. Scum i think would be much more inclined just to sheep here i think.

[mozamis]

Catching up

any thoughts?

[mozamis]

catching up

[mozamis]

@ BBT - I agree that Hawk doesnt look "super-town". But where are you getting this "Hawk def. scum" stuff from?

[mozamis]

sorry ill yesterday. catching up.

[mozamis]

got sidetracked.
I doubt I'll hammer cos i thought you were town a few days ago, unless something drastic happened.

[mozamis]

I'm convinced BBT v Hawk is TvS. Can't figure out who the scum is in this situation.
So I'ma just sheep this
VOTE: Hawk

This is scummy as fuck.
"Lets give the hawk wagon real momentum and pretend its just derp!".
No. Opportunistic.

VOTE ALISAE

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I say that its his MO, because for me the few games I've played with Ali, this is how he plays.

yeah but he does he do that kinda vote above?

[mozamis]

ok so is the main case on BBT thta he contradicted himself about Hawk coasting?

[mozamis]

VOTE: BBT
Hawk's walls feel like they are coming from town but also the one thing I really hate about this push is how Hawk was called scummy by BBT for attempting to rebut his case.

ah ffs!

UNVOTE

[mozamis]

although, Ali, how did you go from voting Hawk to town reading him?

[mozamis]

VOTE: Moz

Hawk can be town now.

Where the fuck has this come from?
This really looks like deflection. "Hey, a lot of people seem to think Hawk is town now, so can i just blend in, and maybe vote Moz who alot of people have vague scum leans?"
Yeah I can see how your wagon got momentum.

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Like you're town reading me now that I've said I'd be okay to lynch Moz?? Why? You were 100% I was scum. Then a little later you were not so sure, and now that my wagon lost traction you 180 me and ask to lynch Moz??

Yeah agree with this.
However, she also thnks BBT is scum, and the way he just came out and said you were town to deflect from him seemed scummy, so i dont know about alisae.
Possible bus from him maybe?

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I'm convinced BBT v Hawk is TvS. Can't figure out who the scum is in this situation.
So I'ma just sheep this
VOTE: Hawk

Was this another shitty attempt at reaction testing?

yeah, please respond.

[mozamis]

Yeah i got that i didnt make myself clear. I meant that BBT seemed scummy for 180ing on you, and then Alisae voted BBT (after voting you) seemed scummy.

[mozamis]

People need to calm the fuck down. We still have 3 days to lynch.
We need more from BBT.
And I would like to hear more from Ali about her going from Hawk to BBT and unvoting and revoting etc.
I'll hammer BBT if necessary but i think we should hear more from him first.

[mozamis]

yeah think he's hammered. Kinda wanted to give the guy more time, but he's prob scum, so hopefully we're good. When it comes down to it, he's 180 on Hawk looked like massive BS.

[mozamis]

it looks awesome, love rainbows

[mozamis]

although that hotdog looks pretty fucking good as well lol

[mozamis]

think the mod has forgotten about us

[mozamis]

i was there! *excited face*

[mozamis]

this is THE INTERNET.
No one is allowed to have a nice or cute time

[mozamis]

"It's a lot like life" (Mozza)

[mozamis]

Why'd you think it could've been necessary for you to hammer BBT right after you've noticed people were attempting some kind of a speedlynch?

My hope was to give the guy time to defend himself a bit more. But if I didnt like what he said -and my gut was telling me by then he was prob scum - I was prepared to hammer him.

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Bleh that flip feels bad considering he stopped trying to defend himself.

yeah that "tell" needs to be binned, i had that in my last game. i got tired of being attacked as town and gave up. People will say "oh, never give up" but when you have peopl emindlessly tunnelling you, you can lose heart

[mozamis]

What ar epeoples thoughts on Ali/ She was town read for me most of Day 1, but her behaviour prelynch worried me

[mozamis]

Been going back over lynch. And I really don't like the way Fitz bailed out of the BBT lynch at the last minute. And this is his defence:

My vote was more from annoyance than suspicion. Wasn't that dedicated to it. So when Empire voted Ali SQUIRREL!!!!! I went back where I felt more suspect.

Looks like paniced scum to me.

VOTE HAVINGFITZ

[mozamis]

I'll wait for your flip before investigating further into scumreads since that's a big chuck of info.

what? you dont suspect anyone else?

[mozamis]

VOTE: Mozamis

Pretty sure I can put fitz in the town pile. This is where I want to be right now.

That's where you have been all game...
But thanks for the mindless tunnell!
You scum or derp town?

[mozamis]

I'd rather like VOTE: Moz

and thanks for the OMGUS!

[mozamis]

i voted for you early on, so it feels like that.

[mozamis]

grendel prob town
wrong, but prob town. faking that sort of shit as scum is hard.

[mozamis]

HERE IS AN ALL CAPS POST.

CAN YOU TWO KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF NOW?

This looks so fucking town.

[mozamis]

@ Grendal - I'm not sure what you mean by "policy lynch" re: BBT. Dont think he was policy lynched, so yeah?

[mozamis]

@ gren - you whacked me on your scum list or null scum list, whatever, so obviously i didnt like that.

[mozamis]

Are you not reading my posts?

ah that's my bad, i skimmed it and read the "what's wrong with my reads part". Not the bit where you SPECIFICALLY said apart from you not liking me bit DOH!

[mozamis]

Moz is still top scumread

actually, you can bugger off. You've vote parked on me all game. Which is as scummy as fuck.

VOTE SNOWMAN

[mozamis]

@ Alisae and Grey -guys, c'mon! whether you are town or scum or not, we're all having fun right?
Don't pull out, you both seem fun

[mozamis]

Awww reallyou don't replace out :/ I know it's kinda stagnant but the game isn't that bad right?

EXACTLY, I'VE BEEN IN FAR WORSE THAN THIS

[mozamis]

soz caps

[mozamis]

No need to replace me. I'll rejoin the game within 24h.

lets get humans input and anyone else who hasnt posted for a while before we do anything rash. we still have some time.
if someone could unvote me so scum dont come in and hammer.

[mozamis]

Someone just hammer Moz and then replacements might turn up overnight

this is either scum or really lazy town. if latter, get it together Mick!

[mozamis]

actually, fuck this.
It's going to come down to me and Alisae. Since I'm town, and she might be scum, this is the only logical move:

vote Alisae

[mozamis]

I'll have VOTE: Moz once more

i try and avoid the OMGUS. i hope i'm not doing that. but you have literally done NOTHING but park your vote on me all game. No attempt at finding scum whatsoever.
You're scum.

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doh forgot to vote

vote conmanmick

iso this scumfuck. he has done LITERALLY NOTHING ALL GAME TO FIND SCUM

[mozamis]

@mathblade well, what are your reasons for attacking fitz?

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Grey was looking more and more town with his argument with ali.
and mathblade is looking really fucking town. odds of him being scum have got to be pretty fucking small. he's in my town pile.

[mozamis]

So glad math is joining us but also math you post way too much xP

you could maybe post more?

[mozamis]

I've ignored Fitz and I've also ignored Anti for the most part.

why? you mean they are null for you, or not on your radar or what?

[mozamis]

You ignoring everyone is S.O.P.

what is S.O.P?

@ Lil - Fitz is still in my "possible scum" pile for his getting off BBT wagon after he expressly said he wanted a policy lynch. Still struggling to see town doing that. What do you reckon?

[mozamis]

Lexington.

[mozamis]

well fitz has been on my scum list for a while now so, yeah, lets do it.
Also, to me it sounds like Uzi knows something.

VOTE FITZ

[mozamis]

vote count once a real life day, please mod

[mozamis]

dont be fucking twats. i'm obv town.
fitz is scum.
also, just finished game with him in which he was scum. very similar to how he is playing here, same bland contentless style.
and what the fuck is "my claim is "i'm not scum"???!!!

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i really doubt he is scum.
why are you so certain about your reads?

[mozamis]

scum!luv kills hawk N2 100% of the time

no offence, but this sounds like some dodgy meta stuff.
scum in fitz, uzi, emp, conman, snowman. You're an outside possibilty. Yes, you've come in all guns blazing, but i want to see how you progress. It's relatively easy for scum to "hit the ground running", but to consistently post like you have...well, we'll see.
Mathblade is outside bet for me. again, I could see scum doing what he has done for a bit, but he just keeps churning out the posts. Still, no one is ruled out at this stage.

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Mason -> not claiming mason outright to avoid giving it away or getting partners outed

I just did that in my last game! It didnt go down well, i was roundly condemned lol Which also makes me suspcious of fitz. He's an experienced player and would know you should claim mason if you are a mason

[mozamis]

may be unavailable tomorrow.
i'm VT in case it gets that far.
lynch fitz after me if it comes to that.

[mozamis]

giga, uzi and math scumteam? Seems a long shot...
Normally overposters like giga are town, but occasionally you get "decent scum". Anyone know if giga is good enough to play like this as scum? Or math? I've never played with them before.

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fuck maybe I've got this all wrong. you and giga the scum on my wagon, not snowman or conman? at least those 2 seem open to debate and discussion, a town sign. fuck though giga did look very town. However, he does seem to be railroading town into a lynch with all his "game solved" bollocks. THIS GAME IS A LONG WAY FROM BEING SOLVED. I dunno. Maybe its just Uzi on my wagon. He's literally making no attempt to scum hunt at all. Maybe he's just waiting for his buddy mathblade to come in and hammer, and that's why he's so cocky?
uzi, mathblade and fitz? or giga? at least fitz seems a bit unsure and confused, a bit of a town tell. Giga's certainty is worrying.

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literally 1 townread is all i need to be 100% certain about my every move as town

No, when people ask you for reasons, you saying "becuase I am certain" is NOT an explanation, it's just affirmation/circular. That is scummy "logic".
Cutting through all of your long winded stuff, essentially all you have done since you have come in is go "yeah, game solved peeps, follow me!".
What utter bollocks.

VOTE GIGABYTE

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i have given my reasoning for my uzi townread

yeah but if you're scum with Uzi that means nothing.

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yeah prob not. he's been in my town pile most of the game. he's always been forthright with reads, a good sign. Probably me OMGUSing. try and avoid that, but it's hard when people start voting for you. Whatver. Giga, math, fitz then?

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where i implicitly imply knowing three conftown the whole game make

well thanks for "implicitly implying" LOL what the fuck is this scummy shit? I'm afraid you coming in, and going "nudge, nudge, wink, wink, i know who the masons are" MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

You're just trying to rush a lynch, and you give no reasons, you just assert "i've solved the game". That's not scum hunting, it's not questioning. You're scum.

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hang on why the fuck is Hawk getting a free pass?

[mozamis]

Hawk and King just lurking their way to victory?

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I still dont see why Giga cant be scum.
But I've been arguing for Fitz all game.

VOTE FITZ

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Not completely ruling out Giga but Anti's slot was fairly town.

@ Uzi gotta hope not, but what about giga and math? They're both experienced players. I will be FUCKING FURIOUS if they are taking the piss out of us.
Though grey looked really town so prob not i guess. Just not sure i love all this back and forth between them.

[mozamis]

For example, for this "scotch" to taste like scotch

get yourself some glenfiddich, man!

[mozamis]

fuck it, shall we all just get pissed lol

[mozamis]

good vote

buddying noted.
come on someone hammer fitz already.

[mozamis]

not fully caught up, but want to get down the basics before i get too lost.

1) Uzi and Snowman masons. Uzi has breadcrumbed to shit. He has comfirmed snowman. So snwman confirmed. So masons confirmed.
2)P.O.E scum in Giga, King, Hawk and Mathblade.

Probably in that order?

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Confirming.

Hawk is town for blatantly pointing out and publicly noting one of my crumbs.

@Uzi I'm not so sure. He could be scum and was trying to make you think he was town by pointing out your breadcrumb. Hawk is not confirmed. NO ONE IS CONFiRMED APART FROM MASONS. I've been here before where everyone treated someones Cop cliam as "confirmed". It wasn't, it was BS and town lost. We need to stay sharp.

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sorry lot of real life shit going on will get back to this soon.
dont lynch me, think its game over if we do?

[mozamis]

^ i made a catchup post for you moz

thanks Cabd! Since you're LITERALLY scum, it's complete shit lol

[mozamis]

actually

vote Giga

Uzi, Snow need you with me otherwise we are screwed
proper catch up later

[mozamis]

er shit sorry giga
obv your not cabd LOL! hah hah soz

[mozamis]

christ the WIFOM you are spreading is making my head hurt. stop spamming the thread with your BS and let the maosns talk.
I mean, gotta give you credit for making the effort, you are going the extra mile and making up some really creative shit. But essentially you are trying to drown the thread in BS and drown the masons out. No one is gonna fall for that.
Cos you are still scum.

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.1% chance your slot is town is like a hundred times greater than the .001%

lol at these numbers
classic scum sophistry make some bullshit up and try and present it as "fact". ooooo percentages how town of you LOL

[mozamis]

I'll give you a minute to look up the word "sophistry", I know your vocabulary LITERALLY consists of about 2 words.

[mozamis]

sorry i shouldnt be mean. you're a decent scum player but you have yet to write a coherent, stylistically pleasing sentence. Maybe maths is more your thing or something. We can't all have i style, i know :p

[mozamis]

not sure if its game over or not if i die
if it's not, my last reads:
scum giga and mathblade. Their recent interactions look like scum theatre to me.
leaving last scum between hawk, uzi and king. i have no real idea. i guess king although that's mainly cos the guys lurked the whole game. but lurking is NAI so fuck knows. maybe uzi. he makes sense with giga i guess.
however, lynch giga and math in that order then it should be work out.

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no fuck hang on uzi is mason

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ah fuck it i dont know lynch giga then mathblade.
then its hawk v king i guess.

[mozamis]

Moz I do what I want.

er of course. JUst giving out my reads. You look pretty town but its just p.o.e i think i thas to be giga and math. so then it comes down to you or king.unlike giga i'm not trying to bully people into a lynch, just giving out my reads.

[mozamis]

I probably should have replaced out but I couldn't think anyone replacing into mod confirmed scum would be fair :/

well played town!
and particularly welll played Giga, any (little) chance we had pretty much evaporated when you replaced in and played such a strong "obv town" game.

@Math - thanks for replacing in, you did really well, as good as grey. No one picked up on the mod confirming you as scum (WTF LOL?!), so glad you didnt replace out.
Brief overview: An underpar scum team (I suck as scum, obviously, and emp wasnt around much...) got roundly beaten by a decent town team.
We were bad at mason hunting, and that cost us the game. ALTHOUGH ME AND EMP BOTH WANTED UZI FOR THE NK, AND WE SETTLED ON GRENDAL DOH! That was the turning point, killing grendal was a big mistake.
If the masons had been more involved we probably would have been thrashed. As it is, I think considering the weakness of the scum team, we did pretty well.
Our best player bailed as well, which didnt help.
But well played town! Confirms once again that old mafia saying: "Scum always win, except when Moz is scum".

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Math you should have taken my advice from n1 on n2

why are you posting now? Its a bit late...

[mozamis]

early on you were in the background a lot and your townreads were pretty lazy

i'm just shit as scum

[mozamis]

In post 47, mozamis wrote:
hey peeps
catching up...



i think this is my favorite post in the game tbh

moz how serious was this lmao

it was meant to be serious lol
It was me "replicating meta". I was aware that is my standard opening line as town, so i did that out of nervousness. As you say, dumb, as there were about 5 posts at that point - BIG catch up lol

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scum topic

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I wanted Uzi NIGHT ONE.

You said about Boring and Uzi "i'd bank on the first two" .
You didnt push uzi very hard.
I dont want yet another pissing contest with you. You played really well. You shouldnt have bailed on us though. Poor show.

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Also Giga you were like the best replace in ever by the way. Obvtown plus quick easy game logic made the last three days so much easier on me. Thank you.

This.
Sorry if i was a bit harsh on you giga. You were posting well! I was just fed up that you had come in and essentially solved the game lol

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I think your play was fine Grey.

In fact, his play was pretty good, which made the replace out a shame. Look out at how he stood with Alisae, and most people were swaying towards grey. Obviously, he had other stuff going on, but he was our strongest player.
Hey ho. Ironically, Mathblade was probably as good as grey, but it was a tough replace in.
Anyway, gg people!

[mozamis]

Dear Mod,
I hope you are well. Weather bit shit here, big ol' storm blowing down Blighty way.
But anyway, thanks for the game!
Just to say:
1)More VC's please!
2) Please dont banter with players! That sounds dull, I know, but ANYTHING you say might give the game away.
Cheers!
Yours sincerely,
Mozamis.

[mozamis]

Scum play is more fun lol.

yeah its weird, even tho i suck at it, in some ways i enjoed this game more. Kinda more suspenseful, and at the same time less emotional.
Also, i found the longer the game went on, the more i got into it. Yeah i was dead meat, but it was fun seeing how long i could last, and some of the BS is fun. Like no one went for it, but i tried to suggest that i knew Giga was Cabd from the scum quick topic and i had slipped LOL no one noticed lol

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er shit sorry giga
obv your not cabd LOL! hah hah soz

lol

[mozamis]

actually tbh i initially thought you WERE Cabd.
Because you both like using the phrase "Literally" (tho' as i realised, so do a lot of people lol)
Then i thought, "yeah, lets make it a fake PT slip" with that post i just quoted.
Pathetic really lol but i was drowning!

[mozamis]

scum topic

I don't mind releasing it but please in the future ask. Some games I don't want the PT released.

shit good call sorry

[mozamis]

lol still no mod