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GuessIn post 47, Lemons wrote:Serious vote or RVS?-
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This is a scumpost.In post 37, Road Kamelot wrote:actually why not
VOTE: karnos
Rbs response to charlouxs joke is eh
Charlouxs response is logical if tryhard
also karnos discussin setup play like it matters d1 is kinda lol-
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This also feels like she knows rb is town.In post 59, Road Kamelot wrote:rb noah fence but this logic doesnt make any sense and youre missing that charlouxs initial scumread post was a blatant joke
even if youre scumreading him for his tone and responses, which is fine u do you, dont pretend this logic holds water
-Logic makes no sense - is that not why we scumread people? lol
-You somehow know he missed the joke and isn't scum misrepping
-Throws the biggest benefit of the doubt I've ever seen like, where did rb talk about tone at all
-Doesn't care if he keeps pushing him but doesn't think it holds water --- what
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He did say he 'thinks' he knows what you're getting at. He doesn't though, because he's probably town, get what I'm saying?In post 70, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm not sold on scum!karnos but I don't like how his reaction in 52 was to try to peg me for some kind of hypocrisy so I'm trying to get more there if/when he answers my questions
why is 37 a scumpost?
It's a tell. And it's also trying very hard to look like it's saying something but is only saying one thing.
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I scumread people for bad logic, it just depends on whether I feel like it could possibly come from a townmindset. Which ties into my second point where you saying rb's push makes no sense because he missed a 'blatant joke' seem to come from an informed perspective.In post 73, Road Kamelot wrote:1-I townread bad logic lol, who scumreads people based on bad logic anymore
2- i dunno if he missed the joke or not im saying it was missing from his analysis and how hes approaching the situation
3- Charloux's tone and responses are scummy thats why i said it, idk if thats what rb is picking up on or not
4- its early day 1 i dont care who pushes who
What's scummy about charloux's responses? Kid seems to definitely have a unique tone, I'll give you that one.
It's also not about who's pushing who. It's about how you approached rb's push.
How would an answer to this question give you a better read on karnos' alignment?In post 77, Charloux wrote:@Karnos: Did you put yourself deliberately in 35, or by accident?
Why are you townreading a clear misrep/misunderstanding?In post 81, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't think 40 was proved to be inaccurate, the setup spec point doesn't matter nearly as much as your point about karnos defending himself against an accusation that hasn't happened. And everything else in 58 is exactly my problem with what karnos did. I'm on the same wavelength as you and it looks to me like you're trying to sort people. That's enough for a D1 early TR
RK fluffed about how it's 'lol' for karnos to discuss setup already, accompanied by a vote in the same post it's forgivable for karnos to explain his thought process on why he talked about setup. also the )))))) is scummy af there tell me it isn't.
And let's take a step back here a moment. You're townreading RK for a similar wavelength on karnos doesn't make a lot of sense when you consider that she voted karnos initially for being lamist.
Your push on karnos was a touch more lateral than that (and implying you can get guiltied is as far from lamist as you can get), so it's naive of you to tr that for bringing up your literal points later on when they could have just as easily shadowed your thoughts as scum as well.
Where are you seeing sorting?
Why?In post 98, BTD6_maker wrote:It's mostly RVS here.
Anyway, I basically looked at Karnos vs. GuiltyLion. I don't have much time at the moment but what I will say is that it is GuiltyLion that looks slightly worse from the interactions.
You didn't respond to my case, though. Yes him discrediting rb's push before it really went anywhere while also giving it more steam and at the same time looking a lot like he knew the push was coming from a townmindset despite having shaky reasoning was bad, but 37 is still a scumpost.In post 121, GuiltyLion wrote:with respect to culted, I thought his case on RK was weak and made to misrep RK rather than coming from genuine intentions and thought process.
No he's asking you to consider a world where he's town making this push on you, from what I've read.In post 123, karnos wrote:
So are you asking me to claim on day 1 when I'm not even at L-1?In post 122, GuiltyLion wrote: if karnos is town he needs to stop trying to play bullshit WIFOM plans and needs to play openly and straighforwardly-
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Right the point is lion's townreading you for it.In post 133, Road Kamelot wrote:Exam today, whooooooooo ill get back to this soon
culted its def forgivable thatd be why i conceded the point like it was my b for sure. on karnos i mean
whats scummy abt ;;;; ) tho like thats reaching af
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Where's the resistance to guiltylion? Why do you think either of them are scum?In post 137, BTD6_maker wrote:Still mostly RVS.
Not much that is actually AI has come out of this. The strongest thing I have got is that with GL vs. Karnos, Karnos had less resistance to the wagon making me think scum were trying to resist GL's wagon. It's RVS so it's still incredibly weak and scum could be doing anything.
GuiltyLion comes out as nullscum from this. Everyone else seems fully null.
I know I am not posting much here but I am starting to feel that there is not much to say, as pretty much nothing is AI or worth commenting on at this stage.-
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Do you think it's wise to assume he's telling the truth when he could have easily used your question to manufacture a narrative where he said that on purpose?In post 144, Charloux wrote:Assuming what he said was the truth, him saying "Lynch me if i'm guilty" deliberately is towny in my opinion. He also added that he regrets doing it, but i don't think he said that because of GL pushing him making me townread him a bit more.
Feel like you're throwing him an awfully large bone here.
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Because I'm town.In post 145, Road Kamelot wrote:culted why are you so involved with how other players are forming reads
Nice shade here.RK wrote:also in general just butting into a lot of conversations before they can resolve-
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Sometimes it's you bud.In post 174, Charloux wrote:Im not frustrated, im pissed off.
Here are my demands or ill become a pseudo lyncher/jester
1) rb takes this game seriously, uses his brain and does something that has value.
2)rk explaines her read on me and apologizes for spitting in my face when i asked her earlier.
@culted: why is me scumreading somebody who is gutvoting me scummy? Why is it scummy for me to be open with my thought process?
How could anyone think that you're scummy for scumreading someone. I wanted you to go into why you thought the naked vote was scummy not throw me some obvious bs about you wanting to hammer if their wagon got to L-1.
Then you get cheeky with me about asking filler questions like, why should I want to work with you if you're not gonna try and work with me and I ask again; if you have scumreads why aren't you voting for them?-
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That's a pretty boring angle to push. You can read the post you just quoted.In post 199, GuiltyLion wrote:I kinda think Charloux is town tbh, like can someone who is scumreading the "fake" frustration break down for me why it's fake and not genuine?
karnos is still scum. It's frustrating that he's gonna just post one-liners like 179, ignore everything else going on, and you all are letting him off the hook for it.
culted's kinda making me paranoid too, like the stuff he's been saying as of my last post is pro-town and makes complete sense but it's really on the pulse about what's going on, like he's being extremely diligent to pay attention to what people are saying and he's really perceptive of the general threads of conversation. I want to push on this:
Why exactly do you think Charloux is scum? Is it something more than "not voting a scumread"?In post 158, culted wrote:Naked votes aren't always scummy. Unless you're one of those robots who scumreads things irregardless of context then more power to ya.
That's also a terrible excuse to not vote a scumread.
VOTE: Charloux
Also, can you show me some examples of RK sorting the game? Seems odd of you to miss my questions to you since it looks like you're paying pretty close attention to me.-
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In post 203, GuiltyLion wrote:like are you both seriously asking me to just explain why I'm town? What use is that to either of you? How is that a helpful question?
How are you exactly reading BTD's push on you here? Hard to tell.In post 205, GuiltyLion wrote: omg the semantics
That's a lot of words for an OMGUS read.In post 216, GuiltyLion wrote:Also, this post in general is not at all town motivated. I will flip green. If karnos is town he is literally chaining mislynches. Only scum has incentive to be so bullheaded in their push that they wager their own lynch on it. If karnos were town I would expect him to be a little more uncertain. like I keep saying, I still don't understand why he thinks I'm scum, and he constantly refuses to answer.-
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Yea.In post 354, karnos wrote:
Are you saying that you approach the game differently if there are 2 scum, vs a game with 3 scum or 4 scum?In post 343, culted wrote:tl;dr he isn't approaching reads from a mindset of sorting a two mafia game if that makes sense.
Take a look yourself and see if you see what I mean.
Inquisitive tone + not so inquisitive questions.In post 362, Lemons wrote:
Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then?In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.
And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?
Btd has posted content what is your read on that?In post 366, Charloux wrote:Btd is constantly in VLA mode and still in RVS from what i can see. No point discussing him before january 5th
My scumread on RK was centered around her motivation and behaviour concerning her vote on me. Dark made 11 NAI posts so far. Surprised nobody asked him about 293 though. For all i know, he just repeated the names of the 3 most scumread people at the time without any opinion.
This is basically poe more or less right now.
What was scummy about the behavior of the vote on you?
And if dark's posts are all nai, then why does it feel like you think his reads are just the scummiest people?
Why don't you like me?In post 368, Darkshadow64540 wrote:My current reads:
BTD6_maker - v/la makes it a pain to read...
Lemons - currently town
Charloux - slight scum read
culted - I don't like you but not quite scum
karnos - SCUM
rb - TOWN
Would you like to ask me a question? I like questions.
What am I missing with karnos?In post 372, rb wrote:I'm actually so bad at this game rn.
I wish I had better reads, I don't. RK/Charloux are my top scumreads atm, that's literally it and that doesn't even make a lot of sense as a scumteam necessarily.
What's your read on lemon?
I think that you're scum.In post 373, karnos wrote:My feeling is that when the game gets like this, it's because scum is perfectly happy with the way the votes are going and they don't feel any need to play actively and try to steer wagons.
In other words: Charloux is probably town. OTOH, we do have over a week until deadline, so scum could just be slow-playing as well, and the holiday is probably a legitimate reason for many players to be absent.
I wanted to see lemons flip because I'm pretty confident the early wagon on me was scum pushed. Since scum were kind enough to flip GL for me that leaves lemons as the next obvious possibility. Then again, I could see scum strategically killing GL, thinking I would push lemons next- which would make lemons town. Maybe I just had a bunch of bad reads on day 1. But... I would expect at least one scum would be willing to push lemons along with me if that thinking is right, maybe the lack of willingness to jump on his wagon is because he *is* scum. Too much WIFOM.
Anyway, gotta get the game moving.
Blatant OMGUS- VOTE: culted Explain your push on me.
Even your process on reads in this very post is just so processed. It's just like your whole thesis behind the scum kills and the entire universe revolves around your reads and you're moving on from a push because nobody is sheeping you without trying to sell your case anywhere and concluding taht scum would clearly vote with you seems a contrived move away.
Also you just blatantly omgus'd me and not in the town kinda way in the "lolz I'm scum and don't gaf" kinda way.-
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I find darkshadow difficult to process.
Yea I'm still down to policy lynch charloux. And I don't usually get down with that so that should say a lot.In post 387, karnos wrote:
My other scum read at this point was culted.In post 311, karnos wrote:
Lemons is #2. Don't feel like revealing the other one just yet, because it's not too strong of a read and I feel pretty confident that least one of GL & LEmons is scum.In post 310, Charloux wrote:We have 28 more hours till the deadline. Who are your other scumreads apart from GL?
RVS vote on RK, followed by a strong push on RK. I see this from scum a lot, since they aren't actually scum hunting they just pick someone to try to lynch, and more often than not it's just whoever they RVSed.
Later, culted switches to Charloux with very little reasoning in 158 - apparently the reason for voting is that Charloux hasn't placed a vote on his scum read.
160 feels like scum adding some plausible deniability in case the wagon does hit a lynch "Tempted to unvote because it feels like genuine frustration but at the same time I don't ever want that in lylo." In other words, culted thinks charloux is town but wants to lynch him anyway.
Yet he doesn't unvote, and then goes VL/A for the rest of the game day. Classic scum strategy- start up a wagon/push, then go afk and when the flip comes up green you blame the player who hammered.
Culted came back to naked vote me in 332, but that was after I was already reading him as scum.
That said he hasn't really looked all that scummy recently and he did start playing the game a bit more. I'll give him an iso after I get caught up here and let you guys know if I'm feeling a hammer or not. : 3
You can't revitalize a game by yourself unfortunately and these reads are hard to engage at all.In post 389, Darkshadow64540 wrote:BTD6_maker - v/la makes it a pain to read, I hope like hell you get active real fast because this game is just painful
Lemons - currently town but you really need to get involved more
Charloux - that last post, I want to lynch you just for that... that said you are likely scum
culted - I'm liking you a bit more, you are now an even neutral, please keep it up
karnos - SCUM, and nothing you have said has changed that.
rb - Oh wow, please for the love of god drop the awful attempts at humor, you went from a town read to a mild scum read
I admit I haven't been very active myself, this is only my 2nd game and I'm not really sure how to lead a town with no active players...
I also reiterate my intent to vote Charloux but am only holding back to avoid a quick lynch as my vote puts them at L-1
What did you initially 'not like' about me I don't think you've answered this yet.
Charloux has given reads if I recall. What do you think of them?In post 395, rb wrote:VOTE: Charloux
yeah the more i think about it the more it makes zero sense for Charloux to be playing this super duper non-committal and giving zero-reads type of game if he's town.
i'm just being put off by ArcAngel flipping dogshit town on day 1
What was his point? Why does that make him scum?
This is a SCUMPOST. Particularly the bolded sentences together do not really 'flow' and make the thoughts seem fabricated.In post 415, BTD6_maker wrote:I have read it in more detail, and it looks like Charloux actually seemed more Townish on a reread.I get the sense that Charloux is showing genuine frustration. However, after the GL kill I seem a bit more inclined to scumread Karnos.It seems plausible that Karnos suspected that GL would push him later after AA9 flipped. Karnos is mainly scummy after Day 1 (I suspected GL at first, but he flipped Town so Karnos being scum is more plausible).
VOTE: Karnos
rb please don't be scum.In post 429, keyXrb wrote:i mean culted could be scum but woudl anyone lynch them? i can't find a good reason to call them scum but i can't find a good reason to call them town either and that's where nullscum usually is, someone talk to me abouty CuLTeDD ADAD d D
Yea I don't think town!btd would be this hesitant and give me this much benefit of the doubt here especially considering his followup a few posts down.In post 433, BTD6_maker wrote:Yet again a naked vote without reasoning. If you had any reasons for your vote, explaining them would be a good idea. If not, unvote.
Hope you're doing well sorry to hear you're in the hospital.In post 434, Charloux wrote:Finally got internet access! In the hospital... I just want to complain on my bad luck sorry.
1)D1 he commented on AA and talked with GL a bit. Nothing really stood out as far as i'm concerned. Nothing on D2 apart from forcing Karnos to claim. Nothing in his posts are AI, everything can be easily faked as scum.In post 382, culted wrote:In post 366, Charloux wrote:Btd is constantly in VLA mode and still in RVS from what i can see. No point discussing him before january 5th
My scumread on RK was centered around her motivation and behaviour concerning her vote on me. Dark made 11 NAI posts so far. Surprised nobody asked him about 293 though. For all i know, he just repeated the names of the 3 most scumread people at the time without any opinion.
This is basically poe more or less right now.
1)Btd has posted content what is your read on that?
2)What was scummy about the behavior of the vote on you?
3)And if dark's posts are all nai, then why does it feel like you think his reads are just the scummiest people?
2)Didn't want to talk to me about the vote. I think this is reason enough to scumread her. Also looked opportunistic AF from MPOV.
3)He gave his emotional opinion, not reads. and "reads" with "" was meant to imply i was sarcastic. I can see scum motivation from his votes though. Forcing Karnos to claim and putting me to L-1 only after he had no more alternatives for pushing.
@Karnos: I though you hinted that you got a guilty on Lemons last night, but didnt want to claim >.<
How do you find what interested btd day 1 (what little there was) considering the flips and recent things?
Like how it's only after rb says he isn't townreading me that btd puts on a pair of pants. karnos wagon stalling is because your scumfuck vote is on it. : 3In post 435, BTD6_maker wrote:
I would be willing to consider Culted but only if he refuses to give a good reason for his naked vote on me. The Karnos wagon seems to have stalled.In post 429, keyXrb wrote:i mean culted could be scum but woudl anyone lynch them? i can't find a good reason to call them scum but i can't find a good reason to call them town either and that's where nullscum usually is, someone talk to me abouty CuLTeDD ADAD d D
Also what town assumes that someone has this spectacular reason for voting them to this extent?
Seems more like scum who wants to piddle around and see if he can make me change my mind before omgusing tbh.
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Btd flips scum 99/100 times.
Darkshadow is completely meh.
I almost wanna scumread rb because his push on charloux isn't even fair in spots like I just iso'd charloux and he's been giving good thoughts consistently so sring him for not providing reads sucks.
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So what's the word?In post 444, rb wrote:Alright I'll read Lemons and report back-
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Stalling as far as what?In post 451, Darkshadow64540 wrote:His posts are severely lacking, I'm getting a feel that he's stalling.
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Where have I heard this before....In post 457, Darkshadow64540 wrote:159 was the first red flag, it feels like a game of chicken and is very anti-town, then the sudden lack of posting as soon as the heat was off him, finally the magical Internet connection.-
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Seems to be consistently lurking across the entire site so I wonder why you think he's stalling out this game specifically?In post 458, Darkshadow64540 wrote:And by stalling I mean putting in just enough effort to appear active but is really just running out the clock.-
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I was thinking more that he immediately honed in and GL and karnos duking it out (which now we can safely assume was tvt) and it looks rather bad because he went of gl for the soul purpose of more people being apt to take Guilty's side in the argument.In post 459, Charloux wrote:His sole focus was on GL and AA. AA's focus is logical for both alignments. I thought GL was obvtown and a possible PR, so his scumlean on GL seemed irrational to me. The thing that interest me the most is his lack of opinion on my behavior. Dont know what to think of it though
That's scum for a couple different reasons. Trying to capitalize off of a tvt to start with, but weighing his options via which path would make him look less opportunistic. This is enhanced further by him not responding to my question(s) pertaining about why either of them were scummy and why he created that dichotomy in the first place.
And yes I sorta forgot about the AA wagon but it's kinda tough to gleam anything from that because just about everyone in the game was down to lynch that and they didn't post any content at all really.
This is like the second time I've asked you for a read on BTD and the second time where you've not had an opinion but could talk about stuff that he's done. Are you scum with him or are yougonna vote him already?
Here's a better question. You think that dark is the scum pushing you. Are scum more likely to repeatedly give stances and say you're scummy in everypost or say it once and then coast out the day?In post 460, Charloux wrote:
My turn to look at everything as scummy!In post 457, Darkshadow64540 wrote:159 was the first red flag, it feels like a game of chicken and is very anti-town, then the sudden lack of posting as soon as the heat was off him, finally the magical Internet connection.
You only went with the flow so far, focusing on those who were generally scumread. Posting tons of one-liners to look like you are very active. Attacking the gameplay rather than posts because you got nothing concrete. Using psychological tricks to make me look more scummy(If you repeat the same thing over and over, the others are more likely to see it as the truth). Doesn't put me to L-1 until he has no other options available for a mislynch.
Agreed with most of this here but the activity stuff. If BTD's content was at all town I probably wouldn't lynch him just for having a spotting presence.In post 461, karnos wrote:I think BTD is a decent choice of lynch today, he hasn't been acting very towny IMO. Prefer to lynch BTD over Charloux. Lemons is also on my bad list, but I think BTD's recent play has proven even worse. Culted is looking better, especially if BTD flips red.
I hate how BTD suddenly came out from being lurky when he had a little pressure, and then vanished for a time after putting my at L-1 without acknowledging. I admit I have done similar in other games on day 1 RVS type situations, but this late into day 2 and the game demands more careful play.
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I actually wasn't implying BTD there he actually turned around his read on you to town if you hadn't noticed.In post 466, Charloux wrote:Depends on the personality and the circumstances. Personality vise i think he is more likely to push rather than coast. And if Btd is scum he has one more reason to push the only other guy apart from his partner.
I'm not going to be doing any meta-diving but it's safe to call this a red flag but it doesn't just extend to lemons -- he really didn't have any opinion on myself or road kamelot either. And still doesn't really -- unless you count "I'm gonna vote you unless your explain your vote" as a stance.In post 471, karnos wrote:Of note: absolutely zero mention of lemons in his entire iso. I hate digging through other games but if someone else wants to do the work I'm curious if BTD's scum meta usually ignores his partners like that.-
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Unnatural thoughts are a good scum indicator yea. You've seemed to miss a lot of the other things I said.BTD6_maker wrote:Do you really think this can make someone obvscum?
Why was karnos scummier than me at that particular time?BTD6_maker wrote:Secondly, the reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt was that before seeing your reasoning, I was more convinced about Karnos than you. 435 made sense as a reply to keyXrb given my 433.-
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@Lemons
Your question assumes that I completely trust karnos' word. This isn't a luxury that I can have.
Do I feel like he's more likely to be town?
Did I, after taking the omgus goggles off, looking at his recent gamesolving and reevaluating the game realize that his wavelength is pretty similar to my own?
The answer to those questions is yes.-
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Reading the thread. Reading iso's. Changing my mind.
How did this question make any sense to you?In post 486, Lemons wrote:And why are BTD's 'unnatural thoughts' scum (415), but karnos' are now town(373)?
I'm not an infalliable robot scumhunter and I can have thought karnos had some very self-centered and omgusy thoughts at one point in the game and think that he's town now. WHile also thinking that Btdmaker's thoughts that happen to look unnatural may carry more scum-motive given........
New content, time going by, understanding that not everything exists in a vacuum.
My read on BTD is based on his entire presence in this game so far in.In post 486, Lemons wrote:Your entire read on BTD seems to be based on his wording (439), which is apparently a bad scum indicator for you since you used that for your read on karnos as well (382), and his supposed capitalizing on what 'now we can safely assume was tvt' (464), which, as you've just said, we do not have the luxury of doing.-
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Alright.......
Not only is this the most awkward post ever (reminding us that he's evaluating at every opportunity) but he was on the AA lynch.In post 391, BTD6_maker wrote:Anyway, the ArcAngel and GL flips need analysing. I need to see why people voted ArcAngel to a lynch etc.
After a quick read, Karnos and Charloux look most suspicious but I will go into greater depth to evaluate them.-
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Have you ever been tunneled by rb?In post 235, Lemons wrote:I can't understand how someone would get this upset over a day 1 L-2, to the point of self voting.-
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What kind of answer were you expecting here?In post 362, Lemons wrote:
Why did you get quiet after posting your reads then? And why stay quiet once you were no longer the target?In post 359, Charloux wrote: If you look a little closer you will notice that i got quiet as soon as i posted my "reads", the wagon just strayed away from me after that.-
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Especially considering this is the entire basis behind your read it seems I'll also ask how his answer affected it.In post 338, Lemons wrote:Charloux is still looking pretty scummy from day 1, especially since he seemed to get mysteriously quiet as soon as the wagon was off of him and on AA. When he was about to be lynched it seemed like he wanted to leave the town with as much info as possible, posting his read list and such, but as soon as the pressure was off he got quiet. Since AA flipped town, this seems sketchy.
This post though.... repeats the "he got quiet" line twice.
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Like he's subtly hinting at charloux being scum and AA was a town counterwagon to him.
Kinda scummy how he's finding ways to not explicitly come right out and say that -- hidden shade throwing.
But what's weirder all around is that wasn't AA a straight up policy lynch? Do scum and town not both enjoy lynching things that aren't playing the game somewhat like I don't get how you can even analyze if the push there was scum motivated or not.
The most I got from it is that BTD looks pretty bad for being so cognizant of the low hanging fruit despite not even interacting with a majority of the game but that's another story completely.-
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I suppose it's fair that the game was dragging so we're not always gonna be able to ask extremely thought provoking questions in every last post but it's also a continuous trend: see the semantics battle you recently tried to drag me into....
And I feel like your whole tunnel on charloux revolved around that- like I said and it stuck to the wall for whatever reason and I just don't find activity stuff like that to be all that compelling. Give me reasons why you don't feel like the things he's doing make sense from a town-mindset.-
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