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[Alisae]

brb reading up on shit

[Alisae]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay, let's wake this up because he posts elsewhere.

Not AI

[Alisae]

I like AA now.

[Alisae]

For wagoning no content AA?

Yea theres better lynches and you are enabling low effort votes votes that are easy for scum to make and hide in and the rationale that town players use for this low effort lynch will act as subterfuge for said scum players

risk vs reward

Well, I'd be okay w/ a Pine lynch as well.

Then put your vote on him.

[Alisae]

How can you guys dislike AA? These recent posts are A1.

I think it's because they expect more from them?

[Alisae]

Well Zach if you're talking to me I was expecting more then just naked votes, but then I saw their more recent posts and I liked them a lot.

[Alisae]

Pine and drealmerz? Sure.
Gamma? Give him time, I'm sure he has a lot of shit to catchup with.
AA? No.

[Alisae]

^Scum pushing lynchbait^

[Alisae]

^Scum pushing lynchbait^

Does your opinion change if we ignore his push on you?

If it were to be ignored probably not. Plus his first post was LAMIST as hell. His reaction to the thread being around 40 pages comes off as he doesn't want to read the rest of it. Tho this is under the assumption that he's not going to read the rest of this thread, so if he is going to this point is invalid.
If it was not ignored, my townflip would say that it probably doesn't. Not to mention he didn't look good before that post.

[Alisae]

i like wraith now.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: RB

I can dig it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rb

FAIL
I was looking at the mod posts for VC info and noted votes on the IC.
Terrible.

FAIL

Scum post.

Fuck you.

Cool reaction.

[Alisae]

Gamma humor him. It's just a poor child trying to be cool.

[Alisae]

Thanks for the prod reminder, I’m here.
Only been trying to watch things unfold.
Within this space it seems like there are already lots of strong personalities scum-hunting, so I don’t want to get in the way.
Not planning to change my vote until I’m more confident about it; I like drealmerz7’s work based on seeing more of his analysis and posts, but I don’t often have strong reads during day ones.

Hi
I'm scum
but let's not bring any attention to myself
and let's keep my vote on somene even tho I like their posts.

[Alisae]

Hi have a good idea! Why don't we flashwagon this?
VOTE: SlickDilinger
Or someone can do a meta dive real quick, either work for me.

[Alisae]

Hi have a good idea! Why don't we flashwagon this?
VOTE: SlickDilinger
Or someone can do a meta dive real quick, either work for me.

I'm the ninth person you've laid a vote against on day one.

Your point?

[Alisae]

What were the alignments in those games?

[Alisae]

Wraith, post a tl;dr on why I'm scum please?

[Alisae]

Oh wait, I scumread you too.
You're still welcome to do so tho

[Alisae]

Yknow I really gotta disagree with you there, Wraith. We have oodles of information to comb over already, and every fucking scumread I have disappears into 'eh kinda null'. Alisae is doing this now as I iso her, despite her still being a valid lynch in my eyes. Large games are fucking hard and I need to learn how to adapt to them.

How many scum is there reasonable to be in this game? 19p, probably like 5 scum, assuming singleball? I know from the spec earlier that 9 is asinine, but I know nothing about gamebalance. I just wanna know if I should be worried about not having many scumreads at this point. The only other 'large' game I've played in only had 17 players, one who was a non-issue, and even that was enough to confuse my reads. There was only 3 scum in that game, but the setup was different there so eh.

The less scum there are the more confident I am in cycling through lurker slots. Unreadable slots with no posts are much better to get rid of early or force-replace out before the thread becomes too big rather than have sitting around as a liability later in the game.

RB tells me Dreamer is scum, and he's lurky as fuck, so I'm fine sheeping that.
Mod confirmed town RB seems like an automatic town win tbh.
VOTE: Dreamer

Alisae is kinda weird. I get a lot of 'well this is obvtown' from her, and a lot of 'well this is obvscum' from her, and everything inbetween.

I really don't think there's anything wrong with a utility lynch at this point in the game. Crucify me.

No one here knows my scumgame. Just FYI. Not even I know my scumgame.
What you judge as "obvscum" is either based on meta that doesn't exist or tells.
What are the tells.

[Alisae]

So the tl;dr gist is:

1. Alisae town- or scumreads players for extremely shallow and arbitrary reasons or for reasons she fails to adequately explain.
2. Alisae's vote changes practically every hour, primarily jumping on the most popular bandwagon of the moment.
3. Therefore, Alisae is not genuinely scumhunting or trying to contribute, and both her reads and votes both lack any sort of conviction or depth as a result. My conclusion is that she is scum trying to appear to be active and scumhunting but trying to blend into the background of wagons to conveniently shift off blame later.

1. Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?
2. Yeah I have a lot of scumreads. Is it scummy to be voting for them?
3. If you're expecting content heavy posts from me, then you are forgetting one thing:
I'm Alisae.
Of course, you wouldn't know that because you never played a game with me now would you?

[Alisae]

I rather just simply my arguements on people to be super short for rhetoric reasons.

[Alisae]

tbh I chose to vote SlickDinger over drealmerz7 because my intention was to pressure him, while I am already confident in drealmerz7's alignment.

Can't put my finger on it,
but I do not like this post.

[Alisae]

Wraith think of it this way. I asked for a tl;dr because the way you present your arguments makes it super hard to grab without it. This is why I don't like wall posts; they lack an argument that you can easily just grab.

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

[Alisae]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

To understand my reasoning a bit more. Unless you're scum and you don't care about that stuff.
Plus it's not my duty to prove to you that I am town. It's my duty to hunt, find, and lynch scum.

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

[Alisae]

Didn't you use to wall in your first couple of Newbie games?

lol couple. I only finished 1 newbie.
You mean my very first game? Yeah but then Tywin Lannister happened and TierShift was like "Walls are bad."

Swear it feels like you completed 10

I don't mind walls as long as they're well formatted. No one seems to do that anymore though.

Reported to the cyber police. Say good bye to your account. Cuz you're about to get fuccin beaned.

Hey, blame mastin2. I really like how she does her walls

And you think I care about the walls part of this conversation?
God you're dense.

[Alisae]

Have you ever thought of asking me to go more indepth on my reasoning instead of just saying I'm scum for it?

Why do I have to ask for it? Why are you not just saying it?

To understand my reasoning a bit more. Unless you're scum and you don't care about that stuff.
Plus it's not my duty to prove to you that I am town. It's my duty to hunt, find, and lynch scum.

WTF kind of response is this?

My point is if you are actually trying to scumhunt then you should be posting detailed explanations for your reads with context anyways, without anyone having to ask.

I'm not saying you have to post massive walls of quotes and text. That can be done badly to the point it gets ignored (cough dreal cough).

It's the difference between

I scumread Wraith because his post finding rb scummy for apparently scumslipping multiball while also simultaneously being skeptical of this being a multiball setup. Therefore, I'm voting to lynch him.

and

I townread Debi for being a VI. I scumread Wraith and Ircher for pushing a lynch on a VI.

The difference is that Grey's reasoning for scumreading me comes from a logical thought process that is clearly explained; you have decided Debi is a VI for arbitrary reasons you fail to elaborate upon and then scumread players based on that initial unexplained, arbitrary conclusion.

And that's just one example of fake scumhunting out of several so far already. And you're trying to paint ME as the bad guy for finding you scummy for this crap?

So you're basicly saying my playstyle is scummy?
Adapt.

[Alisae]

Ircher you make it sound like we played a lot of games together

[Alisae]

It won't be a drink with ice when I throw Gin on the rocks.

ayy

lmao

Ecks Dee

[Alisae]

Hey Zach. I like your wall. As in, really, really, really like your wall.
I also re-read AA's wall. I really like that.
I also hate how quickly the Slick wagon rose. Yes I don't like the wagon, but I don't like how Uzi, Gin, and Creature jumped on that shit right away.
In fact, the only person I really hate on the wagon is Dunn.
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

[Alisae]

What about it confuses you Gamma?
I like the words coming out of people's mouths that are saying that Gin is scum.

[Alisae]

Dunn, you're ISO is starting to grow on me.

[Alisae]

Oh! I see where you might be confused. Let me rephrase and edit real quickly.

I also hate how quickly the Slick wagon rose.

Yes I don't like the wagon, but

I don't like how Uzi, Gin, and Creature jumped on that shit right away.

[Alisae]

You're asking good questions.

[Alisae]

And Debi sort it by Town, Null, or Scum.
Not this third party bullshit.

[Alisae]

Also any questions comments you'd like to make, please ask them in the next 20-30 minutes because after that, I'm going to go hide in a hole until I finish my reads lists with details

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

11 meters/sec

Scum response.

Town would have asked, "African swallow or European swallow?"

When Suddenly the host suffered a major heart attack. The scum peril was no more. The quest for the Holy Grail could continue.

[Alisae]

Echo grow a pair and go through it or replace out.

[Alisae]

Also @Debi rb is confirmed Town.
Leaving this here because Debi probably didn't see it.

[Alisae]

Also @Debi rb is confirmed Town.
Leaving this here because Debi probably didn't see it.

If you need proof to back this up just ISO the mod.

[Alisae]

Ircher, is it a problem that I have so many people I want to have rope Day 1?
If only we had a vig.

[Alisae]

^will explain when i don't feel like puking

-5 awesome points for timing posts terribly.

[Alisae]

5-7 is prob. a healty number.

Around this number.

[Alisae]

Got to Debi's post #1327 but didn't finish it because now i feel super light headed and nauseous and have a headache so i'm gonna go lay down for a little bit but i'll hopefully be back soon, if not then it'll be first thing tomorrow morning. For now, I leave you with this:

VOTE: TheFakeGinNToner

L-3 you fuck. God that was the scummiest fucking vote if your reasoning is being convinced by Debi.

Who says it was Debi's posts that swayed him?
What if it was that he liked what he read up to that point?

[Alisae]

Or I know the shit he has to go through because I talk to him pretty regularly?
Also your vote is OMGUS.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE: ThRealGin-N-Tonic

Huh?

[Alisae]

You mean that read I gave you how many posts ago?
Reads change because people say words that make more sense then your own.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE: ThRealGin-N-Tonic

Huh?

Yeah that's right

Okay since that wasn't clear, I was asking for why.

[Alisae]

You scum read me with a vote saying that you read other people's words and said that's good enough for a vote.

Your reasoning was actually fucked up when posting and I need to get this straight with you.

You said you didn't like Usi, myself, and Creature which, excluding me, is part of the town block and then you go on to say the only person you really hate on the wagon is Dunn which leads to the logical conclusion that you would vote him but I got the vote.

There's a logic leap there and I'm just confused as to why you wouldn't vote your top scum read? Hate=thinks is most scummy for clarification as to why I said scum read instead of hate

Why did you assume think I hated Dunn for that vote?
You're drawing conclusions out of thin air.
If you're asking for my scumreads they're Slick, Dreams, Creature, You, Pine

[Alisae]

And I never scumread Uzi.

[Alisae]

Hey Zach. I like your wall. As in, really, really, really like your wall.
I also re-read AA's wall. I really like that.
I also hate how quickly the Slick wagon rose. Yes I don't like the wagon, but I don't like how Uzi, Gin, and Creature jumped on that shit right away.

In fact, the only person I really hate on the wagon is Dunn.

VOTE: TheRealGin-N-Tonic

Really wonder how I came to the conclusion how you hated Dunn.... the world may never know, you must be right, came out of thin air

The way you were saying it made me assume that you thought I hated Dunn for that vote.

[Alisae]

Reaction Test.

[Alisae]

Yep!
I point out it's a reaction test in post 1407

[Alisae]

Yeah before post 1407, otherwise you're confirming that you just made that up to defend yourself.

VOTE: rbVOTE:

[Alisae]

fuck
VOTE: rb

[Alisae]

okay vote served it's purpose
VOTE: Gin

[Alisae]

Um a I was saying, lynch all lairs?

[Alisae]

I mean like, fuck man, all I ever wanted was for everyone to like me including scum.

[Alisae]

Actually, nah. I got a better idea.
VOTE: -Grey

Where the fuck did you go? You liked dissapeared and shit and I expected you to have gone after someone who you read as scum.
I get a feeling this is not your town game.

[Alisae]

Now that I think about it, his votes are SUPER oppertunistic.

[Alisae]

I'll get back to Gin later, but one thing I don't like about Gin is that he immediately doesn't give Echo a chance to explain himself. To me it comes off as saying "I don't care about your justification."
Now if Echo were to come back and not post his reasoning behind the vote, fine, that's blatantly scummy.
But he doesn't even give the poor kid a chance.

[Alisae]

Gin is scum dude

Grey isn't playing according to his townmeta if you're talking to me.

[Alisae]

Okay fine it just seemed like you weren't giving him a chance to defend himself.

[Alisae]

I am the only person that is still wondering where the fuck Grey went.

[Alisae]

Oh okay.
tbh I'm also having the same problem he is.
Also Grey doesn't like playing scum btw.

[Alisae]

rb he apparently replaced out.

[Alisae]

Wait, let me ISO drealz first. I recently got some insight into his scum/Town meta.

Absolutely disgusting.

[Alisae]

Nah Pine, it's that that was very hypocritical coming from you because I felt as if you were sheeping him when you got on my wagon and to me you're reading as if you don't really care where your vote goes.

[Alisae]

LMAO

You asked rb who you should vote.
You even told rb that you're comfortable lynching me implying that you're buddying him.

[Alisae]

Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.

[Alisae]

I have the best avatar on site.

[Alisae]

also forgot to mention alisae is one of my strong town reads right meow

Huh?

[Alisae]

also forgot to mention alisae is one of my strong town reads right meow

Huh?

you
are
a
town
read

Y

[Alisae]

Ya know...I got all day...

[Alisae]

42

[Alisae]

Still waiting for reasoning behind the TR.

[Alisae]

Still waiting for reasoning behind the TR.

Bruh, I'm asking because it feels very forced and awkward.

[Alisae]

ssbm_Kyouko is our lynch.

VOTE: drealmerz7

...

[Alisae]

no one wants to lynch grey with me. I'm still voting for Grey.

[Alisae]

or rather texcat

[Alisae]

or rather texcat

What do you think about texcat voting for you?

It's wierd and awkward.

[Alisae]

or rather texcat

What do you think about texcat voting for you?

It's wierd and awkward.

Definitely weird. Her justification mainly, which I don't buy.

It's cuz they're scum

[Alisae]

No seriously, if I was a vig right now I would shoot Texcat. Thats how strongly I think they are scum.

[Alisae]

It is starting to look like I'm not going to get what I want out of Slick today.

--
VOTE: Gin

I still want a detailed explanation for the reads you gave earlier. I recall you saying you would do it over the weekend.

[Alisae]

Or you straight up can't go indepth about them.

[Alisae]

100% truth, it's delayed because of who I am as a person.

[Alisae]

Fine -_-
You win this time.
Plus I'm happy where my vote currently is.

[Alisae]

Echo still waiting for you to explain the TR on me. I got all day.

[Alisae]

Echo why the fuck you ignorin me?

[Alisae]

one would think scum!drealmerz would opt to provide a substantial defense (i.e. one that might actually sway you) if self-preservation was valued

town drealmerz is more likely

I can WIFOM this all fucking day.

[Alisae]

Pine so you came back and basiclly hopped on the biggest wagon, I pointed that out, and you unvoted.

[Alisae]

VOTE: EchoVision

[Alisae]

Okay fine I did imply a sequence of events. Sorry.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Gin
I still want these indepth reads.

[Alisae]

ok

[Alisae]

no

[Alisae]

Is it your position that you believe I have no case?

[Alisae]

wowie you dodged my question.

[Alisae]

I did.

[Alisae]

can we just lynch it already it's such a negative impact on this game it can die

Hey scum. Push lynchbait more especially when you have a huge wagon on you.
kthanks.

[Alisae]

Hey guys, I'ma call the game real quickly.
Gin, Pine, drealmerz, Taxcat.

[Alisae]

Gin I like making you frustrated.

[Alisae]

Hey Gin. Remember when you voted Echo like 10 pages ago or something?
Yeah that vote was shit.

[Alisae]

Hi! I got a red pm!
Oh hey, someone is playing like shit?
Cool, let's lynch them.

Your thought process right now.

[Alisae]

Okay his vote may have been bad, but your vote was way worse.

[Alisae]

Hi Drealmerz. Do you wanna just say "Kill Kill Kill" the whole game or are we going to have a conversation?

[Alisae]

So you scumread me for...what reason again?

[Alisae]

Are you actually going to put any thoughts into the game?
Or are you just going to keep going by that?

[Alisae]

Oh there we go!

[Alisae]

Yeah I feel like you haven't read the game at all.

Any other reads?

[Alisae]

So you have NO other reads? If you do, please give them. I'll be here all day.

[Alisae]

VOTE: drealmerz
That's L-2

[Alisae]

I wouldn't be surprised if you read in your scum PT "Just push Alisae" and did that while not really reading the game otherwise you would have reads you would share with the class.
Also I don't see why town would not want to share reads when asked for them.

[Alisae]

Then replace out.

[Alisae]

Now you're actually giving me a reaction since you know you are in danger of being lynched.
I've been unenthused by the game but I still have other scumreads.

[Alisae]

How would your reads be more harmful then good?

[Alisae]

I much rather ask you to contribute to the game.
At this point you're not better then I am.

[Alisae]

No people like playing with me oddly enough.

[Alisae]

WHAT IS THE CASE ON ME?

LAY IT OUT

OR SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO AWAY

I much rather ask you to contribute to the game.
At this point you're not better then I am.

[Alisae]

That IS my case.

[Alisae]

Okay drealmerz. Who do you think is scum on your wagon besides me?

[Alisae]

now you're discrediting me.

[Alisae]

Ok. Do me a favor and READ THE FUCKING GAME.

[Alisae]

Hey your play is shittastic as well
Takes one to know one jackass

[Alisae]

this shit player is lynching your scummy ass.

[Alisae]

I think I made my point.

[Alisae]

You and Texacat are scum together. No doubt about that.

[Alisae]

I know right, I'm just that good at this game cuz I caught a scumfuck who doesn't want to contribute.

[Alisae]

That is my case btw.

[Alisae]

it's like you and tex just read the scum PT and saw "Hey, we're pushing Alisae now" and decided to hop on but you were late to the wagon.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah, I forgot Wraith to my earlier game calling scum pile.
Wraith, Drealmerz, Gin, Pine, Texcat

[Alisae]

You asked for my cases, I gave you them.

[Alisae]

Hi! I'm scum flailing!
Do you like, even know how to play the game bro?
Git gud bro.

[Alisae]

I think I need to work on my sarcasm.

[Alisae]

For some reaosn I thought drealmerz was at L-2. Whatever.

[Alisae]

You and Texacat are scum together. No doubt about that.

That is my case btw.

LMAO. That's quite a case.

Can we lynch this already? No matter what Ircher thinks, lynchbait not= town. We're going to have to lynch this sooner rather than later.

You read the last few pages, right?
I said that my case on them was that they had no reads and that they didn't feel like contributing.

[Alisae]

I mean like, you're both scum. so...

[Alisae]

The fact that Texcat wants me lynched over you when you don't really have content really does say a lot now doesn't it?

[Alisae]

Also Texcat nice misrep

[Alisae]

I have content.
You don't have content.

[Alisae]

Tho someone would know that if they actually like, ya know, read the game?

[Alisae]

You wanna know who else doesn't have content? Slick.

[Alisae]

See, this is how I know your scum.
In your scum PT there was probably something along the lines of "Hey, go after Alisae! Ez lynch."
So ywall do that.
And forget that other people like Slick have no content!

Calling the game
Texcat, Pine, Gin, Dreal, Wraith.

[Alisae]

I caught all scum that's probably in this game.
And they'll continue to push me as a policy lynch because ez lynch.
Even tho I just called the game.
See how fun this is.

Best part is I have more content then drealmerz and slick.

[Alisae]

“All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Be extremely subtle even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Pretend inferiority and encourage your enemy's arrogance. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush them"
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[Alisae]

u just mad cuz I called the game correctly

[Alisae]

Nah AA, let's lynch Drealmerz. We can get to Gin later. After all I solved the game, right?

[Alisae]

ISOing the mod always helps too last time I checked
no?

[Alisae]

Yo tell me more. Educate me.

[Alisae]

AA thoughts on the scumteam I provided?

[Alisae]

I know right HS!

[Alisae]

Zach scum can be right as well

[Alisae]

Just pick a name (other than me) and you have my vote.

Can I suggest one? rb

[Alisae]

I need a vote count.
Starting to like drealmerz a bit more
VOTE: Texcat

[Alisae]

I need a vote count.
Starting to like drealmerz a bit more
VOTE: Texcat

Talk to me about your read on Tex. She worries me.

My read on them is really strong. It's mostly because I don't feel like Grey was bringing their towngame to the table.

Also her reasons for voting me are quite frankly not the best.

[Alisae]

Hi! I got a red pm!
Oh hey, someone is playing like shit?
Cool, let's lynch them.

Your thought process right now.

So you admit to knowing that your town playstyle is perceived as shit and you don't make an effort to improve anyways?
(Also forgot to post this last night before bed, was wondering why I got prodded when I thought I'd caught up to all my games)

Oh please, I've been scumhunting and giving my opinions on things when needed. What do you call my conversation with drealmerz?

[Alisae]

You and Texacat are scum together. No doubt about that.

Why do you scumred Texcat again?

Few reasons.
Firstly I do not feel like Grey was bringing his towngame.
And then when they do come in, they vote me with a reason that really does not seem that strong to me.
Like they just jump to me without really putting any real effort into the game or really giving their opinions on everyone else and whats going on there.
Like their entrance was really awkward, and weird.

[Alisae]

As much as I would love to policy Debi for lurking then hoping on a big wagon oppertunisticly, I really, really, really want that Texcat lynch done.

[Alisae]

I can still scumread Dreal mostly for only stating me as their only scumread but I'm starting to like him a bit more as well.

[Alisae]

Dreal I assume you still scumread me?

[Alisae]

Is Gin at L-1?
Hold on.
Let me check
VOTE: Gin

[Alisae]

Yeah that's hammer.

[Alisae]

Aww rip no fake hammer.
Going back to this.
VOTE: Texcat

Did you find joke funny atleast?

[Alisae]

And if it is, how is that scummy.
Comes off as more NAI to me.

[Alisae]

Uzi Know right.
Unless he thinks I'm a PR for some reason, wonder why that is.

And I'm saying that moment you're cherrypicking is NAI drealz

[Alisae]

No but I do some pro GFX skillz. Hold on let me share some tags I can do with le class.

[Alisae]

No but I do some pro GFX skillz. Hold on let me share some tags I can do with le class.

Fixed fuck my life

[Alisae]

Dunn that's my art cuz Slick asked if I made my own avi and I said no but I do my own art anyways.
Like them Tags

[Alisae]

Titus come vote Texcat with me?

[Alisae]

Also let's do these
{Me, rb}
{HS, AA, Zach}
{Slick, Dunn, Creature, Drealmerz, Debi, UZI}
{Ircher, Titus, Kyouko (THIS DUDE DISSAPEARED), }
{Gin, Wraith}
{Texcat, Pine}

[Alisae]

Votecount 1.01

Alisae (2)

Dunnstral , ssbm_Kyouko ,

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

Alisae ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2)

All Alone , Debi ,

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

Zachstralkita ,

Creature (3)

Lil Uzi Vert , TheRealGin-N-Tonic , Pine ,

Wraith (2)

Ircher , EchoVision ,

Debi (1)

Wraith ,

Not Voting (7)

rb , Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , Human Sequencer , -Grey- , SlickDilinger , Creature ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

Mod note: Since I track votes in excel, I usually provide vote counts with links in them. It's a bit unusual compared to most mods, but I consider it a nice service for players. Sometimes I'll phone/ipad post a VC or the like and you won't get links, but usually you will.

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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Votecount 1.02

Alisae (4)

Dunnstral , ssbm_Kyouko , Debi , Pine ,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2)

All Alone , rb ,

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

Zachstralkita ,

Creature (1)

-Grey- ,

Wraith (4)

Ircher , EchoVision , Alisae , TheRealGin-N-Tonic ,

Debi (1)

Wraith ,

Not Voting (6)

Gamma Emerald , drealmerz7 , Human Sequencer , SlickDilinger , Creature , Lil Uzi Vert ,

Day one deadline is Sunday January 15, 4 PM PST. (expired on 2017-01-15 17:00:00)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch!

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Actually now that I think about it I think Gin diserves to be with Texcat and Pine mostly because of these two VCs.

[Alisae]

That along with your jump onto my wagon at it's peak. To me it looks like you were just oppertunisticly hopping on wagons. Like I legit can't see a wagon you aren't on besides your own. Creature seemed like a good wagon that could take off at the time so you hop on that and then Echo comes in and jumps on Wraith and me + you both followed that shit.
The difference between my play here and your play here is that I wasn't on Creature at the time he was popular you were.
I think this is sorta making sense in my head?
Stream of Consciousness I guess.

Also Hi Titus.
Why?

[Alisae]

I'm holding you too that.

[Alisae]

Also your read on Texcat's slot and why?

[Alisae]

Actually let's do this instead

Titus, Texcat, Wraith, Pine, Gin, Kyouko, Ircher, Drealmerz
what is your read on the other person listed beside ywall?

[Alisae]

I see a future VCA hunter in you, however VCA isn't useful until there have been a lot of flips and you can start to color code them to find patterns.

You should meet JaeReed.
Last time I checked his VCA's were pretty on point.

[Alisae]

Actually let's do this instead

Titus, Texcat, Wraith, Pine, Gin, Kyouko, Ircher, Drealmerz
what is your read on the other person listed beside ywall?

Who this at?

It's directed towards you, Titus, Texcat, Wraith, Pine, Ircher, and Realmerz

[Alisae]

Titus isn't today monday?

[Alisae]

Why do I feel like scum only want to lynch AA and Me atm?

[Alisae]

No it's not just you Gin. I'm getting that vibe from other people.

[Alisae]

rb he's on the drealmerz wagon

[Alisae]

also rb do you still scumread me?

[Alisae]

rb he's on the drealmerz wagon

You're also on this wagon apparently.

[Alisae]

DUUUUUUUUUDE.
I can say the same shit about Drealmerz.
Ya know, about the tunneling shit?
Until he started to vote other people.

[Alisae]

Gin any other posts on AA you would like to show me?

[Alisae]

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
Why you redirectin me.

[Alisae]

Okay Gin. I think I need to clearify. I think I meant your posts not hers.

[Alisae]

LOL GIN!

[Alisae]

HS BEING ALIVE MADE ME SO FUCKING PARANOID THAT GAME.

[Alisae]

See! I am good at this game!
Somewhat ;~;

[Alisae]

I just have to step past my paranoia and get my shit together.

[Alisae]

It's not that I don't find it worthy of a vote, don't get me wrong, it's that I really want to lynch Texcat.

[Alisae]

Also now that you are mentioning it I really don't think this is AA's towngame. So you sorta just brought AA back into my eyes again.
I also am starting to think that your wagon along with dreamlerz wagon means you are both town.

[Alisae]

Kyouko. Don't be a fucking sheep. I swear to god I will lynch your ass.

[Alisae]

Alisae had been on all three scum lynches up to that point in Nadroj's game, and you decided he was so bad he needed to be Policy Lynched because he was considering townies for the final scum? Like, if you honestly proposed a PL for that reason, then eat shit. Even the best players mislynch sometimes, much less CONSIDER the wrong lynch. That isn't a fucking reason to PL someone.

Honestly I understand why he thought he should start up a policy lynch, I just think that it was a very shit time to do so, especially considering the position he was in.

[Alisae]

also rb do you still scumread me?

never did, just wanted to see who would push a wagon on you

You're evil and a meanie ;~;
With that said, what information did you get from my wagon?

[Alisae]

Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.

VOTE: Gin

You make me want to PL you now.
Your play leading up to this was also kinda shitty as well tbh cuz you weren't responding to people well.

[Alisae]

JFC 10 pages since I started my re-read?

Spoiler: Notes

* Dreal being dreal
* #1485 I wouldn't rely on timestamp stuff at all as any sort of tell. It's impossible to know what real life circumstances might be going on to change peoples' plans
* #1505 Yes Gin this is dreal
* #1517 Zach my man again
* Okay dreal being dreal aside, #1522 is massively scummy and crap vote/post.
* Going to continue townreading the Grey/texcat slot until something big convinces me otherwise. It helps that I do really like #1527
* Jesus, Pine, #1534-1537 is like the worst return from lurking ever. It doesn't fill me confidence on you.
* Echo has definitely been slipping from my townreads since he went a-lurking. But his return and townreading Alisae while scumreading Gin and dreal makes me realize there seems to be a serious rift in the game at this point. People who townread Alisae tend to scumread Gin and vice versa.
* #1560 Okay now that I get that this was HS's original point this makes a lot more sense. I just wish he hadn't dressed it up with timestamp speculation. The fact is that dreal promised something related to VC and still hasn't delivered. That's all you need to say, no timestamp shenanigans necessary. It's a fair point even if it comes from someone I'm currently scumreading.
* It's honestly rather hypocritical of me to shame the dreal wagon while dreal is playing himself up as "low-hanging fruit" when I've thrown shade on Alisae for doing essentially the same thing
* #1564 Yeah it would really help if you elaborated on your strong reads Echo
* #1578 lol
* Don't care for Uzi's weak attack on texcat. I'm definitely strongly townreading texcat because her handful of opening posts have been more useful than hundreds by certain other players (I

wonder

who?)
* Uzi's activity on page 64 has him rapidly falling out of my town leans. I hate his attack on texcat, I

really

hate his exchange with Alisae on the subject, and I hate his switch onto Gin, especially since it comes from Slick, who is much more deserving of a wagon
* Okay scum or no Alisae is on fucking point with the reaction gifs/vids
* I agree with Creature in #1608. GE in particular being totally disinterested in the game is a very strange sign
* Ircher doing Town things in #1615
* At first I didn't have a problem with Alisae's vote in #1634, but yet another sudden shift back to Gin in #1645 makes it look bad in hindsight. Seriously, there's no conviction behind these votes. It again comes off to me that Alisae has no actual firm reads at all.
* #1652 #1655 Gin is so town.
* #1667 Gin is town. Alisae's #1669 is bullshit
* I am NOT reading multiple entire pages of dreal arguing with Alisae like a pair of ten-year-olds. So this is why the page numbers exploded over a weekend
* #1723 texcat is still town
* #1764 I think this has been the case for like thirty pages
* #1766 what the

fuck

is this? Why would you throw shade on a wagon and then JOIN THAT WAGON?!

Okay I'm up to page 72 now. I have to lay out a current reads status to keep myself on the same page

Spoiler: Reads By Player

1. rb - CONFTOWN, obviously. Please stop shitposting/half-assing it and make better contributions, please.
2. Alisae - Top SCUMREAD. Has only gotten worse.
3. ssbm_Kyouko - NEUTRAL. Lurking.
4. TheRealGin-N-Tonic - TOWNREAD. Still a top townread. Unfairly persecuted. I need to review who started this wagon because it's started off really flimsy logic. It was Zach. I still townread Zach but I townread Gin more so. I think some players (ALISAE, CREATURE, SLICK) are sheeping his flimsy justification and using it to mask some really scummy votes that don't feel genuine at all. Others (ECHO) aren't giving any excuse at all.
5. Lil Uzi Vert - SOFT SCUMREAD. As said, his page 64 activity made him drop quite a bit in my reads. It's a double-whammy of attacking texcat for weak reasons and switching to the Gin wagon.
6. Gamma Emerald/Titus - NEUTRAL. Lurking.
7. Zachstralkita - TOWNREAD. Still a townread. I think his attack on Gin was misguided and he should be seriously concerned at how many scummy-ass players have used his reasoning to sheep
8. Creature - MURKY. Was moving up but then his switch back to Gin was crap. His hard-on for lurker lynching is at least paying SOME results though.
9. drealmerz7 - SOFT SCUMREAD. Still impossible for me to gauge this slot but his activity so far has largely been a bunch of crap and empty promises.
10. Ircher - TOWNREAD. Still reckless but I think he generally speaks sense.
11. Pine - MURKY. Lurking.
12. Human Sequencer - SOFT SCUMREAD. Hasn't done all that much to convince me this read is off the mark.
13. texcat - TOWNREAD. Still a voice of reason even after replacement. The pushes against her have been serious crap
14. SlickDilinger - SCUMREAD. Re-evaluating some of his activity from the earlier re-read and it looks really scummy, and his jump on the Gin wagon is super opportunistic. He's also done absolutely nothing since the Gin wagon gained steam. If Alisae's scummy-ass activity wasn't so overpowering my vote would be here.
15. Debi - MURKY. Lurking.
16. EchoVision - SOFT SCUMREAD. Disappears, then comes back to join the Gin wagon and explain precisely zero of his reads, then disappears again. This Gin wagon is scummy as FUCK.
17. Dunnstral - NEUTRAL. Lurking.
18. All Alone - SOFT TOWNREAD. Lurking but nothing has convinced me this is off the mark yet.

Spoiler: Reads By Category

Townread

rb
Gin
texcat
Ircher
Zach

Soft Townread

All Alone

Neutral/Murky

Kyouko
Dunnstral
GE/Titus
Debi
Pine
Creature

Soft Scumread

HS
dreal
Uzi
Echo

Scumread

Slick
Alisae

The immense number of lurkers in this game is not helping at all.

This is what scum pushing 2 lynchbaits looks like.

[Alisae]

Titus also is acting pretty strange. She would've been tunneling and making thousand posts, what she's doing now?

ssbm_Kyouko posts little as scum, but posts a bit more as town.

Titus posts a lot lot more as town.

Why we're not wagoning them? Because they were untouched the entire game and thus generates "low info"

I agree and your TR got stronger by suggesting to wagon them.

[Alisae]

OMFG did you guys actually lynch Gin

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

I still want to lynch Alisae, but I think AA made some good points on Gin. And Gin was flailing a bit. I'd certainly vote Gin over Drealm.


But the real problem with the game is that no one is reading. We have Pine saying that he's not reading but will sheep the IC. We have the IC not reading but saying he will sheep HS. Titus just subbed in. Then we have Slick who says he's reading, but he's not posting. Debi who voted Friday for Gin saying that she was 99% sure he was scum, turns around and votes Drealm on Monday. The Lynchbait who has voted everyone in the room and claims to have the whole thing solved. I am just hoping that if we make it through Day One and get some flips that people will rejoin the game.

And speaking of sheeping, what's this? Uzi and Dunn are sheeping the Lynchbait???? No reasons here, so whatever.

Spoiler:

We have till Saturday my dude

Oh that's more than enough time.

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VOTE: Texcat

VOTE: Texcat

debi

LOL YOU CALL YOURSELF LYNCHBAIT!

[Alisae]

Switching from this cuz he's reacting really poorly to his wagon
not to mention a lot of my TRs are on this wagon
VOTE: Gin