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[Dierfire]

D4 FINAL VOTE COUNT

Empking (4): TwoFace, Aristophanes, Lil Uzi Vert, Joshz

TwoFace (1): Empking

No Vote (2): xSoniaNevermindx, Gamma Emerald

[Dierfire]

D4 has ended.

Empking (Mafia Goon)

was lynched.

N4 begins. Players wishing to submit or change actions must do so before the deadline.
Any outstanding prods must be answered by PM. If replacements are necessary, the deadline will be extended.
N4 will end at the deadline or after I receive a PM from every living player requesting to end N4 early (whichever occurs first).

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(expired on 2017-01-09 17:00:00)

[Dierfire]

N4 has ended.

Lil Uzi Vert (Town Mason)

was found dead.

D5 begins now.

VOTE COUNT 5.00

No Vote (5): TwoFace, xSoniaNevermindx, Gamma Emerald, Joshz, Aristophanes

With 5 players living, 3 votes are required to lynch.

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(expired on 2017-01-19 20:30:00)

NOTES

xSoniaNevermindx V/LA until 9 January

[Joshz]

sonia is back on my radar. might make a wallpost if i have time. i am currently deciding between gamma and sonia.

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure last scum is josh

[Joshz]

pretty sure i just chuckled

[TwoFace]

Things that stood out to me are how he was hard pushing vedith early on in the game, as the game progressed he backed off vedith, and was pushing hard for gamma over vedith when fitz/gamma made no sense.

No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game. I think those reasons is he's their partner.

Since we don't have to worry about a scum pile on.

VOTE: josh

[Joshz]

"No to mention an earlier post he made where he said scum/vedith for reasons he'd explain post game" where did i say that? ive explained my scum read on vedith multiple times in this game. ive also pushed vedith the entire time including when he has and hasnt been pressured, and the only time i switched off was at the request of a mason to lynch who both of us scumread; i think you scumread aj more than i did. i "backed off" vedith because nobody else was agreeing with my scumread, i went right back to voting him after. i voted gamma to honor hiraki and aj, who were confident hes scum. i will still vote gamma, just need to decide between him and sonia.
fitz/gamma does not make no sense either lol

[Joshz]

not to mention yesterday i wasnt entirely confident you were town and wanted to lynch gamma before emp because youd fit as a gamma partner but not as an emp partner. i still do not like that unvote on "policy"

[TwoFace]

But hey. I'm a reasonable man.

Somebody show me how fitz/creeps makes more sense than fitz/hiraki and I'll read it over.

It doesnt

Fitz/vedith does though

Oh yeah, run that one past me again.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.
Le End

Here ya go buddy.

[TwoFace]

not to mention yesterday i wasnt entirely confident you were town and wanted to lynch gamma before emp because youd fit as a gamma partner but not as an emp partner. i still do not like that unvote on "policy"

I was the most obvious townie next to the masons.

It was

Nacho
Uzi
Me

So yeah you can get the same fate emp had. Good bye scum

[TwoFace]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

[Joshz]

But hey. I'm a reasonable man.

Somebody show me how fitz/creeps makes more sense than fitz/hiraki and I'll read it over.

It doesnt

Fitz/vedith does though

Oh yeah, run that one past me again.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.
Le End

Here ya go buddy.

are you fucking joking LOLLLL

that was a sarcastic reply.... read his posts again

[Joshz]

I also really need you to explain this town read on hiraki at some point also.

I can't for reasons... Take that as you like but I can answer at a later date.

[Joshz]

not to mention yesterday i wasnt entirely confident you were town and wanted to lynch gamma before emp because youd fit as a gamma partner but not as an emp partner. i still do not like that unvote on "policy"

I was the most obvious townie next to the masons.

It was

Nacho
Uzi
Me

So yeah you can get the same fate emp had. Good bye scum

idc, you being probably town doesnt clear you as town. aj had pointed out he scumread me when he first joined until he read more as a defense for empking, and his other tunnel read was you. when aj flipped town, you looked a significant amount worse to me, and while you were the stronger tr of the living non-masons you still werent cleared town at all. gamma made sense as a partner, and i didnt like how much you were against his lynch and trying to focus on emp. i thought a gamma lynch was more revealing, because i didnt wanna let scum twoface and scum gamma run away with the game if that was the pairing.

[Joshz]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

n idc about you hammering ive seen town do it more than scum regardless of intentional or unintentional. i did not like you unvoting fitz at the start of the game for policy and stating you knew he was going to be lynched anyways. player policy is not something im a big fan of.

[TwoFace]

But you never explained it. The fact that you went from hard pushing vedith when it didn't seem likely he's going to be lynched to hard against it when it was 50/50 he could be lynched and then just gave up and hammered reeks of early distancing, later team preservation, and hammer in hopes of town cred.

Your gamma push never made any sense. Not when you weren't originally down for a fitz/vedith scum team.

[TwoFace]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

n idc about you hammering ive seen town do it more than scum regardless of intentional or unintentional. i did not like you unvoting fitz at the start of the game for policy and stating you knew he was going to be lynched anyways. player policy is not something im a big fan of.

Hard pushing against a scum lynch isn't something I'm a fan of either.

Which one is scummier?

Yeah that's why I'm voting you

[Joshz]

i didnt hard push against an emp lynch, i rathered a gamma lynch. i said the lynchpool was emp and gamma. i did explain it, read my posts, ive explained vedith sr about 3 times. from the second emp entered the game he tunnelled you and myself, that doesnt seem off to you?

"The fact that you went from hard pushing vedith when it didn't seem likely he's going to be lynched to hard against it when it was 50/50 he could be lynched and then just gave up and hammered reeks of early distancing, later team preservation, and hammer in hopes of town cred. "
this is like word for word what id expect if someone read the wiki and tried to play off of it.

[Joshz]

I haven't actually read the game yet, but as it stands:

Town:
Aristophanes - Nacho's read
Nachomamma8 - Mason
Lil Uzi Vert - Mason

Slight town:
Gamma Emerald - Having's votes
xSoniaNevermindx - Nacho's read

Slight Scum:
TwoFace - Hasving's votes seem like the basic - dump a vote on a partner for distancing because you don't want to bus play

Scum:
Aj The Epic - Nacho's read
Joshz - Like big time, like hugely, like blindingly obvious. He scream scum. Maybe, that'll change once I read his posts but so far it screams 'invested in the game; trying to play to win; not actually engaged in scumhunting'

Vote:Joshz

if youve finished reading lets see your thoughts on the game besides me being a manipulative artful scum active-lurker. i must have a partner, no? whats your game plan if i were to be lynched and if i were to flip town?

i did not say youve given no reads besides me. your reads post was pre-reading the thread. you have not given comphrehensive reads besides what seems to be fosing twoface and a couple town reads (trusting one mason on aristo being town and putting him as town when the other disagrees is also bad!). youve finished reading youve said, so whats your updated reads list?

I'm not so much trusting a Mason's read as I am trusting Nacho's read who happens to be a Mason.

I have not posted so much that this ought to necessary, but:

Town:
Nacho, Ouv - Mason

Arist - Naco

Gamma - Got Having lynched
Sonia - Having was essentially apathetic between Dreep and Hiraki (which was stooped cause Hiraki's a great player)

Scum:
AJ, could be. Nothing screams that he can't be.

Two: His interaction with Having looks like distancing. His retaliatory and dishonest reaction to this claim also looks bad.
Josh: Active lurking in what looks like a very deliberate way. (Is doing exactly what I'd do if I was scum)

[Joshz]

aristo could be scum off these, but like, i really doubt scum would put their partner that strong town randomly for very little reason. there are points for both sonia and gamma as scum, im curios what others think.

twoface: assuming the last scum was not me, who do you think it is?

[Aristophanes]

And I told you fuckers it was a god damn accident. Stupid scum emp

Hey, I was with you there!

NK was expected. I'll do some VCA and Iso the dead Scum later.

Nice call on Emp, TF

[TwoFace]

Josh. Save it. Nothing you can say is going to change my mind. If somebody else is against a josh lynch and has good reason, I'll consider but I just don't see how his 180 made much sense given who he was pushing really made no sense.

[TwoFace]

I won't be alive tomorrow most likely but if I am, We'll be in lylo tomorrow and lylo everyone is a clean slate. I reread everything before voting.

[Joshz]

twoface. answer the question. if i am town who do you think the last scum is?