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[Titus]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Hey Sesc, you might want to not recreate the past while you do not even have a clue what is going on.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I find it unlikely that town would have a ub in a setup where scum has PRs that are useless to town (strongman). If anything a backup role would have been backup doctor in this setup I feel. UB makes sense with roleblocker maybe if there's no strongman, because strongman still kills through roleblocks.

If the last 2 maf are strongman and ascetic I don't see the purpose of the UB role. I feel like we should popcorn mass claim now to judge whether we think UB is reasonable here. Doctor and follower are already dead, Drone and Titus are both claimed already. Sesq, Rask, Shannon, shad, thoughts on claiming today? Or should we wait for MyLo/lylo?

[Raskolnikov]

Well shit.

[Raskolnikov]

Don't rush today, I want to cover all the bases.

Massclaim's standard here but can wait for a few hours at least

[Raskolnikov]

One of kyouko, me or especially titus should have died over TTTT for starters.

[Raskolnikov]

Titus why would you not use JK?

Before doctor flip I could see logic behind that but not at all afterwards...

[Raskolnikov]

No fuck it massclaim

VT, shadonra next.

You confirming not ascetic?

[Raskolnikov]

Should pause setup spec until all the roles are in then.

Have to do some research into setup balance for this too... I thought titus was conf via there not being enough town power and kind of just assumed it was roleblocker roleblocking bp over strongman.

Have to lynch correctly today or it's pretty much over, can't rely on the "1 for 1"s everyones bringing up here

[Raskolnikov]

What's the point of a JK is there's ascetic?

[Raskolnikov]

Titus if you had to assume kyouko town who'd be shadonra's partner?

What do you see about shadonra that makes you assume him scum rather than joat existence if you admit both as possibilities?

[Raskolnikov]

First impression of the hammer was shannon scum and either titus or me was dying.

That said if I was the only sane person and it was drone/shannon idk why it'd be TTTT

If the hard 1v1s are permanent it forces the lynching within it but not otherwise. And titus says she'd only bet the game on shadonra.

There's actually no hard 1v1s then, kyouko's 100% on titus but titus says she's not as convinced on kyouko as on shadonra.
Titus is 100% on shadonra but shadonra townread titus yesterday and now says he's unsure and going to sheep on it.

It's a clusterfuck still but pre-emptively restricting the lynch is dangerous. Priority has to be scumlynch here above "resolving" 1v1s...

Wish titus died like normal so this setup spec shit wasn't still around. Really should've lynched drone yesterday to at least solve the neighbour thing.

[Raskolnikov]

Setup speculation is probably my weakest point and full of dumb misleading nai things and mod variance.

The irony of it is the only person here who's probably qualified at setup spec would be titus herself

[Titus]

@Rask, The votecount and rabid defense of shad without pointing to anything town the slot has done all game.

My backup would be anyone outside my hard town reads. That or rolecop explains Gerry death.

Why am I the only one qualifued to setup spec? If so, why are you not voting Shad?

[Titus]

What's the point of a JK is there's ascetic?

JK has two shots maximum. Yet, this is the biggest concern with an ascetic.

If we presume strongman (must be to bypass bulletproof and doc), then roleblocker on me.

We're looking at roleblock plus strongman, which could be divided or not.

[shadonra]

I'm VT.

[shadonra]

Popcorn claim? I want shannon next.

[shannon]

I'm VT also sorry!

[shannon]

I don't know what popcorn is, so whoever is left?

[shannon]

First impression of the hammer was shannon scum and either titus or me was dying.

That said if I was the only sane person and it was drone/shannon idk why it'd be TTTT

If the hard 1v1s are permanent it forces the lynching within it but not otherwise.

And titus says she'd only bet the game on shadonra.

There's actually no hard 1v1s then, kyouko's 100% on titus but titus says she's not as convinced on kyouko as on shadonra.
Titus is 100% on shadonra but shadonra townread titus yesterday and now says he's unsure and going to sheep on it.

It's a clusterfuck still but pre-emptively restricting the lynch is dangerous. Priority has to be scumlynch here above "resolving" 1v1s...

Wish titus died like normal so this setup spec shit wasn't still around. Really should've lynched drone yesterday to at least solve the neighbour thing.

You have hit the nail on the head here, and I think this kind of artificial restriction has been happening since D2. I need to check that I'm remembering it correctly, but I'm pretty sure it was driven by SSBM.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Priority should be ensuring we don't end up in a losing LyLo situation. I've already explained the risks involved in leaving Titus/Drone, Titus/Kyouko, and Titus/Drone/Kyouko.

Shannon, popcorn means you call someone out to claim next then they claim and choose who goes next, etc. So call someone out to claim.

So shadonra, if town, is not Ascetic

[shannon]

well hey that was obvious and cool

transcend i did figure out you were town while i was rereading = ( and i think kyouko's town too from what i've seen, but i'm far from finished catching up rip

rescinding the read on sesq

gerryoat: shit town play, there's no way to know strongarm here unless you're maf

>shit town play

>voting mafia the whole time

People on this site are stupid as fuck lmao. It's obvious since he claimed a PROTECTIVE ROLE. He would be the mafia hit. He had a BULLETPROOF SHOT. IT WOULD BE USED. Transcend isn't stupid. If you can't put 2+2 together you need to be mentored

Yeah, well I have learned the hard way, people don't do the smart thing sometimes and too smart to be town is plausible. I don't think you're scum but I cannot deny my radar pinging.

My reads are all messed up right now but I'm pretty confident in Kyouko, Sesq, and Shannon for town.

Explain, please.

I like a lot of the effort that Kyouko is putting in to solving the game. It could be faked but I don't get that from him. He seems to be considering every and any angle, investigating and reevaluating as much as he can, and following up with actual cases that force everyone to engage with him and the game itself.

You still read quite new to me and I don't see any scum intent in your posts.

I've been informed that Shannon didn't go anywhere last night and while that doesn't confirm anything, it makes me a feel whole lot better about my meta read on her.

@LUV: What did you mean by "my reads are all messed up right now"? Also, are you: claiming tracker; claiming that there exists an amnesiac (I think that's the modifier that sends your results to another player at random) tracker; choosing not to reveal that much yet?

@Shannon: Feel free to not comment on this for now if you so choose. If you went somewhere last night and are comfortable revealing that then let us know so we can lynch a liar, but if it's not worth revealing yet hold off.

I've only completed one game on this site and it's the only site I play on actually, the rest are ongoing. I don't know shit about balancing setups.

@Titus, TTTT, and the rest of the final 6 voting rb with me - What do you guys think about ironstove and drone voting for gerry yesterday with TTTT? We know rb is scum so since the Gerry wagon was the next-largest there was probably a scum trying to counterwagon him there. That puts one scum (2 would be very bold in case the rb lynch went through) in TTTT, ironstove, Drone.

if someone else is an investigation role, I say we lynch LUV cause I don't see 2 inv roles for town this game.

I think gerry and I might become BFFs.

I'm the one who was pointing to rb-LUV and shannon-LUV but iirc I didn't see much in the way of shannon-rb. I'd have to check my notes on PC after work though. Transcend's town block basically adopted TTTTs scum pool plus Shannon so you were in at least a few lynch pools but you weren't the focus, at least not my focus.

Uzi, why did you target shannon? You saw what rb flipped before you had to choose if you were going to use your action. Since you're one shot, I'd also question your choice to use the shot last night. Why not save your action for later use or at least target someone like Gerry or Impoetic who were both low activity yesterday, or someone like TTTT, Drone, or ironstove who was on the counter wagon to scum?

Crazy theory I'm nurturing: Impoetic/Titus scum team. The main reason I am TRing both of them is a combination of the conversation they had with each other and relying on Transcend's gut reads. Problem is, day talk is on and that whole conversation could have been rehearsed in the scum PT. Rabbit judged Impoetic as town for how fast she responded, saying that if she was scum it would be really hard to fake those responses so fast. Also note that neither of them would vote for rb yesterday iirc (can't check on mobile atm)

VOTE: Titus
Sorry Titus, my grass is greener.
If you're indeed town you should be aware of how low the rates of one of us being scum.
Your actions just scream scum to me.

Is this why you wanted me to not out our private talk?
The only possible claim Titus can make now is town Neighbour btw.
So no need to wait for their claim at all.

OK Sesq please claim

[shannon]

Ugh sorry for the million quotes in my q+

[Sesq]

Alright.
Confirmed what I wanted.

Sesq.
What gunsmith thing are you talking about?
Do you know Titus' claim at all?

I'm sure I heard gunsmith somewhere. Might be part of something greater.

Hey Sesc, you might want to not recreate the past while you do not even have a clue what is going on.

At least I'm open recieving new ideas.

Shit, you're dragging me down into your pettysphere.

Shannon, I'm VT.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK sesq who's next

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus - UB Neighbor
Drone - Neighbor
Rask - VT
Shadonra - VT
Shannon - VT
Sesq - VT

I'm all thats left to claim and I'm also VT