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it's basically how you assumed that it wasn't an RVS vote that I have a problem with. Like I just looked at it - a vote on me, mind you - and assumed it was RVS because I had only posted a confirm. Further, poking on someone "for making an RVS vote when we're past RVS" seems like the classic easy/shallow hook into the game that scum would want to use in order to look town.In post 87, Nitroglycerin wrote:I don't really see how that's a different question or what I asked is leading...?
Voting for you at that point is an empty vote at that time, while I think the other two options had posted enough content to develop an opinion of them...
i'm assuming that people are making what they feel is the best vote unless they say otherwise... Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a totally normal assumption?? but basically why make an empty vote if there's already AI content? i think that's a completely valid question
plus all you posted was a confirm so i'm not really sure why someone would make a non-rvs vote on you at that stage
ew @this as wellIn post 87, Nitroglycerin wrote:@Everyone, I have 4 townreads so this game is basically won"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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like here now you're making a new assumption that maxous is random voting, so clearly in your head his GL vote was random too, which renders your original question kinda pointlessIn post 108, Nitroglycerin wrote:like some people "got serious" (me) while others are still random voting (Maxous, Beeboy). i disagree that not everyone posted btw, but not everyone is really in a non-RVS mindset yet"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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but that's what i'm sayingIn post 177, GuiltyLion wrote:it's basically how you assumed that it wasn't an RVS vote that I have a problem with. Like I just looked at it - a vote on me, mind you - and assumed it was RVS because I had only posted a confirm. Further, poking on someone "for making an RVS vote when we're past RVS" seems like the classic easy/shallow hook into the game that scum would want to use in order to look town.
you're assuming i thought max's vote wasn't RVS when I believed it was and i'm not sure how you made that mental jump?
the second point is valid but i was more interested in seeing if he was townreading dunn or creature rather than make him look scummy
Not really?GuiltyLion wrote:
like here now you're making a new assumption that maxous is random voting, so clearly in your head his GL vote was random too, which renders your original question kinda pointlessIn post 108, Nitroglycerin wrote:like some people "got serious" (me) while others are still random voting (Maxous, Beeboy). i disagree that not everyone posted btw, but not everyone is really in a non-RVS mindset yet
I think my response to the above quote clarifies this but if not I'll try to explain again.An explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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I like beeboy's points against ThinkBig, agree with them myselfIn post 135, Drone wrote:VOTE: ThinkBig
I actually didn't like Beeboy's reaction all that much, it's cute n' brings out something rather genuine but a ThinkBig going so aggressively is something I'd like to hear everyone commenting on.
P-EDIT: I didn't make the mental jump, you expressed it in your post. "Why is Guilty abettervote" implies that Max had kind of reasoning behind his vote, putting words in his mouth, that's why I called it a leading question"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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Is it a bad assumption to make that people will always make the best vote from their vantage point?In post 180, GuiltyLion wrote:P-EDIT: I didn't make the mental jump, you expressed it in your post. "Why is Guilty a better vote" implies that Max had kind of reasoning behind his vote, putting words in his mouth, that's why I called it a leading question
like
therearecircumstances where i would think a naked/empty/rvs vote IS the best vote to make, such as having townreads on everyone that posted or wanting to get a read on someone who hasn't posted yet.
just because a vote is meaningless doesn't mean it can't be a better vote than another vote... does that make sense?An explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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I don't remember this level of early-game tryhard from town!you in Mystery Box. Like your section on me is a paragraph that literally reduces down to OMGUS. Also a lot of over-explaining townreads, I feel like that is much more likely to be buddying than it is useful content for later this game.In post 153, Nitroglycerin wrote:
so yeah i'll go in-depth here since i'm no longer in classIn post 152, Nitroglycerin wrote:oh fuck i just slipped my read on guilty which is why i didn't want to give a readlist zzzzzz
{Max, Drone} - Town
{HS, Beeboy, TB} - Townlean
{GuiltyLion, Dunnstral} - Scumlean
{Creature} - Scum
Spoiler: Explanations since i got verbose :dead:
@HS, I know you've meta'd Creature for that Newbie since I watched it, so what do you think of my read on him? Do you at least see where I'm coming from?
@TB, even though I already gave you my perspective I still would like to see if you concur or disagree. I emphasize that I mean concur because I'm hoping to see what unique viewpoint you bring since "Yeah pretty much what you said" doesn't help. If that's the truth then it is what it is but i'd just like to confirm my gutread on you
@Drone,"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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bad? I dunno. scummy? yes. Like I don't want to get bogged down into a huge argument over the logical validity of this, the simple fact of the matter is I didn't like the way you made this assumption about Maxuous making the "best vote" or whatever and then used that to ask him a question. feels forced, feels unnatural.In post 181, Nitroglycerin wrote:Is it a bad assumption to make that people will always make the best vote from their vantage point?
Dunn I like the bee puns, keep it up"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"-
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tbf that was just an off-game for me and a bad time. same with family mafiaIn post 182, GuiltyLion wrote:I don't remember this level of early-game tryhard from town!you in Mystery Box.
i'm normally more like this when i'm in a shitposty/hyperposting mood. i guess the closest i've been this try-hardy is my newbie (1718) but it's been a while since i've had a wind like this
i think OMGUS can be a valid reason to scumread someone... if a push on you is shit why not push on it? i've caught scum that way too
honestly though your last few posts have been ok so i'm not really sure where i'm wrong
still pretty sure this is scum!creature though
fair enough then :/GuiltyLion wrote:
bad? I dunno. scummy? yes. Like I don't want to get bogged down into a huge argument over the logical validity of this, the simple fact of the matter is I didn't like the way you made this assumption about Maxuous making the "best vote" or whatever and then used that to ask him a question. feels forced, feels unnatural.In post 181, Nitroglycerin wrote:Is it a bad assumption to make that people will always make the best vote from their vantage point?
Dunn I like the bee puns, keep it upAn explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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This one's id like to save.
I'm working on my VCA skills as I basically don't have any.
Quoting it to have it in my ISO for my comfort.
@Nitroglycerin
The wagon completely died.
There were towny votes, but I have to review one thing before I state something a bit outrageous.
One thing I know, your vote and Human Sequencer votes (he's the second vote, AFAIR.)
Are in place and I have a town lean on HS too.
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Let's see.
Beeboy's vote came in some time after Dunnstral reached L-2.
It doesn't look like a scummy vote, it shouldn't be taken as one.
We didn't hear any "I didn't know he was wagoned so hard".
The vote was intentional in the manner it came in.For science. For the mind!-
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?In post 187, Drone wrote:I state something a bit outrageous.
agreed that beeboy's dunn vote was townie and i guess the reasons you have it as so are valid too
let's kill creature today yeah?An explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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honestly i think my issue with GL's initial post was more like
the minimalism behind it? rather than the reasoning behind the vote. i mean obviously i know it's a wrong vote and i can see just like a linguistic dissonance in how GL and I communicate/view Mafia theory affecting how town!GL views me but like i feel like he's walking on eggshells here if that makes sense.
just shocked that it engaged with so little. as town joining in late i probably would have dug up more on my scumread and that's why i'm still surprised (and kind of peeved) that there's no commentary on Shadow's posting on here. i'd like to know why you haven't said anything about it GL.
either way i'm not going to really entertain a lynch on Dunn/GL today because i think strongarming creature first is the better play hereAn explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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And why is that?In post 190, Nitroglycerin wrote:either way i'm not going to really entertain a lynch on Dunn/GL today because i think strongarming creature first is the better play here
Funny how I'm randomly in your scummo pool even though I haven't done anything that could be construed as suspicious-
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because he's obvious scum and forcing his partner to be in the awkward position of deciding whether or not to bus D1 in a micro is probably smarter play than trying to lynch the scum that makes endgame first since I could be wrong on both of you (GL and you)In post 192, Dunnstral wrote:
And why is that?In post 190, Nitroglycerin wrote:either way i'm not going to really entertain a lynch on Dunn/GL today because i think strongarming creature first is the better play here
Funny how I'm randomly in your scummo pool even though I haven't done anything that could be construed as suspicious
also you're not randomly in my scumpool lmfao but OK dude. if it makes you feel better i can just say i'm not townreading you
you just don't feel as genuine here but that could be my dunnanoia working here
what do you think of my points on GL (work on this with the assumption we're town :death: )An explosive hydra of Shadow_Step and gigabyteTroubadour-
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Compared to?In post 193, Nitroglycerin wrote:you just don't feel as genuine here
I don't think you've ever doubted me before.In post 193, Nitroglycerin wrote:but that could be my dunnanoia working here-
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Doesn't help that I multipost and you... well you fluff it up let's say. Maybe 5 posts worth of contentIn post 194, Nitroglycerin wrote:creature only has 5.7% of posts in the thread rn-
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i think creature would want engage more with the thread this early on yeahIn post 195, Dunnstral wrote:It's too early to be using that. You forcing that as the games just started only hurts your case. There's a reason you'd want to come out with it instantly, however.
i voted for you first for basically that reason though and i'm not really happy with the direction he's going
649, where I did doubt you actuallyDunnstral wrote:
Compared to?In post 193, Nitroglycerin wrote:you just don't feel as genuine here
I don't think you've ever doubted me before.In post 193, Nitroglycerin wrote:but that could be my dunnanoia working here
and yeah you have a point that we're both hyperposters but like statistics account for variation like that. we're still at the point where creature has a 2% chance of being town with that logic due to natural variation and stuff
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