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Post #2459 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:20 am
Postby shadonra »
After day 1 I was pretty sure scum was Shannon + ssbm_kyouko, but game progressed strangely and I'm not sure anymore. That's why I want to do some rereading now
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Post #2464 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:01 pm
Postby shadonra »
VOTE: shannon
I finished. I could still go for kyouko, too. I can't figure out gerry and TTTT at all. Rask looks town - I really like his case on shannon. Not sure at all what to think of Titus, but if this is her scum play, it's really... inspired. Sesq and Drone seem like town, too.
Titus, why did you start the wagon on me based on a no-result? What do you think of Rask's argument that shannon pushed back pretty much until you revealed who you targeted, and then backed off?
@Others wagoning me:
Why? Especially gerry and TTTT, who have not given motivations.
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Post #2466 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:34 pm
Postby shadonra »
In post 2465, shannon wrote:Sorry I've not been here much, I fell ill yesterday and posting properly just seemed too hard. I'll be back tonight with a proper response for Rask.
Welcome, Shadonra. I like your entrance.
Can you tell me more about your read on SSBM? Now that you've pointed it out I feel like that's one player who has been at the centre of things but who no-one has really bothered to look at.
I went back and started rereading day 1 to try to remember why I was scumreading him. I don't see it anymore. I only see more and more reasons to townread him (notably - rb tried to flip the wagon on him a few times). I'm reasonably sure the scumteam is you and Gerry.
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Post #2471 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 5:11 pm
Postby shadonra »
I didn't like what I saw of Kohai on D1. As soon as Gerry replaces in he posts a bunch of LAMIST and is generally impossible to read, then he wagons LUV and delivers this post
In post 2015, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:We already hit a scum so right now its 9 town:2 scum. If we don't kill Titus today and she's not scum, mafia will almost certainly kill her because she has a GS shot left in her. If she gets a guilty and we follow it tomorrow we'd be at worst 7 town:2scum with Titus confirmed scum for faking a gunsmith guilty. If she's scum she'll probably claim a "No Gun" result on someone to avoid having to bus her only remaining teammate.
VOTE: LUV
I think we can do this today after all. Claims have shown he's not who I thought he was when we woke up D2, back to my associative reads
^^^^^ this is SCUM. HE SAYS IM MAF AND THEN VOTES MY SCUMREAD
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Post #2474 (isolation #9) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:31 pm
Postby shadonra »
I didn't work hard reading you that game bc we were both scum. This game, your reads and pushes have been different from what I would have done, but I don't really see anything that points to you being scum.
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Post #2479 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:00 am
Postby shadonra »
I think it'd be fairly insane from a setup perspective if only one of Titus/Drone were scum. I think there's two ways that can go, assuming that they've been neighbors from game start:
1) Both town (more likely, IMO)
2) Both scum (I don't see any reason to make this gambit, and neither of them seems like the kind of person to go for it)
I think the only way that exactly one of them is scum is that Drone is a mafia neighborizer. This is why I asked him about his day1 chat.
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Post #2501 (isolation #14) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:35 am
Postby shadonra »
@shannon, TTTT
You scumread Titus for that crazy play? I don't see at all why scum Titus goes for that instead of simply claiming no result due to getting roleblocked. It reads more like a reaction test to me, which I consider shannon to have failed.
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Post #2525 (isolation #17) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:01 pm
Postby shadonra »
I don't think we should ever lynch Titus unless Drone flips scum first. I don't really want to flip Drone either, tbh, but there's an outside chance that scum are Drone/Titus, so it might be worth it at some point. Kyouko, Sesq, Drone, are you willing to lynch shannon today? I've given up hope of convincing Titus and TTTT
I'm actually not so fine with Shadonra wagon. Unlike Impoetic.
@Shadonra
TTTT, Gerryoat or Kyouko?
Same question for you Raskolnikov.
I want more from Shadonra before he's lynched.
I would take Gerry. I think he's been worse than TTTT overall, and I didn't think kyouko looked that scummy on reread (but his perspective on the game was like upside-down to me. Sesq is here too sometimes)
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Post #2579 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:26 pm
Postby shadonra »
In post 2551, shannon wrote:Look someone needs to move if we're going to get a lynch. I'm prepared to do it, but I want an answer to this first:
What is the point of a two-person neighbourhood if both people in it are *always* town? What makes it different from a masonry, but for the lack of formal confirmation of the other's alignment? (What I mean is: Why would you choose neighbours instead of masons, if neighbours are always town too?)
Greens below are what the wagons look like from my perspective right now, if I follow you all and say T+D are both town. I think Gerry and TTTT are not a team, so I'm wrong someplace. Gut says Titus scum; head says that Drone is probably a better choice if we *really have to* lynch in that pair and in case I'm wrong about Titus.
The only people I 100% won't compromise on to are Rask and Sesq. I 90% won't go SSBM, I have null reads on TTTT and Gerry.
UNVOTE: to show genuine intend to change if reasoned with.
Putting all of the above out there in case I'm lynched or NKed, it's Sunday evening here so the Day could plausibly end while I sleep tonight.
If you are nullish on both Gerry and TTTT, why are you willing to lynch TTTT now and not Gerry?
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Post #2650 (isolation #25) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:01 pm
Postby shadonra »
Where the hell did this kyouko wagon come from? Titus went from not wanting that lynch to wanting it because of associatives with my slot, which has not been confirmed, + his throwing shade at the neighborhood? I hate this wagon. I agree with Titus that it'd be a crazy scum plan to pretend they're a neighborhood, and I agree that we shouldn't lynch Drone today. But I don't think that being sketchy on the neighborhood is scummy, especially when Titus herself didn't trust Drone for like two days (and still, I think). Can we not lynch ssbm today?
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Post #2654 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:10 pm
Postby shadonra »
I do not understand how Titus's no-result on me clears me for town. The argument given here for why ssbm is scum is one of the weakest I've ever seen. I am extremely not understanding why we are not lynching you today.
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Post #2732 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:05 pm
Postby shadonra »
VOTE: shannon
I'm totally not interested in lynching ssbm and having titus scumread me tomorrow, too. No. If you agree with titus, lynch me instead so we can get rid of this stupid tunnel. I'll self-hammer if you get me to L-1.
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Post #2736 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:13 pm
Postby shadonra »
SSBM, I think you should stop trying to lynch the neighbors today. If they're in LYLO we should consider lynching them, but until then I think we should make scum shoot there. Get on shannon.
I'm totally not interested in lynching ssbm and having titus scumread me tomorrow, too. No. If you agree with titus, lynch me instead so we can get rid of this stupid tunnel. I'll self-hammer if you get me to L-1.
If you're town this is so far against wincon it's not funny
I don't agree. I think untunneling Titus will go a long way towards town wincon, I am fairly confident ssbm isn't scum, and I agree with Titus that my slot is dangerous in lylo.
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Post #2756 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:57 pm
Postby shadonra »
In post 2753, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I pounced on you before I knew who you targeted because you were withholding information from us. No result does not mean guilty, and no organic thought process would lead you to believe that, let alone lead you to believe that I'm specifically scum for attacking anti-town play before your target was revealed, especially when there were several players pushing you for that. You're still ignoring the case on Drone and ignoring my claims that you're ignoring it. Doesn't even matter if we no-lynch at this point because if I'm NKed town will lynch you 2 and if I'm lynched they still will. If I'm left alive I'll just get you tomorrow. You guys are finished
You're being just as obstinate as Titus. If the neighbors are actually the scumteam, they're caught. We can kill them at lylo after we've ruled out every other reasonable pair. But can we goddamn
In post 2767, shannon wrote:If Sesq or Rask would like to let me know which wagon they think they're going to end on, I'll vote there now. I've got maybe 10 minutes and then I've really got to get back to work
I really don't like making definitive claims, as I like to be dynamic and open-minded with my reads, unlike the person I'm currently voting for. And for the reasons mentioned above, I'm With Her™ to the end of the day, most likely.
I don't think that what you're saying about Titus makes her scum. I also don't think that a Titus wagon will or should go through, especially since she's a claimed PR with a jailkeeper shot left. Please vote someone who might die today.
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Post #2933 (isolation #50) » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:30 pm
Postby shadonra »
TBH, I had townreads on both of these people, and I agree it's pretty impossible they're both town. I want to give Rask a chance to weigh in before we decide tho, I think I'm way worse at this than he is
In post 3001, Raskolnikov wrote:I think it's a fakeclaim here. The setup seems townsided after the doctor flip and titus has a reputation for claiming crazy things and creative play in general.
She's still alive d4 and didn't jailkeep anyone last night apparently which is straight up dumb after doctor died... Not jailkeeping shadonra makes sense with how much she expressed the scumread (and apparently ascetic) but you'd at least jailkeep kyouko if you see them as partner and they're heavily townread and a possible NK to boot.
Titus is a really experienced player and even though the conviction makes it sound like she believes what she says I think it's not that hard to fake, given the simplicity of her arguments.
It's weird too because fluffy seemed benign enough and I really liked titus pushing shannon when I got in but I'm definitely not sure on that one anymore. Probably not the most reliable tell there is tbh.
That said, now of all times shadonra's actually kind of gone quiet even though his entrance was pretty good. Given he's being hard pushed by titus who's leading wagon he should really give his thoughts on all of this. I want his analysis and some stances here as opposed to sheeping.
If today's a mislynch this becomes pretty much unwinnable so today HAS to be done right. Would be a bit more comfortable with this if titus didn't rocket to l-1 as fast as she did either.
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Post #3011 (isolation #56) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:49 pm
Postby shadonra »
In post 3002, Drone wrote:The choice of Impoetic and for gunsmith and the result seem like a safe claim.
This can add up.
Again, we can be horribly wrong here, but the doc flip points she did fake claim.
Since she's this good, I'm confident with the lynch.
She'd be bashing me and dissing me hard for voting her if she'd be town.
Can you explain this part? I don't understand how claiming no result = guilty on Impo is a safe claim. I assume by doc -> Titus fake claim you mean that the setup is townsided, but from my POV I know there's a roleblocker. I don't like the rest of your post, but I don't have Titus meta so I don't feel like judging you on this.
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Post #3012 (isolation #57) » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:00 pm
Postby shadonra »
I think the strangest thing that happened today was that TTTT got nightkilled.
Impo/Shad - mislynchable
Titus - Town could be convinced to lynch neighbors in LyLo, probably
Drone - ditto
Rask - Seems too town to be alive, tbh
Shannon - mislynchable
kyouko - kinda null, doesn't seem strong enough town to NK
Sesq - I expected this or Rask to die.
I think the nightkill points towards Rask/Sesq, and slightly towards Titus (strange things apparently point to Titus)