Open 664 - Tit for Tat (Mafia Wins)

[Aelin]

Hello.
Vote: innocentvillager
I don't trust the name

[Aelin]

Oops thought we were still in rvs? How did I miss 2 pages

[Aelin]

I've seen a few games on here and other websites which have.
VOTE: Innocentvillager

[Aelin]

Not particularly.
RVS helps give a feel of other players at first.
Also not everyone has posted yet.

[Aelin]

Sorry am late for the party.
VOTE: bang
Cos his name is a scumslip

Why can't it be a Vig slip?

I like Alisae till now

Either he is 'Bang' who is the mafia or he wants to bang the mafia.

VOTE: Spade_Ace
OMGUS!!!

Till now? What about that sentence made you not like them any more?

[Aelin]

UNVOTE

[Aelin]

Ew Mala.
Why will you not post now?
Refusinf to post is not beneficial at all and will not help town reach serious game mode

[Aelin]

Does Kain ever play seriously in a game or is he just no. 1 troll?

[Aelin]

The MM I unvoted Kain

[Aelin]

Unovoted innocent*

[Aelin]

That's not a straight answer Alisae.
Rather, it's avoiding the question by answering with another question

[Aelin]

Hello. Sorry I have not been on but I have been visiting family and whatnot

[Aelin]

Read through Mala's iso.
Lots of asking for reads etc yet never giving them herself.
If you could please give some reads @malakittens.

[Aelin]

I AM TOWN,, and i hope you notice the WASHING WATER nature of innocent villager that is why i am VOTING HIM!!!!!!!!

Kain it would be easier if you explained exactly what washing water is and why it makes innocent villager scummy

[Aelin]

Both Spade and IV ping me a bit, but Spade more so.
He constantly is calling the case on him null and void and blames his scumminess on inactivity, which is not the case at all.
Is Spade's vote still just on CD from RVS?
I also want to read through Mala's iso because at first I was getting scum vibes

[Aelin]

VOTE: innocentvillager

Not liking his posts so far. They all seem ambiguous.

Very quick to jump on there weren't you?

[Aelin]

Hey iv

I'm scum why??

Twist this around
@malakittens. You're town why?

[Aelin]

the reason you change your vote to be on someone should be because you actually noticed something significant that points in the direction of them being scum

You've been called out for not providing content lately, started getting some suspicion on you. All you've really done this game is clarify, engage in irrelevant discussion, talk about merits of RVS and stuff, and at one point you literally voted me for like "ambiguous posts". Is that a legitimate reason to vote someone?

Here, you're calling out Crystalline for 1) irrelevant posting, which a. you yourself do and b. is completely null 2) you townread me for a post they scumread me for.

I cannot buy that as a logical, real genuine thought out town process for switching a vote. Your scumtells and follow-up votes have so far all been based on "ambiguity and irrelevance", which are in no way significant scumtells and I doubt town!you would've actually had these thoughts organically arise.

Spade then proceeds to completely ignore this case and shade Alisae

[Aelin]

Why aren't you voting for Spade then?

Hey iv

I'm scum why??

Twist this around
@malakittens. You're town why?

What are you trying to say here?

I second uzi, what the fuck are you expecting to accomplish with this question and why in reference to that specific post??

Both Spade and IV ping me a bit, but Spade more so.
He constantly is calling the case on him null and void and blames his scumminess on inactivity, which is not the case at all.
Is Spade's vote still just on CD from RVS?
I also want to read through Mala's iso because at first I was getting scum vibes

Okay so you scumread both me and spade, but the only specifics you lay out are spades scummy posturing against me, and his ignoring of my case against him which you seem to agree with (maybe extrapolating here but implied i think).

a) does it not bother you that both of us are scumreads yet we are going after each other? Surely it must at least be mention worthy for your thought process?
b) does it not bother you that you are using one of your scumreads points and examples of him to illustrate why your other scumread is scummy?

Inno if we're talking about catchup posts, Aelin's doesn't look that good either tbh

i dont have a problem with them at all whats your problem with it?

@alisae answer plz?

a) I agree my reasoning there is slightly flawed. But I think there is a strong possibility one of you is scum. A villager pushing a wolf or vice versa.
Actually Ace being oppurtunistic makes me lean towards him being scum.
Kain is an oddball, and a type of player I have seen to a lesser degree, who I struggle to read well.
His pushes so far are decent though.

(Look above for b, I suppose in a way it answers it.)
Alisae, could you anseer the question IV asked you so I can understand your point.
Spade, do you scumread people pushing you?
These people I asked for answers please give them so I can give out my reads on you further

[Aelin]

Anyone else you scumread?
Do you scumread me?

[Aelin]

Perhaps I misunderstood the shading I thought I saw.
You seemed awful focused on just one vote on you and got very defensive very quick though.
Also don't omit the question I asked about your scumreads.

[Aelin]

Possibly suspecting Mala. Waiting for a reply.
3. I will soon most likely and you are not doing a very good job of making me not to do

[Aelin]

Good answer

[Aelin]

Going through this one person per post because on mobile

[Aelin]

Something from her perspective I lack, Alisae has been giving out reads, asking people and progressing the game, so a town read

[Aelin]

Aubrey has lots of big walls of texts, which can be used so that scum cannot participate.
Also Aubrey why do you question the Ace wagon?
Scum lean

[Aelin]

Well bang hasn't been on since the 22nd so null for him

[Aelin]

I actually can in a way see where Spades is coming from with the scumread on CD. Their posts are almost entirely pokemon/fluff posts.
Slight scum

[Aelin]

Hawk hopefully comes on again.
Agree with the read on Mala at least, but am liking how she responded to my reaction test

[Aelin]

I just remwmbered something.
Alisae you completely answer questions though
....why?


IV is as Kain said in a way washing (TREADING) water. But like him better than Spade who is doing the same.
IV you find the fact that I scumread both you and Ace a while back as scummy correct?

[Aelin]

My eyes kind of glazed over when I saw the ridiculous amount of exclamation!!!! Marks!!!! In Kain's iso.

I cannot be sure of him, which is why his play is actually a smart play.
(Also am curious of this Transcend guy he was compared to)
Sorry for short posts and large amount of phoneposting.
Alisae you refuse at first to answer questions directly at you

[Aelin]

Is that the only reason for a scumread on me?

[Aelin]

Kop am liking but have to ask.
What happened at the start with your scumread on spade then it was withdrawn?
Dude really Alisae.
I'm saying that when one's iso is nothinf but fluff and shitposts THEN it is a concern

[Aelin]

Uzi town.
Last post at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8664540 seems a little hasty since is presuming that Spade is scum before a flip. Clearing a person because of a vote before the person they are voting has flipped is icky.

[Aelin]

I meant the unvote for Kop

[Aelin]

It's not my duty to convince you I'm town. It's my duty to explain and lynch who I believe is scum.

Done a 180 and slightly townreading Mala because this post.
The whole "are you town" thing is a reaction test picked up from MU.
The response here is a key indicator of town.

[Aelin]

Explained my Spade read

[Aelin]

Do you scumread Spade Aubrey.

[Aelin]

I think English isn't Aelin's first language and she's being misread a bit because of that.

Yes sorry I'm trying :/.


Aubrey reasons?

[Aelin]

On another note.
Aubrey what exactly is your read on Spades and why

[Aelin]

Do you scumread Spade Aubrey.

:/

I'm not inclined to vote him right now. Otherwise my vote would be on him.

Hmm.
Not a proper answer

[Aelin]

Why will you not give reasons?
Why are you townreadinf him by default?

[Aelin]

Hmm fair enough Aubrey but what do you think of him oppurtunistically pushing someone as soon as he can?
@KainTepes curious why do you play this way?

[Aelin]

"I like Alisae till now" implies you liked Alisae, up until then Bang.
Typical scum move Aubrey. Inatead of answering a question shading another player.
But do you townread or scumread dagger then for making that move as well?

[Aelin]

@KainTepes

answer my question. Why do you play this way?

[Aelin]

I can say this now but Spade where are you? A game we played together just finished and he was very active during that.
Leaning Spade as scum but agree we should not put him at L-1

[Aelin]

VOTE: Alisea

Reason?

[Aelin]

One thing at a time. Want KT to answer my question first.

It's not my duty to convince you I'm town. It's my duty to explain and lynch who I believe is scum.

this is my answer to your question.....

you didnt say you were aggressive directly but that was the implication,,

Meh unless she had actually said the words "I play aggressive" or like that your case isn't very strong atm

[Aelin]

@Spade_Ace just because I understand reasoning doesn't just magic away scummy things.
The Mala reaction test does work in a lot of cases, but perhaps may be a little hasty sometimes.
I'd prefer you, but also want to look into iso's a bit deeper.

[Aelin]

Crystalline Dagger are a disgrace

[Aelin]

Alisae let me get this straight.
You townread Spade for rolefishing?...

[Aelin]

I haven't yet decided how I lean on the three you mentioned so far. I liked the Hawk getting us out of RVS, but I don't like his early reads.
Yes KT and IV will both be pia reads for me.

Maybe they will be vigged for my sanity.

Aubrey and Spade: Self-vote in RVS from Alisae to me is an engage me vote not nesscarily null. IME it's often town looking to start ppl talking, accidentally start a wagon, or in general just be different and standout during RVS. So I engaged wanting to see what he had to say.

She seems to have bread crumbed (stuff I have marked in green). It can either be:
1) An innocent random town post: If so why did she go to the extra efforts of making the size small.
2) It is a Vig soft claim. If it is, then it is a DUMB DUMB Obvious one. Cos i noticed ryt away while doing the ISO.
3) It is a scum, who wants to later claim she was a Vig. And show proof that she had already breadcrumbed.
4) She is directing the vig to kill someone.

@Mala please explain. If you are indeed Vig then Scum would have definitely noticed it and is purposefully quite about it.

This whole post reeks of rolefishing. (PS never do this ever again if this happens in another game)

The really, really bad part about this is that I actually think Spade might be town for this.

I'm pretty much not going to reply to half of this, but what I have to do say on the matter is the following:

This post was to ensure WIFOM. (however spade made have just fucked it up in one swoop)
I have a pretty high patience and sanity level. If you break that level then that's pretty much a hardcore red flag.
If I were to direct vig targets it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing to follow it since I have a 100% success rate of playing vig and winning as town in this setup.

~

Another thing is spade still got a pass for not answering about his read on me. This post feels like a distraction.

Ah I got confused between Mala and you.
Mala. That makes no logical sense.

[Aelin]

Alisae progression on Spades is odd... scum as well are forced to produce reads, which can be complete bullshit.
I remember in a gamr once having to work on reads for 2 hours as scum...

[Aelin]

Because the only post you did in 5 days was a prod dodge earlier today, and had you not posted since it would ne disgusting

[Aelin]

Both heads did not post for at least 3 days

[Aelin]

Not notsble content when neither exceeds 2 lines

[Aelin]

What is the votecount at?

[Aelin]

514 is a better reference and I messed up the code again with a space anyway lol

What are your opinions on it? You Scumlean Aelin, are your top two scum Spade and Aelin? If so isn't it disconcerting that Spade is scumming Aelin and Aelin doesn't seem happy with Spade and is scumleaning him?

Doesn't seem happy is an understatement lmao the only reason I want to know where the votes are at is so I don't accidentally Spades

[Aelin]

Accidentally hammer*

[Aelin]

There is a difference however from Kain the last game I played with him and this game. Last game, if you were to alter a post so that it was punctuated correctly etc and was lower case you would be able to find it almost logical, but not this game

[Aelin]

Alisae, you truly are full of holes in your iso.
Looks like Spade wagon has vanished. Mysterious.

[Aelin]

The KT wagon was pretty ridiculous and the amount of momentum it gains matches up with one of/both of Alisae and Spades being scum

[Aelin]

Was pretty obvious he was a power role seeing as he was so insistent about not claiming until L1, and being so sure he wouldn't get lynched.

Could be scum fake claiming, but I seriously doubt it. Seems to early for that.

Woah what's with the shade on KT in that last sentence?

[Aelin]

Mala calling Spades town for rolefishing os also really scummy.
Ah nice one KT. Done that in a game before with a "broken image url" but died before I could use it

[Aelin]

@Mala yoy did not answer this.
Why do you townread Spades for rolefishing?

[Aelin]

Spades third scum?

[Aelin]

Alisae.
You have no reasonings for anything and refuse to answer when people ask for reasoning.
Why?

[Aelin]

and yeah I won't vote myself, I need to give people the power to evaluate the votes on my wagon.

Who do you think is scum on your wagon?

[Aelin]

What is the reason for the scumread? I'm usually pretty tame on MS compared to MU.
But the reason for you acting differently adds up to you being a PR this game not you being scum instead I realised Kain.

[Aelin]

Not new year yet KT but thanks

[Aelin]

Pretty sure now Bang is town

[Aelin]

I dont know why, but i hav startes getting a feeling that Alisae cud be a town.

I also thought all along that Mala had soft claimed. But if not, she cud be a townie too.

In that case, maybe we can lynch Aelin.

Pedit: KT, I dont find anything scummy. Please remember your crumbs were not picked up by many. And you did act very jumpy in last few pages

Also, i hav seen thia happen many times- when someone is a conftown due to being investigated or due to claiming, they start guiding the town against those eho suspected them- in my opinion its NAI. If someone is scummy, even townies will suspect them right?

And duw to the burden oof some extra knowledge, sometimes PRs do tend to behave in a way thats similar to acum.

I m signing out. Its 3.30 am here. But please dont wagon anyone beyond L-2.

Post is very reasonable and I feel like scum hypothetically who wanted to make it look like Mala was softclaiming would not back down and could secure a lynch on Mala as lynchbait for "softclaiming vig".

[Aelin]

you didn't seem to townread Mala before,, though, AELIN,,

Mala calling Spades town for rolefishing os also really scummy.
Ah nice one KT. Done that in a game before with a "broken image url" but died before I could use it

why are you suddenly acting like you are sure MALA is town?

no. That is not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that the situation is not Bang being scum and Mala being town. I'm not saying that Mala can't be scum.

[Aelin]

Yes that possibility sprung to mind after I clicked submit. But honestly, mafias reads in games often go stale and are set in stone even distancing reads but Bang thought it through and changed.
Towny thought lrocess

[Aelin]

I never inferred you and Alisae moving to Mala.

[Aelin]

I wasn't looking at any of the peopoe who may be on the wagon.
I was saying my reason for townreading Bang.
Are you that paranoid or something?

[Aelin]

I don't see how that connects to you in anyway.
Did I ever say I scumread you?

[Aelin]

I don't see how that connects to you in anyway.
Did I ever say I scumread you?

685 You don't say it out right but at the time the two scum KT was certain of was Alisae and Me so the scum wagon you're referring to is Spade, Alisae, Hawk. So yes you scumread me.

Now let me point out inconsistencies in your shit.

366 and 500 Here's where you town read Mala from a reaction test.

523 Here's a sheep on me being upset about CD not posting...

569 and 567 You ask about vote counts cause you want to be on Spade but don't want Spade hammered. Carefully setting up all your distancing with Spade.

595 Here's you don't like KT.
661 and 666 Literally your next two posts you flip off KT to it being ridiculous look back at Alisae and Spade.

668 Distractionary post on Aubrey now that KT is confirmed? Explain why Town!Aelin says this.

677 and we're back to Mala being scum off Spade's read. Yep inconsistent as fuck.

Please. Aelin don't dodge the question again. What is town!Aelin's reasoning behind this behavior? Because Scum!Aelin is kinda looking like the only reason I can see.


VOTE: Aelin

1. I have gone over this.
2. I townread Mala from the reaction test but then thought it over.
3. 3 days no posting on a hydra is always disgusting. Me pointing that out shouldn't even be alignment indicative.
4. No. What I do not like at all is Spade wagon going so quickly at the first window of oppurtunity still and would fully support it being built up again. I simply did not want to hammer. Last towngame on here I was scumread and mislynched for not wanting to hammer someone who flipped scum.
5. Because some people are going under the radar in this game like Aubrey
6. I've been thinking things through this game and differ my meta because too many times my reads have stayed the same since the start of the game on different websites and partly rely on omgus and can potentially cost towm the game so yes my reads have changed a lot this game

[Aelin]

Spades finish your reads list

[Aelin]

Meh I'm not ss new as you seem to think Aubrey, but still fairly new. Played about 15 games across websites.
What's your strongest scum reads?

[Aelin]

I'm sorry I've just been swept off my feet all day. Literally. It's midnight here and I'm completely shattered.
Don't understand the sudden CD suspicion from Little Uzi. Slot laziness is something I dislike but not necessarily scummy.wiue
Would always vote Spade over Alisae but her AtE in latest posts have been nasty.
Aubrey, never seen you say before you're not a big fan of me before.

[Aelin]

Don't ywall get it I'm lynch bait ;~;

Like these posts

[Aelin]

As in the AtE was nasty in these posts not meaning I like those posyd

[Aelin]

I'll be here for half an hour really tired but don't fsncyctalking to muself

[Aelin]

Spades finish your reads list

This. Is. Still. Fucking. Relevant

[Aelin]

oh wait he claimed.
Ok
VOTE: Aelin

can we lynch this please,,

Sure. I stopped caring now.
VOTE: Alisae

ew.

End my misery please.

More AtE I did not notice

[Aelin]

I'm going to sleepgn

[Aelin]

I don't understand what you want me to defend myself on exactly which I haven't. I'd like to also focus on figuring things out before I may or may not die.
Aubrey do you actually have reads on Alisae or I at all or are you going to just skit around the 2 main wagons all day

[Aelin]

@Hawk confirmation bias much?? Did you check out the very first sentence on my Mala read?

Mala - Scum Lean (keeping aside Post 522)

I didn't know what to make of the breadcrumb issue, didn't clearly understand Mala's response to it and everyone seemed to think it was a bad idea. So I 'kept that aside' from my read. I gave a scumlean way before Kain claimed Vig. How is this being opportunistic? Also unlike everyone else I dont believe exposing breadcrumbs is anti-town.

Also explain to me how I am distancing myself from Aelin? She is clearly dragging me down with her. I have been calling her out on her convenient scumread from the start.

Hawk I am starting to really not like you. You simply used Alisae's argument,Post 555 against me. Your breadcrumb issue was already explained in detail by Kop and bang. Do you not have any original thoughts or arguments??

Also, what is the deal with everyone about my reads.
Scum - Aelin, Mala
Scum leaning - Alisae, hawk
NULL -IV, CD, bang, Lil
Town - Aubrey, Kop, Kain
Expected CD to be defensive against my accusations. He simply didn't care. Quite indifferent throughout the game.
VOTE: Aelin

Why only expand on the first 3 reads:/?

[Aelin]

Hey KT I know we said we think Aelin and Alisae can't both be Mafia but don't you find it weird Aelin isn't voting. Let alone isn't voting Alisae despite saying she thinks Alisae's AtEs are nasty...

THIS happened last game on here and I have parroted many times...
I don't vote people to L-1 most the time.
If Alisae and I are scum, I would've bussed her by now, no point in making myself more suspicious by staying off

[Aelin]

16 HOURS LEFT.......... why is ALISAE SO HARD TO LYNCH?? her buddies must be FAKING NOT BEING ONLINE SO THAT THERE WILL BE NO LYNCH..... someone just lynch ALISAE PLEASE

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Is this a code or meant to startle town?

[Aelin]

I am probably going to sleep soon.
Alisae is a dirty AtEr trying to create doubt VOTE: Alisae

[Aelin]

I am making far too many mistakes. My apologies.

Votecount N°9

Not Voting (1):

Aelin

Alisae (5):

Aubrey, Malakittens, KainTepes, Hawk, Kop

Spade_Ace (1):

innocentvillager

Aelin (5):

Alisae, Lil Uzi Vert, bangthemafia, Spade_Ace, Crystalline Dagger

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline in: (expired on 2017-01-04 12:00:00)

Not hammer you're on L-1

[Aelin]

Aww my fakehammer didn't work ;~;

What did you expect to happen?

[Aelin]

Last Reads
Kain Town
Uzi Town
Kop Town
Aubrey Town
Hawk Town
Bang maybe town
IV Town

Mala Null

Aelin Scum
Spade Scum
CD Scum

Why CD

[Aelin]

Don't like their words.

Huh

[Aelin]

Don't like their words.

Huh

I don't like the words coming out of their mouth.

Well no shit

[Aelin]

Probably going to sleep now. Won't be here for EoD tomorrow

[Aelin]

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Last frustrated post

[Aelin]

Am town glgl

[Aelin]

To be honest there were some obvious scum slips from all 3 of us there (sorry to rope you guys in you both played amazing) but one thing constantly with Spade town should've seen was him constantly going silent when asked for reads which seemed glaringly obvious from an outsider's view.
Bang was an obvious jk from all the awkward questions about the jk no vanilla would've asked

[Aelin]

To be honest there were some obvious scum slips from all 3 of us there (sorry to rope you guys in you both played amazing) but one thing constantly with Spade town should've seen was him constantly going silent when asked for reads which seemed glaringly obvious from an outsider's view.
Bang was an obvious jk from all the awkward questions about the jk no vanilla would've asked

The problem was, he wasn't alone in going silent. How often would CD, Mala, or IV appear then go quite? It's hard to just isolate one person out of a group like that solely based on activity. In the end, I think this is a good game to showcase how important it is for a town to be rather active and aggressive overall vs. silent and kinda dormant. While it is true activity alone isnt AI, it does however play a key role in winning or losing a game.

I think the one thing that was never highlighted this game was that some of the slots getting voted by us were kinda easy slots to vote for by scum. IV for example was super easy for me to place a vote on due to the lack of activity and vigor. Scum like easy slots to vote, and to be able to keep their vote placed.

Yeah doubt I may even notice Spade in particular as a townie in all fairness due to other players following suit. Inactivity did really hurt the town.


On another note, thanks for hosting The MM ^.^.