Open 661: Pick Your Poison [Game Over]

[LicketyQuickety]

I won't if you help me flip tojam. I'll tell you why then.

I don't like secrets and I am probably going to die tonight so I won't be around to hear it from you itt.

It makes sense to kill me before titus. Reason is this:

I am confirmed at this point even if Titus is Scum. The reason for this is that Titus can only claim me as Town, since claiming me as Scum would be suicide.

But there is something that is bothering me about the claim. Titus didn't even wait 24 hours before they gave their result? Why? Titus said they would wait a while before they came out with their claim. Not even every one posted by the time she gave here result.

Titus, what did you get out of waiting that short time to claim I am innocent?

[LicketyQuickety]

I actually

should

have been the NK (if there even was one). Reason for this is I am most likely to get lynched. BUT NOT ANYMORE!!!

[LicketyQuickety]

No, you were the cop check. Killing you would have given a useless clear.

Well maybe in a perfect world, yeah.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah well it was obvious the vig's either tojam or Gamma since they were the only two people scumreading Vax, wanted to make sure.

UNVOTE:

Gotta think this through

What does your lynch pool look like?

[LicketyQuickety]

Tracker it is then!

[LicketyQuickety]

This is the outline, I can expand on anything in there:

Lickety case:
Heavy defense of ThinkBig
Advocated for SS policy lynch
996- he calls the push on SS a mislynch, then ebwop in 997 to say policy lynch, then after you start to spam the thread with music videos. Maybe trying to put some distance from a post that should have been more damaging if more people were on.
Calls someone out for bringing up old posts, then out of nowhere he starts rehashing old shit posts. Refuses to give reasons for his scum read on someone, and then asks someone to explain their read on him (2x). Quick turn in my situation too.
Pissing match with Grey (aka the conftown guy)
1137- coaching his scum partners in case he got lynched.
Buddying up to me.
1196-
Repeatedly calls for someone to cc the fake cop, is this because he knows that Think was lying and wanted the real cop to out themselves?
1268
965 never takes risks, 1292 says risk is NAI.
1383- Third cop claim?!?
1513- nows the time to admit to a gambit? Really? You said you did it before on another site, and I asked if you were scum in that game. Instead of just answering you linked me to a game from another site with no context whatsoever. It was a simple question, did you ask that question in the game you linked as scum or as town?

Bravo on this case mate.

Thanks, too bad it was off base. I had a pretty strong town read on you during my read through, then something happened and all I could see was scum. Glad to have you with us though than against us, I have a feeling you are a hard person to lynch as scum.

I will be a hard person to lynch as Scum

EVENTUALLY

. But thanks, though you are a bit edgy, you still have class.

[LicketyQuickety]

Am I the only asshole on here that uses mafia as an excuse to

not

spend time with people around the holidays?

Nope. If it was up to me, I would spend new years in bed by like 5 PM. Yes, my sleeping schedule is that fucked up.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety I'm quickly coming to like you.

I see what you did there.

[LicketyQuickety]

I got a really good deal on it so I got her a queen size
She's only 3, but it was $165 for everything.

A Queen sized bed for a 3 year old, lol.

[LicketyQuickety]

Its way too early in the day to do a lynch. Best thing to do now is find Town reads.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fuck.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Titus, @Tojam2,

What do you guys think about adding aronagrundy to the Town block?

I am most suspicious of Gamma and cheesy atm. I also hated that hammer by culted, but I don't think culted would be ballsy enough to do that as Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

The problem is I scumread Gamma in almost every game we play together and I'm yet to be correct.

I also hated that hammer by culted, but I don't think culted would be ballsy enough to do that as Scum.

How well do you know culted?

I know how they played in the beginning of the game. Culted pointed out that something was "off" about you. That's how I know Culted has the ability to pay very close attention to what is happening itt.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nothing's off about me
Also scum have even better reasons to pay close attention

Bro, you alt slipped... What do you call that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Thinking culted and arona may be scum based on early game interactions, culted moreso.
VOTE: culted

You're going to have to explain that one:

VOTE: Gamma

[LicketyQuickety]

TB seemed to be trying to guide culted.

Quotes and explanations or it didn't happen.

I find your vote really opportunistic if you can't do this.

[LicketyQuickety]

ThinkBig I havent' read anything yet, but so far the thread looks to be mostly shit-posting. Who do you think I should have reads on at this point?

LQ suggested that it is unlikely that Vedith and PP are the same alignment. What do you think? Also, what do you think of raeleo's "parked" vote only to quickly remove it?

This. It feels like TB is guiding culted by giving a way to enter the conversation.

Did you forget that TB tunneled on Culted for like 6 posts and then voted them? How do you explain that?

[LicketyQuickety]

ThinkBig I havent' read anything yet, but so far the thread looks to be mostly shit-posting. Who do you think I should have reads on at this point?

LQ suggested that it is unlikely that Vedith and PP are the same alignment. What do you think? Also, what do you think of raeleo's "parked" vote only to quickly remove it?

This. It feels like TB is guiding culted by giving a way to enter the conversation.

Did you forget that TB tunneled on Culted for like 6 posts and then voted them? How do you explain that?

Where?

I already linked it. Did you not even read that post? As I recall you asked "what do all these quotes mean?" or something to that effect.

[LicketyQuickety]

1640

[LicketyQuickety]

If he was your biggest tr, why was he rushing a lynch? Did that not seem suspicious at all especially when non flipped town.

Did you NK FF?

[LicketyQuickety]

@tojam2,

IMO, arona has too much depth in their posts to be Scum.

Besides associations, why do you think they are Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

They feel off

Where's your vote at?

In what way do cheesy and I feel off? Care to elaborate?

As for realeo let me toss a question back at you; do you think scum are more likely to contradict themselves so openly? And was there nothing to your eye that could have made his move-away from gamma come more from a town-mindset?

The first question is a definite yes. In my experience, often contradict themselves to distance from each other.

Not sure what you mean by the second question.

I have no scum reads and 13 town reads, is that bad?

Means you need to try harder.

Vedith's post was a reaction test. I wouldn't put too much thought into his post

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

VOTE: Culted

First serious vote in the game and this is not an OMGUS. Thus far he has put in minimal effort and has not explained his reads. Culted, why do you think Raeleo and I are mafia?

But why is it a scummy contradiction?

What I'm saying is I didn't know if you took into consideration realo's interaction with gamma he had quickly while he was voting him.
It's scummy to ignore that and wave around a surface level contradiction directly complimenting it.

@Thinkbig - did you miss this

Nope. I'm phone posting and in class. Won't be able to respond to everything right away.

@Culted did you miss this?

These posts in succession tell me culted is most likely Town.

This doesn't look like a tunnel.

I can't say it looks like SvS from my angle.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay. Can you state anything specific that makes you think so?

I was about to ask you if you could point out anything specific that make is look SvS. You go first.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Culted

[LicketyQuickety]

Also we should have a conversation about realeo since his slot seems to be in the hot seat. Would scum really replace out like he did?

This is why I think they're not scum together. Even for the most distancing scum team, it is unlikely they would both replace out. One of them is town and the other is most likely scum.

What happened to you saying that the argument could be TvT?

There's not much of a sharpness to your interaction with thinkbig here to my eye that would make me discount svs at all.

Looks like hyper awareness to some mundane things a partner would be more likely to pay attention to and I'm not really seeing any closure about it either.
If this is what you voted thinkbig for it sure took you a while after this interaction to put a vote down as well.

Funny, the same thing could be said about you...

[LicketyQuickety]

Culted is polarizing the votes. I view this as a Scum tactic.

[LicketyQuickety]

w/e

just lynch arona tomorrow please

Don't interrupt my Scum hunting, YOU made that mistake twice this game and once cost us more than half the game day.

[LicketyQuickety]

You know what I hate more than anything is game-drag. Especially when this shit should be easy.

IC, so you have solved the game already?

I am ready for your thesis...

[LicketyQuickety]

But sure yea I'm scum and my masterplan was 'interupt scumhunting' when everyone and there mom wasn't gonna be around anyway and nn30 was a barrier half the game needed broken to lynch actual scum.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVING ON.

I think you could be faking actually.

Vibrant language when it isn't needed is the reason.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, since when was Mafia easy?
Dammit stop posting over me.

It just takes a couple years!

mmmm...

Now I have even more reason to Scum read you.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:
Tbh if LQ wasn't confirmed by Titus, I'd be voting him.
If we don't lynch scum today, we'll be in a shitty spot. Let's say we lynch somebody and he flips town, then our genius vig shoots me and scum kills him cause there aren't any not-confirmed townies left. We're left in a 2v2, which is an autoloss.

This is a shitty post...

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Cheesy

Now we're all in agreement arona .

Well I said it couldn't be culted/cheesy either right? I agree that cheesy is more likely to be gamma's scumpartner but would still rather do gamma.

There should be no talk about associations, now that I have had time to think about things. I made that mistake day 2 and I think we saw how that worked out - not very well.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote Count 3.1

culted:

Cheesy, Gamma Emerald, LicketyQuickety (L-1)

Gamma Emerald:

aronagrundy (L-3)

aronagrundy:

culted (L-3)

Cheesy:

tojam2 (L-3)

Not voting:

Titus

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Night will fall in (expired on 2017-01-10 07:49:00).

looking at this, it makes me think cheesy and culted.

Thoughts @Titus?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: aronagrundy

Nice, this produced good results. I am reconsidering my read on this person now.

[LicketyQuickety]

No one hammer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Do you think I'm scummier than gamma/cheesy?

This looks a lot like the power of suggestion that I used a lot in the last Scum game I finished.

[LicketyQuickety]

it's me wondering why cheesy/gamma are getting away with not posting anything of value today (I explained why this is scummy)

How does that make it less of a power of suggestion comment?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not sure how it was a power of suggestion comment. I've never seen anyone use that phrase on this site until now. If it was it wasn't intentional

There is no such thing as using power of suggestion without knowing that you are doing it...

[LicketyQuickety]

I got the weekend free. Lets Town hunt while everyone else is gone for the weekend.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not sure how it was a power of suggestion comment. I've never seen anyone use that phrase on this site until now. If it was it wasn't intentional

There is no such thing as using power of suggestion without knowing that you are doing it...

I think there is such a thing, this is probably why I'm scumread most games.

Well, you prolly have to play differently given you're not a very active poster.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Umlaut, they'll still have banging headaches around about now, I stayed sober, I am fine

Oh yeah, Happy New Year All!

Happy new year. May this year be different from the last.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: cheesy

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm voting cheesy already aren't I.

That's not what the VC says.

[LicketyQuickety]

Woo
LQ get your head outta your ass

NO!

[LicketyQuickety]

Hammer on me = scumclaim.

Just to recall, arona's whole reason for voting me is this

Also, just to clarify the cheesy vote I made, I don't think he'd have this fatalistic attitude if he was town. Scum have so many more reasons to be giving up right now. If he was town he'd be in the same boat I'm in, with only three players left to look at, with two of them being scum. If there was ever a more motivating situation to be in as town, this would be it.

Which is shit cause she has no idea how I play. Then she follows up with bullshit pre-flip associations.

LQ has changed his opinion on me overnight without giving a reason (fucking cop confirmed?)

And tojam has made enough shit choices to ignore his input

What I'm trying to say is

Oh My God You Suck

Oh, my reason for Scum reading you? Its that nice little thing that I quoted you before you slipped and Aero quoting me on that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lol LQ I love how you're acting like you can catch scum on some single bullshit that you always wrap so nicely in buzzwords

I'm unaware of what buzzword I used, mind pointing that out?

[LicketyQuickety]

"Slip"
You also like to throw around others like "false dichotomy", "strawman", "logical fallacy", "AtE", "IIoA" etc etc

Like you seem to think everything's exactly black and white like they write in the wiki. Spoiler: it's not

LOL. AFAIK, I haven't used any of those words inappropriately. If something is

actually

some kind of logical fallacy, then it is not a buzzword. As far as AtE goes, I think that one should be pretty apparent. IDK who you are "red herring" this discussion right now...

I also don't think much of "slips" so I have no idea what you are talking about there.

[LicketyQuickety]

"Slip"
You also like to throw around others like "false dichotomy", "strawman", "logical fallacy", "AtE", "IIoA" etc etc

Like you seem to think everything's exactly black and white like they write in the wiki. Spoiler: it's not

LOL. AFAIK, I haven't used any of those words inappropriately. If something is

actually

some kind of logical fallacy, then it is not a buzzword. As far as AtE goes, I think that one should be pretty apparent. IDK why you are "red herring" this discussion right now...

I also don't think much of "slips" so I have no idea what you are talking about there.

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

Cheesey, That was a great play claiming Scum. Really that was a pretty unique play!

[LicketyQuickety]

Cheesey, That was a great play claiming Scum. Really that was a pretty unique play!

Can we call it cheesing?

LOL, I like that idea actually.

Tojam, you made the right play in the end when I prolly would've got it wrong. You made up for past mistakes in the end.

[LicketyQuickety]

Also "What was the vigilante thinking?" FF was opportunistic as hell while nn wasn't posting and then nn flipped town, who else could I go for, bearing in mind he was a read, not a conftown.

This is where I think we have very different styles/Scum hunt completely differently.

I would've shot someone else besides FF. FF was a really strong Town read for me. I also think there was no way FF was getting lynched, which would be why NKing him was the wrong play.

[LicketyQuickety]

Grey was so awesome, he literally couldn't have done it better <bows>
Sorry I went so hard on you arona, confbias op
Titus, what would've been your decision yesterday if tojam didn't hammer?
LQ I'm still kinda mad at you for flipping your read on me like that but I guess we're just too different
Tojam don't get discouraged by your mistakes, vigilante is a pretty ungrateful role.
And lastly, thanks for hosting the game Umlaut! (even though I still think that warning was bullshit)
Been nice playing with y'all.

Yeah, I have a history as Town to change my reads mid game for the worse. I do it for both my Town and Scum reads. I am just too open to different possibilities and if I can see a slot in a different light, I usually change the read. Its like the opposite of Confbias, but works in a bad way.

[LicketyQuickety]

btw I TOLD CULTED LQ WAS THE BETTER KILL
I JUST KNEW GREY HAD TO BE NKED EVENTUALLY

What? Why was I the better kill? TBH I think I have only been NK N1 like once? Twice?

[LicketyQuickety]

btw I TOLD CULTED LQ WAS THE BETTER KILL
I JUST KNEW GREY HAD TO BE NKED EVENTUALLY

What? Why was I the better kill? TBH I think I have only been NK N1 like once? Twice?

Because you were the target for the cop check.

Kill the cop clear, neutralizes the cop.

I forgot if you said you were going to investigate me. Still, Scum isn't too smart for actually believing your claim. I mean I even laid it all out that you pretty much had to be Scum or VT..