Open 666 - Pick Your Poison - Day 5

[rb]

I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?

Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.

To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit.

I'm not sure how you got that from my answer. If anything, it puts you in a bad light.

How does it do that?

It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.

^Are you buying this?

uzi is being nice but i think if u read his posts as, "that question was fucking stupid" it becomes more clear his meaning

[rb]

ive played a fair few games with uzi where he was town and hes always rly awkward and says stuff in a weird way, so im wary of overreacting to anything because hes been lynchbait a few times

[Zyf]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

what the FUCK dude
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you could

possibly

be scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)

[Zyf]

Yeah Zyf you're probably town.
Let's vote here instead.
VOTE: Superhans

I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....

Y is zyf probably town?

VOTE: Superhans
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things

are you an alt or are you actually new to this?

Zyf how is me voting you buddying Alisae? Your attack on Alisae is my biggest scum read on you, and I don't know exactly what I've done that you find weird.
What reactions

did

you get from Alisae? (convenient that 'the whole thing was a poke'). In answer to whether I am an alt or not, I don't think I have any obligation to tell you and I don't see how its really that relevant.

@rb
I interpreted your post in 125 as you town reading Zyf.

LOOOL
Ok. So.
I already SAID all this, so if you could please READ in a more unbiased way instead of skimming all of my goddamn posts. I hate when people do that.
1) Voting me like that was scummy and buddying because you gave absolutely no reason to do so––you not only support alisae for the precise reason that I was scumreading them, but you then vote me with no justification other than "oh a wagon". Your reasoning came just now. Like fkin 4 pages later. If you can get this point through into your head, because I've said it like 3 times now, that would be great. Geez.
2) YOU STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY IT'S WEIRD. I clearly explained that the entire thing was a poke because we didn't have much information to work with. You have called it scummy for being weak reasoning.
Well no SHIT it's weak reasoning, I'm working with a page's worth of information. You accusing it of being scummy is incredibly oversensitive and your expectations are unreasonable if you actually think I can come up with a solid push off RVS shit. Like, c'mon.
3) I already said

this, too,

but I got information about alisae and in particular you, which is why you're scum rn. To be more specific (because apparently all the info needs to be in a post that fucking concerns you <<<<Scummy due to confidence), Alisae reacted unusually spikily and came up with an unusually aggressive defense. Them dropping the vote on me immediately following my support by others is also a bit concerning, though more understandable. YOU, however, immediately responded by trying to defend them, which is already odd. You then proceed to actually join them on their wagon for either horrendous or fking non-existent reasons (I

really should

not

have to be doing hypotheticals on your reasoning at this point, because you're being aggressive as fk for someone with no back-up information), which is worse than poor reasons. Because you're not even really owning up to it. You can call it gut later. Which is bullshit because it's clearly not gut, I just don't know what it is. On top of that, you're not trying to build a case on me or anything. You're just doubting people for thinking I'm town. You're not trying, you're just acting like you're trying.

And then you pull out the "I don't get what's happening so go easy on me" card.
4)^that. That's why I want to know if you're an alt. If you're actually new to this game I'm less likely to call your actions scummy and consider them actions just because you're new and you don't actually don't have a strong grasp of what's happening rn. As it stands, you

are

an alt because that was awfully defensive of you rather than a small deflection, so you're scum.

[Zyf]

@Lil Uzi
What are your reads on Zyf, what are your reads on Alisae.

@You goddamnit

What is your read on me and WhY?

[Zyf]

gamma and superhans explain please

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?

You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.

You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.

I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more

[Zyf]

Consider my recent posts an official scum case. It's repetitive but there's still reasoning behind it

Spoiler: .-.

Yeah Zyf you're probably town.
Let's vote here instead.
VOTE: Superhans

I can support this
I don't particularly like you backing off just because you're not getting support, and if hans flips scum you're still quite a possible partner, buuuuut....

Y is zyf probably town?

VOTE: Superhans
What kind of reasoning is this?
the only reason you got on my wagon is because it could be a wagon
but when the wagon ends apparently you had a reason to think I was scum?
Why was I scum in the first place? For poor reasoning?
I didn't have much to work with to begin with. That whole thing was a poke to get reactions from alisae and others
and you did some weiiiiiiird things

are you an alt or are you actually new to this?

Zyf how is me voting you buddying Alisae? Your attack on Alisae is my biggest scum read on you, and I don't know exactly what I've done that you find weird.
What reactions

did

you get from Alisae? (convenient that 'the whole thing was a poke'). In answer to whether I am an alt or not, I don't think I have any obligation to tell you and I don't see how its really that relevant.

@rb
I interpreted your post in 125 as you town reading Zyf.

LOOOL
Ok. So.
I already SAID all this, so if you could please READ in a more unbiased way instead of skimming all of my goddamn posts. I hate when people do that.
1) Voting me like that was scummy and buddying because you gave absolutely no reason to do so––you not only support alisae for the precise reason that I was scumreading them, but you then vote me with no justification other than "oh a wagon". Your reasoning came just now. Like fkin 4 pages later. If you can get this point through into your head, because I've said it like 3 times now, that would be great. Geez.
2) YOU STILL HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY IT'S WEIRD. I clearly explained that the entire thing was a poke because we didn't have much information to work with. You have called it scummy for being weak reasoning.
Well no SHIT it's weak reasoning, I'm working with a page's worth of information. You accusing it of being scummy is incredibly oversensitive and your expectations are unreasonable if you actually think I can come up with a solid push off RVS shit. Like, c'mon.
3) I already said

this, too,

but I got information about alisae and in particular you, which is why you're scum rn. To be more specific (because apparently all the info needs to be in a post that fucking concerns you <<<<Scummy due to confidence), Alisae reacted unusually spikily and came up with an unusually aggressive defense. Them dropping the vote on me immediately following my support by others is also a bit concerning, though more understandable. YOU, however, immediately responded by trying to defend them, which is already odd. You then proceed to actually join them on their wagon for either horrendous or fking non-existent reasons (I

really should

not

have to be doing hypotheticals on your reasoning at this point, because you're being aggressive as fk for someone with no back-up information), which is worse than poor reasons. Because you're not even really owning up to it. You can call it gut later. Which is bullshit because it's clearly not gut, I just don't know what it is. On top of that, you're not trying to build a case on me or anything. You're just doubting people for thinking I'm town. You're not trying, you're just acting like you're trying.

And then you pull out the "I don't get what's happening so go easy on me" card.
4)^that. That's why I want to know if you're an alt. If you're actually new to this game I'm less likely to call your actions scummy and consider them actions just because you're new and you don't actually don't have a strong grasp of what's happening rn. As it stands, you

are

an alt because that was awfully defensive of you rather than a small deflection, so you're scum.

gamma and superhans explain please

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?

You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.

You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.

I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more

[Zyf]

if I need to explain it more explicitly, ^^^^^^^^^^everyone vote here^^^^^^^^^^
Uzi can come later, he hasn't done nearly as much as hans and as someone who's played with him before I'm hesitant to read his play as scummy.

@Gamma-Do you agree with me on uzi's play now vs in the other game, or is it just me?

[rb]

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

[Desperado]

UNVOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: Superhans

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

what the FUCK dude
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you could

possibly

be scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)

K I'm going to make my rationale clearer for you.

When I voted you in 70 it was because I felt that you had made attacks on Alisae that weren't pro-town. Post 23 made no sense. In post 55 you say that you don't trust Alisae, based on what exactly? The fact she voted you?

Post 69 is what galvanised me into voting for you, specifically the bit I'm going to bold:

Lmao it's my "birthday"
It's not but w/e
Regardless that's not really relevant and it'd be much more inclined to trust you if your friendly question were accompanied by a more useful question or comment.
Aside from that, the fact that your initial post was to acknowledge uzi but you voted me instead is a bit odd
I'm not going to get into the pedantic argument about "person who starts wagon is scum" but it

is

a possibility
As such, I'll ignore the gamma bait for now.
I don't get what your problem is btw gamma, because we were on the SAME side e.e
smh
VOTE: alisae

In RVS? Why are you trying to get conversation going so quickly when we're only in a page in. Why do you want out of RVS so fast?

Why do you want RVS to last so long?
Everyone should have the most freedom of time now, and besides, RVS doesn't do jack squat.
Why are you trying to extend RVS?
There is extremely little benefit of RVS relative to once the real voting starts, and there's detriment in the form of false friendship.
I don't trust you.

Who said I want it to last long. I want it to be as natural as it can possibly be and I don't like how you're forcing us out of RVS.
RVS does tons of things, one being testing reactions. Like for example you're acting very fucking poorly to my attempt at an RQS, and you are reacting poorly when I hopped on your wagon.
RVS last usually from 2-3 pages till like 5 pages.

there is no such thing as a "natural" end to RVS. It ends when someone decides to end it. Obviously, you want to extend it, because rather than saying "let's get a wagon going" you just kinda vote me. Which gives me minor scum vibes, regardless of whether or not it's directed at me.
Screw RQS. It's never been useful and I can't see it being useful in the foreseeable future. Not if it's random like that.

You say I react poorly to your vote on me, but it has nothing to do with me.

It has everything to do with you nonchalantly trying to start a wagon without owning up to it.

What do you mean Alisae needs to own up to it? Own up to what? This push on Alisae seems to me (surprised that no one else shares my opinion) of an attempt to smear Alisae early game.

You say that you don't trust Alisae, but then as soon as opportunity presents itself you follow her vote onto me, for what I assume is just the fact I voted you.

[Superhans]

gamma and superhans explain please

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

Hey look, someone else even asked you. Why the hell aren't you doing it?

You mean what you're doing? Scumreading via bullshit/soft/non-existent reasoning?
Also I'd like to note that you are now giving reasoning for someone else as scum that's way more concrete than what you've given for me, yet continue to ignore making a case against me BUT continuing to vote me.

You're also LITERALLY CLONING desperado. All that has already been implicitly or explicitly said, we get that those posts are supposed to be scummy. I just don't really see it b/c that's how I felt Uzi was last time I played with him but apparently that was his town play.
But the fact that you're copying someone else when they LITERALLY JUST POSTED IT is scummy.

I'd also like to note that your aggresion ramped way the fk up after I voted you, starting with a desperate search for someone to defend you as town or support you against me. Which is also concerningly scummy.
That couldn't have been more of a "townread me! townread me!" attitude if you tried as hard as you could
VOTE: Superhans definitely not a poke vote any more

Give me some fucking time, repeating the question doesn't mean I'm avoiding it! Also saying that I'm aggressive, or that I'm a noob, or that I'm now shadowing desperado (complete bs btw, I was answering his question, he literally asks me what I think about his analysis).

Saying that i'm a noob, or that i'm being aggressive (this is my playstyle btw, look at my other games) is not productive. You're devolving this into a shit slanging match.

[Superhans]

you're trying to choke me on content before I have a chance to respond.

Also my vote early game wasn't exactly me trying to push you into being lynched it was just (at the time) a response to #69.

[Superhans]

I like the cut of Zyf's jib and I dislike the cut of these RVS votes by Gamma/Superhans.

VOTE: Superhans

My vote wasn't random.

[Superhans]

@Zyf is this 'cloning desperado'?

I didn't keep tally but I'd say >50% of the game still responded tho. Why aren't you doing anything with the information that you did get?

Probably because the information he received won't help in regards to determining ones alignment.

To be fair, I dunno why he would answer it for me. Comes off as trying to whiteknight or buddy me or some shit.

I'm not sure how you got that from my answer. If anything, it puts you in a bad light.

How does it do that?

It puts him a bad light because it implies he's just asking questions to look busy.

^Are you buying this?

Definitely sketchy posts, I would disagree that 74 is necessarily scummy, your question to Alisae wasn't exactly difficult.

92 <- This is calculating play; Uzi is scum reading Alisae without actually committing himself to saying so.
95 <- Again Uzi is scum reading without actually scum reading.

[Superhans]

Do you genuinely believe that Alisae is trying to set up a wagon?

that's precisely the problem
I don't know
and that's part of the reason they're scummy to me

I don't think Alisae was setting up a wagon, and I thought that accusing her of doing so was a bit strange.

You also discrredit alisae in post 55 for a really benign reason - for wanting to end RVS quickly which is a good thing imho.

what the FUCK dude
1) alisae's a he buddy
2) Why are you scumreading me? Like you have yet to give a reason to scumread me and the only reason you voted me is that I said alisae was creating a wagon without owning up to it. Which is what they did. Their RVS vote stacked with Gamma's. But they CLEARLY didn't want to end RVS/RQS, because first of all, they didn't say anything like "let's get a wagon going", and second of all, not even a page later they tried to initiate RQS.
3) The only reason you could

possibly

be scumreading me is because "my reasoning makes no sense". But that's even more poor reasoning than mine, because not knowing the answers isn't a scumtell. If being stupid were a scumtell you'd be fking scum because you don't even have a grasp of what was happening and are twisting events so that you can now LATER ON justify your random-ass vote as a justified one.
4) Me. I ended RVS. Not alisae. RQS and RVS are pretty much the same thing, so don't try and pull that on me.
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5)@other people-Is spreading information over multiple posts considered a scumtell? I know that it's supposed to be scummy if they're claiming, but wouldn't it apply to other things? Like justification for a vote way later? (It still hasn't come)

@Zyf
Could you have made this point without calling me stupid?
Also point 5) is pedantic af.

You say my scumcusation on you is desperate (can you elaborate upon this) but you're not exaclty in a position to talk. Your scum reads on Alisae seem forced, and your scum reads on me seem opportunistic.

[Zyf]

SLOW THE FUCK DOWN
That might be L2

[Zyf]

1) you still haven't explained your scumread on me and instead continually call my points "weak" simply because you can't get past the fact that I'm treating you as stupid
(because you have all the time in the world to justify other things but can't justify your own goddamn vote)
2) holy fuck I already explained that the Alisae read was initially forced to get us out of RVS this is the 4th time now
3) point 5 really isn't pedantic. IMO people spreading points around over time means that they didn't have a solid idea to begin with and just wanted to look like they were fitting in--this is the reason I think you're being desperate. You start "helping," but you haven't really added anything.
4) Yes that is cloning because he was clearly asking for VOTE support, not for you to repeat what he already said, agree, and then not vote on it.

UNVOTE:

[Zyf]

OK WHOA WHAT THE FUCK
VOTE: Desperado

you need to fucking CALL L-1 when you put someone on it, goddamn

[Zyf]

UNVOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: Superhans

^^^^^^extremely suss rn
didn't ask for a claim, didn't call L-1, didn't make a comment
just kinda slipped in and put hans at L-1

[Superhans]

thanks for looking out for me

[Zyf]

thanks for looking out for me

thoroughly concerned because desperado vote was half bait and you're awfully swingy based on whether or not I'm pushing you

but there are more concerning things to take care of rn, so if you could kindly please vote desperado because i need some answers

[Superhans]

@Zyf
In all honesty my vote on you wasn't founded with 100% certainty, it was like page 3, and my rationale is in 160. It looks incredibly weak rn because the game has progressed by a large extent, and my vote has had none of the effects that I wanted it to have. (although it certainly has helped shape my opinion on other players, so will be useful for future reads if i can survive d1).

[Superhans]

thanks for looking out for me

thoroughly concerned because desperado vote was half bait and you're awfully swingy based on whether or not I'm pushing you

but there are more concerning things to take care of rn, so if you could kindly please vote desperado because i need some answers

I'm trying not to be so aggressive :l

[Superhans]

@Desperado, why did you make a naked vote?
Even if all the reasoning has been made beforehand, you still need to explain what exactly inspires you to vote me.